[00:00] <Mamarok> kub1: look at the main server then: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/main/
[00:00] <kaddi> is monodevelop the default package to use mono on ubuntu?
[00:01] <aaron> is putting the pcm.!defualt line in the asound.conf file the same as moving the sound card pulse up to the top of the list in the system settings under multimedia in kde?
[00:01] <Mamarok> kaddi: no idea, KDE doesn't use mono
[00:02] <aaron> what about clt.!default?
[00:02] <Mamarok> aaron: the default in KDE is to not use pulseaudio :)
[00:02] <aaron> im trying to setup pulseaudio and im lost on that
[00:02] <kaddi> Mamarok I know, but I want to run a .NET application which I think can only be done using mono, no?
[00:02] <Mamarok> aaron: use the phonon-xine-backend and avoid pulseaudio, KDE doesn't need it
[00:03] <aaron> my problem is i have a usb headset with mic
[00:03] <aaron> and i cant make it work with wine vent
[00:03] <Mamarok> it tends to cause more problems than anything else, and alsa is very well able to handle sound
[00:03] <aaron> i can either get sound from the main speakers, or sound from the headphones but not both
[00:04] <Mamarok> aaron: that depends on your sound card, I don't think pulse will solve anything there
[00:04] <aaron> i was told to use pulse, and recompile wine with pulse backend
[00:04] <aaron> then you can move the audo to a certain source manually?
[00:04] <aaron> audio
[00:04] <Mamarok> aaron: that would be in kmix then
[00:04] <aaron> i installed pulse and it does have the feature to link sound cards and such and its what im looking for
[00:05] <Mamarok> aaron: make sure you have all the necessary channels activated there
[00:05] <Dragnslcr> kaddi- monodevelop is an IDE. You don't need it to run .Net programs through Mono
[00:05] <Mamarok> aaron: well, I can't help you with pulse and believe me, you are better off without
[00:05] <aaron> i guess if i dont figure it out i can remove it, you just recoment phonon?
[00:05] <kaddi> Dragnslcr so what do I need to install to have normal basic mono? I did a seach with apt, but didn't really see a package that would install it
[00:06] <aaron> the problem is, in wine vent, you only can choose direct sound, and it never picks the headphones
[00:06] <Mamarok> kaddi: well, just install the application, that's it, if it is in the repositories it will get the dependencies right anyway
[00:06] <aaron> i figured pulse would help
[00:07] <Mamarok> aaron: I can even help less with wine, I don't use it at all
[00:07] <Mamarok> sorry
[00:07] <aaron> the only way i semi made it work was make the usb sound 0 in the devices and reboot
[00:07] <aaron> i guess if i cant figure it out, ill uninstall and try something else :)
[00:07] <Mamarok> aaron: maybe you get more help in wine?
[00:07] <Mamarok> #wine IIRC
[00:08] <aaron> ill check it out
[00:08] <kaddi> Mamarok yes but when I search for mono I get monodevelop, monodoc and ilContrast nothing else, so I am looking for the package which will install mono
[00:08] <aaron> thanks for your help
[00:08] <kaddi> it's #winehq iirc
[00:08] <Mamarok> kaddi: why do you need to install mono in the first place?
[00:08] <kaddi> Mamarok I know, but I want to run a .NET application which I think can only be done using mono, no?
[00:08] <Mamarok> a binary is a binary, it should be compiled with the necessary dependencies by default
[00:09] <kaddi> it's a windows binary
[00:09] <Dragnslcr> !info mono-2.0-runtime | kaddi
[00:09] <Dragnslcr> Your search-fu is weak
[00:10]  * Mamarok needs sleep
[00:10] <Mamarok> good night everyone
[00:11] <kaddi> I found it with google, thanks anyway
[00:19] <seanj> Hello. Tried to load my music from /host into amarok but nothing happened. Then amarok asked me to install plugins, but I still can't get my music to load. I tried the help section but it says index.html could not be found.
[00:19] <milo_> please hw do i dwnld videos from dailymotion? clive isn't doing it
[00:22] <seanj> Anyone?
[00:23] <seanj> Hm, some support channel/.
[00:24] <big---ben> hey guys. i want to add another user to my kubuntu, who *DOESN'T* have anny access to /media/backup (hard drive partition). chmod ben:ben /media/backup and chmod 700 /media/backup?
[00:25] <milo_> please hw do i dwnld videos from dailymotion? clive isn't doing it
[00:25] <seanj> Get better support from Microsoft, which is sad. Bye.
[00:28] <jhutchins> Is there a color printer that will print CD's (directly) that works well with linux?
[00:30] <ubuntu> hola
[01:20] <reya276> Hoe can I play .SWF files
[01:20] <avihayb> reya276: you mean without a browser?
[01:20] <reya276> yes
[01:20] <avihayb> yes
[01:21] <avihayb> there are two opensource projects with high compatability, or the macromedia/adobe original
[01:21] <reya276> ok so what can I use to play the file
[01:22] <reya276> usually Totem on Gnome would allow you to or is it .FLV files
[01:22] <avihayb> I prefer the macromedia original, because I had display driver problems that slowed my rendering, and the original was the only one to sinc them properly
[01:22] <reya276> no I think is .FLV files
[01:22] <avihayb> !gnash
[01:22] <reya276> yes but how do you install the original
[01:23] <avihayb> !swfdec
[01:24] <avihayb> well it's on adobe's site, but its called flash player projector offline debugger, I'll find you a link
[01:24] <reya276> ok thanks
[01:25] <avihayb> http://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html
[01:25] <avihayb> look for Linux Debugger and Standalone Players for Flash Developers
[01:29] <reya276> avihayb: ok thanks
[01:33] <zuz_> how can i uninstall opera in kubuntu?
[01:33] <zuz_> flash isnt working, im going to try a different version
[01:33] <avihayb> zuz_ can't you uninstall opera with the package manager?
[01:39] <zuz_> no i cant uninstall it from KPackageKit or Adept
[01:41] <zuz_> actually i just did nm
[01:45] <avihayb> :->
[01:45] <zuz_> :)
[01:45] <zuz_> now i need to find a way to get moonlight, i thought i had, is there a way to see if i have it?
[01:45] <zuz_> see, im trying to play netflix movies here
[01:52] <zuz_> anyone know how to get opera (shared) for kubuntu?
[01:53] <tsimpson> !opera
[01:59] <zuz_> tsimpson: will that work in Kubuntu without having QT installed?
[02:00] <zuz_> I wanted to see if i could get a shared version to see if i flash works
[02:00] <tsimpson> if you have Kubuntu or KDE, you have Qt
[02:00] <tsimpson> KDE is built-upon Qt
[02:06] <zuz_> oh
[02:07] <zuz_> i cant find a way to get opera
[02:07] <zuz_> :(
[02:07] <zuz_> i must be doing something wrong
[02:08] <zuz_> i got it from their site and had it installed
[02:08] <zuz_> but then i saw that the static version wouldnt play flash
[02:08] <tsimpson> do you want the stable, beta or snapshot version?
[02:08] <zuz_> stable that plays flash  :)
[02:09] <tsimpson> add "deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ lenny non-free" to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:09] <tsimpson> or add it via the GUI
[02:11] <zuz_> im using kubuntu 9.04 btw
[02:11] <zuz_> the lenny non-free works there?
[02:11] <tsimpson> yes, it's what I use here
[02:12] <zuz_> the lenny non-free works there??
[02:12] <zuz_> ooops type it wrong
[02:13] <zuz_> once i add that up, then what should i type?
[02:13] <tsimpson> you can just install the "opera" package like any other
[02:13] <zuz_> its not showing in adept
[02:13] <zuz_> let me check kpackagekit
[02:14] <tsimpson> make sure to update the package list
[02:15] <el_> What tool would I use to benchmark my RAM-performance?
[02:15] <zuz_> of course.... its case sensitive even in the search box
[02:15] <zuz_> duh me
[02:16] <zuz_> thanks
[02:16] <tsimpson> el_: best way is to boot into memtest86+ from grub
[02:17] <tsimpson> zuz_: no problem
[02:24] <zuz_> yeah flash still wont work
[02:45] <annunakhi> hello ?
[02:45] <Daskreech> !hi | annunakhi
[02:49] <Alecc> how to download drivers for kubuntu 8.04
[02:50] <annunakhi> Ok - My name is Vladimir, 22 yo. Corporal in US Army - right now in Iraq - I do C++ ad .NET - this is new to me but I am pretty quick to catch-up. COuld yo pls explain me what is the purpose of this function ?
[02:50] <zuz_> !drivers
[02:50] <Daskreech> annunakhi: Function of what?
[02:51] <Daskreech> This room?
[02:51] <zuz_> Alecc are there any drivers to be installed in your System/hardware drivers?
[02:51] <Daskreech> Alecc: Drivers for what?
[02:51] <zuz_> !hi Daskreech
[02:51] <zuz_> lol
[02:51] <zuz_> !hi | Daskreech
[02:51] <Daskreech> !hi | zuz_
[02:51] <Daskreech> ;-)
[02:51] <Alecc> sound drivers
[02:51] <Daskreech> Alecc: I'm guessing for a Sound blaster ?
[02:52] <annunakhi> Quassel IRC - is this some sort o lets share experiences chat ?
[02:52] <Alecc> how about for AcerPower 4100 sound Driver?
[02:52] <Daskreech> annunakhi: IRC in general is for discussion of some sort This room is for support of Kubuntu
[02:53] <Daskreech> annunakhi: type /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[02:53] <Daskreech> Alecc: can you pastebin the output of sudo lshw -C audio ?
[02:53] <annunakhi> I see... So... All my questions and problems could be basically solved with peer-to-pee if I have to... Genious.. Not bad for opensource
[02:54] <Daskreech> annunakhi: Or the community :)
[02:54] <Alecc> how can i do that? where will i go?
[02:55] <Daskreech> !sound | Alecc Also you can read this
[02:55] <Daskreech> !paste | Alecc For the pastebin
[02:55] <Daskreech> Alecc: Ah sorry you need somemore help? :) New to LInux?
[02:57] <annunakhi> I could imagine... It took me 2 weeks to actually figure out most of what I needed in Linux, my major problem is softare  atm. I need a good picture editor like photoshop - and i need to figure out what is happening to my software updates because I keep installing them but they dpo not appear in my programs sections... Im puzzled... Also would be great to know ytf  my spash screens are not working - and why is the Moodle plugin nowhere to be found in li
[02:57] <annunakhi>  soft
[02:58] <Daskreech> annunakhi: Not all your questions. How to get the perfect cheesecake using margarine instead of butter might have some problems being solved
[02:58] <Daskreech> Though I'm sure I could find a room that would do it
[02:58] <Daskreech> !info krecipe
[02:58] <Daskreech> awww
[02:58] <Daskreech> annunakhi: try Gimp
[02:59] <annunakhi> HAHA ))) Well  - I will restrain from those then... Em.. WHat rounds does a m4 rifle take again ? .. Wait.. thats a wrong question too aint it )))
[02:59] <annunakhi> Gimp - is soft ?  Mkay ... Gona try... ANy idea why soft I insrall aint showing up - is this an extention issue or something ?
[03:00] <Daskreech> What software did you install?
[03:02] <zuz_> Daskreech: do you have any games to recommend?  something to pass the time...
[03:03] <Daskreech> zuz_: 0_0
[03:03] <annunakhi> 1 sec  primary im concearned bout 1) imagemagick / 2) Karbon / thats 2 to start with - rest of stuff - needs a plugin called Moode - cait find it anywhere
[03:03] <Daskreech> annunakhi: You want krita not karbon.
[03:03] <annunakhi> ZUZ_ - A good game to play here is WARZONE 2100 - Get to lvl 3 - then its gettign Real fun )
[03:04] <Daskreech> Karbon is a vector graphics app not a photo/bitmap manipulator like Photoshop
[03:04] <Daskreech> annunakhi: But Krita is in a state of flux now. Gimp is a good choice
[03:05] <annunakhi> Lrita. Ok. Right., ok. THis is helping. Im stuck iin a midle f desert with slow internet and noone who knows a damn about linux. im glad I got u here to help ) lol. So well. SUp wit  Krita ?
[03:05] <Daskreech> annunakhi: It's still in transistion between KDE3 and KDE4 so It's interesting but not quite ... nice
[03:05] <zuz_> gimp is near photoshop
[03:06] <zuz_> pretty good picture editing program
[03:06] <Daskreech> If you really want to get some work done then Gimp is where you want to be right now
[03:06] <Daskreech> !info gimp
[03:06] <Daskreech> zuz_: What games do you like? Will solitare suffice?
[03:06] <annunakhi> Gimpok.my software applicaton - doesnt see anything about Gimp..... IS that a full name - its easier for me to install shit with a prompt... Kinda used to it already - prompt dotnt really fuck up and do mistakes. Lol
[03:08] <zuz_> Daskreech, solitaire is too basic, wanted some kind of action, preferably online, Ive been trying to install planeshift but i dont even think this laptop supports it due to a low grade graphics card
[03:08] <Daskreech> zuz_: Battlezone is good
[03:08] <zuz_> free?
[03:08] <Daskreech> FPS are there
[03:08] <zuz_> yeah i play Counter strike very often
[03:08] <Daskreech> zuz_: In fact let me blow your head open a little http://happypenguin.org
[03:09] <Daskreech> Nexuiz tremulos warzone as annunakhi points out
[03:10] <zuz_> cool lots of choices
[03:11] <annunakhi> Alrightyt - Ubbot - Dask - TY. Gimp loading.
[03:12] <indystorm> ok! So I have just installed kubuntu! now what? :)
[03:12] <Daskreech> annunakhi: :-D
[03:12] <Daskreech> indystorm: Parttttyyyyy!!!!
[03:12] <annunakhi> Now... ANy ideas about dag on Moode thing ? THats something to do with splashes acting stupid and not really loading.... U kow lots opf stuff do that... I take it... Its because my dumb ass decided to get  THIS distribution and in THOIS particular time of transition )) HA )
[03:12] <Daskreech> then start getting other stuff installed
[03:13] <BlueFaceMonster> Can anyone remind me what the default KDE package manager is in 4.2? I've 'accidently' removed it, reinstalledc 'kpackage' and it turns out that's not what I was after!
[03:13] <annunakhi> Im sticking to it tho. I a programer I can figure this out
[03:13] <Daskreech> annunakhi: What's moode?
[03:13] <annunakhi> Supposed to be an Engine for a kind of Splashes for load-up
[03:14] <Daskreech> Hmm I don't know it then
[03:14] <annunakhi> Moodin
[03:14] <annunakhi> My bad
[03:14] <Daskreech> !info moodin
[03:15] <Daskreech> annunakhi: Ah Umm Well looks like that doesn't work with KDE4 anymore
[03:15] <Daskreech> Gimmie a moment let me try and find out
[03:15] <zuz_> Indystorm: play around kubuntu, find your way around the programs, im sure you will want to install firefox and the extra addons, java, flash etc
[03:16] <annunakhi> I take it it is same problem with the rest of stuff I am installing..... Hm.............
[03:17] <annunakhi> Its odd  cuz its same problem im getting with KDE-feel or.. KDE-look .... whichever . org... And it IS supposed to be KDE...\
[03:18] <Daskreech> annunakhi: Ok yes it's KDE3 which was rewritten :)
[03:18] <annunakhi> Well. kk. Dusk. Im loading you in my "good list"... lol GOt to tyake a nap - i have to go on guard here in 3.wel.. be there... in 3...well no.. now in 2 hours and 40 mins... Ha. But I justcouldnt stand a thought of not trying out what this function oes.. Cuz it has been bugging me for a while now...
[03:19] <annunakhi> Great )) Now how do I get that junk to WORK ))) Lol )) IS there a pluging ))
[03:19] <annunakhi> Its a joke
[03:19] <annunakhi> Im making fun of opensource )
[03:19] <annunakhi> ))))))))))))
[03:19] <Daskreech> :-)
[03:19] <annunakhi> I love it tho i aint gona lie )
[03:19] <Daskreech> there is acutally
[03:19] <Daskreech> so laugh all you want :)
[03:19] <annunakhi> oh wow
[03:20] <Daskreech> Hope to see you around
[03:20] <annunakhi> THis is BEYOND humor now
[03:20] <annunakhi> its
[03:20] <annunakhi> SARCASM
[03:20] <annunakhi> =))
[03:20] <annunakhi> Oh you will - I need someone who can help me get this thing together :-P ... ) hagn
[03:21] <annunakhi> .. lets see... hm...
[03:21] <annunakhi>  quit ?
[03:22] <Daskreech> Good move :)
[04:03] <Guest63486> hows everyone doing tonight
[04:03] <zuz_> getting full of frosted flakes
[04:03] <Guest63486> who could argue with that
[04:04] <zuz_> with MILK!   @ #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:04] <Guest63486> hey, hey... even better!
[04:06] <Guest63486> anyone else enjoying the new kubuntu? i think it looks alot better then the outgoing one
[04:07] <zuz_> KDE 4.3?
[04:07] <Guest63486> yeah
[04:08] <zuz_> i think i feel a little performance improvement, but again, it can just be my head since i read it before i installed it
[04:08] <zuz_> i like it
[04:09] <zuz_> I wanted to know if there is a noticeable performance difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[04:09] <hackerx> feels like it
[04:09] <zuz_> what feels like it?
[04:10] <zuz_> which one has better performance?
[04:10] <Guest63486> i think kubuntu
[04:10] <hackerx> seems kubuntu is a bit faster
[04:10] <zuz_> have you tried both?
[04:10] <hackerx> ya
[04:10] <Guest63486> ubuntu seems to be more of memory hog
[04:10] <zuz_> i hate that
[04:11] <hackerx> agree
[04:11] <zuz_> I wanted to test BackTrack but im not linux ready for it yet  :)
[04:11] <Jonty> is there an alternative to the network-manager plasma applet that doesn't freeze plasma every time I lose a connection?
[04:12] <zuz_> but I saved a partition for it once i get to know linux better
[04:14] <zuz_> only thing i envy about ubuntu is their channel  :)
[04:14] <zuz_> its non-stop
[04:14] <Guest63486> haha
[04:14] <Guest63486> this could be
[04:14] <Guest63486> we just need to get some talkative people in here
[04:15] <zuz_> Daskreech is one of the few that regularly helps people here
[04:15] <Daskreech> And I'm going home :)
[04:15] <Guest63486> im new here myself
[04:15] <Daskreech> Welcome to Kubuntu
[04:15] <Guest63486> been a windows perso for years made the switch few weeks back
[04:15] <zuz_> what do you mean going home?
[04:16] <Guest63486> not missing xp
[04:16] <Daskreech> I mean I'm going home
[04:16] <Daskreech> :-)
[04:16] <Guest63486> you at work?
[04:16] <zuz_> where are you at now?
[04:16] <Daskreech> sson see you all
[04:16] <zuz_> later bud
[04:16] <Guest63486> audios daskreech
[04:17] <Guest63486> anyone watch cris parillo?
[04:17] <Guest63486> or however you spell his last name
[04:17] <Guest63486> chris*
[04:18] <zuz_> but i also got into kubuntu about 5 weeks ago
[04:18] <ravimaddula> can any one help me how to configure my blooth as a wireless acesspoint  for mobile users
[04:18] <Guest63486> nice.. what did you switch from?
[04:18] <zuz_> brb
[04:19] <zuz_> actually i gtg to the woman, hope to see you again here
[04:19] <Guest18743> see you later zuz
[04:20] <zuz_> I got 4 computers in this room, this laptop was given to me cuz of a bad HD, which never failed again lol
[04:20] <zuz_> and i was playing with kubuntu live cd
[04:20] <zuz_> but i got a beautiful woman calling me hehe later all
[04:20] <ravimaddula> hi plse respond me
[04:22] <ravimaddula> how to configure my bluetooth as an acessspoint for mobile cell phones
[04:22] <ravimaddula> any body
[04:22] <ravimaddula> to share internet connection
[04:25] <zuz_> ravimaddula: if you dont have a response here, try #ubuntu  sometimes people here are idle but they are very active, just remember to let them know you got Kubuntu
[05:07] <administrator__h> hi
[05:14] <DaskreeCH> zuz_: hi
[05:30] <matt__> yo
[05:35] <jslusher> I'm new to kde on ubuntu. I just created a user and I'm trying to Click on System > Administration > Network. It starts and then dies. I'm guessing it's a permissions thing, but I don't know how to fix it.
[05:59] <Voltaire> Hey guys I got a dolphin question
[06:00] <Voltaire> oh wait maybe I don't
[06:04] <Voltaire> ok I do
[06:04] <Jason1986> hows it going in this room tonight?
[06:04] <Voltaire> seems dead
[06:04] <Jason1986> dead huh.. thats pretty sad
[06:04] <Voltaire> yeah
[06:05] <Jason1986> could be worse
[06:05] <Voltaire> could be dead dead completely daed
[06:05] <Jason1986> i rest my case
[06:06] <Voltaire> possibly another person maybe?
[06:06] <Jason1986> anything is possible
[06:07] <Voltaire> ahh yes but doubtful
[06:07] <Jason1986> ill have to side with you on that
[06:08] <Voltaire> ah well
[06:08] <Jason1986> so voltaire what are you up to?
[06:10] <Voltaire> ohhh, not to much, trying to doliphin to mount a sftp shared folder
[06:10] <Jason1986> now that sounds promiseing
[06:11] <Voltaire> There is probably a really easy way to do it but I can't seem to figure it out
[06:11] <Jason1986> your guess is as good as mine, ive only been in kubuntu for a week or so
[06:12] <Voltaire> haha, yeah honestly I'm just using ubuntu, but doliphin is kde soo
[06:13] <Jason1986> well that works too
[06:14] <Voltaire> but long story short using a vnc connection from my mactop to share screen on my white box fileserver to transfer files from a imac thats been gutted, had serval firewire drives changed together and hooked up the the tv. and
[06:15] <Voltaire> so what are you to jason
[06:15] <Jason1986> watching king of the hill
[06:18] <Voltaire> ahh got it, and I feel stupid
[06:20] <Voltaire> all right, well I'm going to try transfer a bunch of movies. Night Jason
[06:20] <Jason1986> night bud
[06:40] <kangle> cd /home
[06:40] <kangle> ls
[06:40] <kangle> hi
[06:40] <kangle> ??
[06:40] <StupidWeasel_> Hello kangle .
[06:41] <kangle> hi, i am login first.
[06:42] <kangle> and what is this?
[06:44] <leaf-sheep> kangle: Explain more than *just* that.
[06:46] <kangle> - -!
[07:30] <Guest68806> anyone know why any of my messengers wont connect to yahoo?
[07:47] <jado> does someone know a linux software to play piano (with the computer keyboard)?
[07:48] <EagleScreen> a virtual piano?
[07:48] <jado> EagleScreen: yes
[07:52] <DaskreeCH> I would guess there is some look for synth stuff
[08:01] <jado> I'm trying to install the source from there: http://vmpk.sourceforge.net/#Download but when i write 'cmake' i get the help of cmake i am asked a path or something
[08:13] <DaskreeCH> jado: What's vmpk ?
[08:13] <DaskreeCH> !info vmpk
[08:14] <jado> DaskreeCH: http://vmpk.sourceforge.net/ look at the top of this page
[08:14] <usnet> По русски кто нить грит?
[08:15] <maco> usnet: #ubuntu-ru
[08:15] <maco> !ru
[08:15] <usnet> ))
[08:15] <DaskreeCH> usnet: привет :-)
[08:15] <maco> O_O THAT is how they latin-ify "please"?
[08:15] <usnet> DaskreeCH дарова
[08:15] <usnet> ))
[08:16] <maco> that doesnt look like how i pronounce it...i expected more like pozhausta
[08:16] <DaskreeCH> jado: If you are in the  directorytry cmake .
[08:16] <jado> DaskreeCH: yes thanks :)
[08:17]  * DaskreeCH waves at maco
[08:18] <maco> DaskreeCH: bi pycckNN?
[08:18] <maco> oh god i need to fgure out how to type in cyrillic in kde
[08:18] <maco> i was able to do it in gnome....
[08:18] <DaskreeCH> :-)
[08:18] <DaskreeCH> Well I'm off to bed
[08:18] <DaskreeCH> night all
[08:30] <dignan> Hi, how do I change the theme in Gnome on ubuntu gutsy gibbon?
[08:31] <DaskreeCH> dignan: I would guess from the Appearance dialog but #ubuntu would know more
[08:31] <DaskreeCH> !gutsy
[08:31] <dignan> huh?
[08:31] <dignan> #ubuntu told me to ask here
[08:32] <dignan> !dapper
[08:33] <dignan> yea i just upgraded from dapper
[08:33] <dignan> hello any1 here/
[08:34] <DaskreeCH> dignan: You cannot upgrade from dapper to gutsy
[08:34] <dignan> I don't know why you'd think that
[08:34] <dignan> i just did it
[08:34] <DaskreeCH> And Ubuntu would have no reason to ask you to come here for a Gnome question
[08:34] <dignan> this is the channel for the gnome version, duh
[08:34] <DaskreeCH> dignan: Oh wait no sorry I thought you said hardy :-) Whoops
[08:34] <dignan> that's why i came here
[08:34] <dignan> oh heh
[08:34] <DaskreeCH> dignan: It is not read the topic
[08:35] <dignan> ohhhh
[08:35] <dignan> so I should ask in #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:35] <dignan> i get it i'm not on topic, sorry
[08:35] <DaskreeCH> NO You should ask in #ubuntu
[08:35] <dignan> they told me to ask here
[08:35] <dignan> this is the channel for the gnome version
[08:36] <jado> i'm currently trying vmpk (virtual midi piano keyboard) and it seems that i have a midi problem since i have no sound
[08:36] <DaskreeCH> dignan: again whoever told you that is wrong and reading the topic in both channels should clear that up
[08:37] <DaskreeCH> !midi
[08:37] <dignan> so whats the k stand for
[08:37] <dignan> in kubuntu
[08:37] <DaskreeCH> !kde
[08:37] <DaskreeCH> !gnome
[08:37] <dignan> ohhh
[08:37] <dignan> i'm not using gnome
[08:37] <dignan> i got kde
[08:38] <dignan> my mistake, sorry
[08:38] <DaskreeCH> Then stop asking for Gnome specific help :)
[08:38] <dignan> i thought it was gnome
[08:38] <DaskreeCH> Nope KDE
[08:38] <dignan> so that means i can run any windows app, right?
[08:38] <DaskreeCH> dignan: alt+F2 -> systemsettings
[08:38] <DaskreeCH> dignan: No it doesn't it means you have KDE
[08:39] <dignan> I thought kde could run windows app
[08:39] <dignan> that's why its so popular
[08:39] <dignan> ohhh
[08:40] <DaskreeCH> That would be wine
[08:40] <DaskreeCH> !wine
[08:41] <DaskreeCH> and it doesn't care if you have Gnome or KDE or anything other than X
[08:41] <dignan> sorry, i'm not native english
[08:42] <dignan> thank you for your help
[08:42] <jado> DaskreeCH: on your page i'm trying for fluidsynth but there is no linux-lowlatency package
[08:42] <DaskreeCH> dignan: That's fine. Would you like a channel for your native language?
[08:42] <dignan> just one more question: how can I get rid of the spyware?
[08:43] <dignan> yes
[08:43] <dignan> do you have a channel for hindi?
[08:43] <DaskreeCH> dignan: I'm not sure what spyware you mean
[08:43] <DaskreeCH> !hindi
[08:43] <DaskreeCH> grr
[08:43] <DaskreeCH> !in
[08:43] <FloodBotK2> DaskreeCH: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:43] <dignan> this computer is full of spyware
[08:43] <dignan> ever sinec I install kubuntu
[08:43] <DaskreeCH> dignan: In Linux?
[08:43] <dignan> yes
[08:43] <DaskreeCH> what kind of spyware?
[08:43] <dignan> like want a hot date, etc etc
[08:44] <dignan> whenever i use the internet browser
[08:44] <DaskreeCH> 0_0
[08:44] <DaskreeCH> Those are ads I think
[08:44] <dignan> also, when i click search
[08:44] <dignan> on my computer
[08:44] <DaskreeCH> ok what comes up?
[08:44] <dignan> i try to find a file and it searches the net and a page with links to sites comes up
[08:44] <dignan> all useless
[08:45] <DaskreeCH> Wow I've not heard of that before
[08:45] <DaskreeCH> dignan: type /join #ubuntu-in
[08:45] <DaskreeCH> That should get you to the indian help channel
[08:45] <dignan> join #ubuntu-in
[08:45] <DaskreeCH> the / is important
[08:47] <DaskreeCH> dignan: Or click on the word #ubuntu-in
[08:47] <dignan> विवाद ई-कैसे कर सकते मॅँ दूर करने के पर spyware लिनिक्स?
[08:47] <dignan> i have no mouse how to click
[08:47] <dignan> helpo
[08:48] <dignan> brb need to use the bathroom
[08:49] <DaskreeCH> dignan: Ok type /join #ubuntu-in
[08:49] <DaskreeCH> the /join must have the /
[08:52] <[-Haza-]> Hey folks. I need to setup some kind of SVN / CVS server on my Kubuntu. Any recommendations to a good one to use including (if possible) a GUI client to setup the CVS?
[08:56] <DaskreeCH> [-Haza-]: CVS? Really?
[08:57] <[-Haza-]> DaskreeCH: Im pretty sure. Just need to get started with it. Learn a little. Probably make my life a little easier. Im open to advice and suggestions :)
[08:58] <DaskreeCH> To make your life easier you don't use CVS :)
[08:58] <DaskreeCH> SVN at a bare minimum
[08:58] <DaskreeCH> GIt if you are working with a team
[08:58] <DaskreeCH>  Hg if you aren't
[08:59] <[-Haza-]> DaskreeCH: Okay, Ive done sudo apt-get install subversion
[08:59]  * tsimpson points to bzr
[08:59] <[-Haza-]> Can i doenload a GUI tool to help me configure subversion?
[08:59] <Zxcvb> what is the kde app to use for dialup bbs access?
[08:59] <DaskreeCH> !info kppp
[09:00] <DaskreeCH> !svn
[09:00] <tsimpson> [-Haza-]: there probably isn't a GUI, as it's an "advanced" thing to do, and so there isn't much demand for one
[09:00] <Zxcvb> ubottu: I thought that was for internet (ppp) not a bbs
[09:01] <DaskreeCH> !info kdesvn
[09:01] <[-Haza-]> tsimpson: I see. Okay. I'll do a little more research. Thanks for the help! :D
[09:01] <DaskreeCH> That's a client though
[09:01] <Zxcvb> does it support telnet over dialup (for old doors style BBSes)?
[09:01] <DaskreeCH> [-Haza-]: Setting up a SVN server is pretty well documented
[09:01] <[-Haza-]> DaskreeCH: Yeah i have that installed too
[09:02] <tsimpson> [-Haza-]: ta-da: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/serverguide/C/version-control-system.html
[09:03] <[-Haza-]> tsimpson, DaskreeCH: Thanks guys :)
[09:06] <Nampat> hi
[09:19] <annunakhi> Hello my peoples
[09:20] <Zxcvb> any idea what you would use for a dialup bbs (kppp is for dialup internet, I am looking for something like minicom)
[09:20] <annunakhi> I need help with something - who can tell me what I need to downloadinstead of Moodin - cuz it is no longer a part of KDE4....
[09:21] <llutz> Zxcvb:  why not minicom?
[09:22] <Zxcvb> llutz: it works, but I was hoping for something better
[09:22] <annunakhi> Does anyone know the answear for that one ?
[09:22] <annunakhi> Moodin was used to run the splashes...
[09:25] <annunakhi> Most splashes on KDE-look . org are using "Moodin"... - it is no longer available in KDE4 ... There is an extention to replace it - i do not know what it is - can anyone help ?
[09:27] <Guest28568> hi
[09:28] <Guest28568> can I ask for support with kde 4.3 here?
[09:28] <annunakhi> You are supposed to be able to do that....
[09:28] <annunakhi> I think everyone is alseep...
[09:28] <Guest28568> I just upgraded to 4.3... I backup up and removed my .kde directory so I started fresh.
[09:29] <Guest28568> everything is installed and appears to be working albeit VERY slowly
[09:29] <Guest28568> it takes like 1minute to launch dolphin
[09:29] <Guest28568> however I don't get any errors
[09:29] <Zxcvb> do you have a toshiba system?
[09:29] <Guest28568> nope
[09:29] <annunakhi> run CPU usage monitor
[09:29] <Guest28568> it's a desktop envionrment
[09:29] <Zxcvb> and is it slow to boot up or restore from hibernation?
[09:29] <Guest28568> dual monitor
[09:29] <Guest28568> ok, lemme check the cpu
[09:30] <Guest28568> ok, idle spu looks normal
[09:30] <Zxcvb> I had a similar problem, and fixed it by adding nohz=off, running grub-update, and rebooting
[09:30] <Guest28568> is that a kernel parameter?
[09:30] <annunakhi> ALso check if your Appearance is running crazy features, Try enabling moist of it see if it helps
[09:31] <Zxcvb> Guest28568: yes
[09:32] <Guest28568> ah, when starting dolphin from command line it does complain about nepomuk
[09:32] <Zxcvb> Guest28568: what happened was it would take 10 minutes to restore the hibernation image, but would go much faster if I held down a key
[09:32] <annunakhi> zxcvb - you don't know anything about the Moodin extention and what it is replaced with do you ?
[09:32] <Guest28568> wow, konqueror started in 52 seconds
[09:32] <Zxcvb> annunakhi: nope
[09:32] <jleeblanch_> question....  Anyone know where i would locate the file (or driver) on my laptop that Kubuntu uses to run my wireless card?
[09:32] <Guest28568> ;-)
[09:33] <Zxcvb> annunakhi: just that toshibas (like this NB205 netbook) are a pain
[09:33] <jleeblanch_> I'm trying to do a little minor research...
[09:33] <llutz> jleeblanch_:  /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
[09:33] <jleeblanch_> but i dunno exactly what i'm looking for
[09:33] <Guest28568> I'm not on a laptop so the problem Zxcvb had does not apply to me
[09:34] <Zxcvb> the problem would be slow disk access all around
[09:34] <jleeblanch_> ???
[09:34] <annunakhi> Zxcvb - do you run splashes just fine in your KDE4 ?
[09:34] <Zxcvb> not sure what you mean
[09:34] <jleeblanch_> thank you!!
[09:35] <llutz> jleeblanch_:  "lspci -vv" tells you which one is used if it it a built-in adapter
[09:36] <jleeblanch_> no, it's not a built in adapter. It's a Belkin G+ MIMO Notebook Card
[09:37] <llutz> jleeblanch_:  very likely that it will be listed too, try it
[09:37] <Guest28568> OK. non-kde apps launch very fast. My problem is only with kde applications. Disabling desktop effects does not help.
[09:37] <annunakhi> in your Appearance - SPLASHES
[09:37] <jleeblanch_> I use it in 3 different laptops that run 3 different versions of Linux
[09:38] <annunakhi> the ones you get elsewhere - require ( most of them ) Extention - MOODIN. - and they ARE a part of KDE-look.org - HOWEVER - in new KDE-4 - that EXT is replaced with something. I need to know what with
[09:38] <J-_> Is there a microblogging program that is QT that works good?
[09:38] <kresnaravi> haloo
[09:39] <kresnaravi> i love kubuntu:)
[09:41] <Guest28568> what is the kded4 process
[09:41] <annunakhi> zxcvb - Inside your appearance - splashes  -the ones you get elsewhere - require ( most of them ) Extention - MOODIN. - and they ARE a part of KDE-look.org - HOWEVER - in new KDE-4 - that EXT is replaced with something. I need to know what with
[09:41] <Guest28568> it's seems to be running away!
[09:41] <Guest28568> 60%cpu usage
[09:41] <annunakhi> WOw...AHaha
[09:41] <Zxcvb> annunakhi: not using any of that stuff, I think
[09:42] <jleeblanch_> did what you said but idk, maybe i'm not doing it right i guess. Still somewhat new at this...learning a lot fast
[09:42] <jleeblanch_> tho
[09:42] <annunakhi> ANYONE ???
[09:43] <Guest28568> is akonadi different to nepomuk?
[09:43] <J-_> I guess not. :(
[09:47] <Zxcvb> any idea if 12fps is normal for extreme tux racer on an i945 card?
[09:49] <annunakhi> ^peter^: [-Haza-]
[09:49] <theadmin> Wha? Don't flood the room
[09:50] <whobody> has the problem with the network manager or whatever been resolved?
[09:51] <whobody> on mobile broadband
[09:52] <Guest28568> what is the difference between the staging and backports repositories?
[09:52] <Guest28568> which one should I use?
[09:53] <theadmin> backports are if you have an old version. Normally you don't need them
[09:54] <Guest28568> I am installing kde4.3
[09:54] <Guest28568> it says I need backports
[09:54] <shadeslayer> Guest28568: staging repos are not the final builds
[09:54] <Guest28568> but I found another install method that mentions staging
[09:54] <theadmin> Currently running: Steam, Pidgin, Firefox, Dolphin, Amarok. Everything - slow. Why?
[09:55] <Guest28568> theadmin same... all my kde apps are slow
[09:55] <Guest28568> did you use staging?
[09:55] <shadeslayer> Guest28568: see the topic and the staging repos are not needed
[09:56] <whobody> plz
[09:56] <Guest28568> will using staging and backports have an adverse affect on my installation? could this be why it's all SLOW!?
[09:56] <whobody> :'(
[09:57] <theadmin> whobody, if someone knows, then forums...
[09:57] <Guest28568> whobody, what kind of mobile broadband?
[09:57] <Guest28568> do you mean wifi or a datacard?
[09:57] <whobody> Three Ireland, Huawei E220
[09:57] <whobody> dadacard i think
[09:57] <whobody> modem
[09:57] <Guest28568> that's a datacard and you should use a normal dialup software for it
[09:58] <usnet> Whether hello there is on ubuntu a program as Navicat? It is necessary connecting to a database... And there is nothing.
[09:58] <whobody> it worked in GNOME...
[09:58] <Guest28568> it's just an old fashioned dialup modem interface
[09:58] <Guest28568> use kppp
[09:58] <whobody> it woked in GNOME network manager
[09:58] <Guest28568> whobody, that's probably because you used to right software under gnone
[09:58] <Guest28568> gnone has dialup software in it
[09:58] <whobody> no, it worked out5 of the box
[09:58] <whobody> oh
[09:58] <Guest28568> if you install kppp it will also work
[09:58] <whobody> what GPPP?
[09:58] <Guest28568> launch kppp
[09:58] <whobody> cool
[09:58] <Guest28568> connect
[09:58] <Guest28568> ... blah blah blah
[09:59] <whobody> i'll try it, thx
[09:59] <FloodBotK1> Guest28568: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[09:59] <darcy> can anyone help me with my dragon player?
[10:02] <Guest28568> ok, is there some clever way of doing a kde re-install?
[10:02] <Guest28568> kde 4.3
[10:04] <whobody> where can i find a deb of KPPP?
[10:05] <llutz> whobody:  sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install kppp
[10:05] <whobody> i don't have an internat connection
[10:05] <whobody> on kubuntu
[10:05] <whobody> that's why i'm getting it???
[10:05] <kaddi> whobody do you still have the gnome desktop installed on your system? If so, and if you could connect to the internet with the networkmanager, try starting "nm-applet" that is the networkmanager you use on default in gnome
[10:06] <whobody> yes, i'm switching from fedora11 to kubuntu
[10:06] <kaddi> ah, so you did a complete reinstall and it might be a ubuntu and not a kde problem?
[10:06] <whobody> i'm wanting kppp
[10:07] <whobody> no, i haven't installed it yet
[10:07] <kaddi> what are you running right now if you have not installed kubuntu?
[10:08] <whobody> fedora 11
[10:08] <kaddi> with kde and gnome installed?
[10:08] <whobody> i just need a deb package of kppp
[10:08] <whobody> no, just gnome
[10:08] <kaddi> and you have no internet on that machine?
[10:08] <whobody> no
[10:09] <whobody> one sec
[10:09] <whobody> i'm trying to install kubuntu on the system i' currwently working on
[10:09] <whobody> and, i need a deb of kppp
[10:09] <whobody> that's all
[10:09] <OxDeadC0de> whobody try: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=kppp
[10:09] <whobody> thx, will try
[10:10] <shadeslayer> whobody: youre asking for help with a fedora system?
[10:10] <whobody> no!
[10:10] <whobody> I'm going to install kubuntu over fedora
[10:10] <whobody> yay!
[10:10] <whobody> finaly
[10:10] <OxDeadC0de> yw ;)
[10:13] <shadeslayer> ok
[10:17] <chaos_> d
[10:30] <yesitisjustme> i got a usb to ide adapter but dvdrom only gets detected when a OS is present.
[10:30] <yesitisjustme> Is it possible for usb to ide dvdrom to be detected without a OS like a regular dvdrom?
[10:53] <anand_> hi
[10:53] <anand_> hi
[10:54] <rockers> hiiiii
[10:55] <Smurphy> *duck*
[10:55] <rockers> hurrr
[10:55] <rockers> hat hat
[10:55] <rockers> hurrrrrrrrr
[11:19] <frost_> Hello. Could someone please assist me in getting java to work in konqueror ? tried some guides, but im still no closer getting java to work.
[11:24] <jimmykarily_> frost I think you should install sun-jre package
[11:29] <Guest44759> Well, I tried a fresh install of kubuntu and then added the kde 4.3 repository and upgraded but I still have the exact same problem. Kde applications take FOREVER to launch when running under kde4.3
[11:29] <Guest44759> however I can run kde applications under a failsafe xwindow environment and they launch fairly quickly
[11:30] <Guest44759> Is anyone else experiencing this problem?
[11:31] <Guest44759> non kde4.3/qt applications run fine
[11:31] <Guest44759> are there some kind of background processes running?
[11:31] <Guest44759> kded4 seems to have high cpu usage occasionally
[11:46] <Guest44759> hmm, running dolphin from terminal as regular use is damn slow
[11:46] <Guest44759> but running dolphin from terminal as root is super fast
[11:47] <Guest44759> could there be some privilege problem
[12:08] <sachael> does anyone know a good kde app for managing wireless connection?
[12:09]  * haggisbasheruk always uses wicd as network manager sux sachael ;)
[12:10] <Mamarok> sachael: +1, use wicd instead, should work fine
[12:10] <Guest44759> right. I have identified my kde 4.3 problem. Hurray!... but I don't know how to fix it
[12:10] <Guest44759> it's to do with my sounds
[12:11] <Guest44759> the sound server is causing huge delays in program launch and whenever a sound should occur the system freezes for about 15 seconds
[12:11] <Guest44759> I can only select the gstreamer backend although I have alsa configured on my system
[12:11] <Guest44759> any ideas?
[12:11] <Guest44759> or alternatives?
[12:12] <haggisbasheruk> who borked the Kubuntu Netbook Edition ,Plasma Desktop crashes  on startup , kernel sux , i have no touchscreen on my tablet
[12:12] <haggisbasheruk> this is from yesterdays iso image
[12:13] <Guest44759> I didn't know it was officially released/stable yet
[12:13] <haggisbasheruk> New installer is nice but sloooowwww as hell
[12:14] <haggisbasheruk> Guest44759, its alpha4
[12:15] <Guest44759> if it's alpha then why are you complaining about it not working?
[12:16] <haggisbasheruk> i am not complaining , i am explaining what is happening , i understand i can launch programs from alt+F2
[12:18] <Guest44759> ok, I think I have some kind of version problems
[12:18] <Guest44759> is the package phonon from the old kde?
[12:18] <Guest44759> if I try to install phonon it wants to remove pretty much all of kde
[12:20] <haggisbasheruk> back later
[12:22] <Marsu1> !de
[12:27] <mni> hi all
[12:28] <mni> how can i install my application on kubuntu using console?
[12:28] <mni> any assistance
[12:28] <mni> i just need the sudo-------
[12:28] <Pici> mni: What application?
[12:30] <mni> pici:i have update my kubuntu but yet i have not observed any difference with b4 the update
[12:33] <mni> any help?
[12:33] <Pici> mni: I'm still not sure what you're asking.
[12:35] <mni> ok, what is the code  e.g " sudo apt-get install" for installation in kubuntu?
[12:35] <llutz> mni:  installation of what?
[12:35] <mni> installation of Qt
[12:36] <mni> and any media player that play ogv format
[12:37] <llutz> mni:  use apt-cache search   to search for apps, apt-get to install. read man-pages
[12:37] <Marsu1> Hello, my KDE doesn´t start anymore. I can log in but the start screen stops at the globe and after a while the following message is displayed:  The following installation problem wasa detected while trying to start KDE: No write access to /home/denis/.ICEauthority. KDE is unable to start
[12:38] <llutz> Marsu1:  log in at console, "sudo rm ~denis/.ICEauthority"
[12:39] <Sevis> Greets, does anyone have any experience running World of Warcraft under wine in Kubuntu 9.04?
[12:43] <Pici> Sevis: You'd probably find better support if you asked in #winehq
[12:43] <Sevis> Pici: Same server?
[12:43] <Pici> Sevis: Yessir
[12:44] <Sevis> Pici: Thanks!
[12:56] <mni> pici:pls which video player does play videos with OGV format?
[12:56] <mni> i have dragon player and xine all cant open the format
[12:57] <Pici> mni: I prefer VLC personally.
[12:57] <BSG75> hi, is there a way I can turn off the touchpad on my laptop like I can in gnome?
[12:58] <mni> Pici:pls help me with the sudo code on how to download it
[12:58] <BSG75> one of the few things stopping me from using kde on a regular basis :)
[12:59] <Pici> mni: sudo apt-get install vlc
[13:01] <mni> pici:it gives me this message:
[13:01] <mni> vlc: Depends: vlc-nox (= 0.9.9a-2ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[13:01] <mni> E: Broken packages
[13:04] <mni> ok i have fix the prblm
[13:04] <apparle> hi
[13:25] <williwacker> Hallo
[13:26] <williwacker> Ist dies der richtige Ort um mal zu fragen warum man seit Kubuntu 9.04 keine WLAN Verbindung mehr herstellen kann mit Knetwork?
[13:26] <Mamarok> !de | williwacker
[13:27] <williwacker> Thanks.
[13:27] <theadmin> williwacker, WLAN ist noch da.
[13:27] <Mamarok> theadmin: English, please!
[13:28] <theadmin> Mamarok, i'm trying to help this dude :D allright, i'll just go join #ubuntu-de too
[13:28] <Mamarok> theadmin: then go to #kubuntu-de
[13:28] <Mamarok> theadmin: that's where the German support should go :)
[13:28] <Mamarok> and I already answered there
[13:35] <combo> heelp! can someone tell me how to fix it: "error: 'make' command failed with status code 2" ;/;/
[13:37] <Guest80840> why does trying to remove soprano result it the system wanting to remove my entire kde installation?
[13:37] <Guest80840> it's insance
[13:37] <Guest80840> insange
[13:37] <Guest80840> and the kubuntu developers are insane including soprano with the sesame backend in kde 4.3
[13:37] <Guest80840> it makes the desktop ridiculously slow
[13:38] <Guest80840> I've just been discussing it with the kde guys
[13:38] <Guest80840> your kubuntu team really messed up
[13:39] <Guest80840> anyone with a considerable number of files will have an unusable desktop for a couple of days whilst sesame indexes their files
[13:39] <Guest80840> and after that it will be really slow
[13:39] <Mamarok> Guest80840: disable it then, and stay polite, please
[13:39] <Guest80840> kind like Vista of ubuntu
[13:39] <Guest80840> lol
[13:39] <Mamarok> Guest80840: see the topic and the IRC guidelines for *Ubuntu channels, please
[13:40] <frost_> Anyone with any experience with Java and konqueror please?
[13:40] <Mamarok> frost_: just ask your question
[13:41]  * Smurphy always disables the indexing ... As it slows down everything. On Linux, Mac and Windows too :)
[13:41] <frost_> Mamarok: I have a really hard time specifying my question. I have used 6 different guides, and im still no closer. So to be honest. I need someone to ask me questions.
[13:41] <Mamarok> frost_: well, start by stating your KDE version, maybe?
[13:41] <frost_> 4.3
[13:41] <frost_> 9.04
[13:41] <Mamarok> ok, and what doesn't work?
[13:41] <Guest80840> trouble is that you can't stop it under kubuntu's new kde 4.3
[13:41] <Guest80840> it isn't strigi doing the indexing
[13:42] <frost_> I can't get java to run in konqueror
[13:42] <Smurphy> Guest80840: I did - I made sure it's not installed. Works nice.
[13:42] <Mamarok> Guest80840: yes you can, system settings -> advanced tab
[13:42] <Guest80840> it is another application called soprana
[13:42] <Guest80840> with the sesame backend
[13:42] <Smurphy> Guest80840: uninstall sesame - and remove soprana ... :}
[13:42] <Guest80840> Mamarok... you can't because once it's running kded4 process is totaly unresponsive so you can stop the service running
[13:42] <Mamarok> Guest80840: the default here *is* Sesame, you just need to install the java symlink correctly
[13:42] <Smurphy> Guest80840: Heard from: kill ?
[13:43] <Guest80840> and the kubuntu devs made soprano a dependancy of the entire kde 4.3 installation
[13:43] <Mamarok> frost_: what java do you have installed?
[13:43] <Guest80840> so how do I solve this one?
[13:43] <frost_> Mamarok: I have tried both suns and open
[13:43] <Mamarok> Guest80840: please stop that rambling, it is simply *not* true!
[13:43] <frost_> Mamarok: I have made link acording to the guide
[13:43] <Mamarok> frost_: use the sun one, it is open in case you didn't know :)
[13:44] <Guest80840> Mamarok, how do I disable it then?
[13:44] <frost_> Mamarok: I know. just shortened the names heh
[13:44] <Mamarok> frost_: your system might just not use the correct java I think
[13:44] <frost_> Mamarok: the thought occured to me to, but when i checked default, it looked right
[13:44] <frost_> was using the 1.6 sun
[13:44] <gastly> does anyone know how I can integrate firefox better with kde? I'm on Kde 4.3 and when I select 'Open Containing Folder' in the firefox downloads it just gives me a dialog to choose an application...
[13:44] <Mamarok> Guest80840: as I said: system settings -Advanced tab -> Desktop search
[13:45] <Guest80840> Mamarok... and?
[13:45] <Mamarok> frost_: if you have more than one java isntalled, the system might use the wrong one
[13:45] <Mamarok> installed* even
[13:45] <Smurphy> frost_: What do you ant to do with java, and how do you use it ?
[13:45] <frost_> So i need to uninstall them all and install from scratch ?
[13:45] <Mamarok> Guest80840: stop strigi, remove soprano and install sesame
[13:45] <Mamarok> as easy as that,
[13:45] <frost_> Smurphy: I want to use it on my netbank, and watch some streams from a page i use.
[13:45] <Smurphy> frost_: Remove them all - and use synaptic to install the correct version. There is one for KUbuntu
[13:45] <Mamarok> remove as in apt-get remove
[13:46] <Guest80840> Mamarok,... ok you don't understand... sesame IS the problem
[13:46] <frost_> any quick way to uninstall all jave and extras?
[13:46] <frost_> java*
[13:46] <Guest80840> and Strigi IS disabled and not running
[13:46] <Mamarok> frost_: not necessary to remove all of them, just remove everything not sun-jre
[13:46] <Smurphy> frost_: Dunno. How did you install java ?
[13:46] <Guest80840> and Sesame is a backend to Soprano
[13:46] <Mamarok> !java | frost_
[13:47] <Mamarok> Guest80840: didn't ou want to stop it?
[13:47] <Mamarok> well, it is stopped now, isn't it?
[13:47] <frost_> Smurphy: Mamarok I have installed it from source, from pack manager, and aptitude
[13:47] <Guest80840> I want to stop sesame/soprano
[13:47] <Guest80840> there is no way to stop it
[13:48] <Smurphy> frost: to install - try out a: sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-bin
[13:48] <Mamarok> Guest80840: and if you want a newer version you will either have to isntall it yourself or wait for karmic
[13:48] <Guest80840> and I can't un-install it without un-installing entire kde
[13:48] <Mamarok> the current sesame was not available when Jaunty was released
[13:48] <Smurphy> frost_: Hmm. Not good. Seems you got a mess on you system now :D
[13:48] <Guest80840> Mamarok, you really don't understand the problem
[13:48] <Guest80840> or don't want to understand the problem
[13:48] <Guest80840> sesame is notoriously SLOW
[13:49] <Guest80840> and it can't be removed from jaunty's kde 4.3
[13:49] <Smurphy> Guest80840: This - we understood so far...
[13:49] <frost_> Smurphy: thats what you get for trying to learn on your own
[13:49] <Guest80840> forget strigi
[13:49] <Guest80840> and everything else
[13:49] <Smurphy> frost_: I know. I had that phase back in '93 :)
[13:49] <Mamarok> Guest80840: yes, I understand it quite well, there are enough instructions around, just google for it
[13:49] <Smurphy> Guest80840: All indexing engines are slow... Just be happy that you don't have an antivirus on top of it :D
[13:49] <Mamarok> because to help you further we would all have toi google too, anyway
[13:50] <Mamarok> to*
[13:50] <frost_> Smurphy: I went over to linux in january. Not had windows since that. SO i am rather happy about my progress, though i still have tons to learn
[13:50]  * Mamarok is off for food
[13:50] <Smurphy> Mamarok: ;)
[13:50] <Smurphy> frost_: Depends on what you want to do with it. If you just want a simple system to work with - use Mac OS-X (My mother and Wife use it - as I was fed up to always keeo their systems secure).
[13:51] <Guest80840> Well thanks. If the only option to running kde 4.3 on kubuntu is having sesame shoved down my throat then I will go elsewhere.... GOD DAY!!!!!
[13:51] <frost_> Smurphy: Im not retarded. Im just slow
[13:51] <Mamarok> Smurphy: that is *not* the kind of support answer to give, suggestion OS X is a no go
[13:51] <frost_> Ill never switch back from linux
[13:51] <frost_> I love this os
[13:51] <Smurphy> frost_: Never said that.
[13:52] <frost_> Smurphy: I said that :)
[13:52] <frost_> Smurphy: and btw. java naow works ;)
[13:52] <frost_> now*
[13:52] <frost_> <-- rockstar
[13:52] <Smurphy> Mamarok: I help the way it is required. However I also propose alternatives - and sometimes, people use alternatives. This is a general support chat aimed at Kubuntu, I know.
[13:52] <Smurphy> frost_: Cool :)
[13:53] <frost_> Smurphy: thanks for your help, and maybe this was a indicator on how easy it is sometimes to help someone who have tried allot, but failed because of wrong aproach ;)
[13:53]  * Smurphy had it's Conversion Wars back in 95 - when everyone was still smiling at Linux ...
[13:53] <Smurphy> frost_: It usually is. As a general hint - always try to find a package for your distro first, and only if you don' t find anything else, go for the source = e.g. external install method.
[13:54] <frost_> Smurphy: Do you know why i might get an error running ./configure ?
[13:54] <Smurphy> frost_: The reason is simple. The distro-packages also setup the software inside the the OS, while the source/external install don't ...
[13:54] <frost_> Smurphy: Like i dont have that tool. thats the feeling i got
[13:54] <Smurphy> frost_: what error you get ?
[13:54] <frost_> 2 sec
[13:55] <frost_> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[13:55] <frost_> lol sry
[13:55] <Smurphy> :)
[13:55] <frost_> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[13:55] <frost_> let me check if thats the right error
[13:55] <Smurphy> but the file exists ?
[13:55] <Smurphy> configure ?
[13:55] <Smurphy> make a: ls -l configure
[13:56] <frost_> was trying to build wine from source. and it didnt wanna run ./configure
[13:56] <Smurphy> and show the output please... I have an idea ;)
[13:56] <Smurphy> frost_: Again - install wine through the package-repository ..
[13:56] <frost_> I did
[13:56] <frost_> Smurphy: But i need to build it from source
[13:56] <frost_> with some patches
[13:56] <Smurphy> *lol* Ok - "you" _need"  to build it :)
[13:57] <frost_> ya
[13:57] <Smurphy> could you issue a: ls -l configure
[13:57] <frost_> 2 sec. ill find my error
[13:58] <frost_> http://pastebin.ca/1527981
[13:58] <frost_> Smurphy:
[13:58] <frost_> Smurphy: Thats my problem
[13:59] <Smurphy> he's looking for server/atom.c ... Let me guess = you have a atom-based system
[14:00] <frost_> Smurphy: whats that ?
[14:00] <Smurphy> cpu-type. He is trying to find that file - and it doesn't exist. IMHO - you don't have the entire source.
[14:01] <frost_> Smurphy: So it might be a download gone bad ?
[14:01] <Smurphy> don't know. Or the patching that added some stuff, and forgot some other ?
[14:02] <frost_> Smurphy: The first command to run is configure. So i havent done anything else
[14:02] <Smurphy> it could however also be that you didn't install the kernel header files...
[14:02] <Smurphy> frost_: If you want to patch something, before you run configure, you patch the files...
[14:02] <frost_> what header is needed and how do I ever know what kernel header is needed by what software? headers is one of the things i still dont understand about linux
[14:02] <Smurphy> where did you download your wine from ? -> Linkplse/
[14:03] <frost_> from winehq
[14:03] <Smurphy> frost_: It just tells the software that you want to compile, what API exists to access kernel calls etc.
[14:03] <Smurphy> you have the URL please ?
[14:04] <frost_> Smurphy: Dang. I was hoping to look rather good here. Your 2 lines of text there does not help me understand anything.
[14:05] <frost_> Smurphy: http://sourceforge.net/projects/wine/files/Source Packages/1.1.27/wine-1.1.27.tar.bz2/download
[14:05] <Smurphy> frost_: :) OK - Imagine you get into a Pub - and the people in there speak French only. On the Door of the Pub you'll have a Note saying: French language Only  :)
[14:05] <Smurphy> Kind of same ;)
[14:05] <frost_> indeed
[14:06] <frost_> Smurphy: Or you want to stream a movie from your homepage, and the Os states. Linux
[14:06] <frost_> My java didnt work. only bypasses the java test. didnt get into my netbank
[14:06] <frost_> so now i got 2 probs again hah
[14:06] <Smurphy> yep. It's just a descrription file for wine b.e., on how to directly address the Harddisks.
[14:07] <Smurphy> *lol* I have other issues :)
[14:07] <frost_> Smurphy: whats your problem ?
[14:08] <Smurphy> I have only a 64Bit system to test :D and wine is ot compatible to that.
[14:09] <Smurphy> frost_: BTW - have you seen this link yet: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BuildingWineFromSource
[14:09] <frost_> ty
[14:10] <Smurphy> This builds your version of wine, creates a deb-package of it, so you can easily uninstall it :)
[14:10] <frost_> Smurphy: I have compiled wine No my PC at home with patches. its a amd 64
[14:10] <Smurphy> it's for old versions though - but it should be possible to do it in a simliar way.
[14:10] <frost_> on*
[14:11] <Smurphy> Guess you only miss some header files, or even the kernel-source.s
[14:11] <frost_> I wish i knew wich
[14:11] <frost_> which*
[14:12] <Smurphy> frost: ok - first issue a: sudo apt-get build-dep wine
[14:12] <Smurphy> The you should be able to build the wine stuff ...
[14:12] <Smurphy> http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2009/06/3-ways-to-install-latest-wine-in-ubuntu.html :)
[14:14] <frost_> Smurphy: Sweet. 420mb to install. that means i missed something haha
[14:15] <Smurphy> yeah :)
[14:15] <frost_> but java still aint working :\
[14:15] <frost_> im one step closer though
[14:15] <Smurphy> :)
[14:16] <frost_> Id like to know how to remove all java. So i am sure there is no conflicts
[14:16] <denis> !de
[14:16] <Smurphy> frost_: issue a: sudo updatedb
[14:17] <Smurphy> frost_: It will index all files on you filesystem. After that, issue a: locate java| grep bin, and you know which directories it's in.
[14:17] <frost_> kk.
[14:17] <Smurphy> frost_: after that, remove all version you find in synaptic/aptitude. That should clean your system. Then install java as I showed before, log out of the system and log back in after, so you browsers etc. read the environment variables before they start.
[14:18] <Smurphy> that should ease it.
[14:18] <frost_> ok. ill go offlin to reboot first. ill be back. thanks
[14:18] <Smurphy> why reboot ?
[14:18] <Smurphy> log out and log in -> from X/KDE :)P
[14:19] <frost_> kk
[14:19] <suit> is anyone here by any chance running kubuntu karmic w/ a wired eth0 connection or did at any point?
[14:20] <Smurphy> suit: Nope.
[14:43] <skyhunter> Hey, I got some wierd problems with my Kubuntu... 1. Every startup I get the error message: HDA INTEL isnt working anymore. now using pulseaudio. But the only thing that changes is that the Master Sound is muted and I can just unmute it... And when I check PulseAudio in MultiMedia it don't work. 2. After 5-10 mins my microphone just dont work anymore and sometimes the sound aswell. 3. After that happend I cannot start any programms which u
[14:43] <skyhunter> ... Amarok dont start... even games dont start. I cannot close skype anymore and everything gets wierd o.o... But after a restart it works fine for 5-10mins. AND this all just happen when I'm speaking with somebody over skype. When I dont use it nothing happens....!!!
[14:44] <vale4567> ciao
[14:44] <vale4567> !list
[14:44] <Mamarok> skyhunter: don't use pulseaudio
[14:45] <skyhunter> tell me how to use something different xD
[14:45] <Mamarok> skyhunter: you need to remove pulseaudio and make sure you are using the phonon-xine-backend
[14:45] <skyhunter> how can i fully remove pulseaudio?
[14:45] <Mamarok> skyhunter: and of course install the codes for xine which would be libxine1-ffmpeg
[14:46] <Mamarok> skyhunter: you can't remove it totally, there will stil be one library around, but at least it will not bother you anymore
[14:46] <Mamarok> sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio
[14:46] <skyhunter> and how can i install phonon?
[14:46] <skyhunter> same way?
[14:46] <afief> is it possible to upgrade to kde 4.3 on kubuntu 9.04?
[14:46] <Mamarok> skyhunter: phonon is already installed, the backend package name I just gave you above
[14:46] <afief> skyhunter: usually phonon comes with kde
[14:46] <shadeslayer> afief: see topic
[14:47] <Mamarok> sudo apt-get install phonon-xine-backend libxine1-ffmpeg
[14:47] <afief> shadeslayer: oops, sorry
[14:47] <shadeslayer> :)
[14:47] <afief> shadeslayer: thanks
[14:47] <shadeslayer> afief: no probs
[14:47] <skyhunter> it says coudnt find the package
[14:48] <afief> shadeslayer: what will happen when I upgrade from jaunty to karmic if I install these packages?
[14:48] <skyhunter> and i have kubuntu 9.04
[14:48] <skyhunter> so i should have kde
[14:48] <reya276> Does anyone have any idea why KDE 4.3 takes for ever to load the desktop?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> afief: theyll get upgraded again
[14:49] <afief> shadeslayer: so they won't get my system into a state where I need to fix stuff by hand?
[14:49] <skyhunter> Mamarok: I cant use your command because it says coudnt find the package
[14:49] <afief> skyhunter: which package?
[14:50] <skyhunter> afief: phonon-xine-backend
[14:50] <shadeslayer> afief: dont think so,also i would prefer a clean install in karmic with the new KMS package in place
[14:50] <Mamarok> skyhunter: then it is phonon-xine-backend, sorry
[14:50] <reya276> the desktop just freezes and can't do anything cut Ctrl+Alt+backspace
[14:51] <reya276> *but
[14:51] <Mamarok> reya276: try moving your ~/.kde/ to ~/.kde_backup/ and start KDE again
[14:51] <llutz> it's phonon-backend-xine
[14:51] <skyhunter> Mamarok: i typed sudo apt-get install phonon-xine-backend and it still says coudnt find the package phonon-xine-backend
[14:51] <afief> shadeslayer: I'd prefer doing a clean install too, but I'll be busy with university stuff by then, so doing a clean install and configuring everything isn't really an option
[14:51] <reya276> is there anything I can do from CLI or Gnome side to fix it?
[14:52] <Mamarok> llutz: thank you, just typed it wrong twice
[14:52] <reya276> Mamarok: can I just delete it?
[14:52] <Mamarok> skyhunter: see llutz comment
[14:52] <Mamarok> reya276: no, move it first, as there are your mails etc, if you use kdepim (kontact)
[14:53] <reya276> Mamarok: no this is a fresh install of KDE 4.3 desktop
[14:53] <skyhunter> Mamarok: ok both things are installed
[14:54] <skyhunter> llutz: is there a command to say my sound card to use phonon-backend-xine? or it just autostart now?
[14:54] <shadeslayer> afief: it should upgrade,but cant say
[14:55] <shadeslayer> +for sure
[14:55] <skyhunter> Mamarok: should i restart now?
[14:55] <Mamarok> skyhunter: try erasing that file: ~/.kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc, then restart KDE
[14:55] <skyhunter> Mamarok: ok
[14:56] <skyhunter> Mamarok: how can i restart kde?
[14:56] <skyhunter> Mamarok: just restart the whole computer?
[14:57] <Mamarok> no, log out of KDE and start it again
[14:57] <skyhunter> ok
[14:57] <Mamarok> reboot is only needed for a new kernel
[14:59] <skyhunter> Mamarok: How can I check whether it worked?
[15:05] <skyhunter> Mamarok: coudnt type anything, coudnt move windows, coudnt restart after restarting kde
[15:05] <skyhunter> Mamarok: just pressed the "Reset" buttonm
[15:05] <skyhunter> Mamarok: but i got now HDA Intel error :D
[15:06] <skyhunter> Mamarok: Any way to check if it uses phonon now?
[15:06] <skyhunter> Mamarok: PulseAudio is still listed in Multimedia o.o
[15:07] <Mamarok> skyhunter: if you are using KDE 4.x it uses phonon by default, you can't use something else without big changings
[15:07] <Mamarok> you need to make sure it doesn't use pulseaudio and it should use the xine backend
[15:07] <skyhunter> how can i go sure with that?
[15:07] <Mamarok> go to system settings -> Multimedia -> ther it will show you what is used, and there is an backend tab where you can see if it uses xine
[15:08] <Mamarok> if you still have gstreamer, remove it, it has too many bugs with phonon
[15:08] <skyhunter> ok i used autoremove now
[15:08] <skyhunter> seems to remove many pulseaudio things
[15:09] <skyhunter> ok i hope everything works fine now :)
[15:09] <skyhunter> thanks alot
[15:10] <condor> ciao
[15:10] <condor> ciao
[15:15] <indystorm> hey so I just downloaded java for firefox- how do I install it? it's a .bin file.....
[15:17] <genii> indystorm: Why not just install kubuntu-restricted-extras  package instead?
[15:17] <skyhunter> Mamarok: Ok when I open Skype and then Amarok I get the message: The Audio device HDA Intel (ALC888 Analog) is not working. Now using "".
[15:17] <indystorm> how do I do that?
[15:17] <indystorm> I am new to this.
[15:18] <genii> indystorm: From Kmenu...System...KPackagekit
[15:19] <indystorm> oh hey look at that--- lol.....
[15:19] <indystorm> wow..
[15:19] <indystorm> nice
[15:20] <skyhunter> o.O
[15:21] <Mamarok> skyhunter: in the phonon settings, is there still pulseaudio somewhere on the top?
[15:23] <skyhunter> Mamarok: where are the phonon settings?
[15:24] <Mamarok> skyhunter: system settings -> Multimedia, didn't I tell you that earlier?
[15:24] <skyhunter> Mamarok: and then Backend?
[15:26] <skyhunter> Mamarok: sound crashed agai...
[15:26] <skyhunter> Mamarok: cant close skype cant open amarok
[15:27] <skyhunter> Mamarok: cant open any game
[15:27] <indystorm> hey geni I installed that and now java still won't work
[15:28] <skyhunter> Mamarok: what can i do now?
[15:28] <skyhunter> Mamarok: is there something like a crashlog?
[15:28] <skyhunter> Mamarok: and whats speech-dispatcher???
[15:30] <skyhunter> Mamarok: dont know what to do :(
[15:32] <Mamarok> skyhunter: in the system settings -Y Multimedi, there is a tab that says backend, waht do you have there?
[15:32] <skyhunter> Mamarok: xine
[15:32] <Mamarok> and what does it say on the first tab, is there pulseaudio somewhere on top?
[15:32] <skyhunter> not on top
[15:33] <skyhunter> under HDA Intel (ALC888 analog)
[15:33] <skyhunter> Mamarok: hmm and i cant end the skype / amarok process
[15:34] <skyhunter> Mamarok: is there no system log or something? where i can see what happend?
[15:35] <donnybrasco> Hi, I installed some updates last night and now I can't boot up - had to use live session - can anyone help me?  I'm running Jaunty with kdm
[15:36] <avihayb> donnybrasco: any more information you can provide?
[15:39] <donnybrasco> avihayb: sorry, I'm new - not sure what the problem is exactly - just that the system seems to boot fine until my splash screen, then it goes blank (but I still have mouse)
[15:39] <skyhunter> I really need help with that problem... I cant do anything xD
[15:40] <avihayb> by splash screen, you mean the kde loading screen? are you given a chance to enter your username/password?
[15:40] <avihayb> skyhunter: kill has a few different signals
[15:40] <indystorm> hey so I installed the java extras pack and still can't get it to work- any ideas?
[15:41] <avihayb> the deafult, term, I think , sort of asks politely
[15:41] <donnybrasco> no chance - the screen before login shows up briefly, then it goes black
[15:41] <skyhunter> and how to use the undefault? xD
[15:42] <donnybrasco> there must be a log file somewhere that I can pastebin ... do you know where I'd find it?
[15:42] <avihayb> skyhunter:  kill -7 <processid>, though I recommend useing the program top
[15:42] <avihayb> go to the terminal, run top, when you see the process you want to kill press k
[15:43] <avihayb> I think that the 7 signal is the "unpolite" way to kill a process
[15:43] <skyhunter> ok did that
[15:43] <skyhunter> now its a zombie process xD
[15:44] <avihayb> donnybrasco: try dmesg
[15:45] <donnybrasco> sorry ... how do you use that :) just enter in a terminal?
[15:46] <Mamarok> skyhunter: in a konsole, killall skype and killall amarok
[15:47] <avihayb> donnybrasco: yes, there are also files, but I forgot where they are stored
[15:47] <skyhunter> Mamarok: skype is now a zombie and amarok dont care xD
[15:47] <Mamarok> skyhunter: you can't do killall amarok?
[15:48] <Mamarok> how did you end up with that mess?
[15:48] <skyhunter> nothing changes in the proces window
[15:48] <Mamarok> skyhunter: please type that on a konsole
[15:48] <skyhunter> i did it in console
[15:48] <Mamarok> not in top or htop or ksysguard, just in the konsole
[15:48] <Mamarok> skyhunter: what does killall amarok say?
[15:48] <skyhunter> Mamarok: nothing
[15:49] <donnybrasco> it printed out a couple pages of info - will you be able to make sense of it if I pastebin?
[15:49] <Mamarok> then do it again, you might have a fe things open
[15:49] <Mamarok> few
[15:49] <Mamarok> skyhunter: else, restart KDE, that should close it
[15:49] <avihayb> donnybrasco: the file is  /var/log/dmesg
[15:49] <skyhunter> Mamarok: but amarok is not the problem the problem is that it crashed again
[15:49] <skyhunter> Mamarok: my sound crashed just like befor so phonon didnt help
[15:50] <Mamarok> skyhunter: it would be?
[15:50] <avihayb> and I'm not sure I can help, but I'll try,
[15:50] <Mamarok> skyhunter: I think there are some missunderstandings here: phonon *is* the sound manager of KDE 4
[15:50] <Mamarok> skyhunter: forget skype for a second, let's see if you can run Amarok correctly
[15:52] <skyhunter> Mamarok: i can run it when i restart and it works very good :P just when i start to a conference in skype it crashes
[15:52] <donnybrasco> !pastebin
[15:54] <skyhunter> Mamarok: and can u say me what speech-dispatcher does?
[15:55] <skyhunter> Mamarok: i installed it becasue i got an error msg everytime i shutdown...
[15:55] <donnybrasco> avihayb: this is mostly chinese to me ... there are a few errors at the bottom, do you think you can make some sense of this for me?  http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/252562/
[15:57] <Mamarok> skyhunter: no idea, never used that, do you have speech somthing installed?
[15:57] <skyhunter> Mamarok: yes because of this error: not starting speech-dispatcher, as /etc/default/speech-dispatcher does not have run_speechd=yes
[15:57] <skyhunter> Mamarok: this error stopped my computer from shutdown
[15:58] <Mamarok> skyhunter: well, just try not to run both Amarok and Skype at the same time, Skype is a pain with sound in Linux
[15:58] <skyhunter> Mamarok: than i installed it and changed the run_speechd to yes
[15:58] <Mamarok> skyhunter: might be some Skype stuff, I really don't know
[15:58] <avihayb> donnybrasco: the error codes near the bottom are related to your wireless card
[15:58] <Mamarok> and as it is closed source, nobody but the Skype people will be able to tell you
[15:58] <avihayb> what kind of GFX card do you have?
[15:58] <skyhunter> Mamarok: ok thx :)
[15:59] <skyhunter> Mamarok: restarting now and hope that skype dont suck xD
[15:59] <donnybrasco> how do I install the drivers if I'm running off a live cd?
[16:00] <avihayb> you don't bother with it untill you are runing from the hdd installation
[16:00] <avihayb> oh, and I forgot you are useing a liveCD
[16:01] <avihayb> the dmesage you pasted was from the wrong linux. can you open the real linux installation from the liveCD?
[16:01] <donnybrasco> I only have one instance of linux installed on my computer
[16:01] <avihayb> ( you can install the drivers on the live CD but you'r going to restart sometime, and you'll lose the settings...
[16:01] <donnybrasco> you want the dmesage from the live cd?
[16:02] <avihayb> I think you gave me the dmesg from the liveCD
[16:02] <donnybrasco> oh! ... hang on a sec :)
[16:04] <avihayb> when you open dolphin, it has a sidepanle called places
[16:04] <avihayb> among the places listed there, should be the drive where linux is installed
[16:05] <avihayb> you should recognise it because it has the tipical root folders: /bin /usr /etc /var ...
[16:06] <donnybrasco> this looks more like it ... http://paste.ubuntu.com:80/252571/
[16:08] <avihayb> is this the dmesg file from your hdd? /media/sda?/var/log/dmesg   ?
[16:11] <siaty> hi
[16:11] <siaty> all
[16:12] <donnybrasco> this is from Volume (ext3)>var>log
[16:12] <avihayb> well, it doesn't show any error, as far as I see
[16:14] <avihayb> without knowing too much about your system, I'd check or rename the xorg.config file in /etc/X11/xorg.config
[16:14] <donnybrasco> I know, I couldn't find one either - there's also a dmesg.0, dmesg.1.gz, dmesg.2.gz, dmesg.3.gz, and dmesg.4.gz
[16:14] <avihayb> thease are the previous dmesages
[16:15] <donnybrasco> right - I think if I remember correctly one of the updates had to do with xorg
[16:16] <avihayb> if you rename xorg.config to xorg.config.13_8_09.backup, a new xorg.config will be created for you
[16:16] <avihayb> when you boot your system
[16:17] <donnybrasco> how do I do that from command?
[16:18] <avihayb> cd /media
[16:18] <avihayb> ls
[16:18] <avihayb> you should see the name of the folder where your real hdd is mounted
[16:19] <avihayb> cd sda1 or hda1 or disk or however it's calld
[16:20] <msichal> hi, how to easly update kde4 to 4,3?
[16:20] <donnybrasco> what's the command for rename?
[16:20] <avihayb> mv (short for move)
[16:20] <donnybrasco> thanks
[16:21] <msichal> umm? no ideas?
[16:22] <avihayb> yse
[16:22] <avihayb> you follow the instructions on the kubuntu site to the letter
[16:22] <donnybrasco> I have a lot of other xorg backups in there - shoudl I try to rename one of them to xorg.conf?
[16:23] <avihayb> it might work. I'd suggest trying that after you try letting it create a deafult one
[16:24] <donnybrasco> ok - going to reboot now and if you don't see me everythings alright :) thanks very much for your help!
[16:24] <avihayb> :-> good luck
[16:25] <msichal> is kde 4,3 in jaunty repos?
[16:26] <Orfeous> hi everyone!
[16:26] <shadeslayer> hey
[16:26] <Orfeous> got a problem with kubuntu livecd installation and/or ubuntu livecd with manual kde installation from apt source
[16:27] <Orfeous> my problem is that when kde is installed i cant read any text on my screen (projector) the text is really small
[16:27] <Orfeous> on buttons, menues.. console..blabla..
[16:27] <Orfeous> but not on gnome
[16:28] <Orfeous> i have a screenshot for example what i mean.
[16:28] <Orfeous> http://umea.mine.nu/~anton/shot.png
[16:29] <avihayb> happes to me with some screens
[16:29] <avihayb> can easyly be corrected
[16:30] <Orfeous> how?
[16:30] <Orfeous> it happens also in kubuntu installation on the graphical interface
[16:30] <avihayb> open the system settings panle
[16:30] <Orfeous> cant read what im doing :D
[16:31] <avihayb> under appearence, you have a font category
[16:31] <Orfeous> i can navigate via icons :) because i see them
[16:31] <avihayb> ok, press alt-f1 to open the kmenu
[16:31] <Orfeous> is this doable manually in a configuration file?
[16:31] <avihayb> open the system-settings panle ( wrench and screwdriver icon
[16:32] <Orfeous> yes, i think i have seen that one
[16:32] <avihayb> maybe, I wouldn't bother looking for it since you have someone that can guid you thourg it
[16:32] <Orfeous> why isnt this fixed on installation cd?
[16:33] <avihayb> It's just an issue of bad identification
[16:33] <Orfeous> i have tried kubuntu (jaunty) and (karmic)
[16:33] <avihayb> anyway, the top-left icon is the apperence settings. double click it
[16:33] <Orfeous> how do i do then after going into system... fonts?
[16:34] <avihayb> then on the left you get a list of icons. the one with the T is the one you want
[16:35] <donnybrasco> I'm back :( haha - here's the error message that I get (didn't see it 'cause my other monitor was off) "cound not start kdeinit4. check your installation"
[16:35] <avihayb> the lowest drop-down combo box in this page is called Force font's DPI. the deafult option is Disabled
[16:35] <Orfeous> ah, ok i should try that later then :) thank you for the help!
[16:35] <avihayb> try the others. changes only apply to newly opend applications
[16:36] <Orfeous> is KDM also affected?
[16:36] <avihayb> so you need a reboot or logout restart xserver login, since it's a livecd
[16:36] <Orfeous> no, i have installed on harddrive allready
[16:37] <avihayb> the setting is saved somewhere
[16:39] <donnybrasco> avihayb: I'm back :( haha - here's the error message that I get (didn't see it 'cause my other monitor was off) "cound not start kdeinit4. check your installation"
[16:39] <msichal> hey... give me sobe simpl solution to update KDE to 4,3
[16:40] <Orfeous> msichal: either: either upgrade to ubuntu karmic or find kde's repo with kde 4.3
[16:41] <msichal> ubuntu karmic is 9.10 ?
[16:41] <Orfeous> yes
[16:41] <Orfeous> not stable yet
[16:43] <Orfeous> here is for jaunty
[16:43] <Orfeous> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main
[16:43] <panther__> ls $KDEDIR/share/apps/konversation/scripts
[16:43] <panther__> sorry,
[16:45] <panther__> how can I hide the messages from entering or leaving the room with Konversation?
[16:45] <TSK> Greetings, folks.  I was wondering.  Mandriva Linux (my previous distro) had a special channel for those folks testing/debugging the development version (Cooker).  Does Ubuntu/Kubuntu have a similar thing?  A seperate channel for users of the devel version (karmic koala) of Ubuntu?
[16:46] <genii> TSK: #ubuntu+1
[16:46] <TSK> genii: Thank you very much.  :)
[16:47] <genii> TSK: Welcome
[16:48] <TSK> This latest version of Ubuntu (and the next version coming) are really light years ahead of the last time I had a look at Ubuntu a couple years back.
[16:51] <msichal> Kubuntu packages are available for 9.04. More details can be found in the  announcement on Kubuntu.org.
[16:51] <msichal> good
[16:52] <Orfeous> see you!
[16:53] <msichal> it says Users of our stable 9.04 release can install it from the Kubuntu Backports PPA.
[16:53] <msichal> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu jaunty main
[16:54] <msichal> i need to add it to my repo list right?
[16:55] <genii> msichal: Yes. You'll also need to do the adding of the gpg keys, etc
[16:55] <msichal> i added it
[16:56] <mks> whatnet
[16:57] <genii> mks You are trying to change irc servers?
[16:58] <avihayb> donnybrasco:  btw, I don't know how to fix that error. you should ask around here. maybe someone will help
[16:59] <msichal> how to install it? what's the package name?
[16:59] <donnybrasco> avihayb: thanks for your help anyway - I was just scoping the net for solutions, to no avail
[16:59] <msichal> ive added it  and updated apt-get
[17:00] <genii> msichal: There isn't one. Just do an upgrade or dist-upgrade
[17:00] <msichal> so tell me basc kde packages so it will install everything with it
[17:00] <msichal> *basic
[17:01] <donnybrasco> Can anyone help me with this error on startup: "Could not start kdeinit4. Check your installation."?
[17:05] <msichal> so?
[17:08] <genii> msichal: The packagename for Kubuntu is kubuntu-desktop. But since you have it installed already, just a lower version, all you require is upgrade or dist-upgrade
[17:09] <msichal> but upgrade what? i dont want to make dist-upgrade
[17:09] <msichal> upgrade kubuntu-desktop?
[17:10] <genii> msichal: just: sudo apt-get upgrade                    should do it
[17:10] <msichal> ok
[17:10] <donnybrasco> Can anyone help me with this error on startup: "Could not start kdeinit4. Check your installation."?
[17:11] <msichal> it wants to download 65MB of packets
[17:11] <msichal> so i think its ok
[17:12] <msichal> theres kde-workspace etc
[17:15] <Parf> why would my broadcom wireless 'see' hotspots and not 'connect' to them, reporting a 'null' driver to the manager, even after i collected all the drivers?....
[17:30] <noquinho> konversation has another servers ?
[17:31] <noquinho> i am looking for yamaha virago channel
[17:32] <faydriss> les paul r.i.p...  *sorry off topic
[17:36] <orione> !list
[17:36] <orione> !list
[17:37] <panther__> Hi How can I lock my screen?
[17:45] <donnybrasco> is there any way to undo updates that have damaged my system?  I updated last night and now I'm getting this error on startup: "Could not start kdeinit4. Check your installation."?
[17:50] <donnybrasco> I'm currently running off of a live cd - can I reinstall xorg to my hd from here?
[17:51] <Nampat> check this post: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3099341
[17:54] <donnybrasco> thanks
[17:56] <panther__> how can I hide the server messages the room with Konversation?
[18:01] <fabio123> hi there
[18:01] <Dragnslcr> panther__- Settings -> Configure -> Behavior -> Chat Window
[18:01] <fabio123> i got a question about kde 4.3
[18:01] <fabio123> a couple of question...
[18:02] <fabio123> did you notice that gwenview is broken?
[18:02] <fabio123> and what am i supposed to do with *nepomuk* ?
[18:02] <fabio123> random answer is welcome
[18:03] <Lauri> hi
[18:10] <msichal> omg
[18:10] <avihayb> panther__: in kde4.2 you can open the k-menu,  select leave, and one of the options is lock. it blanks the screen and requests a password to let you work
[18:10] <msichal> installed kde 4,3 and started it
[18:11] <msichal> and plasma crashes
[18:11] <msichal> how to remove all plasmoids by conf. file?
[18:13] <msichal> is anyone there?
[18:14] <fabio123> 4 is still not ready
[18:14] <fabio123> i'm not a developer
[18:14] <fabio123> did u notice that gwenview is broken?
[18:15] <msichal> works for me
[18:15] <msichal> how to remove applets? w.out starting kde4?
[18:15] <avihayb> msichal: there is a way. it's somewhere in .kde or .kde4
[18:16] <fabio123> of course is there
[18:16] <fabio123> you can remove that folder and start with a clean slate
[18:17] <indystorm> hey I cant get java installed on firefox... :(
[18:17] <msichal> nooo
[18:17] <msichal> i just want to remove plasmoids
[18:18] <SilverCode> msichal: try looking in ~/.kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc
[18:18] <SilverCode> msichal: it is the only place I can see a reference to my desktop plasmoids
[18:19] <msichal> is there a way to start plasma in kde3?
[18:19] <msichal> or it will just crash?
[18:20] <msichal> ok... trying
[18:26] <og__> Hi i had a hd failure, and decided to install a fresh ubuntu - except this time i went with the kde packages (kde).  everything has installed fine. but im a little lost, the add and remove software package manager seems broken, It dosnt prompt me for my password and refuses to install packages because of a lack of privlages
[18:28] <anoneemouse> hello... how do i automount ntfs drives at startup? I have file shares on these drives and I have to mount them for other people to access
[18:29] <og__> my user is part of the group admin, and was the first user installed as part of the automated kubuntu installer.  why does it not have access to add pacakges via Add and Remove Software
[18:29] <og__> ?
[18:30] <og__> anoneemouse: fstab?
[18:30] <og__> vim /etc/fstab
[18:31] <anoneemouse> og__: i cant say ive tried that in kubuntu, but in pcbsd hald had a fun time messing things up when i screwed around in fstab
[18:31] <avihayb> og__:  try to install once via the terminal: sudo apt-get install <package_name>
[18:31] <anoneemouse> lets see
[18:32] <anoneemouse> yup... afaik hald modifies your fstab...
[18:32] <anoneemouse> the drives arent even in there
[18:32] <msichal> so it starts
[18:33] <msichal> but everytking is f**ed up...
[18:33] <og__> avihayb: yeah apt-get from terminal work when sudoed
[18:33] <msichal> the KDE menu opens in laft top corner...
[18:33] <avihayb> og__: then what package manager are ya useing?
[18:33] <msichal> i think KDM deoesn't start
[18:33] <og__> avihayb: dunno this is my first tiem using kde - the built in 'Add and Remove Software' gui
[18:34] <og__> avihayb: part of System Settings
[18:34]  * og__ lied - first time in years
[18:34] <msichal> bcause theres no windows decos and u cant make other windows active
[18:34] <msichal> do i need to delete .kde?
[18:35] <avihayb> og__: first thing that happens when I try to run it, it prompts me for a password
[18:35] <og__> I dont get that
[18:35] <SilverCode> msichal: I would suggest moving .kde to kde.backup or something
[18:35] <msichal> yeah
[18:35] <msichal> right...
[18:35] <avihayb> you can try runing kpackagekit, adept, or do the sane thing and install synaptic
[18:36] <msichal> ok...
[18:36] <msichal> one more try
[18:37] <og__> avihayb: running kpackagekit doesnt present me with password request
[18:37] <og__> avihayb: I could install synaptic, but i would rather find out why on a completelky fresh install it is borked
[18:38] <avihayb> try runing kdesudo
[18:39] <og__> avihayb:  app launches, but require parameters
[18:39] <avihayb> kdesudo ls
[18:39] <avihayb> or better yet: kdesudo xclock
[18:39] <og__> requests password - then executes
[18:40]  * og__ did ls
[18:40] <avihayb> the password request was graphical, right?
[18:40] <og__> yeah
[18:40] <og__> kdesudo xclock didnt request password
[18:40] <og__> xlock just launches
[18:41] <avihayb> thats because it won't request the password for another 5 min or so
[18:41] <og__> avihayb: kpackagekit still isnt working...
[18:41] <avihayb> ok, go to the kde-menu icon, right-click it, and select edit menue
[18:42] <og__> right would not using kdm do anything?
[18:42] <Laeborg> Is MSI Wind U120 good supported ?
[18:43] <og__> avihayb: i just realised that when i booted x wouldnt start, so i made a change to xconf to get it started - then started x with startx rather than kdm
[18:43] <avihayb> don't know, kdm is only supposed to be responsible for runing x with the kde logon screen
[18:43] <og__> avihayb: that s what I thought, but its the only unusual thing with this computer atm
[18:43] <og__> perhaps I'll reboot - see if things start working
[18:44] <avihayb> well, there is probebly a reason why you should use kdm insted of startx but I don't know it. I think it's unrelated to this problem
[18:44] <og__> avihayb: well if it is unrelated then i see no point in rebooting - but maybe it'll do some good..
[18:45] <og__> avihayb: brb
[18:45] <avihayb> just before,
[18:45] <avihayb> nm
[18:48] <og__> avihayb: it works
[18:48] <og__> avihayb: reboot fixed it - no idea why. thanks for the effort
[18:48] <indystorm> hey how do I get java working on firefox??
[18:49] <indystorm> ???
[18:49] <avihayb> ohh, great. I wonder why it helped tough.. og__, well, anyway, have fun
[18:51] <indystorm> hey how do I get java working on firefox??
[18:56] <msichal> still  nothing
[18:56] <msichal> cant do anything, just start software
[18:56] <msichal> kayboard isn't working
[19:05] <indystorm> ???
[19:05] <indystorm> hey how do I get java working on firefox??
[19:17] <tdstrong> is keyserver.ubuntu.com down?
[19:17] <tdstrong> I can ping it, but can't request gpg keys
[19:21] <avihayb> indystorm: install the sun-java6-bin and sun-java6-jre packages
[19:21] <n3i15> has anyone experienced problem with keyboard input not working temporarily in certain applications sometimes?
[19:22] <avihayb> yes, I do, It seems to only happen in QT applications, right?
[19:22] <n3i15> avihayb: it happens in gnome-terminal, firefox, and eclipse, too
[19:23] <n3i15> avihayb: oh, and emacs
[19:23] <SilverCode> n3i15: I have that in pdadmin3 all the time
[19:23] <n3i15> sometimes it happens frequently, it's really annoying
[19:23] <SilverCode> but that is the only one
[19:23] <shadeslayer> n3i15: yes,sometimes
[19:24] <avihayb> humm, never happend to me in eclipse, very rarly in firefox, and don't use the rest
[19:24] <n3i15> is there any workaround better than waiting for arbitrarily long time?
[19:25] <avihayb> happens to me in kate, dolphin, konqurer, rarely in konsoule, and maybe here and there
[19:25] <avihayb> n3i15: I close and reopen the application
[19:25] <indystorm> hey an error has occured installing java
[19:25] <indystorm> please tell developer about this it says
[19:26] <n3i15> avihayb: I guess I'll just do the same everytime for now
[19:27] <n3i15> avihayb: is there a bug report about this? I tried searching for it, but none seemed like this one
[19:28] <avihayb> well, I don't know. I havn't realy gotten into the reporting bugs mindset, so I never posted
[19:29] <shadeslayer> n3i15: happens in konsole for me
[19:29] <n3i15> shadeslayer: yea, it happens in konsole quite frequently for me
[19:29] <avihayb> oh, alt-tabing out and into the app works 60% of the time...
[19:30] <n3i15> avihayb: alright, I'll keep on search and file a report if there's none
[19:30] <avihayb> btw, do you happen to use two keyboards?
[19:30] <n3i15> no, just one
[19:30] <n3i15> the built-in keyboard in my laptop
[19:31] <avihayb> happens to me on a laptop too. I've just installed a desktop and it doesn't happen ther yet, but I didn't testdrive it much
[19:31] <n3i15> all the inputs during the malfunction period seem  to be buffered and they'll appear all at once when it fixes itself
[19:31] <avihayb> I also usualy hook up an external USB keyboard, but it doesn't matter what keyboard I use, or if the usb keboard is attached or not
[19:31] <gty> yellow?
[19:32] <n3i15> green?
[19:32] <avihayb> n3i15: didn't happen to me
[19:32] <avihayb> blue
[19:32] <gty> oh kewl people are alive
[19:32] <n3i15> so all the inputs during the black-out are always lost?
[19:33] <avihayb> seems so to me. also, I didn't notice it ever recovering
[19:33] <avihayb> there are rare cases where I think an app stopped responding, and then it starts working
[19:33] <n3i15> hmm, mine always fixes itself, but takes arbitrarily long time, sometimes less than a min, sometimes longer than 10 mins
[19:34] <avihayb> oh, btw how long does it take before it starts to happen?
[19:34] <n3i15> the app is rendering here, it responses to the mouse but not the keyboard
[19:34] <n3i15> it just happened like 3 times in an hour
[19:35] <avihayb> not what I ment. I have dolphin always runing. it usualy works for more then 8 hours, and then, it starts behaveing
[19:35] <gty> on linux user group id's start at 1000?
[19:35] <avihayb> or rather stops
[19:36] <gty> cannot they not be set to say 500?
[19:36] <avihayb> gty: for humans, I think it's just a convention, and not importent, except maybe root is bound to 1 or something like that
[19:38] <n3i15> avihayb: oh, it varies, I think it starts occurring after a couple of minutes
[19:38] <avihayb> maybe not the same bug... sigh
[19:39] <gty> well gdm is complaining 501 does not exist
[19:39] <gty> is there some other place i have to set the group and user id besides /etc/psswd?
[19:39] <gty> and on the home dir?
[19:41] <alex___> hello
[19:41] <n3i15> oh, and rarely I get random letters popping out when I press a key on the keyboard
[19:42] <alex___> i've one question
[19:42] <n3i15> e.g. key 'i' prints kj
[19:43] <alex___> i've just install on dual boot Kubuntu (with plasma desktop) , i want to read my windows partition , how to do that ?
[19:43] <gty> is that a bug or you have the wrong keyboard layout?
[19:44] <n3i15> I didn't have this issue when I was using 8.10, it started happening after the upgrade
[19:44] <alex___> anyone can help me?
[19:45] <n3i15> and I double checked my keyboard layout settings, looks good
[19:47] <alex___> i need some help, anyone for me ? :D
[19:52] <alex___> join #linux
[19:55] <J-_> I'll ask in here since I'm not getting any answers in #ubuntu+1, and I've asked darn near 5 times in the last 2 days. Will !purekde work in Karmic?
[19:56] <genii> J-_: No reason why not. Package names haven't changed much
[19:56] <J-_> Cool
[20:04] <indystorm> hey how can I get the kopete client to stick to the side of the desktop and have all the other windows maxmize to the side of it?
[20:10] <sourcemaker> kann mir jemand einen Download Manager mit Server Komponenten nennen?
[20:10] <genii> !de
[20:10] <sourcemaker> is there a download manager with an integrated server available?
[20:11] <sourcemaker> so that I can connect to server via telnet or something else and can add a new download URL to the queue?
[20:11] <marwan> hallo, i need help with git, who can help me?
[20:12] <donnybrasco> hello, I need help restoring my system after updating.  I am getting this error on startup "could not start kdeinit4. check your installation."
[20:13] <donnybrasco> does anyone know if I can make changes to my hdd installation from the live cd?
[20:14] <msichal> yes
[20:14] <donnybrasco> can I remove updates or try them again?
[20:15] <msichal> have no idea
[20:19] <marwan> who can help me with git?
[20:20] <Pici> marwan: #git would probably be the best place to ask about using git, if you're having trouble installing it, you should ask here though.
[20:21] <donnybrasco> so ... basically, reinstalling my system will be easier than trying to fix it
[20:22] <donnybrasco> what a hassel
[20:26] <bigjools> hi folks, can anyone please help me find out why trying to logout/reboot just stalls and the session stays alive?
[20:27] <bigjools> it only started happening after I went to kde 4.3
[20:34] <slow-motion> hi
[20:36] <indystorm> hey how do I install BitchX in kubuntu? It's not working....
[20:40] <Heerooo2009> hi
[20:40] <indystorm> hey how do I install BitchX in kubuntu? It's not working....
[20:41] <Heerooo2009> can it be that kubuntui is a bit slow?
[20:44] <J-_> indystorm: bitchx is deprecated, check out irssi. There are irssi guides at irssi.org in the documentation tab.
[21:01] <alex___> hello guys
[21:01] <alex___> can you help me , i need some help
[21:01] <genii> !ask
[21:02] <alex___> i've got no sound on flash player (in browser) and in amarock
[21:03] <alex___> please how to reinstall correct parameters to my sound problems
[21:06] <Nampat> open up the mixer on check if PCM is up
[21:07] <ngirard> Hi all. I'm experiencing weird 100% cpu usage with Xorg using Kubuntu jaunty on a laptop & an nvidia graphics card
[21:07] <ngirard> Currently, simply starting kate makes it happen
[21:07] <ngirard> for instance
[21:07] <ngirard> I haven't the simplest idea what could be the cause for this
[21:07] <ngirard> any thoughts ?
[21:08] <Nampat> do you have desktop effects enabled?
[21:09] <ngirard> Hi Nampat. Yes I think I do (it's my girlfriend's laptop actually)
[21:09] <indystor1> hey is this working?
[21:10] <Nampat> maybe you should try to disable desktop effects and see, wether the problem is still there or not
[21:11] <ngirard> Nampat: seems fine. Could you please tell me how to temporarily disable desktop effect ?
[21:11] <donnybrasco> hello, I just re-installed kubuntu and was just wondering which wireless driver to install Broadcom B43 or Broadcom STA - can anyone help with this?
[21:12] <ngirard> donnybrasco: which kubuntu version ?
[21:13] <donnybrasco> ngirard: jaunty
[21:13] <indystorm> hey how do I go back a window in irssi?
[21:13] <ngirard> donnybrasco: then according to (1) everything should already be installed
[21:13] <ngirard> (1) http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/wifi_broadcom_bcm43xx
[21:15] <donnybrasco> ngirard: I don't speak french, unfortunately.  Both drivers show up in the proprietary drivers, but I'm wondering which to activate
[21:15] <Walzmyn> any bash wizards around?
[21:16] <shadeslayer> indystorm: hold alt and press one of the no.s
[21:16] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: what do you need?
[21:16] <comawhite> anyone know how to get KDevelop-beta4?
[21:16] <comawhite> I only get beta1
[21:17] <shadeslayer> comawhite: uh,co the svn and compile it?
[21:17] <Walzmyn> shadeslayer: i'm trying to get a for loop to look at both .JPG and .jpg - not having any luck
[21:17] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: um,C++ ?
[21:18] <indystorm> no.s???
[21:18] <Walzmyn> shadeslayer: just a bash script
[21:18] <indystorm> whats a no.s?
[21:18] <donnybrasco> according to this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-948475.html it seems that the STA driver is the one to try
[21:18] <comawhite> shadeslayer: was trying to do it without compiling ;)
[21:18] <shadeslayer> indystorm: numbers
[21:19] <shadeslayer> comawhite: no idea
[21:19] <Walzmyn> shadeslayer: " for pic in *.jpg " but I have a mix of files named .jpg and .JPG
[21:19] <indystorm> ok cool that worked! thanks... now how do I close out of a window? lol
[21:20] <shadeslayer> indystorm: /part or /q
[21:20] <indystorm> nice
[21:20] <ngirard> donnybrasco: i'd say try both :)
[21:20] <shadeslayer>  /q is for query
[21:20] <shadeslayer> Walzmyn: no idea on that one
[21:21] <Walzmyn> shadeslayer: ok
[21:24] <indystor1> hey so I am using irssi now, and I'm logged onto freenode here--- how do I logon to dalnet at the same time? I typed in /connect irc.dal.net and it says connection refused
[21:25] <shadeslayer> indystorm: thats a n/w problem,not a irssi problem
[21:26] <indystor1> no it's not because it won't let me conenct to any other server either.
[21:27] <shadeslayer> indystor1: works here
[21:27] <indystor1> and you typed /connect irc.dal.net ? nothing else?
[21:28] <shadeslayer> indystor1: yep
[21:29] <shadeslayer> heck i copied the command from you
[21:30] <indystor1> damn something it wrong here
[21:31] <carpii_> how do I tell KDE 3.5 to treat all .tpl files as html?   KDevelop opens around 90% of tpl files as html, but others it treats as text. Im told its KDE which dictates this, not KDevelop
[21:31] <Ky|e> ./server irc.dal.net
[21:33] <shadeslayer> bye all
[21:36] <kaddi> hello :)
[21:40] <kaddi> i can change brightness on jaunty with the 6.28 kernel, but not with the 6.30 kernel. Is there anything I can try to fix this, or should I just file a bugreport? (and against what package would I file it?)
[21:59] <Nampat> ngirard: do you know how to disable desktop effects or not? :) ....I was away for a while
[22:01] <avihayb> Nampat: kwin's effects?
[22:04] <DaskreeCH> Nampat: temp disable is alt+Shift+F12
[22:04] <Nampat> tnx ;)
[22:05]  * kaddi really needs to get rid of the "temp"-highlight :/
[22:06] <avihayb> DaskreeCH: alt-shift-f12 seems to only work when reanableing effects
[22:06] <DaskreeCH> avihayb: No it disables it as well
[22:07] <avihayb> doesn't work on bouth my systems
[22:10] <avihayb> I'd like to know a solution too
[22:11] <DaskreeCH> What does it do for you?
[22:11] <blocktree> hi guys, should I expect some problems when upgrading jaunty to KDE 4.3 from a backports?
[22:12] <avihayb> nothing, nothing at all
[22:12] <DaskreeCH> So Ctrl+F9 works?
[22:12] <DaskreeCH> blocktree: I think that X dies part way
[22:12] <avihayb> ctrl-f9 does present.
[22:12] <DaskreeCH> blocktree: I normally Kill X and update fully from the CLI anyway
[22:13] <DaskreeCH> avihayb: Then Alt+Shift+F12 -> Ctrl+F9 still works ?
[22:13] <avihayb> I'm useing a fresh install 8.10, and imidiate upgrade to 9.04
[22:13] <DaskreeCH> avihayb: Then insta upgrade to 9.10
[22:13] <DaskreeCH> Then 10.04 supa-pre alpha!
[22:13] <DaskreeCH> It's madness!
[22:13] <avihayb> :->
[22:14] <blocktree> DaskreeCH: sounds good to me. Did you have any other problems? Is it worth to doing it rather that wait ?
[22:14] <avihayb> well, I guess I can upgrade it to cutting edge, but I'm not useing it enough to be a usefull source of information
[22:14] <DaskreeCH> blocktree: You mean wait for 9.10 ?
[22:15] <blocktree> DaskreeCH: yes
[22:15] <DaskreeCH> blocktree: Well how bad do you want KDE 4.3 ?
[22:15] <avihayb> blocktree: and how stable do you need your OS?
[22:16] <baconomas> alguien que hable en español
[22:16] <baconomas> ??
[22:16] <kaddi> !es ...| baconomas
[22:16] <kaddi> !es | baconomas
[22:16] <blocktree> DaskreeCH: that is what I'm trying to find out. I'm more into bug fixes rather then new functionalities
[22:17] <DaskreeCH> blocktree: Then hang around on 4.2
[22:18] <DaskreeCH> Huge number of new features in 4.3 which always means new bugs introduced. Those will get addressed at the end of each month with bug fixes but if you don't care about any of the new features then wait it out
[22:18] <DaskreeCH> By the time Kubuntu Koala ships then there will be maybe two bug fixe releases out
[22:19] <blocktree> DaskreeCH: OK. I think that is what I'll do... thank you
[22:23] <DaskreeCH> blocktree: Kinda fun to meet someone who doesn't care about the new features :)
[22:25] <blocktree> DaskreeCH: I'm still doing most of my stuff from a command line and still find it faster :-)
[22:27] <DaskreeCH> Yeah I'm a CLI junkie but I still have KDE4.X+1 Envy :-) New features are always way interesting
[22:28] <blocktree> DaskreeCH: I used to use a debian and that was enough for me. The only pain I have with kubuntu/ubuntu that it does not support my mic. I have reported this as a bug and now it sits there for long time already :-)
[22:28] <blocktree> DaskreeCH: so many features and no time to explore them :-)
[22:29] <DaskreeCH> blocktree: Where doesn't it support it? Drivers or sound layer?
[22:29] <DaskreeCH> blocktree: I know! that's why I beta test KDE and Kubuntu ;-) So I can selfishly have more time with the sweet features :)
[22:30] <blocktree> DaskreeCH: I'm not sure... let me find the bug report..
[22:31] <blocktree> DaskreeCH: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/374017
[22:32] <DaskreeCH> blocktree: Hit up #alsa and see if they can give a helpful hand
[22:33] <blocktree> DaskreeCH: this might be good idea.. :-))
[22:36] <kaddi> i can change brightness on jaunty with the 6.28 kernel, but not with the 6.30 kernel. Is there anything I can try to fix this, or should I just file a bugreport? (and against what package would I file it?)
[22:36] <DaskreeCH> kaddi: probably powermanager
[22:37] <DaskreeCH> UNless it's the driver for your monitor
[22:37] <DaskreeCH> I don't know if that's kernel or X
[22:37] <DaskreeCH> but I would suspect powermanager
[22:38] <kaddi> me neither.. but to my knowledge I only have one version of x installed on my system, so I guess it's either x-kernel communication or the kernel itself that is to blame
[22:39] <cinex> i tryed connecting to my wifes pc, the fingerprint doesnt match
[22:39] <cinex> any advise/info ?
[22:39] <cinex> how do i tell if its her machine or not ?
[22:40] <cinex> its a new ip
[22:43] <drvoodoo> cinex: ssh?
[22:44] <cinex> ya
[22:45] <blocktree> DaskreeCH:#alsa is in the deep sleep now :-))
[22:45] <DaskreeCH> cinex: The IP is probably the problem
[22:45] <drvoodoo> there is a file ~/.ssh/known_hosts you must delete the corresponding line in this file
[22:46] <DaskreeCH> blocktree:  OK :-)
[22:46] <cinex> kk
[22:46] <cinex> thankyou
[22:47] <kaddi> if you want to check if the new key is the same that the PC you are trying to connect to has, you can try ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key.pub on the pc you try to connect to
[22:47] <drvoodoo> in the error you get, ssh told you which line it is. attention, the counting starts by 0 in this file
[22:47] <cinex>  the pc is in a diff country
[22:47] <kaddi> ah, sry I read that it was in the next room
[22:47] <cinex> i wish it was
[22:48] <DaskreeCH> cinex: can they confirm it's a new IP ?
[22:48] <cinex> yep, it changed
[22:48] <cinex> matches the one in gmail too
[22:48] <cinex> (gmail account usage)
[22:48] <kaddi> still if you accept the key now and check the fingerprint afterwards you can at least be sure, that the connection wasn't intercepted, though you still don't know if it is the right pc
[22:49] <cinex> the files are right, its an obscure port etc etc
[22:51] <kaddi> cinex well if you aren't worried that the connection might be unsafe it should be fine just to replace the line in known_hosts
[22:52] <ner0x> How can I tell where my hardware was installed to. Which /dev I mean. Fax modem.
[22:53] <DaskreeCH> cinex: nonstandard port is a smart move :)
[22:53] <DaskreeCH> ner0x: look at /dev Though if it's a port it's probably mapped to a raw lpn
[22:54] <DaskreeCH> like /dev/lp3 or some such
[22:54] <drvoodoo> ok, kaddi is right in the security matter. i work with ssh only in my homenetwork, so i'm not so sensitized on that
[22:55] <drvoodoo> so, i go to bed, work tomorrow, neight
[22:55] <jinzougen> Hey, I'm trying to rip a dvd and I've downloaded pretty much every software I can: k9copy, handbrake, ogmrip, thoggen... And all of them fail to read the drive. I don't believe it's an issue with either one of them but rather something with kubuntu not giving the programs permission or something....
[22:56] <ner0x> DaskreeCH: There are no tell tale signs of any of the tty's being it.
[22:56] <jinzougen> I have libdvdcss2 installed, and media players like kaffeine can play the dvd just fine.
[22:56] <DaskreeCH> jinzougen: Run them with sudo then?
[22:56] <jinzougen> Oh, I take that back kaffeine can't read it
[22:57] <jinzougen> Has an encryption error
[22:57] <jinzougen> So it has something to do with libdvdcss, maybe the ripping programs aren't using the library?
[22:58] <cinex> DaskreeCH: I got fed up of seeing warnings about bots trying stupid logind all the while lol
[22:58] <DaskreeCH> cinex: So it's also restful :)
[22:58] <cinex> yep :)
[22:59] <jinzougen> whoa
[22:59] <jinzougen> So I ran the shell program that kaffeine told me to run to install libdvdcss, and now kaffeine can play the dvd... AND it seems that ogmrip can read it too now...
[23:00] <jinzougen> I installed libdvdcss via aptitude alreday though
[23:00] <jinzougen> why would there be a difference?
[23:03] <kaddi> can I query the version of a kernel that is not running at the moment? kind of like uname -a just for a kernel that isn't runnign?
[23:04] <DaskreeCH> kaddi: Why would you bother the name of the kernel file is the name of the kernel
[23:05] <kaddi> yeah, I just noticed when I did a apt-cache policy :)
[23:14] <slow-motion> n8
[23:21] <Sevis> Anyone have any idea what the "memmory test" utility tests for?
[23:22] <kaddi> the one you see in your boot menu?
[23:22] <Sevis> Yes.
[23:22] <Sevis> (on live boot disks, that is)
[23:23] <kaddi> It tests your RAM
[23:23] <avihayb> it tryes to read and write to your memory, every byte of it
[23:23] <Sevis> Aha... And the fact it shows as all red is pretty bad, no?
[23:24] <avihayb> umm... no, not at all!
[23:24] <Sevis> Oh, and that once in a while, instead of the chart, it should lots of random signs.
[23:24]  * avihayb whistels nonchelantly
[23:25] <kaddi> red is an alarm color it rarely means anything good.. but I havent used memtest in a while...
[23:25] <Sevis> Well, thing is, this RAM is just out of the box.
[23:25] <douglask> Adding Canadian cities to the LCD weather widget doesn't seem to work. ... anyone with an idea on how to get it going?  I'm running Kubuntu Jaunty.
[23:25] <Sevis> Two plates of it... Both messed up? Just my luck.
[23:26] <avihayb> if you belive it to be a memory problem, and you have spare memory sticks... or if you have two, you can try useing only one
[23:26] <douglask> sevis ... could it be an iffy connection to the mobo?
[23:26] <Sevis> Ouch. Now, it's coming alll over the screen, those random signs.
[23:26] <Sevis> Well, this is fun to watch...
[23:27] <kaddi> hehehe
[23:27] <avihayb> well, you can also watch movies in VLC useing the text render system, it's rather nice.
[23:28] <Sevis> I have the urge to blame the mobo.
[23:28] <Sevis> Asus M4A78
[23:29] <kaddi> Sevis http://memtest86.com/ that is the homepage of the memtest, maybe you can find your errors there.. As said, I'm not really familiar with it :/
[23:30] <douglask> Sevis: if you can take your ram to another mobo and test it there it would be good.
[23:31] <Sevis> I'll see if I can simply hand it in somewhere, I've got the feeling that having to take the thing apart another few times will make me hate it forever.
[23:31] <Sevis> And I generally dislike using computers I have a love/hate relationship with.
[23:31] <kaddi> hehe
[23:31] <Sevis> I get the feeling it's staring at me and thinking "Haha, I made you waste two days of your life getting me to work!"
[23:32] <kaddi> what made you run the test? Have you run the PC with the new RAM?
[23:32] <kaddi> because if it is running fine ... "never change a running system" ;)
[23:32] <Sevis> My old system mysteriously died, starting to give I/O errors on all media.
[23:33] <Sevis> So I got myself a shiny new motherboard, processor, RAM and cooler (and now also got a new power supply, because as soon as I set it up, it started failing again).
[23:34] <kaddi> hmm :/ cant help you with that.. not a hardware expert at all
[23:35] <Sevis> Neither am I :( If I'd have to spend a day installing the system, I'd be much happier.
[23:36] <Sevis> By the way, the memtest looks pretty much like one of those "three and a half hours to nuclear mushroom" timers, are you sure it can't go rogue and eat my cookies?
[23:36] <kaddi> no, it only eats cake :p
[23:36] <Sevis> Does this server have a #hardware channel?
[23:37]  * kaddi clickas
[23:37] <kaddi> *clicks
[23:37] <kaddi> looks like there is :p
[23:37] <Sevis> (I suppose #roguememorytests is too much to ask for)
[23:37] <Sevis> Ooh, let's see..
[23:54] <ner0x> Anyone familiar with fax modems?