[02:11] <micahg> ogasawara: I replaced my laptop, should I close out old hw issues I had since I can no longer test anything?
[02:12] <micahg> assuming I was the only one with the issue of course
[02:12] <ogasawara> micahg: yah that'd be great
[02:13] <micahg> ok, thanks
[05:16] <charles_> kklimonda: IMO #407692 should be changed to `wontfix'.  it's not `incomplete' since we don't need any more information from the bug reporter
[05:16] <charles_> kklimonda: unless you got a better answer from the ubuntu-art team?
[05:40] <kholerabbi> charles_: have you considered using up and down arrows on the icon?
[07:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:38] <thekorn> good morning
[08:38] <thekorn> and happy hugday
[08:41] <seb128> hey thekorn
[08:42] <thekorn> hi seb128
[08:54] <micahg> hi seb128
[08:54] <seb128> hey micahg
[08:54] <micahg> would the crash in bug 410664 have been fixed with gtk 2.17.7?
[08:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 410664 in firefox-3.5 "firefox-3.5 crashed with signal 5 in _XError()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410664
[08:55] <seb128> micahg, I don't know there was quite som client side rendering fixes there
[08:55] <seb128> could be
[08:55] <micahg> ok, I'll request user try with latest GTK
[08:57] <seb128> mdz_, ^ that seems similar to the issue you had some weeks ago, is there still a bug about that?
[08:57] <seb128> mdz_, the one where firefox was crashing when run by apport
[08:58] <mdz_> seb128, bug 401055
[08:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 401055 in firefox "Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'firefox-3.5' received an X Window System error (BadWindow)" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401055
[08:58] <seb128> mdz, thanks
[08:59] <seb128> micahg, that's a duplicate of this one
[08:59] <micahg> ah, indeed
[09:00] <micahg> except I can't seem to move a bug that's duped against it
[09:00] <micahg> maybe someone else can?
[09:00] <micahg> bug 412685
[09:00] <ubot4> micahg: Bug 412685 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/412685 is private
[09:02] <mdz> micahg, un-duped
[09:03] <micahg> mdz: where was that from?
[09:03] <mdz> micahg, an apport crash report from https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~loedur
[09:03] <seb128> mdz, how did you have access to this bug?
[09:03] <mdz> seb128, I have LP super powers
[09:03]  * seb128 wants those ;-)
[09:04] <mdz> they marked the bug as a duplicate before the retracer found it, so I think the retracer skipped it
[09:04] <seb128> I've to ssh to retracers to subscribe the bug triage team to those every time which is boring
[09:06] <mdz> seb128, how about having the retracer always subscribe a "retracer team" of people who can see the core dumps?
[09:07] <seb128> could be a good idea yes
[09:07] <seb128> I will talk with pitti about that again when he's back
[09:15] <micahg> mdz: is bug 412010 the same?
[09:15] <ubot4> micahg: Bug 412010 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/412010 is private
[09:15] <micahg> THe first 4 of the stacktrace were the same
[09:16] <seb128> micahg, could be, hard to say without looking at the issue in details
[09:16] <micahg> the next one is XRemoteClient::CheckChildren instead of XRemoteClient::CheckWindow in yours
[09:16] <micahg> seb128: how much of the stacktrace needs to match to be a dup?
[09:17] <mdz> micahg, that one had no sensitive info in it (had been retraced), so I've just marked it public
[09:17] <mdz> seb128, you are in crash bug triagers, right?
[09:17] <seb128> micahg, depends, I don't know this codepath enough to tell if that's the same issue
[09:17] <seb128> mdz, yes, but the team is only subscribed after retracing
[09:17] <micahg> ok
[09:18] <mdz> seb128, right, 412010 was retraced, was wondering if you could see it
[09:18] <seb128> I can
[09:18] <seb128> the only bugs I can't see are the ones not retraced yet
[09:18] <seb128> and I often need to visit those when retracers crash on a bug to see what is wrong
[09:18] <seb128> or untag
[09:18] <seb128> anyway no big deal we have a subscribe command, it's just a ssh away ;-)
[11:49] <jarlen> how is the hug day of the week going?
[11:56]  * matti hugs jarlen 
[11:56] <matti> ;d
[12:49] <dholbach> Packaging Training Session "On-Call Review" with cjwatson, seb128, james_w and me in 12m in #ubuntu-classroom
[13:28] <MacSlow> pedro_: I'm here in any case
[13:29] <pedro_> MacSlow, nice, I was about to ask to what's the status of bug 402246, you commented there but didn't changed the status/importance ;-)
[13:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 402246 in notify-osd "Title has no limit of lines" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/402246
[13:31] <MacSlow> pedro_, updated
[13:31] <pedro_> MacSlow, thanks
[13:55] <pedro_> MacSlow, may you look at bug 401602 ?
[13:55] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 401602 in notify-osd "First notification appears as a GtkMessageDialog" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/401602
[13:56]  * MacSlow looks
[14:03] <MacSlow> pedro_, updated
[14:03]  * pedro_ updating the hug day page
[14:29] <pedro_> MacSlow, could you look at bug 410870 ?
[14:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 410870 in notify-osd "ActionInvoked and NotificationClosed signals alwas have zero ID" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410870
[14:30] <pedro_> brb
[14:45] <MacSlow> pedro_, hm... ID-couter incremeant works
[14:53] <MacSlow> pedro_, I'd set 410870 to "Needs more info" but I can't find that option
[14:54] <pedro_> MacSlow, incomplete is the needinfo on lp, i'll set that for you
[14:54] <MacSlow> updated
[14:54] <pedro_> MacSlow, what do you think about bug 381416 and bug 371093
[14:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 381416 in notify-osd "notify-osd should have a close button" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/381416
[14:54] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 371093 in notify-osd "[wishlist] Click to dismiss" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/371093
[14:55] <pedro_> they're requesting a similar feature: able to dismiss the notification, one with a button and the other with a click
[14:56] <MacSlow> pedro_, well that's for the bin if ask me (or the design-folks)
[14:56] <MacSlow> pedro_, people just didn't read the spec of notify-osd
[14:56] <MacSlow> pedro_, not having a close-button to dismiss notifications is a design-feature and not missing functionality
[14:58] <MacSlow> pedro_, design-folks and me say "won't fix" pretty clearly to this
[14:59] <pedro_> MacSlow, roger, may you add a comment there?
[15:02] <MacSlow> F**K
[15:02] <MacSlow> added the commnt to the wrong bug
[15:02] <MacSlow> can I delete comments?
[15:03] <pedro_> MacSlow, mm nope you cannot...
[15:04] <MacSlow> pedro_, well I commented and set to "Won't fix"
[15:04] <pedro_> awesome :-)
[15:04] <MacSlow> pedro_, should it stay for "Wishlist"-importance?
[15:06] <pedro_> MacSlow, yeah, it was a feature request but closed as won't fix it's ok to stay with that importance
[15:29] <KD8FYT> Howdy all
[15:29] <KD8FYT> I have been using ubuntu since version 5, and ran into a problem after the latest upgrade from 8.10 to 9
[15:29] <KD8FYT> I have dont lots of reading on the internet as well, and no resolution
[15:30] <KD8FYT> *done
[15:33] <KD8FYT> well shit
[15:43] <bddebian> Boo
[15:49] <hggdh> baboo, sir
[16:44] <pedro_> MacSlow, have you seen bug 347565 ?
[16:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 347565 in notify-osd "notication window does not follow panel" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/347565
[16:45] <pedro_> MacSlow, it was milestone for jaunty but didn't make it, do you have any updates on it?
[16:54] <MacSlow> pedro_, sorry no
[16:55] <MacSlow> pedro_, positioning is tricky because of metacity and compiz needing two separete code-paths for handling positioning
[16:55] <pedro_> MacSlow, shall we move the milestone to later then?
[16:55] <MacSlow> pedro_, set it to karmic
[16:55] <pedro_> MacSlow, ok will do , thanks
[17:32] <plars> seems ubuntu-bug has issues when calling it on a .crash file
[17:32] <plars> you just get a popup saying "no such file or directory"
[17:32] <plars> anyone aware of a workaround for this?
[17:35] <pedro_> plars, perhaps use apport-cli -c ?
[17:36] <plars> pedro_: cool, I'll suggest that... thanks!
[17:36] <pedro_> you're welcome
[17:36]  * plars didn't realize apport-cli would handle crash files too, I've gotten too lazy with ubuntu-bug for everything :)
[17:48] <bdmurray> plars: I'd report a bug about that too, it'd make sense for ubuntu-bug to work with crash files
[18:08] <plars> bdmurray: it already exists:
 plars: I'd report a bug about that too, it'd make sense for ubuntu-bug to work with crash files
[18:08] <plars> err
[18:09] <plars> stupid cut/paste
[18:09] <plars> bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/401973
[18:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 401973 in apport "ubuntu-bug's quoting prevents .crash files from being reported" [Low,Triaged]
[18:14] <bdmurray> plars: great, thanks
[19:32] <micahg> ping bdmurray
[19:32] <bdmurray> hi
[19:32] <micahg> hi
[19:33] <micahg> can I get my bug control membership extended?  expires at end of month?
[19:37] <bdmurray> micahg: done
[19:37] <micahg> thanks :)
[20:20] <charles_> anyone around who can change the Status of #407692 to Won't Fix?
[20:20] <bdmurray> bug 407692
[20:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 407692 in transmission "Icon for Transmission does not suggest the program's purpose" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407692
[20:20] <charles_> bug 407692
[20:23] <bdmurray> charles_: I can understand why it would be Won't Fix for Ubuntu but why for upstream?
[20:24] <charles_> for the reasons I gave in comment #5
[20:24] <charles_> what icon intrinsically says "bittorrent client"?
[20:24] <charles_> I have no idea
[20:25] <charles_> if an artist were to magically drop such an icon in my lap I'd consider it, but unless that happens, there's nothing to be done about this ticket
[20:27] <bdmurray> that makes sense but my making it won't fix it is harder for an artist to find
[20:27] <bdmurray> s/my/by/
[20:28] <bdmurray> so I think leaving it open would increase it chances of getting fixed
[20:28] <charles_> hm, that might be true
[20:28] <charles_> that's a good point
[20:33] <bdmurray> charles_: so then what would you like to have happen with it?
[20:35] <charles_> hmmm
[20:35] <charles_> "Confirmed" is the only one of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status that really fits
[20:37] <charles_> it feels wrong to leave a ticket intentionally open for an indefinite period....
[20:39] <bdmurray> How is that?
[20:40] <greg-g> *cough* bug 1 *cough*
[20:40] <greg-g> ;)
[20:40] <ubot4> greg-g: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[20:40] <bdmurray> heh
[20:40] <grepory> bug 1 is awesome.
[20:40] <ubot4> grepory: Error: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: The read operation timed out
[20:40] <grepory> i stumbled across that when look for bugs w/ mentoring available.
[20:41] <grepory> (which it has)
[20:41] <charles_> greg-g: point taken :)
[20:41] <micahg1> charles_: as I started cleaning out the old firefox packages, sometimes I can get things moving on 3-4 year old bugs
[20:43] <charles_> possibly it feels odd because I've been using the transmission launchpad ticket count as a yardstick lately... the last couple of point releases have closed a lot of launchpad tickets
[20:44] <charles_> transmission gets more good suggestions & useful bug reports from launchpad than any other two distro trackers
[20:45] <micahg1> awesome :D
[20:45] <greg-g> charles_: yeah, I can understand the desire to keep bug report statistics "clean."  Maybe "[Wishlist] It'd be nice if there was an icon that conveyed 'bittorrent application'" :)
[20:45] <greg-g> charles_: thats great
[20:45] <micahg1> charles_: I started using the qa site to show trends
[20:45] <micahg> do you use it?
[20:46] <charles_> no. I've been using the tickets system and follow brainstorm, but haven't looked at the qa site
[20:47] <micahg> idk if they have stats for transmission
[20:47] <micahg> I can't seem to find it
[20:51] <bdmurray> charles_: do you have any theories as to why the bug reports in Launchpad are better?
[20:52] <charles_> hm.  well for the handful of crashes, the automated tracing/retracing has been very nice.  but in general.. no idea.
[20:52] <charles_> for example fedora's tracker only has a handful of transmission tickets at all, even though it's the default torrent app there too
[20:54] <charles_> compare/contrast to launchpad which has had 259 transmission tickets...
[20:54] <greg-g> so a combination of volume and retracing
[20:54] <greg-g> cool
[20:54] <thekorn> maybe fedora's user don't use bittorrent ;)
[20:56] <charles_> even though ubuntu is the biggest distro, they don't have a 10x lead over fedora, so I still get more feedback from launchpad even after taking market share into account
[20:56] <charles_> thekorn: maybe so.
[20:57] <greg-g> "the sociological norms of the major distros"  I foresee an academic paper coming out of this discussion
[20:58] <kklimonda> charles_: please, leave 407692 for a while longer
[20:59] <charles_> kklimonda: yes, bdmurray talked me out of wontfix :)
[20:59] <kklimonda> charles_: I'll handle it once I get in contact with bdmurray on ubuntu-bugsquad as it's quite an interesting case
[20:59] <kklimonda> great :)
[21:01] <charles_> kklimonda: googling around for p2p + icon, I found http://tinyurl.com/qq7xu4 which is someone's stock image, but might be a good starting point for a suitably-inspired icon artist
[21:01] <thekorn> maybe ubuntu's design team has a good idea about an icon
[21:02] <thekorn> on the other hand, changing an icon off a successfull application is a no go, IMO. people identify software by its icon
[21:02] <charles_> it conveys the nature of p2p better than upload/download arrows imo, since p2p is about everyone sharing with everyone else
[21:03] <hggdh> greg-g, I like the tile of the paper. Now, I wonder which conference/symposium/workshop it would be best suited for...
[21:03] <charles_> thekorn: I'm sure changing the icon to suit the gnome HIG would be a tough sell to the devs on the mac client... :)
[21:03] <kklimonda> :)
[21:04] <kklimonda> maybe it's a wrong approach? I was thinking about it other day..
[21:05] <kklimonda> I think we could divide users of bittorrent client into two categories - those who know about bittorrent and those who just want to download files. The first group would be attached to a single torrent client and for them an icon that make no sense isn't a proble as they know it already
[21:06] <kklimonda> and for people who don't know about bit torrent at all finding an icon that make sense may be impossible. I think that a good solution would be to create some sort of download centre where all different kinds of downloads are handled.. then more generic, hig compliant icon could be used.
[21:32] <BUGabundo> hey kids
[22:21] <kklimonda> hey mister
[22:24] <BUGabundo> hey kklimonda sir