[00:03] Riddell: ok, I am drunk :P [00:03] Riddell: add LGPL and you get an ACK [00:05] I did [00:05] the .orig should be updated [00:05] Messages.sh too now [00:05] not yet [00:08] Riddell: btw, rainct changed the revu to , since the latter actually gets rendered as buttons by konqueror [00:08] now [00:08] shoudl be arriving soonish [00:10] the debdiff only diffs the debian directories it seems [00:17] apachelogger: on plasma-widget-facebook could you see if it works at all, the packaging is less important than it installing and being able to run [00:24] Riddell: in previous versions of revu it included a whole diff, which makes a lot more sense for most reviews IMHO [00:25] Riddell: acked [00:26] Riddell: I don't have a facebook account so I could only test installing + init [00:27] apachelogger: but plasma can load it? [00:29] Riddell: no, the packaging is wrongish [00:29] for some reason the package the is rather empty [00:29] oh, it is not [00:29] Riddell: the desktop file is wrong name + wrong directory [00:29] apachelogger: /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/plasmoids/facebook/metadata.desktop ? [00:30] aye, should be in share/kde4/services/plasma-applet-facebook.desktop (I think, i.e. please sanity proof) [00:36] Riddell: ok, checkout revu [00:36] finally the buttons are actually themed [00:36] * apachelogger finds that quite awesome [00:36] well it works for me where it is [00:37] yeah, but the the buttons looked like crap :) [00:37] looks like a button to me [00:38] yeah, didn't before [00:39] more like someone puked or something [00:41] is there a way to find out which repo was used for a particular package? [00:41] I'm [00:41] slacker_nl: apt-cache policy [00:41] Riddell: i want to know which packages i have installed are from $repo [00:41] I'm not convinced by your moving of the facebook .desktop file, where does the code go? [00:42] Riddell: was hoping some kind of dpkg -l --show_repo command ;) [00:50] hmm, to complex this, time for bed [00:52] * apachelogger gives Riddell a good nice kiss and pulls the blanket up to Riddell's ears [01:07] g'night all around (head hits pillow...) [02:04] ryanakca: yay for ubiquity bugs :) [02:15] any feed back on the fullscreen installer? do we like it being fullscreen yea/no? [02:21] shtylman: I like it, as long as the minimize icon remains [02:22] k...that it shall [02:29] "kdebase" is not installed on my recently installed KU 904 with todays apt-update. Shouldn't it be??? - I got no reply in #KUbuntu, anyone here know the answer? [02:41] ryanakca: I could even live without a minimize icon ;-) ... that said, if the user goes straight to the installer (i.e. not via the live session) will the minimize icon not be displayed? [02:45] Anyone know when KU904 will get the functionality like in adept, the gui apt mgr in KU 804? ie, something better than KPackageKit? [02:46] apachelogger: I would assume so, but I'm not the one writting it ;) [02:49] shtylman: ^ [02:49] ryanakca: I though you tested it :P [02:51] apachelogger: I did today. Took all morning ;) [02:52] apachelogger: yes...if in install only mode..you cannot minimize [02:52] ok [02:52] I love the installer then [02:52] seriously [02:52] if this is not the case a bug should be filed :) [02:52] thanks [02:52] I totally went crazy [02:52] so did my best friend [02:52] hahaha [02:52] way too awesome :) [02:52] * apachelogger buries shtylman in cookies for that [02:53] thats the reaction I was hoping for :) [02:54] well, with that kind of improvement what else could you expect [02:54] also, I wonder how ubuntu can top that :P [02:54] heh [02:55] I don't know if they will try to ... not everyone would like the installer to be like that..I am sure some people prefer the app looking one [02:56] well, trust me on that, $bestfriend is a hardcore usecase user, so if he likes it, you can be sure it fits at least 90% of the target audience [02:57] cool [02:58] got a few more improvements to add to it...then it will be where I envisioned it when I started this frontend skinning === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [06:29] Just got back from seele's birthday party. [06:39] Did anyone test an updated knetworkmanager snapshot with the new -workspace? [06:42] i got home first and i used public transit! [06:47] You live way closer than I do. [06:57] oh [06:57] are you a columbia person? [06:57] Ellicott City (past Columbia) [07:10] yikes === m4v_ is now known as m4v === slacker_nl is now known as slacker_nl|test === slacker_nl|test is now known as slacker_nl === ejat is now known as e-jat [11:45] asac: did you work out what was still needed for a working knm? [11:56] Riddell: nothing new needed. just what i told initially ... you need to bump knetworkmanager to trunk if you bump workspace to latest from branch ;) [11:57] it worked perfectly here when using the trunk with the workspace version that has the patch applied === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [11:57] confirmed it yesterday [11:57] * asac is on swap day though [11:58] stop looking at your computer then! [11:58] Riddell: any plans to merge latest pkg-kde-tools (>= 0.4.11) into karmic? google-akonadi package from debian would like it [12:00] * Lure is still confused by quassel connect and konversation doesn't when at work [12:00] s/by/why [12:00] Lure: I've no plans but it shouldn't be hard [12:02] Riddell: is there any concer as to newer packages, as it has bigger changes - may cause build-from-source problems for some packages [12:02] Riddell: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/pkg-kde-tools/pkg-kde-tools_0.4.11/changelog [12:02] hmm, debhelper 7 complexity [12:03] Riddell: I may look into merging it and trying it out in my ppa with akonadi, then you can decide what to do [12:04] * Lure does not know, as I am not following packaging changes lately [12:05] Lure: the kubuntu changes should all be factored out into kubuntu.mk now so it should just be a case of including that into kde.mk and debian-qt-kde.mk [12:05] but I could be wrong [12:05] asac: well it's working today although it wasn't yesterday for me, so I'll package that up [12:05] Riddell: it does look like, yes [12:06] Riddell: you need scottk workspace and latest knetworkmanager [12:06] i just tried to put the trunk bump patch intot he package and added it to series [12:06] but seems that the package doesnt apply any patches ;) [12:06] so take care ;) [12:07] hmm [12:07] odd [12:07] you will know what to do ;) [12:07] just package latest trunk and all will be fine if you also have latest 4.3.0 workspace [12:08] asac: go and do holiday things! [12:08] ack [12:08] till next week then [12:29] hmmm I wonder if it is better to install firefox or chromium on the eeepc wrt space [12:30] i need one of them for google gears but am short on disk space [12:30] anyone know which of them would need more disk space? [12:32] Nightrose: chromium doesn't support gears yet I think [12:32] bah not? [12:32] i thought it was build in.. [12:32] really don't thik so [12:33] hmm ok - that'd make the decision easy [12:33] * Nightrose will check at home [12:33] thx === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [13:05] Riddell and NCommander: KDE/Qt Main retries on armel are done and we're into Universe now. Amarok and kdeplasma-addons have real build failures that need investigating by someone that knows what they are doing. === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK [13:09] rocking stuff ScottK [13:20] apachelogger: plasma-widget-facebook needs that .desktop file in both places to work, sneaky [13:39] ohhh [13:39] Riddell: true [13:40] it's the very same in .kde ... if you just move the plasmoid to .kde/share/plasma it won't get in the list [13:40] so plasmapkg -i will install the source _and_ add a desktop file for ksycoca to be found [13:41] apachelogger: yep [13:41] I wonder what this does http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/akonadi-resource-googledata [13:42] Riddell: akonadi resource for google calendar and contacts [13:42] i.e. syncs desktop with those [13:43] that sounds very useful [13:44] Riddell: It's in Debian already. [13:45] We just need to sync/merge some depends first [13:46] ScottK: packages.d.o doesn't see it [13:48] Riddell: It's still in New. Sorry. The packaging is in qt-kde team svn. [13:51] Riddell: I've got a copy of the md5sum identical tarball locally for it. [13:51] ok so we can archive Tonio_'s one from revu [13:52] Yes [13:53] We need the newer kde-pkg-tools Lure was mentioning earlier and libgcal synced and then I should be able to just upload it. [13:53] Riddell: ^^ [13:54] hi [13:54] * Tonio_ is finally in canada [13:54] Hello Tonio_. Welcome to North America [13:54] ScottK: :) [13:54] aha! now i know why totem wont play videos @ firefox anymore [13:54] I'm there for 6 weeks, nothing to do in the evening [13:54] ubuntu dropped the xine backend [13:55] and gstreamer is an epic fail (tm) [13:55] I'm finally done with all the administrative stuff... [14:02] Tonio_: Did you try plasma-netbook yet? [14:05] ScottK: not yet, I was planning to test this WE, since I have basically nothing to do here :) [14:05] ScottK: needs testing and default settings I guess [14:05] ScottK: does it come by default with kubuntu-netbook right now ? [14:06] Tonio_: Needs some help with hacking on it too [14:06] Yes [14:06] ScottK: kk [14:06] As of Tuesday [14:06] ScottK: well, I was really out of the game since now cause I had priorities, but that's over now [14:06] Upstream is very open to contributions. [14:06] ScottK: you can count on me for this we [14:06] ScottK: especially since I'm on the same time zone than you now (or almost) [14:07] Where in Canada are you? [14:07] The main then is to help upstream get plasma-netbook as finished as we can. [14:08] ScottK: nearby montreal, sherbrooke [14:09] Tonio_: So you are in -0400 now, right? [14:12] ScottK, Tonio_: you were interested for akonadi-googledata, right? [14:12] ScottK: yep [14:12] I have debian package with updated libgcal and pkg-kde-tools (merge) in my ppa [14:12] Lure: yes, but it doesn't work as well as I expected [14:13] Lure: right now I'm a lot more interested in the akonadi-syncml plugin [14:13] Tonio_: calendar works for me, not sure about recurring events yet [14:13] Lure: but it would be nice to have both [14:13] Lure: there are gsoc projects so should be over in septembedr [14:13] hopefully [14:14] Lure: It seems like something we should have. [14:14] Tonio_: Same TZ as me then. [14:14] ScottK: oki ;) [14:14] great [14:15] ScottK: I have packages on my ppa for those akonadi plugins [14:15] those may not be svn up to date anyway [14:16] The google data one I have the md5sum identical tarball from Debian and their packaging so once the depends are updated, I can just upload it. [14:18] ScottK: in my ppa it is exact package from fabo [14:18] KO [14:18] OK even [14:19] ScottK: if you can review pkg-kde-merge in my ppa it would be great [14:19] or Riddell ^^^ [14:19] Lure: I really need to focus on $WORK today. [14:19] (and am not currently succeeding) [14:19] ScottK: no problem, for Riddell this actually means work ;-) [14:19] ScottK: I know the feeling ;-) [14:20] ScottK: /quit may help :) [14:20] _Sime: aren't you ment to be on holiday? [14:20] Quintasan: what's the status of http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-applet-flickr ? [14:20] <_Sime> Riddell: wifi baby! [14:20] Riddell: It's already in repos [14:20] <_Sime> the beach is just 20-30 meters away. [14:21] Riddell: here is link: https://edge.launchpad.net/~lure/+archive/ppa [14:21] Riddell: whenevr you have time ;-) [14:21] Quintasan: groovy, archived on revu [14:21] _Sime: stop teasing us! ;-) [14:21] Lure: will do [14:21] Riddell: You can nuke packages? [14:22] Riddell: are you archive-admin still? Then you can also take care for bug 411679 ;-) [14:22] Launchpad bug 411679 in libgcal "please sync libgcal 0.9.2-1 from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411679 [14:23] * Quintasan got some packages to nuke [14:24] didn't I like kill the KHC search? [14:24] a drage it is [14:26] <_Sime> cya, have to go snokeling... B-) [14:26] Quintasan: I can archive on revu yes [14:27] nah, I want them to disappear from there [14:27] anyone is working on aurorae? [14:33] not that I know of [14:37] Then I will try to package it [14:37] Quintasan: we already have kwin-style-aurorae [14:37] in the arhicve [14:37] I don't know if it's the latest version [14:38] I wanted to ask that :O [14:38] * mgraesslin uploaded a new tarball to kde-look today so it probably isn't [14:39] well, I'm up for updating it if I find diff.gz [14:39] Quintasan: apt-get source or get it from launchpad [14:40] * Quintasan is still on jaunty [14:40] http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-googlecalendar needing review (still to poke upstream into including COPYING file) [14:41] * apachelogger needs a bug status dont-care-geek-crap [14:42] Riddell: code does neither contain copyright nor license statements either [14:43] hurr durr, why do I always forget about dget -x? [14:43] apachelogger: as I just said :) [14:46] 3) according to kde-look 1.1.1 is out, I suppose upgrading makes sense [14:46] 4) copyright header seciton should be Upstream-Name: Upstream-Maintainer: ... [14:46] Riddell: ^ [14:46] Riddell: thanks for libgcal sync [14:48] Riddell: I suppose kde.mk could use some fancy feature to auto-create a symlink form metadata.desktop to the services directory [14:51] Riddell: speedcrunch does not localize [14:52] apachelogger: it should, it has enough .qm files in /usr/share/speedcrunch/locale [14:54] sorry, that statement was incomplete [14:54] bug 366285 [14:54] Launchpad bug 366285 in speedcrunch "Kubuntu - setting "Country or region" is ignored by applications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/366285 [14:54] it does not localize when KDE country settings are changed [14:57] Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubiquity/kde-desktop-file/+merge/10155 [14:57] Yay for broken kernel in jaunty and nonworking fglxrx in karmic :S [14:58] Riddell: can we do something about that at all? [14:59] Riddell: it appears that the decimal symbol is set via the qm file [14:59] so unless the lang is switched, there is little chance to get the decimal symbol changed [15:03] hm [15:03] BUG [15:03] Riddell: the window name of systemsettings is not translated [15:03] I suppose that is caused by desktop file stuff [15:12] apachelogger: I've started tagging Kubuntu translation bugs as (imaginatively enough) 'kubuntu' in the ubuntu-translations project in order to keep track of them (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-translations/+bugs?field.tag=kubuntu) what you are mentioning would be a good candidate to be reported [15:12] there [15:13] dpm: I'd rather fix it right away ;-) [15:14] oh yeah, that's always the preferred approach :-) [15:27] \o/ [15:27] Connecting now via knetworkmanager [15:27] asac: ^^^ [15:27] Riddell: ^^^^ [15:27] This is with wpa-psk [15:34] apachelogger: Would you please add kubuntunetbook to the kubuntu group on identi.ca? [15:34] Is that how that works? [15:37] ScottK: is kubuntunetbook a group or what? [15:39] ScottK: awooga [15:40] apachelogger: No. It's just me 'denting about netbook stuff [15:49] ScottK: then you add yourself to it [15:50] groups are join, not invite [15:57] segphault's talking about making a plasma frontend to gwibber [15:58] since he's writing a daemon + tack-on gui version now for gnome [15:58] and um the µblog plasmoid is useless...doesnt post...only shows your own updates... [15:58] maco: that would be cool [15:58] then it should be fixed [15:59] he said he looked at the current plasmoid's code and its fubar :P [16:00] Riddell: ok, the problem is that some (almost all?) desktop files define -capation "%c" as exec argument, easiest solution would probably be to strip that in the cdbs magic [16:00] but [16:00] this will not work for say gnome apps that define -capation [16:00] apachelogger: I've never understood the need for that [16:00] it is not [16:00] maybe it is faster or something [16:01] no it's not, an app knows its own name regardless [16:01] maybe it's used before the app has started though [16:01] apachelogger: where did nuno mention that Kubuntu wasn't part of the branding idea? [16:02] for the taskbar entry while the cursor is bouncing? [16:02] Riddell: in a quey we had [16:02] branding idea? [16:02] Riddell: Still crashy however (knm). Two crashes awaiting retrace right now. [16:03] neversfelde: new plasma-widget-plasmaboard out [16:03] ScottK: I don't think I've ever had it crash on me [16:03] Riddell: OK, we'll see what the backtraces say. [16:04] Riddell: I am not sure where that -capation stuff gets filled in from though ... my best guess is somewhere within kservicegroup, which creates a kdesktopfile object and then creates a kconfigroup using its desktopGroup() function, from that it apparently gathers the capation [16:04] m_strCaption = config.readEntry( "Name" ); [16:04] Riddell: plasma-widget-plasmaboard? [16:05] Riddell: but for me anything underneath kdesktopfile just becomes more and more cryptic [16:06] neversfelde: on screen keyboard [16:07] reminds me I have to look at it [16:08] and adds to it some features from Kvkbd [16:08] well, it appears to implement kconfig and puts all the information into a kconfiggroup obviously [16:08] but I have no idea where to hook into kconfig in order to create a fallback if resolution from desktop file content fails [16:09] Riddell: maybe you have more luck :) [16:10] * apachelogger needs to take a shower [16:11] ScottK: nice. finally all the bits are up ;) [16:12] * asac off again for swap day ;) [16:12] asac: Yes. Enjoy your day off. [16:14] apachelogger: I did join the kubuntu group, but kubuntunetbook doesn't show up as a member? [16:14] Posts don't show up either. [16:16] Can someone check if wep works with today's knetworkmanager? [16:16] ScottK: working for me [16:16] Kewl. You really should upgrade to wpa [16:19] I usually don't use any encryption, but my neighbours started using gnutella so had to change that [16:22] ScottK: I dont think that is how groups work [16:22] you'd need to have !kubuntu in the posts [16:23] Ah. [16:23] I see. [16:23] Got it. [16:43] Quintasan or lex79: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kde4+bluetooth+files+open?content=108869 might be worth packaging. I can confirm blueman works way better than kdebluetooth right now. [16:51] Riddell: I am not at home till end of next week, but I will have a look at it after I return. [17:03] ScottK: I have not bluetooth in my desktop, so I can't test the package if I do, maybe Quintasan has a notebook [17:04] lex79: I can test it. [17:07] ok [17:12] hey wait i heard we can use osx dashboard widgets on kde [17:12] how? [17:17] Riddell: in Germany, recently the police have raided and searched a home and took all network equipment with them because the guy supposedly ran an open WLAN [17:17] at least that's what they gave him as a reason why they wouldn't need a judge to grant permission to search his home [17:17] "Imminent Danger because of an open WLAN" [17:20] wtf [17:20] mmm, IM hungry [17:25] http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,10013420o-2000498448b,00.htm " [17:25] "Kubuntu Netbook Release Coming" [17:28] shtylman: bzr diff -r 3364..3365 on ubiquity, lots more changes for timezones for kde frontend [17:32] Riddell: can you upload digikam, kipi-plugins, choqok and kde-style-qtcurve from bzr ? :) thanks [17:33] someone's been busy [17:35] lex79: choqok 0.6.6-0ubuntu1 where's the new .orig.tar.gz? [17:35] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Choqok?content=95760 [17:37] an actual download link preferred [17:38] Riddell: http://mirror.umoss.org/download.ospdev.net/choqok/choqok/0.6.6/choqok-0.6.6.tar.bz2 [17:40] lex79: got links for the other ones (if I need them)? [17:42] Riddell: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/digikam/digikam_1.0.0~beta3.orig.tar.gz [17:42] http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kipi-plugins/kipi-plugins_0.5.0.orig.tar.gz [17:44] Riddell: http://home.freeuk.com/cpdrummond/QtCurve-KDE4-0.67.5.tar.bz2 [17:49] lex79: the get-orig-source in kde-style-qtcurve doesn't work, could you fix it or remove it? [17:49] Riddell: ok I'll do [17:53] lex79: rest uploaded [17:54] Riddell: also I've soprano-backend-sesame 2.3.0 [17:54] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soprano-backend-sesame/+bug/412786 [17:54] Launchpad bug 412786 in soprano-backend-sesame "New upstream release soprano-backend-sesame 2.3.0" [Undecided,New] [17:56] lex79: super [17:58] lex79: uploaded, thanks [18:07] Riddell: launchpad bug 407727 [18:07] Launchpad bug 407727 in kphotoalbum "Sync kphotoalbum 4.0.2-1 from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407727 [18:15] ryanakca: about? [18:21] Which the difference between /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/debhelper/kde.mk and /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk ? [18:21] pkg-kde-tools 0.4.11 introduced /debhelper/kde.mk, we should switch to this for new packages? [18:25] lex79: debhelper/kde.mk is scary debhelper 7 stuff, I'd ignore it for now [18:26] okay [18:27] Hello All, this is Max from the web browser project: http://dooble.sf.net - We currently try a linux deb release. [18:27] Maybe someone wants to support that, we use Qt and Webkit, currently two members of this community encouraged me, to ask here in the forum [18:28] With the follwing idea: [18:28] we have a desktop integrated in the browser, the Dooble Desktop [18:29] and one idea is to make the browser the desktop of a linux kernel, so that apps an be started from the browsers desktop, like google android [18:29] if kde apps then want to use an own main window, then nothing changes, and if they want to plug in into one browser tab, that is as well possible [18:30] if you want to have a look , try a compile out of the SVN with Qt environment with qmake just dooble.pro file [18:30] it is one click to compile, but deb package needs longer [18:30] our contact mailinglist is: "dooble-team" , [18:31] join if you like [18:31] screen movie is here: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8m316_dooble-web-browser-sumaawardsapplic_school [18:32] we have desktop, 45 languages and not an addicted google search attitude. [18:32] agateau: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/konversation-devel/2009-August/002915.html [18:32] SVN http://dooble.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/dooble/ [18:33] Riddell: I gave an explanation about this in your blog comments, can you paste it there/point them there [18:33] (I am not subscribed to konversation-devel@ and about to be on holiday) [18:34] yeah, you french and your 35 hour week :) [18:34] I'll reply to him [18:34] Riddell: :) are you being jealous? [18:41] Riddell: new kmail patch with almost-completely-working configuration ui available on my page [18:42] http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/indicate/ [18:42] Time for holidays [18:42] Riddell: :) as I already said, even for most french, 35 hours a week is just a legend :) [18:42] agateau could confirm this I guess :) [18:42] agateau: hi, btw [18:42] Tonio_: unlike you Canadian slackers :) [18:42] hi Tonio_ [18:42] yes, I confirm! [18:42] Riddell: haha [18:43] hey Tonio_ [18:43] agateau: rocking [18:43] agateau: bon vacance [18:43] Riddell: thanks! [18:43] Riddell: *bonnes vacances [18:43] :p [18:43] :) [18:43] agateau: going on vacations ? have fun then [18:43] smarter: but but, it's only one vacance [18:44] Riddell: it's like being on holiday*s* [18:44] Riddell: I'm at work, but yes [18:44] I only every go on one holiday at a time [18:44] anyway, daugther is waiting for me, have to go for real now === Lure_ is now known as Lure [19:40] Riddell, asac: thanks for working k-n-m - wpa2-psk works for me now [19:41] hi! mp3 is broken? [19:41] hi! mp3 is broken? [19:43] yay! stupid irc colors... [19:44] Lure: how, where ,when? [19:47] Lure: ah you are talking about the kde3 knm [19:47] ulaas: no, kde4 knetworkmanager in karmic [19:48] Lure: the beautiful plasmoid? [19:48] ulaas: no, standalone app (tray icon) [19:48] ulaas: plasma is being developed [19:49] thats qt3... [19:49] anyway [19:50] any info on mp3? [19:50] ulaas: nope qt4.5/kde4 knetworkmanager [19:51] a|wen: ok! i am listening... [19:51] you mean the mp3 in general (the libs)? [19:52] a|wen: i have xine and gst backends. still no mp3 from amarok [19:52] xine-ui also cannot playback. (yes the ffmpeg plugin is installed) [19:53] no wonder this is an alpha :) [19:53] a|wen: one by one please :) knm.. where is that? [19:54] ulaas: default in karmic since a week or two ago ... starts automatically and is in the systray [19:54] a|wen: hmm package name? i am a ubuntu-desktop convert [19:57] ulaas: do you have kubuntu-desktop installed? [19:57] a|wen: sure! thats the easiest way to from gnome to kde :) [19:58] should be pulled in as a depends or recommends from that ... but has been fixed very recently (and needs restart of kde i think) [19:59] a|wen: you are positive that it goes ok with wpa2 psk ? [20:00]