[00:03] <maco> hey folks, nburns in #ubuntu is going on about how its all a bunch of noobs and in HIS day youd just be told to RTFM
[00:03] <maco> he didnt say rtfm he said "youd be told to man whatever"
[00:03] <maco> because "that's how you learn"
[00:09] <Seeker`> trinidad_: how can we hepl you?
[00:12] <Seeker`> for the record, I just PM'd trinidad_ asking if there is anything we can help with, and no response, even though he is active in #u
[00:13] <mneptok> IIRC, (s)he was banned for the router exploit. i saw a bot unban him/her earlier.
[00:18] <mneptok> maco: the "later fellas" is a nice window into the sould of nburns
[00:19] <mneptok> hmmmm ... my sould doesn't start at runlevel 3. any know God's bugtracker address?
[00:19] <trinidad_> seeker I just pm'd you
[00:19] <mneptok> trinidad_: we discourage idling in this channel
[00:20] <trinidad_> I thought that i closed this one out
[00:20] <maco> you joined 13 minutes ago
[00:21] <trinidad_> unless when i logged back in to xchat it opened it up back again without me knowing
[00:23] <maco> mneptok: meh there are no girls on the internet right?
[00:23] <Seeker`> whats a girl?
[00:23] <maco> Seeker`: your mom
[00:23] <Seeker`> oh, wow
[00:24] <maco> hehe a legitimate use of "your mom"!
[00:25] <Seeker`> :D
[00:25] <Seeker`> Finally! there had to be one somewhere
[00:28] <mneptok> maco: no girls. only "chixx0rz" (women that idiots have not yet spoken to, and thus not yet offended) and "b!tches" (who idiots have actually encountered, and who have dismissed said idiots as troglodytes)
[00:29] <maco> haha
[00:30] <mneptok> you laugh, but i know you're crying on the inside.
[00:30] <maco> well it DOES sound about right
[00:30] <maco> given the trolls im used to in -women and #linuxchix
[00:31] <mneptok>  /m maco A/S/L? r u HAWT?!?
[00:31] <mneptok> ooooops
[00:32] <maco> that cant get proper respones
[00:32] <maco> anyone ugly will say yes to feel nice and anyone hot will so no to avoid attention
[00:32] <mneptok> actually ....
[00:32] <mneptok> 16:15 [Freenode] [msg(PriceChild)] A/S/L?
[00:32] <mneptok> 16:15 [Freenode] [PriceChild(i=pricechi@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.pricechild)] "yes please"
[00:32] <mneptok> 16:15 [Freenode] [msg(PriceChild)] "ageless/neuter/right behind you"
[00:38] <Seeker`> I hate to think of the sort of messages female geeks get
[00:38] <Seeker`> "OMG u r gurl? will u b my gf? I are am l337 haxx0r dood"
[00:41] <maco> ive never gotten the PMs that i can recall
[00:41] <maco> i just get things like replies in comments and on slash dot and even *in person* asking me to marry them
[00:41] <Seeker`> haha
[00:41] <maco> and of course #ubuntu-women gets plenty of "r there grrls heer?" "any1 want 2 cyber?"
[00:42] <maco> the guy that come to us ranting about how all women are manipulative b*tches based on his wife..that was interesting
[00:42] <Seeker`> aren't sterotypes great
[00:43] <maco> iirc he didnt want us to invade open source because we'd ruin it...
[00:44] <Seeker`> heh
[00:49] <mneptok> maco: "do you want to cyber" is best replied with this URL - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ-lJpL2oVg
[00:50]  * nalioth converts mneptok to flv
[00:51]  * Seeker` -> bed
[00:51] <Seeker`> work, journey in to london and hospital visit tomorrow
[00:51] <Seeker`> fun fun fun!
[00:52] <mneptok> PROCRASTINATE! PROCRASTINATE!
[00:53] <Seeker`> ?
[00:55] <mneptok> Seeker`: click that link above
[00:55] <mneptok> (espcially if you are a Doctor Who fan)
[00:56] <maco> i thought itd be a rickroll, but if you say doctor who...
[00:59] <Dave2> 1/win 39
[04:41] <Myrtti> ugh
[05:57] <mneptok> grrrr .... emma
[06:11] <maco> ugh nobody explained to her that the report is private until lp does apport-retrace and then the stuff apport uploaded gets removed and replaced by a clean stack trace
[06:16] <maco> SquareHimself in #ubuntu
[06:17] <jussi01> Good morning Myrtti! and Happy birthday! :D
[06:18] <Myrtti> mmmrrggghh
[06:18] <maco> Myrtti: is your bday? is seele's too
[06:18] <jussi01> Myrtti: Im sorry, I had to advertise :D
[06:18] <Myrtti> yeah, last year of youth starts today
[06:18] <jussi01> but really, do have a happy birthday
[06:19] <maco> you're 17?
[06:19] <jussi01> hahah
[06:20] <Myrtti> oh great, I'm lagging bad in the
[06:20] <Myrtti> train
[06:20] <Myrtti> is someone looking over #u
[06:21] <maco> valkyrie claims to own th bot
[06:21] <maco> cut off the head?
[06:21] <jussi01> i did...
[06:22] <maco> yay
[06:23] <jussi01> Voltaire: how can we help today?
[06:24] <jussi01> Anyways, Im of to work. laters all.
[06:25] <Voltaire> opps sorry about that
[06:25] <Voltaire> I'm actually alright, I click a link and didn't notice
[06:26] <Voltaire> anywho night/morning/afternoon/evening
[06:45] <maco> hehe
[06:45] <maco> <-- man
[07:10] <Myrtti> -->
[07:13] <maco> hmm?
[07:13] <bazhang> ?
[07:13] <bazhang> maco, you need any help?
[07:14] <maco> nah
[07:14] <bazhang> okay
[07:14] <maco> jussi01 says im allowed in here though
[07:14] <maco> because im an op in 2 channels
[07:16] <bazhang> nice :)
[07:16] <bazhang> weird that you are not voiced though
[07:16] <maco> voiced?
[07:17] <maco> this channel uses voice?
[07:17] <bazhang> yep
[07:17] <maco> oh hey it does
[07:17] <maco> i thought in voiced channels, not-voiced people couldnt talk and be seen by voiced people though
[07:17] <bazhang> that's +m channels
[07:17] <jussi01> maco: only when +m is set
[07:17] <maco> ah
[07:17] <maco> i suppose m=mute?
[07:18] <jussi01> !modes
[07:18] <bazhang> only +v can talk in that case
[07:18] <bazhang> or +o
[07:28] <jussi01> :)
[07:28] <maco> yay! im in the top list in quassel now :)
[07:29] <jussi01> hehe
[07:33] <Mez> :-"
[07:34]  * Mez has had his fun
[07:34] <jussi01> Mez: not funny.
[07:34] <Mez> jussi01: it was.. slightly.
[07:35] <bazhang> nubuntu?
[07:35] <maco> huh?
[07:36] <bazhang> that's what I said
[07:36]  * Mez yawns and disappears to had to work
[07:58] <tsimpson> "The main goal of nUbuntu is to create a distribution which is derived from the Ubuntu distribution, and add packages related to security testing and remove unneeded packages." - kinda specialist
[07:58] <bazhang> sound like all the backtrack 4 users asking for help in #ubunt
[07:58] <bazhang> +u
[07:59] <maco> wait so theres nubuntu AND bt4?
[08:00] <bazhang> many more besides !derivatives
[08:01] <bazhang> he was trolling elsewhere as well
[08:01] <bazhang> * [Immo_Phaggit] (n=Bilok@pool-71-116-96-171.snfcca.dsl-w.verizon.net): TheAbester
[08:01] <maco> ok but those two serve same purpose
[09:56] <Myrtti> urgggh
[09:59] <tomaw> why urgggh?
[09:59] <Myrtti> spent 90 minutes in a useless meeting I had to travel two hours in and have to travel 2 hours back, in a tummy ache, on my birthday. I've had better days.
[09:59] <Myrtti> maco: 29
[10:00] <tomaw> well, happy birthday at least :)
[10:01] <tomaw> is 29 an indication of the number of candles?
[10:01] <Myrtti> sadly
[10:03]  * ikonia nods a bithday nod to Myrtti 
[10:03] <Gary> Myrtti: happy birfday
[10:03]  * Gary gives Myrtti a birthday hug!
[10:03] <Myrtti> wheeeeee
[10:03] <Myrtti> I was bribed to come to the meeting with two boxes of candy
[10:03]  * tomaw feels young among the old folk
[10:04] <Gary> tomaw: you ain't no spring chicken either
[10:04]  * Gary hides
[10:05]  * ikonia throws another model to Gary 
[10:05] <ikonia> apprantly that keeps him quiet/busy
[10:06] <Gary> woot
[10:14] <Myrtti> ok, -offtopic has the troll central again
[10:15] <tomaw> Gary: pfft :p
[10:15] <tomaw> Gary: you still would and you know it
[10:15] <Gary> tomaw: only if you got me drunk first
[10:15]  * tomaw sobs
[10:16] <Myrtti> is someone looking at -offtopic besides me?
[10:16] <Myrtti> I'm in a train and get laggy occasionally
[10:16] <Myrtti> Gary: thanks
[10:21] <Gary> I'm trying to guide them into behaving
[10:28]  * jussi01 sighs at immo_phagg
[10:29] <Gary> me too
[10:29] <Gary> I seem to fail at catalysing
[10:37] <jussi01> Gary: you just fail :P
[11:16] <elky> Myrtti, HAPPY BIRTHDAAAAAAAAAAY!
[12:06] <bazhang> happy b-day Myrtti
[12:08] <Mamarok> Myrtti: Happy Birthday! *Hugs* and *Kisses* :)
[12:23] <topyli> oh! happy birthday Myrtti pien
[12:29] <bazhang> heh
[12:31] <bazhang> so focused on one troll another slipped by
[13:54] <Seeker`> irssi on iphone \o/
[13:55] <Seeker`> can only see 3 lines of text though
[13:55] <Pici> Thats
[13:55] <Pici> too
[13:55] <Pici> bad
[13:56]  * nalioth switches Seeker`'s font size to .005mm so he can see more lines of irssi
[13:57] <Seeker`> the problem is that my chabbel list is toi long
[13:57] <Pici> I also see a typing issue
[13:57] <bazhang> haha
[13:58] <Seeker`> that is because i am on q bad connection and trying to work at the same time
[13:58] <jussi01> Seeker`: grab colloquy, much better and easier...
[13:59] <Seeker`> ok
[14:15] <seeker^> Hihi
[14:15] <bazhang> wb seeker^
[14:16] <seeker^> Ty
[14:17] <jussi01> seeker^: any chance you can log onto and listen to t61 for a bit?
[14:17] <seeker^> Not sure if it is possible on an iPhone
[14:17] <ikonia> t61?
[14:18] <seeker^> Ssh, it's secret
[14:18] <bazhang> hehe
[14:18] <seeker^> Have given up on being at work for the day
[14:20] <seeker^> I'll bbl
[15:17] <ikonia> hello charlie__ how can we help
[15:19] <charlie__> what do you think would be better. i am having a laptop with windows 7 but i dont know if i should get ubuntu instead
[15:19] <ikonia> charlie__: I let me stop you there for a second
[15:20] <ikonia> charlie__: you've been banned from #ubuntu support channel, and forwarded to the #ubuntu-ops channel which is here to help you resolve the issues that got you banned
[15:20] <charlie__> ohhhhhhhhhhh
[15:20] <charlie__> can i beome unbanned then
[15:20] <ikonia> charlie__: looking at the logs it would appear you where persistantly offtopic in #ubuntu, which is for ubuntu support discussion only (so not the question you just asked) and you persistantly messed around with the bot after being told multiple times to stop
[15:20] <charlie__> become
[15:21] <ikonia> if you could explain your behaviour and why you continued to be a problem in #ubuntu before you where banned, I'm sure we can move it forward
[15:21] <ikonia> mneptok: ping ping
[15:22] <charlie__> i am new to ubuntu and irc so when i was testring the bot i didnt know people where sending me privite messages
[15:22] <ikonia> charlie__: yes, but you where asked and then told to stop doing it, yet you kept going, why ?
[15:23] <charlie__> they told me thro privitre messages which i didnt know]
[15:23] <ikonia> that's not the question I asked
[15:23] <ikonia> charlie__: you where asked, and then told to stop playing with the bot, yet you continued, why ?
[15:23] <charlie__> i didnt know they where asking me to stop
[15:24] <ikonia> charlie__: you did as you said "why" and "Do I have to"
[15:24] <ikonia> so you responded to them asking you to stop
[15:24] <charlie__> when i found out that they were asking me
[15:24] <charlie__> thats when i stoped
[15:24] <ikonia> yes, so you knew and kept going
[15:25] <charlie__> i stopped when i found out but by then i was banned
[15:25] <ikonia> ok - I suggest I leave this to the operator who banned you which is mneptok as he knows the situation better than I as I can only go by the logs
[15:25] <ikonia> charlie__: that's wrong, you where banned after you responded with "do I have to" when told to stop
[15:25] <ikonia> so you knew - long before you where banned
[15:26] <charlie__> stop being crazy
[15:26] <ikonia> I'm not being crazy, I'm explaining the facts to you and asking you to explain your behaviour in an honest fashion
[15:27] <charlie__> thats what i consider crazy
[15:27] <ikonia> ok then if you class explaining your behaviour in an honest fashion crazy I'm afraid we can't progress this any further
[15:32] <ikonia> charlie__: if there is nothing else we can do for you at this time we ask that you not idle in the channel and come back at a time when mneptok is available and you can discuss your ban please.
[15:35] <bazhang> !idle | charlie__
[15:37] <nalioth> can we start doing !tell $nick about idle?
[15:40] <ikonia> any reason you don't want to see it on screen, I only use | incase the guy doesn't know how to use pm/irc well
[15:43] <nalioth> 1) you're repeating yourself in this case
 moi utilize spoonwap 2 cracker un voisin --> i use spoonwap to crack neighbour
[16:18] <ikonia> he's gone
[16:18] <bazhang> ah he quit
[16:19] <bazhang> jinx
[16:31] <bazhang> on nubuntu no less
[16:56] <gnomefreak> why not !idle > $nick
[17:01] <nalioth> gnomefreak: the point is that those mechanisms exist to keep the spam levels down
[17:01] <nalioth> it does't make a flip which one is used
[17:01] <gnomefreak> nalioth: oh ok i wasnt sure if "about" used PM or not
[17:04] <nalioth> ubottu: tell gnomefreak about guidelines
[17:05] <gnomefreak> thanks it works :)
[17:21] <Pici> gnomefreak: re: mailing list, o4o was modified within the past few months to make it more tolerant for some issues.
[17:22] <Pici> Basically its now "you can talk about these things, but if someone asks you to stop, you should"
[17:24] <gnomefreak> Pici: ah makes sense sort of. why would be want topics that can/will cause heated debates?
[17:25] <gnomefreak> people didnt have so many complaints on it before change IIRC unles in past few months
[17:29] <maco> well it says you cant discuss gender for example...
[17:29] <maco> so would that mean everyone has to go to #ubuntu-women when they want to discuss one of mdz's posts on sexism?
[17:30] <maco> makes sense to me that as long as things are civil that could be ok in -ot
[17:30] <gnomefreak> define discuss gender. i hope you mean like somewhat bad/bad/very bad comments torwards gender
[17:30] <gnomefreak> sexism is against CoC as i recall
[17:30] <maco> no i mean o4o said you cant discuss gender, period
[17:31] <jussi01> maco: where does it say that?
[17:31] <maco> i think it did
[17:31] <maco> !o4o
[17:31] <gnomefreak> to say "i didnt know women were invloved with Ubuntu" or something along those lines should be ok. but the problems some of the women had with comments from some guys was out of line and against all kinds of rules/CoC
[17:31] <jussi01> maco: its been altered recently
[17:31] <jussi01> This is not a blanket ban on any and all mention of these topics, however common sense is compulsory. Please be respectful and take the discussion elsewhere if someone takes exception. Please always adhere to Freenode Policy when you join any channels.)
[17:32] <maco> right im saying *before* the edit
[17:32] <gnomefreak> jussi01: some people miss the whole common sense idea
[17:32] <jussi01> ahh, yeah.
[17:32] <maco> so the edit makes sense because now you can talk about it in there when mdz or elky goes all feminist on their blogs
[17:32] <gnomefreak> mdz == male no?
[17:32] <maco> yes
[17:33] <maco> he's quite the feminist though
[17:34] <maco> it also means im not breaking the rules when i say "she!" after being called "he" ;)
[17:34] <gnomefreak> nothing wrong with that. and we dont cover blogs on IRC that is really up to them depending on blog. CoC may stop it on planet but that has mind of been well not sure its been so long since i read a very nasty post
[17:34] <maco> *headdesk*
[17:34] <maco> im tlaking about people in #ubuntu-offtopic discussing whats going on on planet ubuntu
[17:35] <maco> before edit it technically wouldve been not allowed because youre discussing gender
[17:35] <gnomefreak> maco: correcting using something like that is not wrong at all however gender shouldnt matter in Ubuntu other than he/she/miss/mrs/ms/mr
[17:35] <maco> with edit, as long as youre not saying "yeah well all the girls should just go away because theyre ruining ubuntu" or some such, its ok to talk about it
[17:35] <maco> you see?
[17:36] <gnomefreak> "shes hot" or shes is a *" can get you banned very very fast
[17:36] <maco> aye
[17:36]  * gnomefreak thinks my text is hot but it looks like everyone elses :)
[17:37] <maco> and i dont think #ubuntu-women wants everybody from #ubuntu-offtopic joining to talk about women-in-open-source because well... iirc, -ot is a rather roudy bunch
[17:37] <gnomefreak> Pici: jussi01 giving them that much freedom can get out of hand. at least thats why we enforced the rule to begin with
[17:38] <gnomefreak> we have had a handful of problems in -women but not that many but they will not hesitate in the least the kick/ban/mute someone
[17:40] <gnomefreak> maybe not set it back to the way it was but maybe word it differently in the sense that it is ok/not ok to do it certain ways (cant think today so dont mind me if i confuse you
[17:41]  * gnomefreak getting to meeting, have fun
[18:00]  * genii sips and contemplates compulsory common sense
[18:10] <jussi01> !cue
[20:51] <niko> jussi01: u-ops-monitor is where bot forward quieted user message ?
[20:51] <jussi01> no...
[20:52] <jussi01> its where the floodbots reside, and do all their status messages etc
[20:52] <niko> ah, on #ubuntu-fr, bot forward quieted user to #ubuntu-fr-ops-log
[20:53] <niko> and when some keywords found in messages
[21:10] <ikonia> could someone please explain why !o4o automatically directs people to the !appeals process ?
[21:13] <mneptok> because whining about stuff is the Internet's national pasttime?
[21:19] <ikonia> I just don't see why it has to go through the appeals process
[21:19] <ikonia> so much is going through the appeals process to quick and easy for my view
[22:20] <Flannel> "disputes" covers a lot of ground at that.
[22:22] <Flannel> (When I just read it, it reads as "disputes between people")
[22:25] <ikonia> Flannel: hence why I don't think people should be directed to the appeals process straight away
[22:25] <Flannel> I agree.
[23:31] <Pici> Er... whats wrong with the appeals process?:
[23:41] <Seeker`> I dont think they are saying anything is wrong with the appeals process
[23:42] <Seeker`> its the fact that people are directed to it in o4o
[23:43] <Seeker`> aiui, the appeals process is for when some action has been taken against someone
[23:43] <Seeker`> not someone calling a factoid
[23:51] <Pici> I don't see whats wrong with saying that disuputes go to appeals...
[23:52] <nalioth> Pici: there's nothing wrong with it, but the issue is that some don't think it needs to be attached to the o4o factoid
[23:54] <Seeker`> Pici: by the same reasoning, we should have it in every factoid