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| TheMuso | slangasek: studio will have to be respun due to the new kernel not being out of the NEW queue when .1 was spun. | 00:17 |
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| slangasek | TheMuso: respinning now | 00:19 |
| TheMuso | slangasek: thanks | 00:19 |
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| slangasek | TheMuso: posted to the tracker | 00:38 |
| slangasek | hrm, hang on | 00:38 |
| slangasek | just got a failure mail; so I guess the ones I posted are in fact the same ones as before | 00:39 |
| slangasek | yeah, linux-image-rt still uninstallable | 00:40 |
| TheMuso | hrm I'll check that out | 00:40 |
| slangasek | still digging here | 00:41 |
| slangasek | ah, it's 20090813 now, isn't it :) | 00:42 |
| slangasek | ok, trying again | 00:42 |
| slangasek | right, got past the breakage this time - must've been a transient connectivity problem with lp | 00:42 |
| TheMuso | ah ok. | 00:42 |
| TheMuso | I was going to say all looks ok here, the kernel has been p ublished, the dependencies look correct... | 00:43 |
| slangasek | right, the packages were uninstallable because the isos didn't really get rebuilt | 00:45 |
| TheMuso | ah ok | 00:46 |
| slangasek | TheMuso: ok, really posted now | 00:50 |
| TheMuso | slangasek: ok thanks. | 00:55 |
| * TheMuso tries out zsync for the first time. | 00:58 | |
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| ebroder | has anybody done any experimentation with running Ubuntu's debian-installer as a Xen domU? | 04:20 |
| ebroder | (a la http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Xen) | 04:21 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:10 |
| \sh | moins | 07:23 |
| AnAnt | could someone sponsor this merge request, it's been filed about 2 weeks ago: LP 406890 | 07:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 406890 in irssi "Please merge irssi 0.8.14-1(main) from debian unstable(main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406890 | 07:24 |
| * Hobbsee looks at it | 07:26 | |
| AnAnt | thanks | 07:26 |
| StevenK | irssi is in main, and main is frozen | 07:26 |
| AnAnt | frozen since when ? | 07:26 |
| AnAnt | isn't feature freeze near end of august ? | 07:26 |
| soren | Alpha freeze. Since Tuesday. | 07:27 |
| Hobbsee | no, alpha 4 | 07:27 |
| * Hobbsee will sanity-look, and upload it later | 07:27 | |
| soren | It'll be over some time today, probably. | 07:27 |
| AnAnt | oh, it's still Thursday | 07:27 |
| AnAnt | sorry, I thought it was friday | 07:27 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: if you are in sponsor more ;) bug #412861 is needing love, too ;) | 07:28 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: ok, thanks | 07:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 412861 in libqt-perl "libqt-perl_3.008-4 FTBFS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412861 | 07:28 |
| \sh | s/more/mode/ | 07:28 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: nah, not in sponsor mode. and can't you sponsor? | 07:28 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: not for main | 07:28 |
| Hobbsee | oh | 07:28 |
| \sh | s/oh/doh/ ;) | 07:28 |
| maco | oh god too many slashes in too many directions | 07:28 |
| * StevenK slashes maco | 07:28 | |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: that doesn't look right - I highly doubt 03firsttimer_text ever gets applied. | 07:30 |
| * Hobbsee will fix it | 07:30 | |
| AnAnt | ok, thanks | 07:32 |
| Hobbsee | eh, crap, tha'ts quilt | 07:32 |
| * Hobbsee goes to look up how quilt applies patches | 07:32 | |
| AnAnt | I can work on it | 07:32 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: "Badly" | 07:32 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: well, i've looked at it this far. may as well do a full upload ;) | 07:33 |
| spm | StevenK: is that a technical description or a personal observation? idly curious. :-) | 07:33 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: agreed ;) | 07:33 |
| AnAnt | ok | 07:33 |
| maco | oh oh i can get quilt import to work consistently now :D (this is new since UDS when some of you heard me whining about how hard quilt is) | 07:34 |
| StevenK | spm: It's both, since I'm clever | 07:34 |
| \sh | quilt and hard? | 07:34 |
| StevenK | quilt isn't hard, it's just braindead | 07:34 |
| spm | StevenK: apologies. I should have realised by now. :-P | 07:35 |
| StevenK | spm: s/clever/bitter/ to taste | 07:35 |
| AnAnt | StevenK: you prefer what simple-patchsys ? | 07:35 |
| StevenK | AnAnt: Heck no, CDBS is a broken black-box | 07:35 |
| AnAnt | StevenK: dpatch ? | 07:36 |
| StevenK | debhelper 5 or 7 with dpatch | 07:36 |
| AnAnt | ah | 07:36 |
| maco | \sh: ive managed to bungle up quilt so thoroughly before that scottk couldnt undo it after a few hours of trying. running the commands in the wrong order tends todo that :P | 07:37 |
| ScottK | Quilt is the Git of patching systems and I don't mean that in a good way. | 07:37 |
| Hobbsee | simple-patchsys is nice, when it works | 07:37 |
| StevenK | Bwaha | 07:37 |
| Hobbsee | oh, go away postfix. | 07:38 |
| maco | oh postfix...thats a mail thing right? | 07:38 |
| maco | that means ScottK knows about it? | 07:38 |
| ScottK | Only when it's working | 07:38 |
| Hobbsee | yeah - installed when you install devscripts | 07:38 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: And when CDBS isn't obstreperous | 07:38 |
| AnAnt | ScottK: ah, we really do differ ! | 07:38 |
| Hobbsee | hahahaha | 07:38 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: well, yeah | 07:38 |
| StevenK | Which is well, all the time | 07:38 |
| AnAnt | I prefer quilt & git | 07:38 |
| AnAnt | over dpatch & bzr | 07:39 |
| ScottK | AnAnt: I saw you took care of the blueman sync from Debian. What would you think about dropping show-only-in-gnome from the .desktop files. I tested it and it works better in KDE than kdebluetooth, | 07:39 |
| AnAnt | I find them easier to deal with | 07:39 |
| StevenK | I'm sorry, my brain just page faulted | 07:39 |
| StevenK | You just said git and easier in one sentence | 07:39 |
| ScottK | I'm sure I'd be fine with Git if I used it regularly enough to not have to relearn it every time I use it. | 07:39 |
| AnAnt | StevenK: hehe | 07:40 |
| AnAnt | ScottK: ok, I'll look at that | 07:40 |
| \sh | maco: lol...well, it takes some time to get used to quilt | 07:41 |
| AnAnt | ScottK: btw, can you mean this in the blueman thread ? | 07:42 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: oh, it's right. | 07:43 |
| AnAnt | ScottK: although I don't think that this would make a difference | 07:43 |
| \sh | maco: but if you want to learn from the masters of patch systems, check the python source package dpatch system ;) that's one of my favorites how to use dpatch in a let's say "doko" way ;) it took my brain some time to understand the logic behind it..since then , doko is my patch system master :) | 07:43 |
| AnAnt | ScottK: since upstream responsiveness is really important indeed | 07:43 |
| ScottK | AnAnt: Not to make it default, but just to work. | 07:43 |
| ScottK | kdebluetooth is pretty broken right now. | 07:43 |
| * Hobbsee moves irssi to to_dput/ in the hope she remembers to upload it | 07:45 | |
| AnAnt | ScottK: erm, I'm not good at CDBS ! | 07:45 |
| ScottK | cdbs-edit-patch and edit the .desktops. | 07:45 |
| StevenK | And then exit the subshell | 07:45 |
| AnAnt | Hobbsee: I'll remind you tommorrow (I hope) | 07:45 |
| Hobbsee | AnAnt: cool, OK | 07:46 |
| \sh | now for some more interesting work...more puppet love | 07:47 |
| AnAnt | ScottK: is there a bug filed about this ? | 07:48 |
| StevenK | \sh: Now now | 07:48 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: sponsor! sponsor! | 07:48 |
| ScottK | AnAnt: No | 07:48 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: and grabbed your patch too | 07:49 |
| lifeless | win 71 | 07:49 |
| AnAnt | ScottK: could you do so ? | 07:50 |
| ScottK | Sure | 07:50 |
| ScottK | AnAnt: I ended up just expanding on Bug #399129, but it's there now. | 07:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 399129 in blueman "Blueman doesn't start in Xfce sessions" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/399129 | 07:54 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: thx a lot :) | 07:54 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: y/w | 07:54 |
| AnAnt | ScottK: I should just attach a debdiff to that, right ? | 07:54 |
| ScottK | AnAnt: Yes. I'll sponsor it. | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | oh, screw you, launchpad | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | you have improved, but that bug is still here | 07:56 |
| StevenK | Hah | 07:56 |
| Hobbsee | search results --> reorder == search terms lost. Fail. | 07:57 |
| AnAnt | ScottK: done, also submitted patch to debian | 08:00 |
| ScottK | AnAnt: Thanks. I'll look at it, but maybe not until tomorrow as it's very late here. | 08:01 |
| AnAnt | ok, I gotta run too | 08:01 |
| AnAnt | bye | 08:01 |
| ScottK | Debian may have a different view as for KDE this is very much a workaround for broken kdebluetooth | 08:01 |
| AnAnt | ScottK: well, a KDE/Xfce user on Debian might still like to have blueman | 08:02 |
| ScottK | True, but if kdebluetooth was working great, having the Gnomish applet appear in a KDE session might be troubling. | 08:02 |
| AnAnt | ah, ok | 08:03 |
| ScottK | Still it's probably good to get them to think about it. | 08:03 |
| AnAnt | ok | 08:05 |
| AnAnt | so, I've got to leave now | 08:06 |
| AnAnt | bye | 08:06 |
| dholbach | Hobbsee, quadrispro: thanks for doing some sponsoring right now! :) | 08:07 |
| Hobbsee | dholbach: consider it my yearly sponsoring quota ;) | 08:07 |
| dholbach | more! more! more! | 08:07 |
| quadrispro | lol | 08:07 |
| quadrispro | dholbach: thanks for the add (on facebook)! :D | 08:08 |
| StevenK | quadrispro: Now you'll get bugged about sponsorship on IRC and facebook | 08:08 |
| * StevenK hides | 08:08 | |
| dholbach | StevenK: sponsoring! | 08:09 |
| dholbach | StevenK: sponsoring! | 08:09 |
| dholbach | StevenK: sponsoring! | 08:09 |
| * quadrispro screaming: NOOoooo | 08:09 | |
| Hobbsee | dholbach: actually, make that 3 bugs. That's gotta be the yearly sponsoring quota ;) | 08:09 |
| dholbach | for your convenience: http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ | 08:09 |
| quadrispro | mmmh... I need a tester... | 08:10 |
| maco | your fave link :P | 08:10 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel/+bug/374802 is probably your fun | 08:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 374802 in quassel "Consider building versions of quassel and quassel-client without KDE dependencies" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 08:15 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Last I saw the patch there it switched from using cdbs to dh and that's a problem as we have a lot of kde specific magic in cdbs we'd lose. | 08:25 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: then comment / reject it? | 08:25 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: in the spirit of killing easy things off that list | 08:26 |
| ScottK | OK | 08:26 |
| maxb | Where would I find devicekit-power gurus? | 08:43 |
| seb128 | maxb, bugs.freedesktop.org? | 08:44 |
| maxb | fair enough. I was wondering if there was anywhere on IRC I couldd go for pointers in debugging why it doesn't like my battery | 08:46 |
| maxb | lp 384304 ftr | 08:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 384304 in devicekit-power "devicekit-power fails to realize I'm on battery" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/384304 | 08:47 |
| seb128 | not sure if they have an irc channel | 08:48 |
| seb128 | in ubuntu pitti is looking at devkit but he's on holidays | 08:48 |
| maxb | ok, I'll try my luck in bugzilla then | 08:49 |
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| dupondje | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/397776 <- this is a quite important bug that needs to be fixed imo :( | 11:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 397776 in brasero "Unable to find any device" [Low,Confirmed] | 11:28 |
| james_w | how can I find the I/O load of a machine without using any fancy tools? | 12:11 |
| james_w | e.g. I know iotop, but it's not installed on this box | 12:11 |
| Daviey | james_w: /proc/diskstats and awk :) | 12:13 |
| james_w | thanks | 12:14 |
| Daviey | james_w: http://erk.daviey.com/diskio.txt | 12:17 |
| james_w | thanks | 12:17 |
| bankix | Hi. | 12:20 |
| bankix | I'm just about creating a live system basing heavily on ubuntu. Due there is no way in exchanging the kernel afterwards, but possible to install other new packages on a persistent filesystem (e.g. usb stick), I want apt to keep the kernel I delivered and do not install a newer one, which would only be a waste of space. I set linux-image-*-generic, linux-image-generic and linux-generic on hold, but an apt-get dist-upgrade still wants to install me a | 12:23 |
| amitk | wohoo, first nautilus crashed (apport pops up, I lose theming), then gnome-settings-daemon crashed (apport pops up), in the meanwhile firefox crashes while apport tried to file a bug and apport popped up | 12:23 |
| slangasek | amitk: heh | 12:25 |
| ogra | we call that apport *integration* ;) | 12:26 |
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| bankix | ..found the problem. I should do a "apt-get upgrade" and no "dist-upgrade". Thanks for listening. | 12:35 |
| bankix | Bye... | 12:36 |
| bankix | Sorry, I've got another question: When running "apt-get update" via chroot (while mounted dev, sys and proc via --bind so the chroot has access to them) it will (re-)start some services -- cron, udev, acpid, and some more. How can I suppress this? | 12:45 |
| cjwatson | I think what you're supposed to do is write a /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d script that just does 'exit 101' | 12:47 |
| cjwatson | /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz | 12:47 |
| cjwatson | it is possible that this is marginally overengineered ... | 12:48 |
| bankix | Thanks! | 12:48 |
| bankix | I'll give this a try. | 12:48 |
| dholbach | Packaging Training Session "On-Call Review" with cjwatson, seb128, james_w and me in 12m in #ubuntu-classroom | 12:49 |
| tkamppeter | ccheney: hi | 12:50 |
| liw | cjwatson, it's so marverlously flexible nobody uses it, yes | 12:52 |
| mdz | asac, https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/412226 (notice the automatic driver-ndiswrapper tag) | 12:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 412226 in kdebase "Dolphin icon mouseover indicators are very laggy with KDE 4.3.x and Karmic on AMD64" [Undecided,New] | 12:54 |
| slangasek | liw: there's nothing quite like a hammer with a slinky for a handle | 12:55 |
| liw | however, at least the "exit 101" solution for preventing any services from starting in a chroot is easy to implement | 12:56 |
| mdz | asac, it also adds rfkill info, crda, etc. | 12:56 |
| asac | nice | 12:57 |
| mdz | and the overall source_network-manager.py is much shorter | 12:58 |
| mdz | asac, I pushed those hanges to ubuntu.head, hope that's ok. if you'd rather I send merge requests, I can do that | 12:58 |
| tkamppeter | ccheney: I have a question about OpenOffice.org bug 94173 | 12:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 94173 in gnome-panel "does not fill screen" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94173 | 12:59 |
| tkamppeter | ubottu, it must be http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=94173 | 13:00 |
| ubottu | Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 13:00 |
| ubottu | OpenOffice.org bug 94173 in gsl "Let OpenOffice.org send the data in PDF format to the printing system" [Enhancement,New: ] | 13:00 |
| asac | mdz: thats ok. i can add you to NM team officially too (seems you can push everywhere?) | 13:00 |
| asac | mdz: but please use a proper email in your commits ;) | 13:00 |
| asac | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/network-manager/ubuntu.head | 13:00 |
| asac | some email that is linked to a launchpad account | 13:00 |
| mdz | asac, fixed my .bazaar.conf on this machine, sorry | 13:00 |
| mdz | asac, I can uncommit and recommit to fix it | 13:01 |
| asac | ok | 13:01 |
| asac | that would beautify it ;) | 13:01 |
| asac | mdz: oh. we also add the email to the [...] usually ... because in that way it also gets directly linked from the uploaded changelog | 13:02 |
| asac | but i can do that when i next touch it for you too | 13:02 |
| asac | (probably dch should be improved to do that) | 13:02 |
| asac | thx for your work on this | 13:02 |
| mdz | asac, ok, I made those changes. look ok now? | 13:05 |
| asac | mdz: yeah. thanks. i will probably add a bunch of more drivers (if not all that i find) | 13:08 |
| bankix | cjwatson: Thanks again, that's what I was looking for. Worked like a charm. | 13:08 |
| asac | maybe that could be moved to the apport wifi hooks too at some point? | 13:08 |
| mdz | asac, yes, that would be great, if you could agree with the kernel team on a standard set of tags | 13:09 |
| mdz | Keybuk, can you give us a hint on what should replace the lshal code in source_network-manager.py ? | 13:10 |
| bankix | Bye. | 13:10 |
| asac | i thought about something like udevadmn info --query=all --attribute-walk --path=/sys/class/net/* | 13:10 |
| asac | but that doesnt work. not sure if we can refer to "class" paths directly in --path ... or if we need to resolve the right sysfs path | 13:11 |
| mdz | asac, this works, but produces a lot of data: | 13:12 |
| mdz | for dev in /sys/class/net/*; do udevadm info --query=all --attribute-walk --path=$dev; done | 13:12 |
| mdz | we probably want to parse that into some easier-to-read form | 13:13 |
| asac | seems udevadm info --query=all --path=/class/net/eth2 --attribute-walk works | 13:13 |
| mdz | (the lshal form was not that great either) | 13:13 |
| asac | hmm i think its ok for now ... not so sure what type of info we will need, so better have more. the other question is how we can find a good subset of /class/tty/* things without requiring that the modem prober worked well (which adds a ID_NM label) | 13:14 |
| asac | attaching all ttys doesnt sound like the right approach ;) | 13:15 |
| Keybuk | mdz: what's source_network-manager.py ? | 13:15 |
| asac | apport hook of NM | 13:15 |
| asac | Keybuk: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~network-manager/network-manager/ubuntu.head/annotate/head%3A/source_network-manager.py | 13:16 |
| Keybuk | right that kind of udev query would work fine | 13:16 |
| Keybuk | someone enterprising could do a python-udev, that would be fun ;) | 13:16 |
| mdz | Keybuk, the apport hook for network-manager, which you'll have on your system in /usr/share/apport/package-hooks | 13:16 |
| asac | ok so i would suggest to use the query above for net devices and then think a bit about the modem ttys | 13:17 |
| asac | probably start with those already identified as NM_ modems | 13:17 |
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| asac | but i have to think about it. the udev output is particular useful to have for those modems not properly detected | 13:18 |
| mdz | asac, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingNetworkManager refers to /lib/udev/nm-modem-probe, but i don't have that on my system | 13:35 |
| mdz | that seems like useful info to add to the hook | 13:35 |
| asac | mdz: we dont have that anymore - since modemmanager landed | 13:36 |
| asac | i will check with nm upstream what they think should be added for modems | 13:37 |
| slangasek | plars: does bug #411091 happen on each suspend/resume? | 13:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 411091 in netbook-launcher "netbook-launcher crashed with SIGSEGV in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__OBJECT()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411091 | 13:38 |
| mdz | asac, at the least I think we should add modemmanager to the syslog regex | 13:38 |
| asac | yeah | 13:39 |
| asac | wonder if there is anything we can do in apport so users get to know that modem related bugs should now get filed against modemmanager package | 13:41 |
| seb128 | asac, you can do interactive hooks or be smart | 13:43 |
| asac | seb128: yeah. but i think we should need to check the title entered for words like "3g" and "modem" | 13:44 |
| mdz | asac, I've added modem-manager to the regex in apport, will be in the next upload | 13:44 |
| seb128 | asac, why not just have a small interactive hook? | 13:44 |
| seb128 | asac, ask "is your issue a 3g modem one" | 13:44 |
| mdz | asac, seb128++ | 13:44 |
| asac | i dont know about that feature ;) | 13:45 |
| asac | would be great for sure | 13:45 |
| mdz | asac, we could easily add a hook which asks the user "which connection are you having a problem with?" | 13:45 |
| seb128 | asac, ubuntu-bug -p totem | 13:45 |
| asac | otherwise network-manager will become a "catch all" package similar to firefox | 13:45 |
| mdz | then change the package, tags, debug info, etc. as appropriate for that | 13:45 |
| asac | sounds good | 13:45 |
| mdz | asac, could let them select either an NM connection profile, or a network interface | 13:46 |
| asac | hmm. i think that would be great in the long run. but for now we could also ask for "what type of connection do you have a problem with: a) wired, b) wifi, c) modem/3g, d) VPN" | 13:47 |
| seb128 | asac, you have details in package-hooks.txt.gz | 13:49 |
| seb128 | on what questions you can ask, etc | 13:49 |
| seb128 | or you can look to totem or devicekit-disks for examples | 13:50 |
| seb128 | seems pitti didn't upload the devicekit one | 13:51 |
| asac | thx will check that out ... and hoping for more contributions ;) | 14:00 |
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| afmacedo_ | question: Is Ubuntu willing to make packagekit the default package-manager? | 14:57 |
| afmacedo_ | or that's gonna work for Kubuntu only? | 14:57 |
| seb128 | does it handle debconf questions, etc now | 14:58 |
| ccm | seb128: finally got a full backtrace - interested before i post it? | 14:58 |
| seb128 | slangasek, when do you expect the freeze to be over? | 14:58 |
| ScottK | afmacedo_: That presumes it actually works for Kubuntu. | 14:58 |
| seb128 | ccm, yes on pastebin | 14:59 |
| ccm | seb128: yes, of course, wait a sec | 14:59 |
| ccm | *giggle* | 14:59 |
| ccm | 5988 segmentation fault (core dumped) gedit gdb-firefox5.txt | 14:59 |
| ccm | not my day | 14:59 |
| afmacedo_ | ScottK: To be honest, I don't remember having it updating a package which demands debconf interaction | 14:59 |
| beuno | slangasek, bug 412925 is going to be... hard to address | 15:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 412925 in launchpad "new ajax interface for changing bug statuses is too easy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412925 | 15:00 |
| ScottK | afmacedo_: It's happened to me. The lack of security concerns me the most. | 15:00 |
| beuno | slangasek, it will require a lot of creativity at least | 15:00 |
| ScottK | Also there's no equivalent of dist-upgrade in kpackagekit last I tried it. | 15:00 |
| afmacedo_ | I see... | 15:00 |
| ScottK | fwiw, adept 3 had the same security issues (that are at least partially addressed now). | 15:01 |
| james_w | that's being partially implemented now | 15:01 |
| james_w | (dist-upgrade) | 15:02 |
| ScottK | james_w: Which? Security or dist-upgrade? | 15:02 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 15:02 |
| ScottK | Excellent. | 15:02 |
| ccm | seb128: http://paste2.org/p/376339 | 15:02 |
| ccm | seb128: currently a lot of applications are crashing here | 15:02 |
| ccm | seb128: looks like libpango | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | afmacedo_: we've talked briefly about tunnelling debconf over d-bus or something so that packagekit can handle it properly, but to my knowledge nobody has done the work | 15:02 |
| afmacedo_ | ok... so if I got it right: kpackagekit handles debconf already AND dist-upgrade is partially implemented, is that correct? | 15:03 |
| afmacedo_ | cjwatson: got it | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | how does kpackagekit handle debconf? | 15:03 |
| seb128 | ccm, dpkg -l libpango1.0-0 | 15:03 |
| james_w | cjwatson: it doesn't | 15:03 |
| ScottK | afmacedo_: I don't think it does debconf | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | that's what I thought | 15:03 |
| afmacedo_ | cjwatson: same here | 15:03 |
| cjwatson | if anyone figures it out, as debconf co-maintainer I'd be happy to review patches | 15:03 |
| ccm | seb128: ii libpango1.0-0 1.25.2-0ubuntu2 Layout and rendering of internationalized text | 15:03 |
| james_w | there's a further issue in that the idea of debconf conflicts with the model for user interaction in packagekit | 15:04 |
| ScottK | beuno: At least have the ajax window open with the current status under the mouse so an accidental unclick doesn't change status. | 15:04 |
| seb128 | ccm, could you use pastebin.ubuntu.com ratheR? | 15:04 |
| seb128 | ccm, no way to copy from that weird pastebin you use | 15:05 |
| ccm | seb128: i would, but the browser crashes | 15:05 |
| seb128 | or rather it changes formating | 15:05 |
| seb128 | hum ok | 15:05 |
| ccm | seb128: so i used gnome-do as a work around | 15:05 |
| ccm | seb128: i can mail you the file | 15:05 |
| seb128 | anyway wait for 1.15.3 | 15:05 |
| cjwatson | ccm: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/ubuntu-paste | 15:05 |
| beuno | ScottK, that can be tricky, as we would either need to move the mouse, or move the overlay. But yes, we should find a way to prevent accidental changes as much as we can | 15:05 |
| seb128 | ccm, some crashers are fixed that | 15:05 |
| seb128 | but it's blocked due to alpha freeze | 15:06 |
| ccm | seb128: okay | 15:06 |
| ccm | cjwatson: thank you! | 15:06 |
| ccm | seb128: okay, there is the new paste http://paste.ubuntu.com/252531/ | 15:07 |
| ccm | cjwatson: works like a charm | 15:07 |
| ccm | seb128: will wait for the update then | 15:07 |
| cjwatson | wow, gdb output that's been sent into RTL is very very confusing to read | 15:08 |
| dholbach | james_w, seb128, cjwatson: the log is up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training/Logs/2009-08-13 - thanks again | 15:19 |
| dholbach | james_w, seb128, cjwatson: reading it again it doesn't strike me as too confusing - what do you think? | 15:19 |
| seb128 | dholbach, thanks | 15:19 |
| seb128 | dholbach, looks good to me too | 15:21 |
| dholbach | seb128: I guess we should have those sessions more often - it was a lot of fun :) | 15:23 |
| seb128 | dholbach, yeah, twice a month or something | 15:25 |
| seb128 | dholbach, or maybe some one hour sponsoring, ftbfs etc sprint | 15:25 |
| seb128 | so some people work together to get things done | 15:26 |
| dholbach | yeah, I'm not sure myself what the best format for it is | 15:27 |
| dholbach | in the ideal world (as I imagine it), we'd have a 24/7 channel and always have a few people whose name is in the topic to indicate they're reviewing right now :) | 15:27 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 15:27 |
| ccm | seb128: filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pango1.0/+bug/413098 - just for tracking this down | 15:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 413098 in pango1.0 "libpango1.0-0 on karmic crashes (e.g. Firefox)" [Undecided,New] | 15:28 |
| seb128 | ccm, thanks | 15:28 |
| cjwatson | dholbach: actually I think that'd be brilliant | 15:28 |
| seb128 | dholbach, it seems it's difficult for some people to spend sponsoring time | 15:29 |
| seb128 | having a one hour slot with some people and getting some animation on IRC could be good | 15:29 |
| seb128 | we would rotate people, that would give some action and get some sponsoring done | 15:29 |
| dholbach | even if it every now and then (on the WE for example) it says "current reviewer: -" | 15:30 |
| dholbach | seb128: I'd hope those people very soon realised that should MAKE MORE TIME to do reviews :-) | 15:30 |
| ccheney | tkamppeter: OOo bug tracker or lp? | 15:30 |
| seb128 | dholbach, well the think is that it's easy to forgot those | 15:30 |
| ccheney | tkamppeter: ah i see it now | 15:31 |
| seb128 | or to put them low in your todolist | 15:31 |
| cjwatson | dholbach: do we have #ubuntu-reviews already? | 15:31 |
| seb128 | when having a defined slot and some animation can motivated to be there | 15:31 |
| tkamppeter | ccheney: OOo bug tracker, I have posted the link here. | 15:31 |
| ccheney | tkamppeter: ok what about the bug, i read it | 15:32 |
| * cjwatson shuffles his scheduled weekly sponsorship a few hours earlier so that it clashes less with TB meetings | 15:32 | |
| dholbach | cjwatson: not yet :) | 15:32 |
| tkamppeter | ccheney: Seems that they want to know whether you already started writing a patch or whether they need to start from the beginning, so that they do not do work which you have already done. | 15:32 |
| dholbach | or well... I'm there now | 15:32 |
| cjwatson | dholbach: wanna? | 15:32 |
| cjwatson | I realise it duplicates #ubuntu-motu a bit at the moment | 15:33 |
| ccheney | tkamppeter: ok followed up and mentioned i have no patch | 15:33 |
| tkamppeter | ccheney: Thanks. | 15:34 |
| dholbach | cjwatson: I just brought it up with the packaging training coordinators, but I'd like to bring it up on ubuntu-devel@ for discussion too - somehow we need to get some kind of rotation going | 15:34 |
| ccheney | tkamppeter: looks like it won't make 10.04 from what he said | 15:34 |
| ccheney | tkamppeter: feature freeze for 3.2 (Ubuntu 10.04) is Sept 21 | 15:35 |
| tkamppeter | ccheney: What exactly means CWS? | 15:37 |
| tkamppeter | ccheney: Is this a bigger effort, so that it will only go into 3.3 or 4.0? | 15:40 |
| ccheney | tkamppeter: like a revision control branch for development work | 15:40 |
| ccheney | tkamppeter: i think the only person even requesting it is you so you have to find someone to actually do the work i suppose? | 15:41 |
| cody-somerville | superm1, ping | 15:41 |
| superm1 | cody-somerville, pong | 15:41 |
| ccheney | tkamppeter: its often hard to get even bugs fixed in a timely manner in OOo via upstream | 15:41 |
| tkamppeter | ccheney: I have a person who will perhaps soon work on OOo using the Common Printing Dialog, so he will probably do the PDF output in the same effort then. | 15:42 |
| tkamppeter | ccheney: Then a new bug report with attached patch could be opened, perhaps the only form of bug report were they do anything. | 15:43 |
| ScottK | tkamppeter: I recently had need to set up an HP printer on the network from Kubuntu and also from OS X. I find if we want to 'match' the OS X user experience we will have to worsten printer setup considerably. | 15:44 |
| * ScottK never did get OS X to work. | 15:44 | |
| ccheney | tkamppeter: yea probably so :-\ | 15:44 |
| tkamppeter | ScottK: So it means printer setup is much better in Ubuntu than in Mac OS X? | 15:45 |
| ScottK | tkamppeter: Yes. | 15:45 |
| tkamppeter | ScottK: And our goal is not to copy other OSes but to be better. | 15:45 |
| ScottK | Agreed. | 15:45 |
| ScottK | On Kubuntu it was just click, click, click until done. | 15:46 |
| ScottK | On OS X it was the Windows like experience of no driver, hunt it down on the HP web site, download 100+MB file, install, and then have it still not work. | 15:46 |
| tkamppeter | ScottK: Recently, one of the managers of the LF asked me why I do the high effort with OpenUsability for the Common Printing Dialog, the printer industry wants standard technologies and therefore I could simply copy a Mac or Windows dialog. | 15:47 |
| ogra | well, we could cut out the clicking :) | 15:47 |
| ScottK | tkamppeter: Heh. Well they could copy us too. | 15:48 |
| ccheney | Mac has about the same or less market share as linux, so just get open printing dialog done and have them switch instead ;-) | 15:50 |
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| GuyFromHell | Can anyone point me to the patch ubuntu is using on pidgin so you don't get ugly notify-osd notifications | 16:42 |
| GuyFromHell | it doesn't seem to be in pidgin's .diff | 16:42 |
| Laney | try patches.ubuntu.com | 16:42 |
| GuyFromHell | Laney, wow shiny, never new that existed. i'll look through it | 16:43 |
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| seb128 | slangasek, do you have any idea about when the freeze will lift? | 17:05 |
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| dholbach | bdrung, nixternal, james_w, bdmurray (and everybody else who's interest): would you guys have a few spare minutes to have an impromptu meeting to talk about Harvest UI in #harvest | 17:07 |
| GuyFromHell | damnit, i found it. it's in a patch that also makes the thing require indicator applet >_> | 17:09 |
| dholbach | to give a bit more background on the above: http://daniel.holba.ch/harvest was ported to Django already, but we want to explore how we want a future UI to look | 17:10 |
| ScottK | GuyFromHell: There's a pidgin-libnotify (or something similar) package that if you remove you'll get no notifications. | 17:11 |
| GuyFromHell | ScottK, Right, but I've compiled notify-osd and getting the ugly popups from pidgin. I've found the patch of pidgin-libnotify but the patch also makes pidgin-libnotify depend on indicator-applet, which my distro doesn't have | 17:12 |
| ScottK | GuyFromHell: Oh. Yes, well the presence of that is what stops the fallback dialogs, I think, but you would probably have more luck in #ayatana as they are upstream from this stuff | 17:13 |
| GuyFromHell | Ah, that's probably what the maint was thinking. I didn't htink about it like that. | 17:14 |
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| slangasek | seb128: probably shortly after we know whether UNR should get a respin | 18:12 |
| seb128 | slangasek, any chance that will be today? | 18:12 |
| slangasek | certainly | 18:12 |
| seb128 | cool | 18:12 |
| slangasek | beuno-afk: 412925> less AJAX seems like a reasonable solution to me ;) | 18:13 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: hi! re bug #305264, I think we need to get this straightened out because I've got gnutls updates that I need to prepare. my last comment in the bug: | 18:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 305264 in openldap "gnutls regression: failure in certificate chain validation" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/305264 | 18:30 |
| jdstrand | We need to push gnutls12 in Dapper and gnutls26 in Intrepid in -proposed to -security since these fix CVE-2009-2409. Dapper should not be a problem with openldap since openldap uses libssl0.9.8 on Dapper. For Intrepid, openldap will need to be copied as was done with Hardy. | 18:30 |
| slangasek | jdstrand: so the status of that currently is that there are packages in -proposed that haven't cleared validation? | 18:30 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: this bug is a mess... so let me try to recap | 18:31 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: as you probably recall, gnutls made some changes that broke openldap | 18:31 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: so we had to weigh the benefit of the security update with the brokeness | 18:32 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: due to upstream having quite a few problems with regressions with one of the CVEs the -security updates were trying to fix, I uploaded them to -proposed for wider testing | 18:32 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: this was ages ago | 18:32 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: mathiaz prepared openldap packages to work with the new gnutls in -proposed | 18:33 |
| jdstrand | (for hardy afaik) | 18:33 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: gnutls was pocket copied to -security on hardy | 18:34 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: I thought mathiaz' openldap2.3 went to hardy-updates too... (let me check, the bug still shows as Fix Committed) | 18:34 |
| slangasek | openldap2.3 has a newer version in hardy-updates than hardy-proposed | 18:35 |
| slangasek | er, than hardy-security | 18:35 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnutls12/+bug/305264/comments/35 indicates that we had some intrepid testing (the reporter developed the patch upstream, but the 'Thanks' wasn't exactly clear on this point) | 18:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 305264 in openldap "gnutls regression: failure in certificate chain validation" [High,Fix committed] | 18:36 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: yes, the hardy task for openldap should be closed | 18:37 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: dapper can safely go to -security IMO, because it won't break openldap, which was the only thing broken by the gnutls updates, because it still uses libssl | 18:37 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: which leaves intrepid | 18:38 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: I've updated the hardy openldap task | 18:39 |
| slangasek | ok | 18:39 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: what is your opinion on dapper gnutls12? intrepid gnutls26 and openldap? | 18:40 |
| slangasek | so we want gnutls26 and openldap copied from intrepid-proposed to intrepid-security && intrepid-updates? | 18:40 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: yes | 18:41 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: and really, openldap2.3 should be copied from hardy-updates to hardy-security, while you are at it | 18:42 |
| slangasek | ok | 18:42 |
| kees | jdstrand: is that safe? i.e. it's not built with libs from -updates ? | 18:43 |
| jdstrand | kees: gnutls26 all went through ubuntu-security-proposed | 18:43 |
| jdstrand | kees: and was pocket copied to -proposed later | 18:44 |
| slangasek | jdstrand: how quickly do you need this? I need an hour or two to finish alpha4 publishing, otherwise if this needs done sooner I can give it my full attention now | 18:44 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: if you'd like, I can take care of it all... I'm not in ubuntu-sru, so I wanted to talk to you | 18:45 |
| slangasek | jdstrand: well, -security trumps -updates anyway, so if you're satisfied that these are ready to go to -security, then yeah, go for it | 18:45 |
| jdstrand | slangasek: ok, thanks | 18:46 |
| jdstrand | kees: though your point is taken on openldap-- I'll make sure it is ok for -security | 18:47 |
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| mynameisdeleted | latest ubuntu 9.04 and 9.10 totally suck over nfs+nis | 19:53 |
| mynameisdeleted | mostely has to do with none of the sound-libraries workign I think | 19:53 |
| mynameisdeleted | oss works but alsa-lib is messed up 100% along with anythign built on it such as pulse audio or port audio or audiolib or anything | 19:54 |
| mynameisdeleted | does anyone know why this is? | 19:54 |
| mynameisdeleted | I guess thats a #alsa question | 19:54 |
| mynameisdeleted | is there a network file system for nis+shared home dirs taht is ubuntu friendly? | 19:55 |
| mynameisdeleted | and keeps alsa apps working nicely? | 19:55 |
| mynameisdeleted | maybe its no pipes or something | 19:56 |
| slangasek | mynameisdeleted: I've not heard of any such problems, and NFS is supposed to give complete POSIX semantics as a filesystem. I'd suggest opening a bug report against pulseaudio if that's what you're having problems with. | 20:00 |
| mynameisdeleted | it fails on mplayer with -ao alsa | 20:01 |
| mynameisdeleted | but not oss | 20:01 |
| mynameisdeleted | same with the systemsettings | 20:01 |
| mynameisdeleted | if I test an oss backend thats the only one that works | 20:01 |
| mynameisdeleted | I have no_root_squash and rw | 20:01 |
| mynameisdeleted | nto sure if async is useful or matters | 20:01 |
| mynameisdeleted | I wonder if the same happens over samba | 20:02 |
| mynameisdeleted | ... I know samba home dir is terrible | 20:03 |
| mynameisdeleted | maybe afs is better | 20:03 |
| mynameisdeleted | or pvfs | 20:03 |
| mynameisdeleted | aroroa is mesed up by this,... as is firefox which opens a sound library | 20:06 |
| mynameisdeleted | if it was just videogames and music players which haad yet to e switched to oss only mode I'd be happy | 20:06 |
| mynameisdeleted | konqueror works great if I set to use the oss backend for kubuntu | 20:07 |
| slangasek | mynameisdeleted: this isn't a help channel, and no, there's no reason this shouldn't work on NFS and therefore no reason to think another network filesystem would work better; as I said, you should file a bug report about your issue | 20:08 |
| slangasek | seb128: unfrozen | 20:17 |
| bryce | hrm, launchpadlibrarian.net isn't responding | 20:29 |
| seb128 | slangasek, thanks! | 20:40 |
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| kklimonda | kees: wrt django - would enabling test suite also make it possible to use point releases instead of backporting changes? | 22:06 |
| kees | kklimonda: it is certainly a prerequisite, but it would take more than just that. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates/MicroReleaseExceptions | 22:11 |
| kees | kklimonda: so things like "sufficiently high", and "supports micro-version updates to stable releases". an example of failing the latter is mysql which likes to change/add/remove features in their "micro" releases. | 22:12 |
| kklimonda | I don't have a link right now but django developers are preparing micro releases that are api stable and contain only bug fixes | 22:13 |
| kklimonda | kees: do you mind if I take a look at django to enable testsuite or would you rather reporter do it? | 22:20 |
| kees | kklimonda: micro updates> cool; that sounds very much like a candidate then. | 22:22 |
| kees | kklimonda: feel free to work on it, but add a comment to the bug report just so you guys can coordinate :) thanks! | 22:23 |
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| slangasek | bah, why is firefox now making noise at me any time I reload a page that requires re-posting data | 23:16 |
| maco | the bell, you mean? | 23:17 |
| maco | or sometihng else? | 23:17 |
| slangasek | maco: it sounds like the same sound gdm makes (made?) at a login failure | 23:23 |
| maco | oh | 23:23 |
| cjwatson | is it the noise about which I filed bug 399778? | 23:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 399778 in ubuntu-sounds "dialog-warning.ogg sounds like a spring breaking and is too alarming" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/399778 | 23:24 |
| cjwatson | (note I've been using firefox-3.5 since rather before it became the default) | 23:25 |
| TheMuso | cjwatson: Yeah I would probably have to agree with you about that. | 23:25 |
| * TheMuso just listened to it. | 23:25 | |
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