[00:00] <Q-FUNK> it usually works, but some packages whose e.g. config files format or location, changed need some manual fixing afterwards
[00:01] <Q-FUNK> and it takes more time to fix those that to reinstall from scratch and then populate /home from backup copies.
[00:01] <kklimonda> exactly
[00:03] <Q-FUNK> hence why a good external USB 2.0 hard-disk is probably the best investment anyone whose life depends upon a computer can ever make! :)
[00:05] <Q-FUNK> it's fairly straightforward to use e.g. bacula or a home-brewn rsync recipe to regularly update the backup copy of /home on the external disk and be able to quickly re-install from scratch if necessary.
[00:06] <DanaG> USB 2.0 sucks.
[00:06] <DanaG> Even Firewire 400 is better.
[00:06] <DanaG> And eSATA owns both.
[00:06] <DanaG> s/o/p/g
[00:07] <BUGabundo> e-sata is broken :(
[00:07] <Q-FUNK> btw, does anyone feel like doing some bug hunting?  I found a nice apt-get recipe that makes a whole nice bunch of dependency recursions appear :)
[00:08] <Q-FUNK> so far, it already made it apparent that reinstalling libc and bash, then ifupdown and netbase, is impossible, because of recursions in either Depends/Recommends or in init scripts.
[00:08] <Q-FUNK> and those are already failry basic packages
[00:09] <DanaG> eSATA works for me, aside from demanding authentication to mount it.
[00:10] <Q-FUNK> sudo apt-get --reinstall --ignore-missing install $(dpkg --get-selections | cut -f 1)
[00:10] <Q-FUNK> that single line is probably one of the most efficient bug hunting tool I've found in a long, long time.
[00:11]  * DanaG would do it with aptitude reinstall, but same end result.
[00:11] <Q-FUNK> DanaG: aptitude is unable to ignore missing packages
[00:12] <DanaG> oh, you mean like missing deb files... or packages that no longer exist?
[00:12] <Q-FUNK> packages that no longer exist, were manually installed from 3rd-party sources, etc.
[00:13] <Q-FUNK> anything that it cannot fond from repositories currently defined in /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:13] <Q-FUNK> öö.. find
[00:15] <Q-FUNK> btw, if you have 'insserv' installed, beware:  the above line reveals even more packaging bugs than normal.
[00:15] <DanaG> what's insserv?
[00:16] <DanaG> !info insserv
[00:41] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugReportersStrike
[00:41] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOLOL
[00:42] <BUGabundo> will this even work??
[00:49] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it could be troublesome if enough people were to do it..
[00:49] <BUGabundo> bzr commit -m '* good-bye "Multisearch"; we remove our karmic alpha3 experiment called
[00:50] <BUGabundo> ahhahaahahaah
[00:50] <kklimonda> especially for us, volunteer triagers who has nothing to say
[00:50] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I (still) love Ubuntu very much to do that
[00:50] <BUGabundo> I've been hit in the back several times by the design team
[00:50] <BUGabundo> but love this project too much to leave it right now
[00:50] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: my/our perspective may be wrong as we use irc and have a pretty good contact with core developers
[00:50] <bjsnider> much ado about nothing
[00:51] <bjsnider> who bloody cares what the default shiretoko home page is
[00:51] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: can you imagine?
[00:51] <BUGabundo> if we would *really* did a strike?
[00:51] <BUGabundo> for 1 month
[00:51] <BUGabundo> ahah
[00:52] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: we as in all volunteers or all bug reporters? ;)
[00:52] <scizzo-> strange never thought about those things
[00:52] <kklimonda> neither did I
[00:52] <kklimonda> but it's offtopic
[00:52]  * scizzo- feels monitored
[00:52] <BUGabundo> *we* volunteers here in the #
[00:52] <BUGabundo> we are the best part of the devel cycel
[00:52] <kklimonda> so let's go to the -offtopic if you want to follow this topic (It's kinda interesting)
[00:52] <BUGabundo> its thanks to us that Ubuntu shappes up for release
[00:52] <BUGabundo> ohh
[00:52] <BUGabundo> to noisy there
[00:53] <BUGabundo> and I'm sleeper
[00:53] <kklimonda> not really
[00:53] <kklimonda> :D
[00:53]  * BUGabundo tries OT
[00:53]  * BUGabundo joins #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:56] <spO> what is used to install .dsc files?
[00:58] <bjsnider> dpkg-source -x
[01:05] <bjsnider> dpkg-source -x file.dsc
[01:06] <Q-FUNK> spO: *.dsc files don't get installed. they are source code components.
[01:07] <Q-FUNK> doing the command that bjsnider described above just unpacks the source code for a debianized package.
[01:10] <BUGabundo> bed time
[01:10] <BUGabundo> bye
[01:34] <shadowh511> hey
[01:34] <shadowh511> I have trouble under karmic with my atheros wifi card
[01:41] <DanaG> weird. the grub gfxmenu thing is dog-slow.
[01:41] <DanaG> It continually repaints the screen.... and each time it repaints, it takes 1.5 seconds or so to do so.
[01:45] <kklimonda> gnome shell got uploaded to universe
[01:45] <kklimonda> works pretty well compared to the last time i've checked it out
[01:47] <spO> upgrading to karmic broke my system
[01:48] <spO> i hope you guys are happy now
[01:48] <kklimonda> we live to serve ;)
[02:02] <djdarkman> hello, I upgraded to karmic and my xorg.conf looks incompatible, how do I recreate it to a karmic compatible version?
[02:03] <djdarkman> GDM flickers
[02:03] <kklimonda> heh, I just saw evolution taking 9999% of cpu in top..
[02:04] <kklimonda> djdarkman: it may be some bug in gdm or xsplash or few other things and not necessarily a problem with your xorg.conf
[02:07] <djdarkman> well probably gdm kklimonda, because when I logged in it still flickered, but I went into the Display, and pushed apply, and the flicker was gone, but if I restart GDM still flickers until I log in
[02:07] <djdarkman> * GDM login
[02:11] <djdarkman> hmmm netbook launcher crashes an awfull lot of times
[02:32] <hggdh> er. How does one change the sounds for Gnome (for example, the sound for <shudder> window closing)? Sounds Preferences only allows me to enable/disable windows sounds, and select a theme, but not to change specific entries
[02:33] <J-_> Is there anyway to get the regular sound preferences applet back?
[02:33] <hggdh> good question, methinks
[02:33] <J-_> Heh. Pretty well the same question. :P
[02:40] <kklimonda> heh, gnome-shell is roasting my cpu and gpu :/
[02:41] <hggdh> J-_, that's why :-)
[02:41] <J-_> hggdh, hrm?
[02:41] <hggdh> kklimonda, in my case it was gnome-do. Roasting *all* CPUs
[02:42] <hggdh> your question vs mine
[02:45] <kklimonda> huh, any idea how to bring back any WM when I kill the last one?
[02:46] <kklimonda> in the past I could just switch to tty and do DISPLAY=:0 metacity
[02:46] <kklimonda> but now it doesn't work
[02:50] <J-_> I guess I'm going to try Fedora
[02:51] <J-_> I don't like this, same old stuff. Different release.
[03:00] <hggdh> even metacity --replace & ?
[03:00] <hggdh> (which is I need to do right now. Well, not metacity, but compiz)
[03:09] <kklimonda> hggdh: from tty I was geting "Unknown protocol" or something like that
[03:09] <kklimonda> hggdh: and when WM isn't running you can't use keyboard at all
[03:09] <kklimonda> in X session
[03:10] <kklimonda> even "No protocol specified"
[03:11] <kklimonda> heh, totem has crashed and new apport dialog is displayed
[03:11] <kklimonda> "How would you describe the issue?"
[03:11] <kklimonda> "interface is not working correctly"
[03:11] <kklimonda> "no sound is being played"
[03:12] <kklimonda> "some audio/video files are not being played correctly"
[03:12] <kklimonda> how am I supposed to choose from those options? :)
[03:12] <kklimonda> i guess it's the first one..
[03:13] <hggdh> :-)
[03:13] <hggdh> isn't there a "lost windows"?
[03:15] <kklimonda> heh, no wonder I'm so sensitive about those _XError() crashes - I get one every day :/
[03:17] <kklimonda> I've never got them before so something is definitely odd but seb128 said that the number of those reports isn't high enough to panic..
[03:25] <billybigrigger> how is everyone
[03:28] <billybigrigger> anyone here have any suggestions for the best possible way to backup an entire harddisk?
[03:29] <billybigrigger> my ma needs to send hers in for a new backlight, so i thought i'd back it up for her first, and to be honest have never done a backup in *nix
[03:29] <billybigrigger> i was thinking dd but dont know what to output it to, as in dd if=/dev/hdd of=?????
[03:30] <kklimonda> billybigrigger: if all you need is backup data and you don't care about all metadata (permissions etc.) then use tar
[03:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, instead of dd, I use gddrescue -- it figures out optimal block size on its own.
[03:32] <DanaG> You can just 'dd' it to a file.
[03:32] <DanaG> ... on a drive that has the room for it, of course.
[03:33] <DanaG> It's not the most elegant or efficient, but it's the easiest to recover from.
[03:39] <DanaG> hmm, my eSATA drive gives me this: powered on: unknown.  temperature: unknown.
[03:42] <kklimonda> DanaG: drive itself or some userspace program?
[03:42] <DanaG> Anyway, I do know that the drive enclosure has a SATA-to-SATA bridge.
[03:43] <DanaG> so, palimpsest (HORRIBLE name, by the way!) and smartmontools can't read SMART info from it.
[03:43] <DanaG> The only thing that CAN read it, is "hdd sentinel".
[03:43] <kklimonda> palimprest is an awesome name ;}
[03:44] <kklimonda> j/k - seriously, why couldn't they just call it gnome-disk-utility or -tools..
[03:44] <DanaG> yeah.
[03:44] <DanaG> I installed the package, and then tried to run gnome-disk-utility...
[03:44] <DanaG> doesn't exist -- wtf?
[03:44] <DanaG> =þ
[03:44] <DanaG> I had to dpkg --listfiles to find it.
[03:45] <kklimonda> yeah
[03:46] <kklimonda> exactly how I've found it..
[03:46] <DanaG> sata-to-sata bridge... stupid.  =þ
[03:46] <kklimonda> sounds.. pointless
[03:48] <DanaG> http://forums.storagereview.net/lofiversion/index.php/t27446.html
[03:50] <mpontillo> the way I understand it, you'd want a sata-to-sata bridge only if the enclosure allowed other interconnect types - for example, usb... ex: http://www.initio.com/Html/Doc/INIC-1610%20Product%20Brief.pdf
[03:50] <mpontillo> (the block diagram is useful to understand the use case I think)
[03:54] <kklimonda> great, mutter is leaking memory like a sleve.. 135mb and counting..
[03:56] <DanaG> yeah, it does have USB and FW400.
[03:56] <DanaG> oh, and a different thing: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=5140699
[04:03] <J-_> Is there anyway to make the volume for audio not so sensative?
[04:04] <J-_> sensitive*
[04:05] <kklimonda> not really, I hear almost nothing in my laptop speakers when volume is down to 40%
[04:05] <kklimonda> even 50 according to the alsamixer
[04:06] <kklimonda> unleass that's not what you've asked about..
[04:06] <J-_> sigh. I'm at like 3% volume, and it's at normal listening for me, if I use the volume button on my laptop, or the slider just move it a tick, it's just overbearing.
[04:06] <|ns|nR8> there is 2 volume controls to adjust..PCM and master
[04:07] <|ns|nR8> turn PCM down and master wont go so loud
[04:07] <billybigrigger> kklimonda, DanaG sorry i stepped out for a minute there
[04:07] <kklimonda> |ns|nR8: they are now connected
[04:07] <billybigrigger> what is the best backup options i have?
[04:07] <J-_> There's no way to download PCM
[04:07] <billybigrigger> its a windows laptop drive
[04:07] <billybigrigger> i just want a backup of the files, mostly the new nephew's pictures and resumes and such
[04:08] <J-_> Unless there's another applet somewhere
[04:08] <kklimonda> billybigrigger: how much data are we talking about?
[04:08] <billybigrigger> kklimonda, the whole drive, 100gb
[04:08] <billybigrigger> i have plenty of space to backup the whole drive
[04:08] <|ns|nR8> right click on volume control, select open volume control
[04:08] <|ns|nR8> J-_, that was for you
[04:08] <billybigrigger> acer shouldn't even touch the drive, its the just the backlight being replaced, but just in case
[04:09] <J-_> |ns|nR8, Yeah, the last response I said was for you, too. :)
[04:09] <kklimonda> |ns|nR8: new mixer doesn't really let you to choose between Master and PCM
[04:09] <J-_> I wish it did.
[04:09] <billybigrigger> and its a sata disk so backing it up should be fairly painless
[04:09] <kklimonda> billybigrigger: do you want to make a 1:1 copy so you can restore it later?
[04:10] <kklimonda> billybigrigger: or do you just want to copy files so they are safe?
[04:10] <billybigrigger> kklimonda, well that would be my only option wouldn't it?
[04:10] <billybigrigger> kklimonda, i don't want to pick through and backup single files, because technically acer shouldn't even touch the drive
[04:10] <Tekno> morning
[04:10] <kklimonda> billybigrigger: then go with gddrescue
[04:10] <billybigrigger> i don't mind letting it sit there and backup 100gb all night, because i'll probably end up deleting it when the laptop is returned
[04:11] <kklimonda> billybigrigger: it will create a 1:1 copy of disk so you can later do anything you like with it
[04:11] <billybigrigger> right on
[04:11] <J-_> what's that terminal volume applet called?
[04:11] <DanaG> dd it to some file.
[04:12] <billybigrigger> kklimonda, gddresuce = gtk frontend for dd?
[04:12] <DanaG> nope, it'
[04:12] <DanaG> it's a revision on ddrescue.
[04:12] <DanaG> ddrescue stops at bad areas, and tries to recover them...
[04:12] <kklimonda> J-_: try searching for volume in add applet window
[04:12] <DanaG> gddrescue realizes that's stupid on a failing drive... it skips them, and comes back.
[04:12] <kklimonda> but it may be gone already
[04:13] <kklimonda> hmm.. I kinda like gnome-shell already
[04:13] <billybigrigger> gddrescue:
[04:13] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 1.2-1.3
[04:13] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@cabo:~/debian$ gddrescue
[04:13] <billybigrigger> No command 'gddrescue' found, did you mean:
[04:13] <J-_> kklimonda, Yeah, it's deprecated, and when added, it doesn't function.
[04:13] <kklimonda> billybigrigger: dpkg -L gddrescue
[04:14] <billybigrigger> oh, the command is ddrescue
[04:14] <J-_> it looks like they're trying to get rid of PCM. If that's the case, I'm going to be pissed because I've always had problems with volume since Gutsy or around here. PCM let me adjust accordingly, and it worked out perfect with MASTER.
[04:15] <bjsnider> J-_, what kind of sound hardware is this?
[04:15] <billybigrigger> brb need to install this desk
[04:15] <billybigrigger> disk
[04:17] <J-_> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller
[04:18] <bjsnider> i'm not sure what dtchen would say about that, but i can guess
[04:19] <bjsnider> ie., junk, shite, garbage
[04:19] <bjsnider> take your pick
[04:20] <kklimonda> bjsnider: whatever, it's installed in most laptops ;O
[04:20] <kklimonda> ;)
[04:22] <J-_> I'd also think that, having both Output Volume, and <program> volume in the application tab would have separate levels, but they move at the same level when one is moved.
[04:22] <kklimonda> J-_: it's called flat volume
[04:26]  * billybigrigger didn't think this through
[04:26] <billybigrigger> my 1TB raid setup uses 2 sata disks
[04:27] <billybigrigger> notebook hdd is sata
[04:27] <billybigrigger> :P
[04:27] <billybigrigger> was going to backup the disk to the raid array, doh!
[04:28] <kklimonda> billybigrigger: yo could always do it over the network
[04:28] <billybigrigger> kklimonda, could, but i have the disk installed on this system already
[04:28] <billybigrigger> i cleared enough space in my /home
[04:28] <billybigrigger> im good now :P
[04:29] <billybigrigger> will ddrescue back up an entire devblock ? or just partitions?
[04:30] <billybigrigger> kklimonda, any special options i need to set?
[04:30] <billybigrigger> or just let er rip?
[04:30] <billybigrigger> ddrescue /dev/sda1 ~/windows1
[04:31] <billybigrigger> ddrescue /dev/sda2 ~/windows2
[04:31] <billybigrigger> ?
[04:31] <kklimonda> I'd backup whole sda
[04:31] <billybigrigger> so i can backup an entire devblock?
[04:31] <billybigrigger> nice
[04:33] <billybigrigger> output file is a directory
[04:33] <billybigrigger> so .... haha ~/windows/windows?
[04:33] <bjsnider> kklimonda, yes itis installed in most laptops, but dtchen uses an m-audio usb stick that can replace the onboard chip in any computer
[04:33] <billybigrigger> or does the output need an extension
[04:34] <J-_> hrm I'm interested in playing a game of sorts to see how my laptop handles graphics since glxgears is working out at like 3000 FPS, but yeah. "Not a proper benchmark" :P Although in Hardy and below I'd only get like 500-600FPS.
[04:34] <billybigrigger> J-_, phoronix test suite my friend
[04:34] <billybigrigger> if you want graphics benchmarks
[04:34] <kklimonda> bjsnider: I don't like things sticking out of my laptop :)
[04:34] <billybigrigger> J-_, what kind of gfx card?
[04:35] <J-_> GM965
[04:35] <kklimonda> hihi
[04:35]  * J-_ waves
[04:35] <kklimonda> sorry, i couldn't stop myself ;)
[04:35] <J-_> :)
[04:36] <bjsnider> wow, intel double-whammy
[04:36] <billybigrigger> 28276 frames in 5.0 seconds for my 9800GTX+
[04:36] <billybigrigger> not a benchmark i know
[04:36] <bjsnider> that's an ok card
[04:36] <bjsnider> kibnd of overpriced
[04:36] <J-_> 4046 frames in 5.0 seconds -+
[04:36] <billybigrigger> you could get away with playing some games i guess
[04:36] <bjsnider> i'd go down to a 9800 gt or up to a gtx 260
[04:37] <billybigrigger> to be honest i don't even use it
[04:37] <kklimonda> I get 8600 and info about it syncing to my vertical refresh (which is bogus obviously)
[04:37] <kklimonda> but I can't really play anything with it..
[04:37] <DanaG> one thing to try: rss-glx screensavers.
[04:37] <kklimonda> stupid heroes of newerth are slowing down when there is a big fight :/
[04:38] <J-_> command not found.
[04:39] <billybigrigger> DanaG, apt says its the newest version, but rss-glx command not found
[04:39] <billybigrigger> DanaG, nice screensavers?
[04:41] <DanaG> yeah.
[04:42] <DanaG> though they'd be wasteful to have run on "idle".
[04:44] <billybigrigger> can't seem to get them installed :(
[04:48] <DanaG> rss-glx is the package name.
[04:52] <xim_> any major changes in the last two weeks?
[04:53] <billybigrigger> rss-glx is already the newest version
[04:53] <billybigrigger> DanaG, rss-glx screensavers is not found
[04:53] <billybigrigger> rss-glx command not found
[04:54] <DanaG> oh, the commands are actually in /usr/lib/xscreensaver
[04:54] <DanaG> there's flux and skyrocket and euphoria and solarwinds and such.
[04:54] <billybigrigger> which ones are from the rss-glx package?
[04:59] <DanaG> dpkg --listfiles rss-glx
[05:03] <billybigrigger> will ddrescue copy the entire 160gb ntfs device?
[05:03] <billybigrigger> or just the data?
[05:03] <J-_> Or you could just go into System > Preferences > Screensavers. :P
[05:04] <J-_> I had a bug with one, it's already reported
[05:04] <J-_> I think it was with flux
[05:04] <DanaG> the "runs at insane-o speed"?
[05:04] <xim_> theres some screensavers that arent in /usr/lib/xscreensaver but still show up in the list
[05:05] <xim_> i always go in and delete the crappy ones
[05:05] <xim_> but theres a few left over
[05:05] <roxan> what is the page from where I can see all the alpha, beta and rc release of karmic
[05:06] <J-_> Does the current setup of Karmic use Pulseaudio?
[05:07] <J-_> I'm just wondering if I should try to delete the pulseaudio config in my mpd.conf to see if the volume works any better
[05:07] <J-_> The volume on Sonata doesn't even work.
[05:07] <J-_> So I'm guessing it isn't using Pulse atm
[05:08] <J-_> !info mpd
[05:21] <J-_> I guess I'll try KDE4.3
[05:57] <spO> i tried to do a fresh install of alpha 3, but it just stayed at 5% while formating/installing the os
[08:09] <J-_> Is there anyway to get rid of gnome and have pure kde? Does !purekde work in karmic?
[08:31] <mac_v> !grub2
[09:25] <Twigaathy> ooo, nice.... mdadm 3.1 is going to have raid1 -> 5 and 5 -> 6 migration, with support for continuing if there's a failure in the middle of it all
[09:25] <Twigaathy> s'pretty cool... =)
[09:35] <niekie> Twigaathy: nice.
[09:38] <Twigaathy> I don't think it'll be out for ubuntu+1, maybe for +1+1 though :D
[09:38] <Twigaathy> unless someone packages the pre-release version of mdadm :)
[09:51] <tgpraveen1> does karmic koala have any app installed by default to open epub books
[09:52] <tgpraveen1> or any apps in repos to open the files of that format
[09:52] <tgpraveen1> coz epub was supposed to be a open format for ebooks or soemthing
[10:25] <virtuald> i was playing a tune in spotify, and pidgin made a someone's online sound, and wine immediately went quiet
[10:26] <virtuald> and has to be restarted to play anything
[10:27] <virtuald> i think i'm going oss4 soon
[10:39] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  I'm wondering what is the correct syntax for declaring the framebuffer size on grub cmdline, these days?  vga=794 no longer works, it seems.  have we reverted to Hex values again or am I missing a kernel module?
[10:39] <J-_> Will !purekde work with KDE4.3 in karmic?
[10:59] <RAOF> Q-FUNK: It certainly has changed; I'm not sure what supplications our new KMS overlords require.
[11:02] <rleeds> Is the icon that popped up in my notification tray today to tell me my disk has bad sectors new?
[11:02] <rleeds> Or are the bad sectors just new?
[11:04] <nperry> Weird, sound plays through firefox but not using moc :s
[11:05] <s0u][ight> alpha 4 not released yet?
[11:05] <richardcavell> rleeds: did you just update your karmic?
[11:05] <rleeds> richardcavell, yes
[11:05] <richardcavell> s0u][ight: no
[11:06] <richardcavell> rleeds: I don't know anything about it.  I wouldn't believe the report, though
[11:06] <richardcavell> Karmic has enough bugs that I wouldn't trust any status report
[11:08] <Q-FUNK> RAOF: KMS hasn't been ported to every graphic hardware out there, though.
[11:10] <RAOF> Q-FUNK: Right.  But I think the framebuffer code _is_.
[11:11] <Q-FUNK> for instance, the Geode hardware isn't supported by KMS.
[11:11] <mac_v> !grub2 | Q-FUNK
[11:11] <Q-FUNK> mac_v: and exactly how is grub2 supposed to magically make KMS supported on Geode?
[11:12] <mac_v> Q-FUNK: AFAIK , if it aint in the wiki , it aint supported
[11:12] <Q-FUNK> you're not answering the question. what was the point of this grub2 link?
[11:13] <mac_v> Q-FUNK: "I'm wondering what is the correct syntax for declaring the framebuffer size on grub cmdline, these days?  vga=794 no longer works," for that
[11:13] <Q-FUNK> mac_v: that says nothing about what bootloader I use.
[11:14] <mac_v> Q-FUNK: oh , are you using grub? and not grub2
[11:14] <Q-FUNK> yup.
[11:15] <mac_v> !grub
[11:15]  * richardcavell is frustrated that Karmic is not giving sound on MacBook
[11:16] <Q-FUNK> I know grub syntax, thanks.  the exact format of the vga= string has changed a lot between kernel releases, though.
[11:16] <Q-FUNK> ah, it appears that the solution is to comment vesafb out in blacklist-frambuffer.conf
[11:16] <mac_v> Q-FUNK: "vga=" is not necessary
[11:16] <mac_v> yeah that too^
[11:16] <Q-FUNK> grmbl.  this used to be compiled into the kernel
[11:17] <Q-FUNK> mac_v: and exactly how are you supposed to request a specific framebuffer size+depth without that vga=795 fragment?
[11:20] <mac_v> Q-FUNK: it is supposed to detect on its onw, you dont need to specify... are you having problems if not specified?
[11:20] <mac_v> own*
[11:25] <dupondje> any plans when burning apps will be fixed on Karmic ? Its still unpossible to burn anything :(
[11:26] <richardcavell> dupondje: English isn't your first language, is it?
[11:26] <dupondje> indeed :P
[11:26] <richardcavell> dupondje: that's okay.  My French sucks
[11:28] <mac_v> richardcavell: my australian sucks ;)
[11:29] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/397776
[11:29] <dupondje> this is like important no ?
[11:29] <richardcavell> mac_v: You know, when I update Karmic (or Jaunty), it tries to download Australian English translations, and it doesn't have any
[11:29] <dupondje> can't burn a thing with Ubuntu :s
[11:32] <mac_v> dupondje: those are know issues with brasero , i'm not sure of the exact bug#
[11:32] <mac_v> check lp
[11:41] <Q-FUNK> mac_v: it will not detect on its own on a platform to which KMS has not been ported.
[11:42] <mac_v> Q-FUNK: oh... didnt know ... sorry
[11:43] <Q-FUNK> np :)
[11:43] <Q-FUNK> most AGP cards on the market and a few older ones have been ported to KMS.  non-AGP and older cards have not been ported.
[11:45] <EagleScreen> is possible to use xorg.conf in karmic?
[11:45] <Q-FUNK> EagleScreen: AFAIK it's still possible, though usually not needed.
[12:13] <diverse_izzue> my karmic doesn't activate the screen saver, even though it is configured to do so. does yours?
[12:49] <dholbach> Packaging Training Session "On-Call Review" with cjwatson, seb128, james_w and me in 12m in #ubuntu-classroom
[12:50] <pavkamlc> Ive problem with gdm. No possible to unglock radiobuttons in gdmsetup. Any solution?
[12:55] <oldman_> portmap / rpcinfo / nfs seem to have broken on my last karmic updates
[12:55] <oldman_> `rpcinfo -p` just hangs there :(
[12:55] <oldman_> and similarly nfs-common's rpc.statd cannot start up as it times out registerinfg
[12:55] <|ns|nR8> maybe you shouldnt be such a hacker then oldman_
[12:55] <oldman_> heh
[12:56] <|ns|nR8> joking buddy
[12:56] <|ns|nR8> yeah looks like it will be a mess till beta
[12:56] <|ns|nR8> again
[12:57] <oldman_> oh ok, hadn't spotted any bugs filed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/portmap
[12:58] <oldman_> heh
[13:37] <maxb> A quick request for anyone with a running karmic system with an uptime of at least 24 hours - please could you run "ps -efH" and see if you have a run-parts process with a defunct logrotate child hanging around? Thanks
[13:39] <kklimonda> maxb: yes
[13:40] <maxb> step 2 - does the logrotate go away and your cron.daily run continue if you "invoke-rc.d rsyslog reload" ?
[13:41] <kklimonda> yes
[13:42] <maxb> riiiiight. bit of a comedy bug there. /me reports
[13:47] <pcbuilder97> anybody know if the floppy drive issues were fixed yet?
[13:52] <maxb> kklimonda: LP 413023 ftr
[14:02] <MementoMori> hi
[14:02] <MementoMori> I'm testing the alpha3 live cd
[14:03] <MementoMori> emphaty is missing the irc support so I can't ask for help from karmic live
[14:03] <MementoMori> and the audio is broken
[14:04] <MementoMori> can you help me fixing the audio problem?
[14:05] <MementoMori> the audio chipset is: ATI IXP SB400 AC'97 (rev 02)
[14:06] <gnomefreak> !sound > MementoMori
[14:09] <MementoMori> gnomefreak: I cant change the audio driver from the sound preferences
[14:10] <gnomefreak> MementoMori: thats not all it says IIRC. i would file a bug and use the script that is mentioned on one of those links
[14:11] <mac_v> !sound > mac_v
[14:12] <MementoMori> gnomefreak: but how can I check if I'm using alsa or pulseaudio?
[14:13] <gnomefreak> as i recall PA uses alsa but the sound dialog should sow you but first start with typing alsamixer in terminal and make sure everything is set right
[14:13] <suit> So.. I got a specifically Kubuntu Karmic related question. Shall I relay it to #ubuntu+1 or #kubuntu? :D
[14:13] <Pici> Here
[14:14] <MementoMori> gnomefreak: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1075893
[14:15] <mac_v> MementoMori: for empathy irc , you have to install telepathy-idle
[14:15] <suit> Alright. As opposed to any other version of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, alpha beta or LTS, Kubuntu Karmic doesn't auto-connect to my router w/ eth0 (wired). However. As soon as I am logged in and type 'sudo dhclient eth0' it works, but running the dhclient command takes about a minute which is mighty annoying. Anyone got input on that?
[14:16] <suit> I realize i can just write a script that runs the command as login but I'd rather solve the problem than to work around it :)
[14:16] <gnomefreak> suit: expect annoying its alpha still, things dont work atm
[14:17] <gnomefreak> suit: you would need a kde perosn for this and one should be around here now but if not someone will pop in sometime
[14:18] <suit> gnomefreak: thanks
[14:18] <gnomefreak> MementoMori: looking at the iwki you gave me did you try the work around?
[14:19] <gnomefreak> s/iwki/wiki
[14:20] <MementoMori> gnomefreak: if you look at post 10 you'll read the problem is supposed to be fixed in karmic. So I don't know which workaround you are referring to.
[14:21] <MementoMori> gnomefreak: anyway the sound is working using the last ubuntu LTS
[14:22] <MementoMori> but from 8.10 to now I hit this problem
[14:22] <Michalxo> hello all! can anyone help me? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1237361
[14:22] <gnomefreak> MementoMori: sure it works in Jaunty too :)
[14:23] <MementoMori> gnomefreak: I tried jaunty but I got this sound problem
[14:27] <rleeds> Michalxo, I would not worry.
[14:27] <rleeds> I updated my karmic yesterday and got the same errors.
[14:28] <Michalxo> so I am right when I am blaming some update to showing the error where is no error :)   (where is the problem?)
[14:28] <rleeds> I don't know where the problem is.
[14:28] <rleeds> Or I would report it as a bug.
[14:28] <rleeds> But I don't believe either of our HDD has bad sectors. I think we are safe.
[14:28] <Michalxo> well.. i did not want to.. but now, when I am not alone :)
[14:29] <Michalxo> is it possible to move thread from answers.launchpad  to bugs.launchapd?
[14:29] <rleeds> You can file a bug and put a link?
[14:29] <Michalxo> ah, fine then
[14:30] <gnomefreak> PA has been on and off problematic its nothing new some people see problems with certain cards (not sure if they are now unsupported or not) i am thankfully not a sound guy :)
[14:30] <Michalxo> thanks for reliefment rleeds :)
[14:30] <rleeds> thank you, too!
[14:30] <gnomefreak> file the bug but use the script on the wiki problems page that the bot gave you
[14:30] <rleeds> I was scared also.
[14:30] <Michalxo> gnomefreak, me?
[14:31] <MementoMori> is the livecd more broken than the full installation?
[14:31] <rleeds> Michalxo, I think he's talking to MementoMori
[14:31] <gnomefreak> Michalxo: sorry no that was for MementoMori
[14:31] <Michalxo> ok :)
[14:31] <gnomefreak> autocompletion error
[14:32] <MementoMori> gnomefreak: ok
[14:34] <MementoMori> gnomefreak: do you mean this script I suppose...  http://alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[14:34] <gnomefreak> MementoMori: yes that looks right
[14:34] <MementoMori> lol
[14:35] <MementoMori> wpa seems to be broken too...
[14:35] <MementoMori> I cant connect to my router!
[14:35] <MementoMori> ;)
[14:35] <Michalxo> rleeds, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/413064 subscribe if you want to
[14:35] <MementoMori> gnomefreak: are you sure the live cd is a good test environment?
[14:36] <rleeds> Michalxo, will do, thanks!
[14:36] <gnomefreak> MementoMori: define good test enviorment
[14:36] <gnomefreak> only spelled right
[14:36] <Michalxo> rleeds, is it you Tilgovi ?
[14:37] <rleeds> Yes.
[14:37] <Michalxo> ok :D
[14:37] <rleeds> Oh...on the forum.
[14:37] <Michalxo> yes
[14:38] <MementoMori> it's difficult to define... let me remake the question: will you suggest anyone to test the hw using the alpha3 live?
[14:38] <Michalxo> MementoMori, I am on alpha 3
[14:38] <Michalxo> it's safe
[14:39] <MementoMori> Michalxo: live or installed and updated?
[14:39] <Michalxo> has some sound issues and little bugs, but it worked ok for me.. liveCD too
[14:39] <Michalxo> installed now..
[14:40] <MementoMori> ok. I'll fill the bug report for the audio and the wireless problem too.
[14:40] <Michalxo> MementoMori, downlaod it, try it, update /upgarde it and you should see ;) you can still reboot :)
[14:40] <MementoMori> thank you very much
[14:40] <gnomefreak> safe isnt the word i would use at all since it only pertains to that person
[14:44] <Michalxo> rleeds, you ahve that koala too, right?
[14:45] <rleeds> Michalxo, yes. Running smoothly on my thinkpad T61.
[14:45] <rleeds> Full updates.
[14:45] <Michalxo> I am experiencing another issue... 1) I am unable to burn dvd/cd
[14:45] <rleeds> ahh
[14:45] <Michalxo> sometimtes I can't physically "umount" dvd/cd
[14:45] <rleeds> I cannot test now, but I did burn many cds a week ago.
[14:45] <rleeds> I did have that problem.
[14:45] <Michalxo> only eject works.. sometimes eject not too
[14:46] <rleeds> Yes. Same here. But only happened once. I have not tested again.
[14:46] <Michalxo> aha
[14:46] <Michalxo> kernel problem? :-/
[14:53] <maxb> Has anyone noticed their trackpad becoming annoyingly less responsive with the last few days of karmic updates>
[14:53] <maxb> ?
[14:53] <rleeds> no
[14:54] <Pici> maxb: You mean not responding to tap-to-click?
[14:54] <maxb> Not this time - this time it's more like the sensitivity being turned down
[14:54] <Pici> No, my sensitivity is fine.
[14:55] <rleeds> maxb: is the sensitivity turned down?
[14:58] <rleeds> The only annoying problem I'm having with karmic these days is that my headphones always start muted.
[15:01] <maxb> It seems less sensitive than it was even with the sensitivity slider at maximum :-/
[15:01] <maxb> oh well
[15:01]  * maxb boots jaunty for comparison
[15:03] <rleeds> Shouldn't alsa-utils restore my sound settings on restart?
[15:03] <rleeds> I'm trying to figure out *why* my headphones are always muted.
[15:36] <JMFTheVCI> since the last batch of updates, my boot progress screen now looks like a TV test card rather than the usual ubuntu boot progress. Why? How can I fix it? The shutdown progress is standard ubuntu.
[15:37] <td123> !topic
[15:38] <JMFTheVCI> td123: you talkin' to me?
[15:43] <td123> JMFTheVCI: yeah
[15:44] <td123> JMFTheVCI: check out launchpad
[15:44] <td123> JMFTheVCI: and provide more informatikon
[15:44] <td123> :s/informatikon/information/
[15:44] <td123> For instance, what packages did you upgrade.
[15:44] <JMFTheVCI> Seriously, I am on topic. This has changed for me in the latest fixes (wednesday) since alpha 3. Can you point me to the launchpad item in question?
[15:45] <JMFTheVCI> td123: 9.10 Aplha 3, Gnome. All fixes including proposed.
[15:46] <td123> JMFTheVCI: yes, but what packages
[15:46] <td123> or did you just hit upgrade blindly :)
[15:47] <JMFTheVCI> I upgrade every package to the latest. What package does the boot load progress screen come in and I will tell you the level.
[15:47] <td123> JMFTheVCI: that doesn't help me
[15:47] <hggdh> td123, per your description, it sounds like usplash
[15:48] <JMFTheVCI> usplash 0.5.33
[15:48] <td123> JMFTheVCI: launchpad.net
[15:48] <hggdh> you can test by rebooting, editing the boot command line, and taking out usplash
[15:49] <hggdh> may be either usplash (I do not use it) or a recent driver update to video
[15:49] <JMFTheVCI> I am seeing a bootsplash screen and a progress bar. It is just not the usual Ubuntu title. I have Intel video
[15:50] <iddo> is there simple way to install gnome3 ?
[15:50] <JMFTheVCI> Intel GM965/GL960
[15:50] <robin0800> JMFTheVCI, There was a new program called xsplash issued yesterday
[15:51] <hggdh> iddo, AFAIK, not fully. But you can install gnome-shell (which should call in all basic needed dependencies)
[15:51] <JMFTheVCI> robin0800: does that replace usplash/
[15:52] <hggdh> bug 410307
[15:52] <robin0800> JMFTheVCI, Don't know but if I do sudo xsplash it locks my system
[15:53] <JMFTheVCI> I don't have xplash installed.
[15:53] <iddo> hggdh: gnome-shell will work in gnome2.8 ?
[15:53] <robin0800> JMFTheVCI, it was an update yesterday
[15:54] <iddo> 2.28 i mean
[15:54] <JMFTheVCI> sorry, yes I do. I mistyped the dpkg command.
[15:55] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/405413
[15:55] <DanaG> argh, I have this same behavior... should I mark the bug confirmed?
[15:56] <richardcavell_> what does xsplash actually do?
[15:56] <richardcavell_> I'm not updating my karmic box for a while owing to all the issues I've had from updates
[15:56]  * diverse_izzue has been wondering the same...
[15:56] <JMFTheVCI> robin0800: that looks like the culprit. Can I remove xsplash and go back to usplash or can I easily switch them. Are there better screens for xsplash and how do I configure them?
[15:58] <hggdh> iddo, yes (with some limitations, if I remember correctly). Actually, I am going ahead and installing it (previously I was using GIT trunk)
[15:59] <hggdh> DanaG, if you have the same situation, yes, go ahead and mark it confirmed. Please also update, as needed, with the current versions (if any achanged)
[15:59] <iddo> hggdh: how do u install it?
[16:00] <richardcavell_> DanaG: yes, if you can confirm identical facts
[16:00] <hggdh> iddo, either on synaptic, or (command line) sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[16:01] <iddo> hggdh: i dont have gnome-shell there... it it special repository?
[16:02] <hggdh> iddo please keep in mind that gnome3 (and gnome-shell, etc) is work-in-progress
[16:02] <hggdh> iddo this is weird. g-s is in the Karmic main repository... Are you sure you are running karmic ;-)?
[16:03] <iddo> hggdh: yes sure, and i did apt-get update
[16:03] <JMFTheVCI> richardcavell: xsplash is going to replace usplash. see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo
[16:04] <hggdh> ah well. anyway, it is uninstallable right now, we are missing a required prereq (libgireporitory1)
[16:05] <iddo> i was more interested in other stuff like mutter wm, not really gnome-shell
[16:06] <hggdh> try to install it alone. mutter is a prereq to g-s
[16:07] <iddo> hmm i do have mutter package, interesting... but not g-s
[16:07] <iddo> but how could i tell it to replace metacity ? env var ?
[16:08] <hggdh> heh. Now, it is time to RTFM, and search upstream :-)
[16:09] <hggdh> (or try 'mutter --replace', and be ready for the skies to fall over your head)
[16:10] <iddo> why dont you try it first...? :-)
[16:11] <iddo> im doing apt-get upgrade now... might try it afterwards
[16:11] <iddo> its always installing lots of printer cups updates, if i dont use a printer is it good idea to uninstall cups? not sure how..
[16:12] <hggdh> oh hell. First, and just in case, sync...
[16:12] <hggdh> now, for the --replace
[16:12] <iddo> cool, you're trying mutter ?
[16:12] <hggdh> yes, and still alive
[16:12] <hggdh> much slower, though
[16:13] <iddo> does it use GL compositing stuff, without compiz ?
[16:14] <JMFTheVCI> xsplash cannot be removed as it has a dependency on ubuntu-desktop. how do I go back to the usual ubuntu usplash display during boot?
[16:15] <JMFTheVCI> Or where can I download some of the new xsplash images?
[16:17] <hggdh> iddo, it seems to. But I am out of it, I cannot afford to test it now.
[16:18] <iddo> was it slow with good graphics chip ? or old computer?
[16:18] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/401539
[16:18] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/363341
[16:22] <iddo> hggdh: this seems nice, http://www.gnome.org/~mccann/shell/mockups/20090630-demo/  hmm that's not what you saw when u tried mutter?:)
[16:22] <dupondje> This morning Palimpsest started warning my my hdd has bad sectors :s
[16:23] <dupondje> but devkit-disks says me:  reallocated-sector-count    200/200/140   good    0 sectors   Prefail  Online
[16:23] <dupondje> but also:       bad sectors:         Yes
[16:23] <DanaG> !info indicator-sus
[16:23] <DanaG> For.
[16:23] <DanaG> for what?
[16:23] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sus/+bug/412024
[16:32] <hggdh> iddo, mutter worked, but very slow: typing would be reflected on the window at about .5 seconds per character
[16:32] <hggdh> and it did look like compositing was on
[16:32] <dupondje> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30274824/Schermafdruk.png <- any idea why it cries about bad sectors ?
[16:35] <iddo> hggdh: was it slow with good graphics chip ? or old computer?
[16:35] <mac_v> dupondje: current pending sector count?
[16:36] <dupondje> but thats not a really bad sector right ?
[16:37] <mac_v> dupondje: just a wild guess , the rest are almost similar to mine , that was the only difference
[16:38] <rleeds> dupondje, are you talking about bug 413064
[16:38] <rleeds> ?
[16:38] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+bug/412152
[16:38] <rleeds> oh, those might be duplicates?
[16:39] <DanaG> One good basis of comparison would be HDD Sentinel for Windows.
[16:39] <rleeds> oh wait...the problems are subtly different
[16:39] <DanaG> That utility says my internal drive is at 40% health, and my external is "perfect".
[16:40] <DanaG> the horribly-named "erased parchment" tells me that my internal drive has "passed", and my external drive... it doesn't have a damn clue.
[16:40] <dupondje> check last comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+bug/412152
[16:40] <mac_v> rleeds: dupondje's problem is different , his returns failed but the gdu bug is for passed
[16:40] <iddo> hggdh: i'm trying mutter now:)
[16:41] <DanaG> Granted, that external drive is an eSATA drive with a sata-to-sata bridge.
[16:41] <DanaG> Somehow, that one Windows utility, alone among all others, manages to read the status info anyway.
[16:41] <iddo> for some reason gconfd-2 take 25% cpu
[16:42] <mac_v> dupondje: yours is a differnt bug , other on the bug are completed OK , yours is a Failed , bot a bug , ask a question on lp gdu
[16:42] <mac_v> not a bug*
[16:42] <dupondje> mac_v: yea it tels failed, but thats after I run a self-test, if I just boot, its like the others (without the failed)
[16:43] <mac_v> dupondje: others the bug return OK even after the self test
[16:43] <hggdh> iddo, borderline (an ATI x1200), but still the point is it got *much* slower
[16:44] <hggdh> iddo, and on a dualcore AMD64 2GHz, 4G main memory
[16:45] <Brazz> hello there everyone... I'm having serious problems getting my ati card driver to work on jaunty and since I heard of the improvements in karmic I would like to know if me, as a person who enjoy some gaming, should consider installing karmic even tho its still under developement.
[16:46] <iddo> hggdh: when i do mutter --replace i see gconfd-2 in top taking 20%-30% cpu, when i then do metacity --replace it's gone and cpu back to 0%, is it same for you?
[16:46] <mac_v> Brazz: ATI X1400 , works better than Jaunty , havent tried gaming though
[16:47] <Brazz> mac_v: I use Radeon Mobility 9000
[16:48] <mac_v> Brazz: as far as i can tell , Karmic is better for ATI , but for an alpha you will have other problems
[16:48] <Brazz> mac_v: so you dont recommend me as a new ubuntu user to upgrade to karmic then?
[16:49] <mac_v> nope...
[16:49] <rleeds> Oh course, you could always try the LiveCD and make your own decision.
[16:49] <rleeds> But generally, if you want things to be smooth, don't.
[16:49] <TSK> Howdy, folks.  Is this the "karmic koala" Ubuntu development channel?  :)
[16:49] <rleeds> I like breaking things :)
[16:49] <mac_v> Brazz: wait for beta ,atleast , or try liveCD , but still expect some other probs
[16:49] <mac_v> if you are trying alpha
[16:50] <mac_v> !hi | TSK
[16:50]  * TSK is trying Ubuntu for the first time in over 2 years and is thus far enjoying Ubuntu a LOT more than last time.  :)
[16:51] <TSK> Ubuntu really has improved quite a lot over the past couple of years.
[16:51] <bjsnider> has it
[16:51] <TSK> I think it has.  :)
[16:51] <mac_v> bjsnider: lol
[16:51] <TSK> I'm finding a LOT of nifty little things it didn't used to have.  :)
[16:51] <bjsnider> i know of people who'd say hardy was better than anything recetnly
[16:52] <mac_v> bjsnider: now way , i find Karmic much better , even if it is alpha
[16:52]  * TSK was quite happy to find CakePHP framework (and other web development frameworks) in the package repos.
[16:52] <bjsnider> mac_v, there are still a lot of people that use hardy
[16:52] <mac_v> yeah
[16:52] <TSK> There's a lot of little details that are really nice in this latest version.
[16:53] <rleeds> my experience with hardy was smoother than jaunty, I'll say that. But I'm pretty happy on karmic right now.
[16:53] <bjsnider> i think intel graphics users would say there have been regressions, but that's not necessarily ubuntu's fault
[16:53] <TSK> My nVidia hardware is running better so far on Ubuntu than it has on any other distro I've tried recently.
[16:53] <rleeds> bjsnider, yes. I get screen corruption on resume now sometimes. Others I get a frozen screen until I blindly restart compiz.
[16:53] <rleeds> but I'm dealing :)
[16:53] <rleeds> The KMS is nice.
[16:54] <hggdh> iddo, it might be, but I cannot test it now
[16:54] <iddo> bjsnider: karmic fixed intel gfx regressions, they were terrible in jaunty
[16:54] <bjsnider> all of them?
[16:54] <bjsnider> i think not
[16:55] <gnomefreak> no not all of them IIRC
[16:55] <rleeds> oh..I just remembered I'm on xorg-edgers
[16:55] <rleeds> so I cannot judge
[16:55] <iddo> bjsnider: well i get 2100+ in glxgears instead of less than 300
[16:55] <bjsnider> that's good
[16:56] <TSK> Personally, I didn't stick with Jaunty long enough to know.  I heard too many good things about Karmic and just had to see what all the fuss was about.  :)
[16:56] <bjsnider> TSK, what nvidia card?
[16:56] <TSK> GeForce 6100 onboard.
[16:56] <bjsnider> gahhh
[16:57] <TSK> Ya, I know...  ;)
[16:57] <gnomefreak> rlthe edge repos if regressions is somewhat bad assuming it works in reg repos
[16:57] <TSK> It's actually running great tho on Karmic and the latest kernel/drivers.
[16:57] <TSK> Surprisingly...  :)
[16:57] <iddo> hggdh: i failed to start mutter on login :( wanted to see if it'd improve cpu usage for some reason
[16:58] <bjsnider> gnomefreak, ubuntu couldn't have kept using the pre-gem architecture for intel gfx in jaunty, could it?
[16:58] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: not sure but i dont see why not if it was already there.
[16:59] <bjsnider> yeah but if they're moving ahead with the newest x-server release for everybody else...
[17:00] <TSK> Just out of curiosity, does anyone know of a QT4 or KDE equivalent to Synaptic?  So far I can't find anything in the KDE world that is as good as Synaptic.
[17:00] <bjsnider> if the old arch could have been used in jaunty, then it is the fault of whoever made the choice to use the new arch even though it was full of regressions
[17:00] <bjsnider> adept
[17:00] <bjsnider> TSK, adept
[17:01] <TSK> I had a look at adept.  Honestly wasn't all that impressed with it.  :(
[17:01] <bjsnider> why do so many new linux converts try kde first
[17:01] <TSK> No biggie.  I'll just stick with Synaptic.  :)
[17:02] <crdlb> am I odd in that I have never opened synaptic on this install?
[17:02] <TSK> bjsnider: Hehehe...  I'm not exactly new to Linux.  Just new to Ubuntu.  ;)  I did TRY to like Gnome.  Really I did.  Ended up going back to KDE4.3 tho.
[17:03] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: more than likely (90% sure we will not be backporting new X to any stable release
[17:03] <TSK> There were some things I did like better about Gnome tho.  The 3 part menu bar was really nice.
[17:03] <gnomefreak> )*
[17:03] <gnomefreak> bjsnider: KDE is closest to WIN looking DE we have
[17:04] <TSK> LOL!  Bah.  KDE is FAR better than Windoze will ever be.  Gnome is, too.  :)
[17:05] <avihayb> well, kde is missing some features
[17:05] <TSK> KDE is indeed missing some features, but it's improving on an almost daily basis.
[17:06] <TSK> KDE 4.3 rolled around a LOT faster than I thought it would.
[17:06] <avihayb> the policy for what to do when a window is being clicked doesn't allow for a policy for what happens when a window is being click-draged
[17:06] <DanaG> I like gnome, but I don't like where gnome-shell is heading.
[17:06] <TSK> 4.0 was a total joke tho.  Sad the way that whole thing went.
[17:07] <avihayb> in windows, I can click-drag a file from a window on the buttom to the window at the top without raising it
[17:07] <TSK> avihayb: Actually, that IS configurable.
[17:07] <avihayb> how, I'd like to fix it
[17:07] <TSK> You can set windows to stay in the background unless you specifically click the title bar.
[17:08] <avihayb> rrrrrrrright, I choose the lesser of two evils
[17:08] <iddo> hggdh: i did killall metacity and ran mutter, it it seems ot behave ok now, cpu at %0
[17:08] <iddo> ot=to
[17:09] <TSK> avihayb: It's in System Settings > Window Behavior
[17:09] <iddo> hggdh: but glxgears is 400 instead of 2100 with metacity, hmm:(
[17:10] <avihayb> I know, but I want a window to raise whenever I click it, unless I clickdrag it
[17:10] <TSK> avihayb: I think what you want is on the Window Actions tab in that settings page.
[17:10] <crdlb> iddo: glxgears is not a benchmark
[17:10] <DanaG> oh yeah, the thing I didn't like when I tried just mutter: the animations are bad.
[17:10] <DanaG> A minimize action should NOT look and feel the same as a close action.
[17:10] <iddo> crdlb: please elaborate?:)
[17:11] <crdlb> DanaG: when I tried it, I just wanted a way to turn them all off
[17:11] <TSK> avihayb: Hmmm...  Sounds kinda specific.  You might want to submit that as a suggestion to the KDE team as a feature addition for a future version.
[17:11] <TSK> avihayb: Most likely that could be fairly easily added as an option in that same settings panel.
[17:11] <DanaG> Oh, and if gnome-shell won't make it so compiz can work with it... then I say no to gnome-shell.
[17:12] <avihayb> yhe, well, where do I suggest a thing like that? I have a list, and it's just growing
[17:12] <crdlb> iddo: 400 fps is still quite a lot ... you should try running a real-world app to see the effect
[17:12] <DanaG> Here's what I use in compiz: normal window open: dream.  normal window close: sidekick.  min/max: lamp.  menu open/close: vacuum.
[17:12] <crdlb> DanaG: here's what I use in compiz:
[17:12] <DanaG> Oh, and xsplash calls itself a menu... which feels wrong to me.
[17:12] <TSK> avihayb: My experience has been that the KDE guys are fairly open to suggestions.  I'd say you might want to open an "Enhancement" ticket on their Bugzilla for something like that.
[17:12] <natewiebe13> DanaG: fixed the printer problem
[17:13] <DanaG> nice.  Anything specific you had to do?
[17:13] <natewiebe13> i got a edited version of cpdftocps
[17:13] <natewiebe13> *an
[17:14] <natewiebe13> any idea what cpdftocps does?
[17:14] <DanaG> I know what pdftops is... but not what cpdftocps is.
[17:14] <DanaG> seems they've just stuck two extra letters in there,
[17:15] <TSK> avihayb: You could also maybe hang out in one of the KDE IRC channels and just drop hints about good ideas you have.  Never know what might end up getting implemented that way.  ;)
[17:17] <DanaG> hmm, that's weird... when connected to eSATA, my external hard drive reports status unknown... when on Firewire, it just plain doesn't report ANYTHING.
[17:17] <DanaG> That is, the whole group where disk-status thing goes... is not there.
[17:17] <DanaG> s/status/health/
[17:19] <iddo> anyone else feels like trying mutter? (gnome3 default window manager, has GL compositing effects like basic compiz)
[17:19] <DanaG> It also doesn't let me eject the drive!
[17:20] <DanaG> I wonder why that is.
[17:21] <TSK> iddo: Is there any way to test it in a KDE based system without installing Gnome?
[17:22] <iddo> TSK: u can try to replace kwin wm with mutter
[17:22] <iddo> just mutter --replace
[17:22] <TSK> iddo: Installing it now.
[17:23] <iddo> compiz works ok with kde ?
[17:23] <natewiebe13> mutter replacing nautilus?
[17:23] <iddo> natewiebe13: no it doesnt, maybe gnome-shell does that?
[17:23] <natewiebe13> than what is mutter replacing?
[17:24] <iddo> natewiebe13: metacity or compiz
[17:24] <natewiebe13> okay
[17:24] <natewiebe13> gnome-shell is a plugin off of mutter
[17:25] <iddo> natewiebe13: yes i guess, its all still in development
[17:25] <TSK> iddo: Ooooo...  It's looking pretty nice.  Really snappy and responsive on my machine.
[17:25] <natewiebe13> iddo: okay.. are you running mutter?
[17:25] <iddo> TSK: try glxgears ?
[17:25] <iddo> natewiebe13: yes running it now after i did apt-get install mutter
[17:26] <natewiebe13> whats it like compared to metacity? (differences)
[17:26] <iddo> natewiebe13: it has compositing effects when u minimize windows etc., like basic compiz
[17:26] <TSK> iddo: Okay.  What am I looking for re: glxgears?  (Running fine so far.)
[17:26] <natewiebe13> okay
[17:27] <natewiebe13> how does it compare speed/performance wise?
[17:27] <iddo> TSK: i was hoping you could tell me if fps changed for you when running glxgears under mutter, i see big drop here, even though mutter takes 0% cpu and everything seems smooth
[17:28] <TSK> iddo: It's just a tiny bit slower here under mutter than it is under KDE4, but like you say, it's running quite smooth and it does appear to use quite a bit less CPU.
[17:29] <iddo> natewiebe13: i see some small spikes in cpu usages when it actually does effect for minimize window etc., but i guess its faster than compiz
[17:29] <iddo> TSK: less cpu compared to kwin or compiz ?
[17:30] <iddo> i wonder if there's mutter prefs for choosing effects? maybe it's all done with gconf-editor at his stage?
[17:30] <TSK> compiz so far has given me the best performance of all the compositing desktops I've tried comparing CPU usage vs. performance, but it looks like mutter runs a close second.  KWin is by far the worst (or maybe it's just KDE in general) for using too much CPU.
[17:30] <iddo> TSK: what is your fps in glxgears with mutter?
[17:31] <iddo> interesting that kwin is slow? kwin does compositing effects too?
[17:32] <TSK> iddo: Not really that kwin is slow, but rather that it uses more CPU than other compositing window managers I've tried.
[17:32] <natewiebe13> wobbly windows are gone (N)
[17:32] <natewiebe13> (thumbs down)
[17:32] <TSK> LOL
[17:33] <natewiebe13> switching workspaces is much slower
[17:33] <natewiebe13> MUCH slower
[17:33] <iddo> natewiebe13: can u try glxgears please?
[17:34] <TSK> Sounds like maybe mutter gives some rather different results on differing hardware.
[17:34] <natewiebe13> average is 3260 fps with mutter
[17:34] <natewiebe13> with metacity let me try
[17:34] <natewiebe13> *sorry not fps frames every 5 seconds
[17:34] <natewiebe13> and goes as low as 3000 per 5 sec
[17:35]  * TSK wonders where one might go to configure this mutter thing...
[17:35] <iddo> this demo that uses mutter seems nice: http://www.gnome.org/~mccann/shell/mockups/20090630-demo/
[17:37] <TSK> I'm kinda thinking I might have to keep mutter installed just for kicks.  :)
[17:38] <natewiebe13> okay
[17:38] <natewiebe13> im with compiz
[17:38] <natewiebe13> time for glxgears
[17:39] <natewiebe13> lowest is 6000 frames every 5 seconds
[17:39] <iddo> my glxgears dropped in mutter to 400, in metacity it was 2100
[17:39] <natewiebe13> so compiz is twice as fast
[17:39] <iddo> interesting
[17:39] <TSK> Wow...  That's a pretty drastic change.
[17:40] <iddo> i guess mutter still needs work... though it kinda feels smoother than compiz here, i think
[17:40] <TSK> I'm sure it'll improve.  I'm certainly going to keep an eye on it.  It's looking quite nice so far.
[17:40] <iddo> i'm using eee pc with intel gfx, not fast pc
[17:40] <natewiebe13> okay..
[17:40] <natewiebe13> ive got an average pc here.
[17:41] <TSK> The thing that impressed me is the low CPU usage.  On my machine it hardly spiked the CPU meter at all.
[17:41] <natewiebe13> nvidia geforce 6200 (not as fast as my 285 at home :P) and 3.2 ghz dual core
[17:41] <TSK> Kwin on the other hand spikes my CPU every time I move windows around and such.
[17:41] <natewiebe13> compiz doesnt spike for me at all
[17:42] <natewiebe13> TSK: sounds like i never want to use kde :P
[17:42] <TSK> natewiebe13: Ya, so far compiz has been the best of the compositing window managers on my systems.
[17:42] <iddo> kwin does opengl effects?
[17:42] <TSK> iddo: Indeed it does
[17:42] <natewiebe13> how are they compared to compiz effects?
[17:42] <iddo> ok im not up to date... last time i saw kde it didnt
[17:42] <natewiebe13> compiz is very nice
[17:43] <TSK> natewiebe13: Actually, KDE 4.3 has really improved quite a lot.  And it CAN be forced to use compiz for it's effects if you want.  I'm just sticking with the defaults so I can report bugs and help it improve.
[17:43] <natewiebe13> how are kwin effects compared to compiz (how good they look)
[17:44] <TSK> natewiebe13: Honestly, if you ever DO try KDE 4, just be sure it's 4.3 or later.  4.0 and 4.1 were nearly un-usable.  4.2 is when it started to get usable, and 4.3 is when I was able to replace my KDE 3.5 with it.
[17:44] <natewiebe13> the only complaint i have with gnome, is that we need GOOD screensavers, besides electricsheep
[17:44] <TSK> natewiebe13: The kwin effects are actually pretty nice.  I think compiz is still ahead of them a bit tho.  But then again, they DID get something of a head start, too..  :)
[17:46] <TSK> What I'd like to see is some kind of a compositing effects standard, so that different compositing window managers could have drop-in libraries of effects that they could share between them.
[17:46] <TSK> Probably never happen tho.  :(
[17:47] <TSK> natewiebe13: BTW, as for screensavers under Gnome, doesn't it just use XScreensaver just like KDE?  I'd think that any screensaver which works under KDE or any other X desktop should work fine under Gnome, too.
[17:49] <natewiebe13> i'll check
[17:49] <natewiebe13> but the screensavers look like windows 95
[17:50] <TSK> natewiebe13: Ya, I've noticed that XScreensaver has a LOT of screensavers ranging from totally crappy to totally impressive and everywhere inbetween.
[17:50] <natewiebe13> xscreensaver is not installed but xscreenaver-data is, also gnome-screensaver is installed.. looks to me that gnome-screensaver is just the config tool, and uses xscreensaver-data for the actual screensavers
[17:51] <natewiebe13> the only one i like is electricsheep which you have to install manually from the repos
[17:51] <TSK> natewiebe13: You probably want to install the xscreensaver-gl and xscreensaver-gl-extra packages.  That adds a mess of new screensavers, some of which are quite impressive.
[17:55] <natewiebe13> i did
[17:55] <natewiebe13> dont like them
[17:56] <natewiebe13> TSK: have you tried electric sheep?
[17:56] <TSK> natewiebe13: There's also xscreensaver-data-extra which contains more 2D screensavers as well
[17:57] <natewiebe13> i have all of them installed already
[17:57] <TSK> natewiebe13: Indeed I have.  It's really one of the better screensavers I've seen.
[17:58] <TSK> natewiebe13: Very slick how it contributes CPU time to the collective screensaver pool, too.
[17:59] <natewiebe13> its my fav. screensaver
[17:59] <natewiebe13> by far
[18:00] <J-_> will !purekde work in karmic with KDE4.3?
[18:02] <TSK> natewiebe13: It's also quite nice that it's available for Mac, Win, AND Linux.
[18:04] <TSK> For those among you using KDE4, here's a page detailing how to use Electric Sheep screensaver under KDE4 -> http://n0t3s.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/electricsheep-and-kde/
[18:21] <The_Warlock> how do i create a live usb for ubuntu 9.10 from my mac?
[18:23] <The_Warlock> and how do i get an IMG for karmic?
[18:23] <DanaG> wtf is indicator-sus?
[18:23] <DanaG> !info indicator-sus
[18:28] <loonyphoenix> what is the best alternative to the conventional gnome menus? :) I personally like Linux Mint's solution, but I haven't found a package for Ubuntu, so I'm using classic gnome menu (the single version).
[18:28] <DanaG> "providing various indicators for."
[18:28] <DanaG> for.  for what?
[18:30] <hggdh> hum. Needs to be edited.
[18:31] <DanaG> =þ
[18:32] <DanaG> aptitude show indicator-sus
[18:32] <DanaG> it seems the short description is too long, so it tramples on the long description.
[18:33] <DanaG> it's even better in the aptitude ncurses UI... the short description is in the blue bar, and the long description becomes just "display to users."
[18:36] <bjsnider> loonyphoenix, ubuntu-system-panel
[18:36] <bjsnider> don't know how that project is doing these days though
[18:37] <loonyphoenix> abjsnider: apt-cache search ubuntu system panel returns zero results :(
[18:38] <loonyphoenix> sorry for the prepended name)
[18:39] <bjsnider> dunno if USP ever made it into the repos. last i saw it was a google code project
[18:44] <itswhatev> regression - jack sensing
[18:51] <DanaG> random single off-topic line:  http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=15969   -- yeah, this country (I live here) does suck.
[18:51] <DanaG> "U.S. Court Rules Consumers Never Have the Right to Copy DVD Movies"
[18:51] <bjsnider> if we don't ownt he flicks then i guess we should never buy them at all
[18:52] <DanaG> Damn straight.
[18:55] <itswhatev> i never have time for movies anyway, they can go to hel
[18:56] <richardcavell> we have about 9 weeks left to debug this thing.  How are we going?
[18:56] <richardcavell> At the rate it's going I'm not sure
[18:56] <bjsnider> not sure about what?
[18:56] <Twigaathy> Personally, the system as it is works fine for me :)
[18:56] <richardcavell> dupondje: hey, did you see what's happening with our bug report?
[18:56] <oldude67> has anyone else gotten the network manager to work right since it got broken?
[18:56] <richardcavell> bjsnider: whether they'll fix all of the bugs to the point where it's ready for prime time
[18:56] <richardcavell> oldude67: yes
[18:56] <Twigaathy> But I don't have a very standard install. YMMV :D
[18:57] <oldude67> ugh figures mines still fubarred..ugh
[18:57] <richardcavell> Well, I'm getting pretty low mileage, Twig
[18:57] <Twigaathy> oh?
[18:57] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/405413
[18:57] <Twigaathy> hm, I don't use NM.
[18:58] <richardcavell> Currently I have sound problems, random crashes in firefox, nautilus and other progs, battery icon doesn't correctly report battery level, random screen blanking, package dependency issues...
[18:58] <gbs-wes> nice... so, gnome-do updates this morning -- i was having to use it in "docky" style as a replacement to awn which was ridiculously broken when i first upgraded. the update kills gnome-do. doesn't work at all anymore on my system. suddenly, however, my preferred dock (awn) works perfectly again. i r confus.
[18:58] <gbs-wes> headphones still don't work at all for me :(
[18:59] <Twigaathy> My sound works fine, firefox is stable, I don;t use nautilus, I'm on a desktop, I don't have the random screen blanking problem (Probably because I don't have gnome-power-manager) and my apt is healthy >_<
[18:59] <richardcavell> keyboard shortcut issues, flickering in wine games, inexplicable network loss playing Counter-Strike...
[18:59] <Twigaathy> ick
[18:59] <Twigaathy> actually, that is one thing that is broken for me - wine + audio don't play nicely together
[19:00] <richardcavell> gkrellm only works half the time, occasionally my computer hangs completely, webcam doesn't get recognized,...
[19:00] <Twigaathy> ick, sounds like you've hit every bug ever!
[19:00] <richardcavell> and a girl I used to like recently got married
[19:00] <Twigaathy> aw
[19:00] <gbs-wes> did you log a bug
[19:00] <richardcavell> lol XD
[19:00] <oldude67> richardcavell, dont know if that is a bug or a blessing..lmao
[19:01] <DanaG> Wine sucks with audio.  ALways has for me.
[19:01] <richardcavell> I have been piling on the launchpad bug reports
[19:01] <Twigaathy> yarr, I just reboot for games these days. Got a bit fed up of trying to hack about a lot
[19:06] <Michalxo> hello
[19:06] <gbs-wes> herro
[19:06] <Michalxo> Am I only one who has problem with flash videos and sounds?
[19:07] <richardcavell> Michalxo: I get audio dropout on youtube
[19:07] <Michalxo> yeah..
[19:07] <Michalxo> I can hear sound from flash videos BUT only when it's started as first sound application...
[19:07] <Michalxo> after starting rhytmbox I can't hear anything from flash videos
[19:08] <DanaG> you on 64-bit?
[19:08] <Michalxo> y
[19:09] <Michalxo> it's starting to be kind disappointing to heave that sound issues.. (I am aware of fact that I am using alpha software, but I thought this was solved few days ago/week..)
[19:09] <DanaG> hmm, it might be the missing lib32asound_pcm_pulse
[19:09] <DanaG> side note (unrelated):  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/405413
[19:10] <Michalxo> DanaG, I don't have that package at all...
[19:10] <DanaG> It's a file.
[19:10] <Michalxo> only this lib32asound2 in prepos
[19:10] <Michalxo> aha
[19:11] <DanaG> !find libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so
[19:11] <DanaG> ah, it's missing from lib32!
[19:11] <DanaG> ls /usr/lib/alsa-lib
[19:11] <DanaG> ls /usr/lib32/alsa-lib
[19:12] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-plugins/+bug/408615
[19:13] <Michalxo> DanaG, I have that file
[19:13] <DanaG> Is it in both places?
[19:13] <DanaG> Or just lib (which is lib64)?
[19:14] <Michalxo> I don;t have that module_conf_pulse in lib32/
[19:14] <Michalxo> but in lib/ it's there
[19:14] <Michalxo> both
[19:15] <DanaG> That'
[19:15] <DanaG> that's what I mean: the bug is that they're missing from lib32.
[19:15] <Michalxo> can I copy them / link them
[19:16] <Michalxo> or it's absolutely different ones?
[19:16] <DanaG> Yeah, different binaries.
[19:17] <Michalxo> is there any fix/package?
[19:18] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7736277&postcount=15
[19:18] <DanaG> though get conf_pulse and ctl_pulse, too.
[19:23] <virtuald> and pcm_pulse probably
[19:24] <virtuald> it was there before, it's in my locate database
[19:24] <DanaG> where the heck did all my gnome-do plugins go?
[19:24] <DanaG> ARGH!
[19:25] <gbs-wes> they updated this morning
[19:25] <gbs-wes> you're lucky, gnome-do doesn't work at all for me anymore
[19:25] <virtuald> what is gnome-do anyway?
[19:27] <gbs-wes> its like apple-key+space on a mac
[19:27] <gbs-wes> but it can also be used as a docky
[19:27] <gbs-wes> quicksilver type app, really useful
[19:28] <virtuald> i don't know about any apple key combos that doesn't suck, so that tells me nothing
[19:28] <gbs-wes> how about the last sentence, moron?
[19:28] <gbs-wes> gfy.
[19:28] <Michalxo> euuh, is it possible not to have libasound in alsa-utils package?
[19:29] <virtuald> i don't know about quicksilver either
[19:30] <DanaG> It's a quick-launch thingy that has plugins, for stuff like firefox bookmarks and VirtualBox machines and such.
[19:30] <virtuald> ah, thank you
[19:31] <bjsnider> gnome-shell is in universe?
[19:31] <DanaG> bash: gnome-shell: command not found
[19:31] <DanaG> it didn't tell me "available in package..."
[19:32] <DanaG> Package `gnome-shell' does not contain any files (!)
[19:32] <DanaG> har.
[19:32] <bjsnider> somebody said yesterday that it was
[19:34] <DanaG> hmm, anyone know where to get a simple LED-class device, where the device itself is just an LED?
[19:34] <bjsnider> oh, it is in there
[19:35] <bjsnider> i just switched servers from US to main and gnome-shell appeared
[19:38] <avihayb> DanaG: if I needed a computer controlled led, I'd usualy turn to the printer port...
[19:38] <cumulus007> Hi, I'm running kubuntu karmic with nvidia 185.x and fullscreen Flash is very slow, it lags all the time
[19:38] <cumulus007> it doesn't matter whether KWin's effects are disabled or not
[19:38] <gbs-wes> karmic SUCKKKKSSSSssss
[19:39] <cumulus007> gbs-wes: that's not really contributing to the conversation
[19:39] <DanaG> laptop... no printer prot.
[19:39] <DanaG> and I want it to be the type that appears in /sys/class/leds
[19:40] <gbs-wes> yeah it is. thats like 23 characters.
[19:40] <Michalxo> DanaG, there is no such file in alsa-lib and alsa-utils :-/
[19:42] <derenrich> laudable llama <-- me calls it
[19:42] <bjsnider> leaping lizard
[19:43] <bjsnider> lugubrious locust
[19:44] <derenrich> gotta be llama
[19:44] <derenrich> gotta be laudable
[19:51] <J-_> Will !purekde work in Karmic?
[19:52] <Michalxo> DanaG, that files are in libasound2-plugins package, not in alsa-utils.. that guy made a mistake
[19:52] <DanaG> ah.
[19:52] <DanaG> oh yeah.
[19:54]  * J-_ yearns
[19:56] <Michalxo> DanaG, not working...
[19:56] <Michalxo> do I have to reboot or so?
[19:57] <DanaG> odd.  I downloaded libasound2-plugins and opened it in archive-manager.  there's the data.tar.gz inside it.
[19:57] <DanaG> you copy the three pulse .so files to /usr/lib32/alsa-lib ?
[19:57] <Michalxo> /Desktop/alsa-lib$ sudo cp libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so libasound_module_conf_pulse.so libasound_module_ctl_pulse.so /usr/lib32/alsa-lib/
[19:58] <Michalxo> http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/libasound2-plugins form here i386 package
[19:58] <DanaG> yeah. hmm, what does it give now?  and I now don't remember what the original issue was.
[20:00] <Michalxo> DanaG, well... when flash sound works, my rhytmbox can't play
[20:01] <DanaG> hmm, check in pavucontrol whether flash is showing up there.
[20:02] <Michalxo> there\s 3times alsa plugin [metacity]
[20:02] <Michalxo> and rhytmbox "playing"
[20:02] <DanaG> odd.. why would metacity be there?
[20:02] <DanaG> that is weird.
[20:02] <DanaG> hmm, is anything Flash currently open?
[20:03] <Michalxo> now not
[20:03] <Michalxo> only finished video
[20:09] <bjsnider> alsa plugin with metacity playing audio?
[20:15] <Michalxo> yeah, probably metacity fancy sounds...
[20:15] <Michalxo> btw
[20:15] <Michalxo> my skype says this
[20:16] <Michalxo> aha, it's same as bug... here
[20:16] <Michalxo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-plugins/+bug/408615
[20:16] <DanaG> skype is evil... the developers haven't even updated it in frickin' ages.
[20:17] <Michalxo> well.. forget about skype, I just installed it cause of that error message
[20:17] <Michalxo> soo
[20:18] <Michalxo> right after flash video finished, sound got back from rhytmbo
[20:19] <Michalxo> but now, when RBox is playing, flash video hangs right on place when 1st sound is supposed to be
[20:30] <DanaG> hmm, sounds like Flash is doing something incorrectly.  Odd.
[20:30] <DanaG> Try starting firefox in console, perhaps?
[20:51] <loonyphoenix> when's pulseaudio going to be fixed? :(
[20:55] <DanaG> what do you mean, "fixed"?  It works fine for me.
[20:56] <DanaG> =þ
[20:58] <Michalxo> not for me :(
[20:58] <loonyphoenix> DanaG: really? it works fine for somebody?
[20:59] <DanaG> hmm, what's the specific issue you're having?
[20:59] <DanaG> It's easier to help with things if you tell us what the issue is, of course.
[20:59] <loonyphoenix> random crashes, strange volume changing behaviour
[20:59] <loonyphoenix> changing volume in one app causes change in all apps
[20:59] <DanaG> oh yeah, I disabled flat volumes.
[20:59] <DanaG> Yeah, that's a "feature".  A really stupid one.
[21:00] <loonyphoenix> what's that and how do you do it?
[21:00] <loonyphoenix> disable it i mean
[21:00] <DanaG> sudo nano /etc/pulse/daemon.conf
[21:00] <DanaG> uncomment "flat volumes = yes" and change it to say 'no' instead.
[21:00] <DanaG> Is there a bug report on that behavior?
[21:00] <loonyphoenix> I don't know, must be
[21:01] <loonyphoenix> thx for the tip
[21:01] <loonyphoenix> do you know why they did that?
[21:01] <loonyphoenix> I hope it doesn't hold until final release...
[21:03] <DanaG> It's supposedly a feature... but I find it sucks.
[21:04] <loonyphoenix> who is the great mind who thought this would be a good feature?
[21:05] <loonyphoenix> you know what other "feature" I hate?
[21:05] <loonyphoenix> it's that totem fast-forwards four times faster than rewinds
[21:05] <DanaG> ugh, yeah.
[21:05] <loonyphoenix> that's really a BAD decision
[21:05] <DanaG> I try to skip back and forth... and get lost every time.
[21:05] <loonyphoenix> is there a way to disable THAT
[21:05] <DanaG> So that's what it is... 4 times as fast?
[21:06] <loonyphoenix> yeah, I counted
[21:06] <DanaG> I had never found it that specific... to me, it was just "wrong".
[21:06] <loonyphoenix> you press right one time, then left four times and you're where you started
[21:08] <DanaG> ugh, that IS stupid.
[21:11] <loonyphoenix> btw, are they getting rid of hal in karmic?
[21:11] <nhasian> loonyphoenix, yes i believe so
[21:11] <komputes> Does anyone have skype working in karmic?
[21:11] <loonyphoenix> nhasian: that's great, provided it doesn't cause too many regressions...
[21:12] <nhasian> well those are the things we're trying to fix before the final release in october :)
[21:12] <DanaG> http://www.schnouki.net/post/2008/08/16/How-to-make-Skype-work-with-PulseAudio-on-64-bits-Linux-systems#rev-pnote-48-4
[21:13] <DanaG> note that it'd be /usr/lib32, not /opt/lib32
[21:16] <DanaG> http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=373081&st=40&start=40
[21:18] <nhasian> is Karmic Alpha 4 still coming out today?
[21:20] <DanaG> yeah, skype is a broken closed-source software.
[21:20] <nhasian> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4
[21:20] <DanaG> I mean, they even friggin' hardcode /usr/lib... so the 32-bit skype tries to load 64-bit libraries!
[21:21] <loonyphoenix> btw, the pulseaudio bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/411042
[21:21] <DanaG> Consider trying ekiga, or wengophone, or "gizmo".
[21:23]  * DanaG goes off for füd.
[21:29] <nhasian> pulseaudio has always been troublesome... but its getting better
[21:30] <loonyphoenix> pulseaudio is great, imo
[21:30] <loonyphoenix> except for this one "feature"...
[21:31] <BUGabundo> hey kids
[21:32] <DanaG> yeah, flat volumes are horrible, in terms of user experience.
[21:33] <DanaG> I managed to blast myself the other day, by turning up Totem's volume (because it was too quiet) ... and oops, now it turned up the sound card, too!
[21:33] <DanaG> Windows doesn't do that.  OS X doesn't do that.
[21:33] <BUGabundo> DanaG: disable it
[21:33] <BUGabundo> I did and  now everything is A O K
[21:33] <DanaG> I did... but it needs to be exposed in the user interface.
[21:33] <DanaG> And disabled by default.
[21:33] <loonyphoenix> yeah
[21:33] <loonyphoenix> go say that in the bug, as i did)
[21:34] <BUGabundo> lolol
[21:34] <BUGabundo> by defailt?
[21:34] <BUGabundo> its like 10% of the code
[21:34] <BUGabundo> its they baby girl
[21:34] <loonyphoenix> no, it like two characters in the config file
[21:34] <DanaG> -3 +2
[21:35] <loonyphoenix> what are the major features planned for karmic? besides lightning boot, i mean
[21:36] <loonyphoenix> Create a usb-creator Equivalent for Non-Linux Systems -- that's a good one
[21:37] <Michalxo> what about today's alpha 4? :-)
[21:37] <virtuald> when firefox crashes and the dialog (from apport probably) that pops up says there's not enough memory to analyse the problem, is that a bad memory leak?
[21:37] <loonyphoenix> is it today?
[21:37] <loonyphoenix> wow
[21:37] <BUGabundo> loonyphoenix: that's on the works
[21:37] <loonyphoenix> that's why these past few days were a bit slow
[21:37] <loonyphoenix> i'd wondered
[21:37] <Michalxo> loonyphoenix, it should be... by schedule :-/
[21:38] <Michalxo> it really is out!
[21:38] <Michalxo> they had to put it just few hours ago
[21:38] <loonyphoenix> it's already out?
[21:38] <Michalxo> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4
[21:38] <loonyphoenix> that's good :) (am going to download it right away)
[21:39] <loonyphoenix> I think I encountered a memory leak myself the recently
[21:40] <loonyphoenix> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/411042
[21:41] <loonyphoenix> And I still can't figure out how to backtrace it
[21:41] <nhasian> yay alpha4 is out now
[21:42]  * loonyphoenix is downloading it
[21:42] <loonyphoenix> don't know why, I got a fully updated system:)
[21:43] <loonyphoenix> maybe I just want to delete the old alpha3 image...
[21:43] <nhasian> well i need the new iso to install karmic on another laptop
[21:44] <maxb> Anyone having troubles with synaptics touchpads?
[21:44] <nhasian> i'm only getting 1.4 MB/s though
[21:44] <nhasian> maxb, like what?
[21:44] <loonyphoenix> I can't click with the touchpad itself, not the buttons
[21:44] <loonyphoenix> but I hardly ever use it
[21:44] <maxb> Mine has started behaving very oddly .. it's almost as if the system is losing some touchpad events
[21:44] <loonyphoenix> and I don't know if it's recent
[21:45] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/405943
[21:45] <nhasian> maxb, well i know that they recently added the option to temporarily disable the touchpad when you start typing
[21:45] <maxb> ooh
[21:46] <loonyphoenix> God, I'm drowning in tabs...
[21:46] <nhasian> i thought that was a good thing because i hate when the cursor jumps when my palm accidentally brushes the touchpad
[21:47] <DanaG> For me it's bad, because it's overly restrictive.
[21:47] <DanaG> If I move just a bit too fast, it says "screw you" and ignores the motion.
[21:47] <DanaG> The threshold is way too low.
[21:48] <Michalxo> guys, have you experienced this one?
[21:49] <Michalxo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/413064
[21:49] <maxb> DanaG: thankyou very much, you've saved me much time and frustration! :-)
[21:49] <Michalxo> a guy who was there has same error as me..
[21:51] <maxb> Michalxo: I'll dup that one against LP 412152
[21:52] <DanaG> yeah, I'd call it "alarmist".
[21:59] <loonyphoenix> can somebody help me backtrace a memory leak? gdb won't work :( LP 412040
[22:26] <mac_v> hehe...  alarmist DanaG
[22:34] <bjsnider> loonyphoenix, is that a thumbnailing issue?
[22:34] <loonyphoenix> bjsnider: I'll test it out right now.
[22:35] <bjsnider> because the thumbnailer crashes nautilus if you try to use it with video files and the icon size is set to >100%
[22:35] <bjsnider> and it has for years
[22:36] <loonyphoenix> bjsnider: Yes, I think so. With thumbnailer disabled everything is fine.
[22:36] <bjsnider> this is a longstanding problem with nautilus, and it isn't specifically ubuntu's fault
[22:36] <loonyphoenix> bjsnider: and it doesn't just crash for me; it eats away at memory first (for several minutes) and only then hangs without crashing
[22:36] <bjsnider> also, the "don't thumbnail files greater than 10MB" is not working
[22:37] <loonyphoenix> overall, i think nautilus is a very buggy piece of dung
[22:37] <bjsnider> looneyright, first it grabs all of your RAM, then x crashes
[22:37] <loonyphoenix> it's not just these issues
[22:37] <bjsnider> it's been like this for years
[22:38] <loonyphoenix> bjsnider: no, X doesn't crash because I kill it when it hangs)
[22:38] <bjsnider> and i think there are open gnome bugs about it, but nobody's fixed it.
[22:38] <loonyphoenix> I never tried to see what happens if I leave it to its own devices for half an hour)
[22:39] <loonyphoenix> the only thing that is good about nautilus is its integration with gvfs which allows any program to open files on samba shares
[22:40] <loonyphoenix> I just wish they'd throw nautilus away and write something new from scratch or say borrow thunar and add a few features
[22:40] <bjsnider> thunar is probably better
[22:41] <bjsnider> i like how you can make the stuff in the sidebar bigger
[22:41] <loonyphoenix> thunar would be almost perfect if they integrated gvfs with it
[22:41] <loonyphoenix> a lot of my stuff is on samba shares and there's no easy way to browse it in thunar
[22:43] <loonyphoenix> mounting in fstab doesn't work because wireless network is loaded after fstab does its work
[22:43] <loonyphoenix> pyneighborhood is buggy
[22:49] <loonyphoenix> bjsnider: do you know where the gnome thumbnailing bug is? I can't find it :(
[22:49] <bjsnider> i looked it up a year  or two ago
[22:50] <bjsnider> it's not on launchpad
[23:29] <diverse_izzue> hey. can somebody with a minute of time please try to confirm bug 411083 for me? am i the only one for which this happens
[23:51] <starwind> hey, whay command would I need to use to install guest additions in karmic?
[23:52] <AnswerGuy> What's a "guest addition?"
[23:53] <diverse_izzue> starwind, try sudo aptitude install virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 virtualbox-ose-guest-utils
[23:53] <starwind> oh sorry.. maybe vbox additions for would the correct term?
[23:59] <starwind> I ran both of those, but it seems I still can't adjust the screen resolution of my guest OS
[23:59] <starwind> am I missing something or did I do something wrong?
[23:59] <diverse_izzue> di you install them in the guest?
[23:59] <starwind> yes