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| micahg | ogasawara: I replaced my laptop, should I close out old hw issues I had since I can no longer test anything? | 02:11 |
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| micahg | assuming I was the only one with the issue of course | 02:12 |
| ogasawara | micahg: yah that'd be great | 02:12 |
| micahg | ok, thanks | 02:13 |
| charles_ | kklimonda: IMO #407692 should be changed to `wontfix'. it's not `incomplete' since we don't need any more information from the bug reporter | 05:16 |
| charles_ | kklimonda: unless you got a better answer from the ubuntu-art team? | 05:16 |
| kholerabbi | charles_: have you considered using up and down arrows on the icon? | 05:40 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:10 |
| thekorn | good morning | 08:38 |
| thekorn | and happy hugday | 08:38 |
| seb128 | hey thekorn | 08:41 |
| thekorn | hi seb128 | 08:42 |
| micahg | hi seb128 | 08:54 |
| seb128 | hey micahg | 08:54 |
| micahg | would the crash in bug 410664 have been fixed with gtk 2.17.7? | 08:54 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 410664 in firefox-3.5 "firefox-3.5 crashed with signal 5 in _XError()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410664 | 08:54 |
| seb128 | micahg, I don't know there was quite som client side rendering fixes there | 08:55 |
| seb128 | could be | 08:55 |
| micahg | ok, I'll request user try with latest GTK | 08:55 |
| seb128 | mdz_, ^ that seems similar to the issue you had some weeks ago, is there still a bug about that? | 08:57 |
| seb128 | mdz_, the one where firefox was crashing when run by apport | 08:57 |
| mdz_ | seb128, bug 401055 | 08:58 |
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| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 401055 in firefox "Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'firefox-3.5' received an X Window System error (BadWindow)" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401055 | 08:58 |
| seb128 | mdz, thanks | 08:58 |
| seb128 | micahg, that's a duplicate of this one | 08:59 |
| micahg | ah, indeed | 08:59 |
| micahg | except I can't seem to move a bug that's duped against it | 09:00 |
| micahg | maybe someone else can? | 09:00 |
| micahg | bug 412685 | 09:00 |
| ubot4 | micahg: Bug 412685 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/412685 is private | 09:00 |
| mdz | micahg, un-duped | 09:02 |
| micahg | mdz: where was that from? | 09:03 |
| mdz | micahg, an apport crash report from https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~loedur | 09:03 |
| seb128 | mdz, how did you have access to this bug? | 09:03 |
| mdz | seb128, I have LP super powers | 09:03 |
| * seb128 wants those ;-) | 09:03 | |
| mdz | they marked the bug as a duplicate before the retracer found it, so I think the retracer skipped it | 09:04 |
| seb128 | I've to ssh to retracers to subscribe the bug triage team to those every time which is boring | 09:04 |
| mdz | seb128, how about having the retracer always subscribe a "retracer team" of people who can see the core dumps? | 09:06 |
| seb128 | could be a good idea yes | 09:07 |
| seb128 | I will talk with pitti about that again when he's back | 09:07 |
| micahg | mdz: is bug 412010 the same? | 09:15 |
| ubot4 | micahg: Bug 412010 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/412010 is private | 09:15 |
| micahg | THe first 4 of the stacktrace were the same | 09:15 |
| seb128 | micahg, could be, hard to say without looking at the issue in details | 09:16 |
| micahg | the next one is XRemoteClient::CheckChildren instead of XRemoteClient::CheckWindow in yours | 09:16 |
| micahg | seb128: how much of the stacktrace needs to match to be a dup? | 09:16 |
| mdz | micahg, that one had no sensitive info in it (had been retraced), so I've just marked it public | 09:17 |
| mdz | seb128, you are in crash bug triagers, right? | 09:17 |
| seb128 | micahg, depends, I don't know this codepath enough to tell if that's the same issue | 09:17 |
| seb128 | mdz, yes, but the team is only subscribed after retracing | 09:17 |
| micahg | ok | 09:17 |
| mdz | seb128, right, 412010 was retraced, was wondering if you could see it | 09:18 |
| seb128 | I can | 09:18 |
| seb128 | the only bugs I can't see are the ones not retraced yet | 09:18 |
| seb128 | and I often need to visit those when retracers crash on a bug to see what is wrong | 09:18 |
| seb128 | or untag | 09:18 |
| seb128 | anyway no big deal we have a subscribe command, it's just a ssh away ;-) | 09:18 |
| jarlen | how is the hug day of the week going? | 11:49 |
| * matti hugs jarlen | 11:56 | |
| matti | ;d | 11:56 |
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| dholbach | Packaging Training Session "On-Call Review" with cjwatson, seb128, james_w and me in 12m in #ubuntu-classroom | 12:49 |
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| MacSlow | pedro_: I'm here in any case | 13:28 |
| pedro_ | MacSlow, nice, I was about to ask to what's the status of bug 402246, you commented there but didn't changed the status/importance ;-) | 13:29 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 402246 in notify-osd "Title has no limit of lines" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/402246 | 13:29 |
| MacSlow | pedro_, updated | 13:31 |
| pedro_ | MacSlow, thanks | 13:31 |
| pedro_ | MacSlow, may you look at bug 401602 ? | 13:55 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 401602 in notify-osd "First notification appears as a GtkMessageDialog" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401602 | 13:55 |
| * MacSlow looks | 13:56 | |
| MacSlow | pedro_, updated | 14:03 |
| * pedro_ updating the hug day page | 14:03 | |
| pedro_ | MacSlow, could you look at bug 410870 ? | 14:29 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 410870 in notify-osd "ActionInvoked and NotificationClosed signals alwas have zero ID" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410870 | 14:29 |
| pedro_ | brb | 14:30 |
| MacSlow | pedro_, hm... ID-couter incremeant works | 14:45 |
| MacSlow | pedro_, I'd set 410870 to "Needs more info" but I can't find that option | 14:53 |
| pedro_ | MacSlow, incomplete is the needinfo on lp, i'll set that for you | 14:54 |
| MacSlow | updated | 14:54 |
| pedro_ | MacSlow, what do you think about bug 381416 and bug 371093 | 14:54 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 381416 in notify-osd "notify-osd should have a close button" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/381416 | 14:54 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 371093 in notify-osd "[wishlist] Click to dismiss" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371093 | 14:54 |
| pedro_ | they're requesting a similar feature: able to dismiss the notification, one with a button and the other with a click | 14:55 |
| MacSlow | pedro_, well that's for the bin if ask me (or the design-folks) | 14:56 |
| MacSlow | pedro_, people just didn't read the spec of notify-osd | 14:56 |
| MacSlow | pedro_, not having a close-button to dismiss notifications is a design-feature and not missing functionality | 14:56 |
| MacSlow | pedro_, design-folks and me say "won't fix" pretty clearly to this | 14:58 |
| pedro_ | MacSlow, roger, may you add a comment there? | 14:59 |
| MacSlow | F**K | 15:02 |
| MacSlow | added the commnt to the wrong bug | 15:02 |
| MacSlow | can I delete comments? | 15:02 |
| pedro_ | MacSlow, mm nope you cannot... | 15:03 |
| MacSlow | pedro_, well I commented and set to "Won't fix" | 15:04 |
| pedro_ | awesome :-) | 15:04 |
| MacSlow | pedro_, should it stay for "Wishlist"-importance? | 15:04 |
| pedro_ | MacSlow, yeah, it was a feature request but closed as won't fix it's ok to stay with that importance | 15:06 |
| KD8FYT | Howdy all | 15:29 |
| KD8FYT | I have been using ubuntu since version 5, and ran into a problem after the latest upgrade from 8.10 to 9 | 15:29 |
| KD8FYT | I have dont lots of reading on the internet as well, and no resolution | 15:29 |
| KD8FYT | *done | 15:30 |
| KD8FYT | well shit | 15:33 |
| bddebian | Boo | 15:43 |
| hggdh | baboo, sir | 15:49 |
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| pedro_ | MacSlow, have you seen bug 347565 ? | 16:44 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 347565 in notify-osd "notication window does not follow panel" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/347565 | 16:44 |
| pedro_ | MacSlow, it was milestone for jaunty but didn't make it, do you have any updates on it? | 16:45 |
| MacSlow | pedro_, sorry no | 16:54 |
| MacSlow | pedro_, positioning is tricky because of metacity and compiz needing two separete code-paths for handling positioning | 16:55 |
| pedro_ | MacSlow, shall we move the milestone to later then? | 16:55 |
| MacSlow | pedro_, set it to karmic | 16:55 |
| pedro_ | MacSlow, ok will do , thanks | 16:55 |
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| plars | seems ubuntu-bug has issues when calling it on a .crash file | 17:32 |
| plars | you just get a popup saying "no such file or directory" | 17:32 |
| plars | anyone aware of a workaround for this? | 17:32 |
| pedro_ | plars, perhaps use apport-cli -c ? | 17:35 |
| plars | pedro_: cool, I'll suggest that... thanks! | 17:36 |
| pedro_ | you're welcome | 17:36 |
| * plars didn't realize apport-cli would handle crash files too, I've gotten too lazy with ubuntu-bug for everything :) | 17:36 | |
| bdmurray | plars: I'd report a bug about that too, it'd make sense for ubuntu-bug to work with crash files | 17:48 |
| plars | bdmurray: it already exists: | 18:08 |
| plars | <bdmurray> plars: I'd report a bug about that too, it'd make sense for ubuntu-bug to work with crash files | 18:08 |
| plars | err | 18:08 |
| plars | stupid cut/paste | 18:09 |
| plars | bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/401973 | 18:09 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 401973 in apport "ubuntu-bug's quoting prevents .crash files from being reported" [Low,Triaged] | 18:09 |
| bdmurray | plars: great, thanks | 18:14 |
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| micahg | ping bdmurray | 19:32 |
| bdmurray | hi | 19:32 |
| micahg | hi | 19:32 |
| micahg | can I get my bug control membership extended? expires at end of month? | 19:33 |
| bdmurray | micahg: done | 19:37 |
| micahg | thanks :) | 19:37 |
| charles_ | anyone around who can change the Status of #407692 to Won't Fix? | 20:20 |
| bdmurray | bug 407692 | 20:20 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 407692 in transmission "Icon for Transmission does not suggest the program's purpose" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407692 | 20:20 |
| charles_ | bug 407692 | 20:20 |
| bdmurray | charles_: I can understand why it would be Won't Fix for Ubuntu but why for upstream? | 20:23 |
| charles_ | for the reasons I gave in comment #5 | 20:24 |
| charles_ | what icon intrinsically says "bittorrent client"? | 20:24 |
| charles_ | I have no idea | 20:24 |
| charles_ | if an artist were to magically drop such an icon in my lap I'd consider it, but unless that happens, there's nothing to be done about this ticket | 20:25 |
| bdmurray | that makes sense but my making it won't fix it is harder for an artist to find | 20:27 |
| bdmurray | s/my/by/ | 20:27 |
| bdmurray | so I think leaving it open would increase it chances of getting fixed | 20:28 |
| charles_ | hm, that might be true | 20:28 |
| charles_ | that's a good point | 20:28 |
| bdmurray | charles_: so then what would you like to have happen with it? | 20:33 |
| charles_ | hmmm | 20:35 |
| charles_ | "Confirmed" is the only one of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status that really fits | 20:35 |
| charles_ | it feels wrong to leave a ticket intentionally open for an indefinite period.... | 20:37 |
| bdmurray | How is that? | 20:39 |
| greg-g | *cough* bug 1 *cough* | 20:40 |
| greg-g | ;) | 20:40 |
| ubot4 | greg-g: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out | 20:40 |
| bdmurray | heh | 20:40 |
| grepory | bug 1 is awesome. | 20:40 |
| ubot4 | grepory: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out | 20:40 |
| grepory | i stumbled across that when look for bugs w/ mentoring available. | 20:40 |
| grepory | (which it has) | 20:41 |
| charles_ | greg-g: point taken :) | 20:41 |
| micahg1 | charles_: as I started cleaning out the old firefox packages, sometimes I can get things moving on 3-4 year old bugs | 20:41 |
| charles_ | possibly it feels odd because I've been using the transmission launchpad ticket count as a yardstick lately... the last couple of point releases have closed a lot of launchpad tickets | 20:43 |
| charles_ | transmission gets more good suggestions & useful bug reports from launchpad than any other two distro trackers | 20:44 |
| micahg1 | awesome :D | 20:45 |
| greg-g | charles_: yeah, I can understand the desire to keep bug report statistics "clean." Maybe "[Wishlist] It'd be nice if there was an icon that conveyed 'bittorrent application'" :) | 20:45 |
| greg-g | charles_: thats great | 20:45 |
| micahg1 | charles_: I started using the qa site to show trends | 20:45 |
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| micahg | do you use it? | 20:45 |
| charles_ | no. I've been using the tickets system and follow brainstorm, but haven't looked at the qa site | 20:46 |
| micahg | idk if they have stats for transmission | 20:47 |
| micahg | I can't seem to find it | 20:47 |
| bdmurray | charles_: do you have any theories as to why the bug reports in Launchpad are better? | 20:51 |
| charles_ | hm. well for the handful of crashes, the automated tracing/retracing has been very nice. but in general.. no idea. | 20:52 |
| charles_ | for example fedora's tracker only has a handful of transmission tickets at all, even though it's the default torrent app there too | 20:52 |
| charles_ | compare/contrast to launchpad which has had 259 transmission tickets... | 20:54 |
| greg-g | so a combination of volume and retracing | 20:54 |
| greg-g | cool | 20:54 |
| thekorn | maybe fedora's user don't use bittorrent ;) | 20:54 |
| charles_ | even though ubuntu is the biggest distro, they don't have a 10x lead over fedora, so I still get more feedback from launchpad even after taking market share into account | 20:56 |
| charles_ | thekorn: maybe so. | 20:56 |
| greg-g | "the sociological norms of the major distros" I foresee an academic paper coming out of this discussion | 20:57 |
| kklimonda | charles_: please, leave 407692 for a while longer | 20:58 |
| charles_ | kklimonda: yes, bdmurray talked me out of wontfix :) | 20:59 |
| kklimonda | charles_: I'll handle it once I get in contact with bdmurray on ubuntu-bugsquad as it's quite an interesting case | 20:59 |
| kklimonda | great :) | 20:59 |
| charles_ | kklimonda: googling around for p2p + icon, I found http://tinyurl.com/qq7xu4 which is someone's stock image, but might be a good starting point for a suitably-inspired icon artist | 21:01 |
| thekorn | maybe ubuntu's design team has a good idea about an icon | 21:01 |
| thekorn | on the other hand, changing an icon off a successfull application is a no go, IMO. people identify software by its icon | 21:02 |
| charles_ | it conveys the nature of p2p better than upload/download arrows imo, since p2p is about everyone sharing with everyone else | 21:02 |
| hggdh | greg-g, I like the tile of the paper. Now, I wonder which conference/symposium/workshop it would be best suited for... | 21:03 |
| charles_ | thekorn: I'm sure changing the icon to suit the gnome HIG would be a tough sell to the devs on the mac client... :) | 21:03 |
| kklimonda | :) | 21:03 |
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| kklimonda | maybe it's a wrong approach? I was thinking about it other day.. | 21:04 |
| kklimonda | I think we could divide users of bittorrent client into two categories - those who know about bittorrent and those who just want to download files. The first group would be attached to a single torrent client and for them an icon that make no sense isn't a proble as they know it already | 21:05 |
| kklimonda | and for people who don't know about bit torrent at all finding an icon that make sense may be impossible. I think that a good solution would be to create some sort of download centre where all different kinds of downloads are handled.. then more generic, hig compliant icon could be used. | 21:06 |
| BUGabundo | hey kids | 21:32 |
| kklimonda | hey mister | 22:21 |
| BUGabundo | hey kklimonda sir | 22:24 |
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