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| lamalex | kenvandine: is empathy in karmic going to have adium support? or geoclue? or libchamplain? | 05:36 |
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| lamalex | adium theme that is | 05:37 |
| mac_v | mrooney|w: hi... synaptic is either way going to be replaced in Karmic+1 , IMO , there is no need for a papercut | 09:53 |
| mac_v | we caould just let the task in synaptic remain and be fixed in synaptic | 09:53 |
| mac_v | could* | 09:54 |
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| * MacSlow -> lunch | 13:40 | |
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| mac_v | djsiegel: i think you misread my comment yesterday | 14:27 |
| djsiegel | mac_v: which one? | 14:27 |
| djsiegel | I bet I did :) | 14:27 |
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| mac_v | djsiegel: my reply was not about share / instal but rather a reply to "shouldn't the response be from the perspective of the respondent?" | 14:29 |
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| djsiegel | yes | 14:29 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: just dont be too hasty in saying someone is bikeshedding :/ | 14:30 |
| djsiegel | mac_v, the bug is fixing the unknown antecedent of "them" | 14:31 |
| djsiegel | and your comment was that "share the disk" and "use the entire disk" are not phrased from the same perspective? | 14:31 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: yeah that was fine but adding the "I" , was not | 14:31 |
| djsiegel | ok, I see | 14:32 |
| djsiegel | What do you propose instead? | 14:32 |
| djsiegel | Does it make a difference to users? | 14:32 |
| djsiegel | Is it harder to use, or less beautiful right now? | 14:33 |
| djsiegel | If it communicates the choice (users can understand it without difficulty), it is bikeshedding unless there's an alternative that you can provide that is unambiguously better | 14:33 |
| djsiegel | so do it! :) | 14:33 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: installers , do not use "I" , but since it is an installer , it will be in almost all the guides , and will be quickly pointed out | 14:33 |
| djsiegel | Installers do not use "I"? | 14:34 |
| djsiegel | Installer starts with "I"! | 14:34 |
| djsiegel | maybe Ubuntu's installer should be all about "I" | 14:34 |
| mac_v | thats what i said , if you want all as response , "I" then the 3 need to be changed | 14:35 |
| djsiegel | So, you think the options should not be from the perspective of the user? | 14:35 |
| mac_v | I havent seen an installer , which has options like that | 14:35 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: i think rather than , patching it up , Evan canfix it properly | 14:36 |
| djsiegel | mac_v, that's fine, but what is your proposal | 14:36 |
| djsiegel | "show me the code" | 14:36 |
| mac_v | ah... just a sec | 14:36 |
| djsiegel | stop arguing these fine details, and just give the improved suggestion | 14:36 |
| djsiegel | I understand your hesitancy to use "I", but it's possible that using "I" makes the software friendly, easy to use and understand | 14:37 |
| djsiegel | there is no inviolable law of nature set against the use of "I" in software installers | 14:37 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: Share the disk with existing installations [ allows choosing between them when You start the computer] | 14:37 |
| djsiegel | ok, so, you've added a parenthetical voice | 14:38 |
| djsiegel | I argue that it's now harder to read | 14:38 |
| mac_v | ok i give up | 14:38 |
| djsiegel | "share" is imperative | 14:38 |
| djsiegel | the user is telling the installer to share | 14:38 |
| djsiegel | then it shifts in voice back to the installer | 14:38 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: the words within brackets are explanations , similar to the [advanced] | 14:39 |
| djsiegel | but I do think it's more grammatically correct than my suggestion | 14:39 |
| mac_v | 3rd option | 14:39 |
| djsiegel | Share the disk with existing installations, choosing between them when I start the computer | 14:39 |
| djsiegel | "choosing" seems the wrong tense | 14:39 |
| djsiegel | Share the disk with existing installations; allow me to choose between them when I start the computer | 14:40 |
| djsiegel | two commands | 14:40 |
| djsiegel | but the semi-colon is recondite | 14:41 |
| kholerabbi | Share the disk with existing installations and allow me to choose between them when I start the computer | 14:41 |
| djsiegel | hmm | 14:41 |
| djsiegel | yes that's good | 14:41 |
| djsiegel | we're getting longer and longer though | 14:41 |
| kholerabbi | Sorry, I actually haven't a clue what this is about. | 14:41 |
| djsiegel | hehe | 14:42 |
| djsiegel | np, good suggestion kholerabbi | 14:42 |
| djsiegel | hmm, I'd prefer a comma | 14:42 |
| djsiegel | Share the disk with existing installations, allow me to choose between them when I start the computer | 14:42 |
| djsiegel | mac_v, better? ^ | 14:42 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: better , | 14:43 |
| djsiegel | "share the disk", "allow me to choose", "use the entire disk" | 14:43 |
| djsiegel | "specify partitions manually..." is the odd one out | 14:43 |
| kholerabbi | wtf is empathy telling me "doesn't" is bad spelling O.o | 14:44 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: "Let me specify manually" | 14:46 |
| djsiegel | hmm, we're supposed to avoid "letting" the user take action | 14:47 |
| djsiegel | it makes the user feel like the computer is in control instead of vice versa | 14:47 |
| mac_v | hmmm.. | 14:47 |
| MDC1 | "custom design" | 14:48 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: "Choose advanced options" | 14:48 |
| djsiegel | too vague | 14:48 |
| djsiegel | "Use special partitioning (advanced)" | 14:48 |
| kholerabbi | 'advanced' should be avoided | 14:49 |
| mac_v | kholerabbi: advanced needs to be mentioned so that novice users dont mess up | 14:51 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: i think it sounds good , or "Use advanced partitioning" | 14:52 |
| djsiegel | "Use advanced partitioning... | 14:53 |
| djsiegel | and no need for "(advanced)" | 14:53 |
| djsiegel | great! want to update the bug? | 14:53 |
| djsiegel | post a new comment with just the suggestions and a small comment, let the "mockup" argue itself | 14:54 |
| kholerabbi | "Share the disk with existing installations, allow me to choose between them when I start the computer"... I'm tired, so might be nit-picking, but "allowing" sounds more correct than "allow". | 14:58 |
| mac_v | djsiegel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/400047/comments/14 | 15:07 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 400047 in hundredpapercuts "Installer's "Install them side by side" option is vague and confusing" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:07 |
| AnAnt | Hello | 15:41 |
| AnAnt | is it possible for an app using notify-OSD to disable "truncation" capability from notification daemon ? | 15:41 |
| AnAnt | if not, how can I know the maximum length of text before it gets truncated ? | 15:42 |
| mac_v | AnAnt: apps cant override the truncation , i think the limit is in the wiki > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD , if not, ask MacSlow | 15:45 |
| MacSlow | correct, apps cannot override that | 15:45 |
| MacSlow | AnAnt, the reason is to avoid spam | 15:46 |
| MacSlow | notification-spam | 15:46 |
| AnAnt | I see | 15:46 |
| AnAnt | thanks | 15:50 |
| AnAnt | so, is messaging menu only for messaging (IM / email ...) apps ? | 15:50 |
| AnAnt | back to the first question, the wiki says that maximum text length is 10 lines | 15:53 |
| AnAnt | now, how long is a single line? | 15:54 |
| hyperair | hmm regarding that messaging menu, it appears to be using some strange font hinting that results in the text having a shade of purple | 15:55 |
| mac_v | hyperair: lol ... bug # ? | 16:08 |
| hyperair | didn't file one | 16:08 |
| * hyperair is lazy | 16:08 | |
| hyperair | you can go file it for me =D | 16:09 |
| mac_v | hyperair: hehe... WFM , so i cant complain ;p | 16:09 |
| AnAnt | is there a wiki for messaging menu ? | 16:09 |
| mac_v | AnAnt: search the wiki , there is a page | 16:10 |
| mac_v | mpt: about the nautilus spatial mode , are you fixing it or ... ? | 16:14 |
| hyperair | spatial mode? | 16:15 |
| hyperair | is that the strange mode that opens a new window with every folder? | 16:16 |
| mac_v | yeah | 16:16 |
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| mpt | mac_v, no, I haven't done anything about that | 17:06 |
| mac_v | mpt: ah... should i file a bug? | 17:07 |
| mac_v | upstream that is | 17:07 |
| mpt | mac_v, sure | 17:08 |
| mac_v | mpt: any other alternate name for spatial mode? | 17:08 |
| mac_v | i'll add that to the bug | 17:08 |
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| mpt | mac_v, as I suggested yesterday, I think the "Open" item should always be there to open in a spatial-mode window, and the "Browse" item always there to open in a browser-mode window | 17:09 |
| mpt | so, no need for a special term | 17:10 |
| mac_v | ok | 17:10 |
| mrooney|w | mac_v: yeah that sounds reasonable | 18:49 |
| mac_v | mrooney|w: i usually invalidate any synaptic bugs , letting mvo deal with it at his leisure ;) | 18:51 |
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| mrooney|w | mac_v: did you see those 20 papercuts all filed by the same person last night, with the entire bug in the description | 19:18 |
| mrooney|w | looks like fun! | 19:18 |
| mac_v | yeah... i have them all bookmarked , to be invalidated ;p most are just new idea! | 19:19 |
| mac_v | ideas* | 19:19 |
| mac_v | mrooney|w: you should have seen papercuts initaily , every person would file 10 bugs , all new ideas! once they know wht it is actually they stop | 19:20 |
| mrooney|w | yeah | 19:21 |
| mrooney|w | I wish it was clearer that papercuts are just a task and that the bug also needs be placed in the right package | 19:21 |
| mac_v | mrooney|w: pls , invalidate them , i just got tied up with , with a few crashes in my sys. , | 19:22 |
| mac_v | mrooney|w: this should make things easier > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses#Invalid%20One%20Hundred%20Paper%20Cuts | 19:22 |
| mrooney|w | I am at work ATM so I may not get to them :) | 19:22 |
| mac_v | mrooney|w: np ... ok... ;) , i'll get to it later | 19:23 |
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