[01:51] <fernandox64> No questions...
[03:25] <lsemple_> http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&sa=1&q=obama+joker&btnG=Search+images&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&start=0
[03:25] <lsemple_> weird
[04:26] <MTec007> im trying to find a package that contains most of the following, apache php mysql
[04:28] <th0r> MTec007: check into a LAMP server
[04:28] <MTec007> ok
[04:28] <MTec007> i could get the packages individually but i just need a dev server so i can (try) to help with drupal 7 dev
[04:29] <MTec007> nothing fancy needed lol
[04:29] <MTec007> but, ty, th0r
[04:29] <MTec007> lamp isnt in the apt rep?
[04:29] <th0r> MTec007: I believe there is a LAMP package,or live cd. LAMP stands for linux, apache, mysql, php (or perl)
[04:30] <MTec007> ok
[04:30] <th0r> !lamp
[04:30] <th0r> there you go
[04:30] <MTec007> thank you
[04:36] <xubuntuNoob1> Hello all.
[05:49] <ball> Right, that's it.  I'm getting the Xubuntu box out.
[06:01]  * ball bravely attempts a Jaunty upgrade
[06:18] <ball> hello tdn
[06:47] <ochosi> anyone here who runs karmic?
[06:49] <ball> hello ochosi
[06:49] <ball> brb
[06:49] <ochosi> hey there, ball
[06:49] <ochosi> well, i have an issue with grub2
[06:49] <ochosi> i simply wanted to change the default os from my karmic installation to jaunty
[06:50] <ochosi> afaik i need to edit /etc/default/grub for that
[06:50] <ochosi> but it doesn't make any difference
[09:49] <yesitisjustme> i got a usb to ide adapter but dvdrom only gets detected when a OS is present. Is it possible for usb to ide dvdrom to be detected without a OS like a regular dvdrom?
[09:51] <ablomen> yesitisjustme, you want to boot from it? if so you have to check your bios settings, change the boot order so "removable devices [or if its a newer pc, it might detect the cdrom drive itself]" is first
[09:54] <yesitisjustme> ya i want to boot from iit
[09:54] <yesitisjustme> it
[09:54] <yesitisjustme> it has 4 boot options i see
[09:55] <yesitisjustme> harddrive, cd/dvd-rom, floppy drive, network boot
[09:56] <yesitisjustme> don't see removable devices
[09:56] <ablomen> hmm, i think your pc doesnt support usb booting (but you can try settings cd/dvd-rom as first boot priority)
[09:57] <ablomen> i guess you would have to make a boot floppy then, that loads drivers to recognise the cd, otherwise just connect the drive to an actual ide port
[10:02] <yesitisjustme> cd/dvd rom setting didn't work
[10:02] <yesitisjustme> so like a 98se bootdisk
[10:03] <yesitisjustme> k
[10:04] <ablomen> ehm
[10:04] <ablomen> well depends on what you want to boot
[10:05] <ablomen> if you want to boot a windows cd, sure, but i guess your in the wrong channel then ;) otherwise i guess you'd need a linux boot disk
[10:08] <yesitisjustme> k
[13:54] <micr0x> Does xubuntu fix the intel sound chips problem?
[13:55] <Darth_Tux> micr0x, what problem, i have intel
[13:56] <micr0x> I haven't actually tried xubuntu before, but tried ubuntu, kubuntu and several other linux distroes, and I can't get my intel audio chip working.
[13:57] <Darth_Tux> micr0x, i would think if it didnt work in ubuntu it would not work in Xubuntu either
[13:57] <Darth_Tux> have you googled to see what the problem might be?
[13:59] <micr0x> yep, I dd alot of googling, didn't have much luck
[14:00] <Darth_Tux> that happens
[14:00] <Darth_Tux> what chipset is it?
[14:00] <micr0x> I'm downloading it now, i'll see how far it can go..
[14:00] <micr0x> It's an HP dv6 1105ee labtop
[14:01] <micr0x> I wouldn't advice anybody to get that series. I had enough trouble from it already with both linux and windows.
[14:01] <Darth_Tux> i have a dv6000
[14:03] <micr0x> ohh
[14:03] <micr0x> with an ATI?
[14:03] <Darth_Tux> ATI?
[14:04] <Darth_Tux> sorry, it is early here
[14:04] <micr0x> video card
[14:04] <Darth_Tux> early for me anyhow
[14:04] <Darth_Tux> i dont believe so
[14:04] <micr0x> np :)
[14:04] <micr0x> I see
[14:05] <Darth_Tux> i am also not running xubuntu atm, shhhh dont tell
[14:07] <micr0x> lol
[14:11] <Darth_Tux> I am using Debian, seems to work ok
[14:45] <zhxk`> hello, how to specify ip gate dns respectivly and keep settings permanently?
[15:32] <SilentWarrior> how do i update the clock ? the hour isnt correct
[15:35] <micr0x> Tried clicking on it SilentWarrior
[15:35] <SilentWarrior> yup, nothing happens
[15:36] <SilentWarrior> on right click i have several options...to change display etc, but not to actually change the time
[15:36] <SilentWarrior> its funny tho xd
[15:36] <micr0x> check your settings then
[15:37] <th0r> SilentWarrior: Settings - Time and Date
[15:37] <SilentWarrior> th0r, its updated, its 15 GMT, but the little clock at top didnt change
[15:39] <th0r> SilentWarrior: you mean the clock applet in the panel?
[15:39] <SilentWarrior> yeah
[15:39] <SilentWarrior> maybe it will update when i start session again
[15:39] <SilentWarrior> like restart session?
[15:40] <th0r> I would expect it to change within 60 seconds when the time is updated. You using the analog clock or the date/time applet?
[15:40] <SilentWarrior> just says Clock, its the standard one, that ships with xubuntu
[15:41] <SilentWarrior> anyways, i came here to ask something else, and in the meantime i forgot xD so here it is:
[15:41] <th0r> SilentWarrior: yeah....the analog clock. Make sure the timezone is set properly in Time and Date
[15:42] <SilentWarrior> i have a bunch of files that were shared using dropbox, and now i cant access them because they arent owned by me, can only access with sudo, is there a way to make them accessible to everyone so that i dont have to change permitions each time i wanna use them?
[15:42] <ball> chmod
[15:42] <ball> ...though that's to be used with care
[15:43] <ball> hello web_knows
[15:44] <SilentWarrior> ball, too late xD
[15:44] <ball> SilentWarrior: :-)
[15:44] <SilentWarrior> ball, i did a chmod 777 mydir/ -R
[15:44] <SilentWarrior> is that bad ? xD
[15:44] <ball> Yes
[15:44] <SilentWarrior> it is !
[15:44] <SilentWarrior> damn
[15:45] <SilentWarrior> files are mostly .rb (ruby) so, dont think its much of a problem
[15:45] <micr0x> SilentWarrior: 700 is always good unless you have a reason to share them.
[15:46] <ball> If you want people to be able to run them without the need for people to edit them, try chmod 755 cabbage.rub
[15:46] <ball> micr0x: agreed
[15:47] <SilentWarrior> 777 means executable to everyone right? cant remember
[15:47] <ball> (for executables)
[15:47] <ball> 777 means that anyone can execute, edit or erase them
[15:47] <cody-somerville> 777 is read write executable for everyone
[15:47] <ball> Is that really what you want?
[15:48] <SilentWarrior> ball, yeh, i mean, i am a single user for this machines
[15:48] <SilentWarrior> these*
[15:48] <cody-somerville> Doesn't matter
[15:48] <ball> SilentWarrior: 755 is still safer
[15:48] <SilentWarrior> and its a dev environment, not production
[15:48] <ball> 777 invites disaster
[15:48] <cody-somerville> Not to mention 777 will make everything bright green in the terminal
[15:48] <SilentWarrior> 755 is for what exactly?
[15:49] <ball> SilentWarrior: it means the owner can edit them, but everyone can read and execute them
[15:49] <ball> (do you know octal?)
[15:50] <SilentWarrior> nop xD i only know that 777 is to make them accessible ... i am a windows nub
[15:50] <SilentWarrior> i learn it at school, but cant rly remember, its for user-group-root
[15:50] <SilentWarrior> right?
[15:50] <ball> In decimal we can count up to 9 before we have to carry to the tens column.  In octal we can count up to 7, but then we have to carry.  0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12 and so on.
[15:51] <ball> The reason it comes into play here is that permissions are done in groups of three bit
[15:51] <ball> s
[15:52] <ball> You'll sometimes see rwx written down, where r=1 means you can read the file, w=1 means you can write to it and x=1 means you can execute it
[15:52] <SilentWarrior> in 745 it means full rights to user... 4 rights to group and 5 rights to admin?
[15:52] <ball> (in the case of a directory, x=1 means you can get inside)
[15:52] <ball> SilentWarrior: no
[15:52] <ball> So for each file, there are three sets of those three bits
[15:52] <ball> rwxrwxrwx
[15:53] <SilentWarrior> yup
[15:53] <ball> the first three apply to the file's owner
[15:53] <ball> ...so a 7 there means 111 in binary, which means you can do all three files.
[15:53] <ball> the next three apply to people in the file's group
[15:54] <ball> ...so a 5 in there means that if you belong to the file's group, you can read it and execute it but not write to it
[15:54] <ball> (5 is 101 in binary)
[15:54] <ball> the third set of bits applies to everyone else
[15:55] <ball> So you might see a file that's 750, meaning the owner can do anything to it, people in the right group can read and execute it, everyone else can't read, write to or execute it.
[15:55] <SilentWarrior> oh, i am starting to remember, the math for it, i had that at school, but just really quick, like 5 minutes or so, in several years of school
[15:55] <ball> So for document files that are just for you, mode 600 is appropriate
[15:55] <ball> that means you can read and write them, but nobody else can
[15:56] <SilentWarrior> in windows we pretty much dont have that, so ... i end up forgetting
[15:56] <ball> You can't execute them but they're document files, so that doesn't matter.
[15:56] <ball> 6 is 110 in binary
[15:56] <ball> If you've got a document that you want to edit, but you want others to be able to read, 644 is appropriate.
[15:57] <ball> 6 = 110 = read & write, but not execute
[15:57] <ball> 4 = 100 = read, but not execute
[15:57] <ball> ...or write
[15:57] <ball> Does that make sense?
[15:58] <SilentWarrior> yup
[15:58] <ball> I've used a 622 file before, though that's unusual
[15:59] <ball> 6 = 110 = I can read, write and execute
[15:59] <ball> 2 = 010 = Other's can't read, but they can write to it. Can't execute
[15:59] <SilentWarrior> like append to it?
[15:59] <ball> I used it with a Web form, that wrote to the file, but people couldn't pull data out of the database.
[15:59] <SilentWarrior> append is read+write isnt it?
[15:59] <ball> Yes, exactly
[16:00] <ball> SilentWarrior: append shouldn't depend on the ability to read a file, but perhaps that depends on the software tools you're using.
[16:00] <ball> The OS certainly doesn't object to appending to a write-only file
[16:02] <SilentWarrior> ball, yeah, because then it wouldnt make much sence
[16:03]  * ball nods
[16:04] <ball> hello evilbug
[16:07] <SilentWarrior> ball, i like how stuff works on linux ... i wish i wasnt tied to windows for most stuff
[16:07] <ball> SilentWarrior: give it time.
[16:07] <ball> The file permissions stem from the fact that unix and Linux are multiuser operating systems
[16:08] <ball> ...so it's helpful to keep people out of each others files, while providing them a way to share files where appropriate.
[16:12] <SilentWarrior> yeh, but its not only that... i like how i can use the same system on my 10yr old laptop, and on my cutting edge desktop while keeping all functionality i need, by simply changing the front end manager
[16:13] <SilentWarrior> like xubuntu... to gnome buntu to kde buntu xD
[16:14] <ball> There's probably nothing stopping you from running Xubuntu on modern, fast PCs
[16:14] <SilentWarrior> or even... the console, in windows i dont have a "real" console
[16:14] <SilentWarrior> i am actually running xubuntu on my desktop right now as i speak to u
[16:14] <SilentWarrior> because i found a very nice theme, darkish that is good on my eyes
[16:15] <SilentWarrior> ball, apt-get is a god send, even on the "next" + "next" +"next" windows world
[16:17] <ball> I have to go
[16:55] <MTec007> i need to modify the freedos ISO, i need to add a dos exe, so i can run a BIOS flash program at boot time. what folder would i need to put the exe file in in order for me to be able to access it?
[16:55] <MTec007> i already wasted one cd by putting it in the root of the cd
[17:14] <MTec007> any one have any ideas
[17:15] <micr0x> MTec007: /topic!!
[17:16] <MTec007> ?
[17:17] <micr0x> What OS are you using?
[17:18] <MTec007> im using xubuntu
[17:18] <micr0x> So why do you wanna flash the bios?
[17:18] <MTec007> because i need a new one. why does my reasoning matter?
[17:20] <MTec007> if you cant/wont help thats fine.
[17:21] <micr0x> I don't understand what you're trying to do here. What does freedos has to do with your bois?
[17:21] <micr0x> bios*
[17:23] <micr0x> You can reset the bios easily though.
[17:25] <MTec007> i need dos at boot time, in order to run a program to flash my bios with a new version ofmy bios.
[17:25] <MTec007> but i need to put the program on the freedos cd so i can access the program with freedos at boot time
[17:26] <MTec007> resetting my bios will not upgrade it
[17:31] <micr0x> Ok, there are several guides for that. Try googling. Also you can use miniPE liveCD and access your flushing.exe app from rlinux that comes on the cd.
[17:47] <Araneidae> Anybody here understand how xfce stores its state?  I am unable to stop it restoring some randomly chosen desktop configuration when I log on!
[18:28] <Demon|King> hello is anyone alive that can help me out plz?
[18:30] <Ragamufin> i am alive, help? we'll see
[18:33] <Demon|King> o kool
[18:33] <Demon|King> u still there?
[18:34] <Ragamufin> uhhuh
[18:35] <Demon|King> ok i am tring to put the xubuntu on my old imac g3 and i get the black screen which i fixed with the ctrl+alt+f1 but i could only do that with the live desktop cd
[18:36] <Demon|King> how can i do that with the install cd?
[18:36] <Demon|King> btw is there a way i can config the xorh.conf before i burn to a cd?
[18:36] <Demon|King> xorg.conf*
[18:37] <Ragamufin> is there a mac version of xubuntu?
[18:37] <Demon|King> ya the powerpc version
[18:38] <Ragamufin> i am in no way an expert on ppp
[18:38] <Ragamufin> ppc i meant
[18:38] <Demon|King> o
[18:38] <Demon|King> do u know isf there is away to edit a file before i burn to a cd?
[18:39] <Ragamufin> i don not, i am not much help, huh
[18:40] <Demon|King> its ok
[18:40] <Demon|King> i got it to work with the live cd so i know it works and that makes me feel alittle beter lol
[18:40] <Demon|King> better*
[18:41] <Ragamufin> is there an install from the live cd?
[18:42] <Demon|King> i didnt see it
[18:42] <Demon|King> it just loaded
[18:42] <Demon|King> there should be i think
[18:42] <Ragamufin> hopefully
[18:43] <Demon|King> lol i see it
[18:43] <Demon|King> its right in front of my face lmao
[18:46] <Ragamufin> cool, i am great at this
[18:55] <ball> Is there some way to make Xubuntu remember my choice of screen mode?  I have to reset it every time I boot.
[19:14] <rgnr> any1 has fmodex64 4.24.16
[19:15] <rgnr> ?
[19:45] <cmwalker> ok, lets see. i have 2 xubuntus, one with internet, and one without. the one without needs a system update badly. how can i update it without connecting to the internet?
[19:50] <ball> The one that doesn't have Internet, is it connected to a local area network at all?
[19:52] <cmwalker> nope, legally it cannot connect to the internet while ubuntu is installed.
[19:53] <ball> The Internet is not a LAN
[19:54] <cmwalker> ball: but its not connected to a LAN either
[19:55] <ball> I hear that it's possible to set up a local repository, with local copies of packages and perhaps updates.
[19:55] <ball> If you have a separate machine that you can connect to the Internet, synch its repository, then disconnect from the Internet and connect to your island box, then perhaps you could update from the local repository.
[19:58] <cmwalker_> ball: i did not understand a word you just said
[19:58] <ball> cmwalker_: Never mind then.
[19:59] <cmwalker_> ball: so can you help?
[19:59] <ball> No.
[19:59] <cmwalker_> great.
[20:33] <slow-motion> hi
[20:40] <crazygir> i have an application that goes fullscreen and covers the taskbar, but grabs the keyboard's focus so switching desktops isn't possible.. any suggestions/workarounds?
[20:42] <forces> ctrl + alt + -->
[20:42] <forces> switch desktop
[20:42] <forces> or alt + click, to move the window
[20:46] <crazygir> forces: xfce doesn't have focus on the keyboard
[20:46] <crazygir> the app is rdp
[20:47] <crazygir> forces: and this isn't a window.. it's fullscreened
[20:47] <forces> virtualbox?
[20:58] <pteague> is there a way to get the non-xfce apps to have the same font size as xfce?  i.e. fonts in kde apps & openoffice are almost twice the size as fonts in xfce terminal, xfce panels, orage, xchat, & firefox & yet they both have a "font size" of 9
[21:00] <ball> Is Xubuntu Jaunty known to have problems with USB mass storage / iPods?
[21:16] <pteague_work> heh, friend of mine sent me a link to http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32393717/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/ - You must obey: Unwritten laws of technology - & people wonder why i use linux...
[21:46] <yelloowfire> Damn, my Xubuntu don't want to use monitor sesolution 1024x768, someone know how to solve this little thing?
[21:47] <forces> doesn't*, resolution*
[21:47] <yelloowfire> Ops
[21:48] <forces> which video card do you have?
[22:44] <benchik> hello
[22:44] <benchik> are there screenlets that work under xfce?
[22:56] <Pupuser402> hello all... just looking for some support. Is this the right place?
[23:01] <forces> xubuntu support
[23:14] <slow-motion> n8
[23:15] <Pupuser402> mmm... anyone could help?
[23:15] <Pupuser402> heeelp!
[23:15] <Pupuser402> :)