[00:00] <diverse_izzue> hmm
[00:00] <diverse_izzue> you can try having a look at the xorg log file in the guest
[00:00] <diverse_izzue> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[00:00] <avihayb> don't you just press install guest addition in the vbox software, and look aound in the cd in the virtual os?
[00:00] <BUGabundo> hummm
[00:00] <BUGabundo> who updated topic??
[00:00] <diverse_izzue> avihayb, right, that's the other option
[00:01] <starwind> I did that at first avihayb, but it gave , me an error in the terminal
[00:01] <diverse_izzue> starwind, it is possible that the guest additions are not ready yet for karmic
[00:01] <diverse_izzue> when jaunty was in developtment it was the same
[00:02] <starwind> ah, shame :(
[00:02] <diverse_izzue> does the X log reveal anything?
[00:03] <starwind> lol...it's blank?  @_@
[00:03] <starwind> i swear I can't do anything right..
[00:04] <diverse_izzue> what is blank? your Xorg.0.log is empty?
[00:04] <starwind> yeah
[00:05] <starwind> maybe I did it wrong
[00:05] <starwind> I ran sudo gedit /var/log/xorg.0.log from terminal
[00:05] <diverse_izzue> capital X!
[00:06] <starwind> told you..
[00:06] <starwind> hwh
[00:06] <starwind> heh
[00:06] <starwind> now it pulled
[00:06] <starwind> what am I looking for exactly that may be of help to you?
[00:07] <starwind> cause im blind
[00:07] <diverse_izzue> search for WW or EE
[00:09] <starwind> I have a few lines that read 'not using built in mode /resolution/  no mode of this name'
[00:10] <diverse_izzue> does it mention at some point that it's using the vbox driver? try searching for box
[00:14] <starwind> no can't find anything
[00:14] <starwind> :(
[00:14] <diverse_izzue> then it's maybe using the vesa driver?
[00:14] <starwind> yeah it mentioned the vesa driver
[00:15] <diverse_izzue> all right, then for some reason it can't find the x driver
[00:15] <diverse_izzue> sorry, i don't know what's going wrong. maybe try the virtualbox forums
[00:15] <starwind> that's ok, thanks for trying I appreciate it
[00:16] <diverse_izzue> no prob
[00:16] <diverse_izzue> i'm off, good night
[00:38] <slacker_nl> is there a way to find out which repo was used for a particular package?
[00:42] <crimsun> apt-cache policy
[00:42] <crimsun> it's not very useful for PPAs, but that's why the recommended policy is to use the PPA name in the version string
[00:43] <slacker_nl> crimsun: let me clarify, for all packages
[00:43] <slacker_nl> ala dpkg -l --show_repo
[00:43] <slacker_nl> or something like that
[00:43] <slacker_nl> crimsun: i don't use it for ppa's
[00:44] <slacker_nl> want to know which packages come from -proposed
[00:44] <crimsun> if you don't use it for PPAs, then just use apt-cache policy as suggested in multiple irc channels
[00:44] <slacker_nl> guess i have to
[00:44] <slacker_nl> bummer
[00:45] <crimsun> "have to"? is it strenuous or something?
[00:45] <slacker_nl> well, create a list of all packages, apt-cache policy them, grep for proposed, list the ones from proposed
[00:46] <slacker_nl> i was hoping something like you can do with stat, stat -c "%n %a %u %g" $file, but then for all installed packages
[00:48] <crimsun> or you could pin to the non-proposed, e.g., jaunty, and attempt to downgrade
[00:48] <crimsun> i.e., use apt pinning to get a list of the packages that would be downgraded/warned
[00:53] <slacker_nl> ahh, see what you mean
[00:53] <slacker_nl> the ones that need downgrading will be from proposed
[00:55] <billybigrigger> howdy all
[00:55] <billybigrigger> anyone here having problems with xchat today?
[00:56] <akio> !poll
[00:56] <akio> no
[00:57] <akio> sorry i had to do that
[01:00] <akio> i like triggering those things, like bug 405943
[01:03] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Will Banshee replace Rhythmbox as the default music player?
[01:03] <jacob> probably next cycle... I think?
[01:04] <jacob> it was set to go if Banshee was ready by feature freeze
[01:04] <jacob> but it isn't
[01:05] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Why? Is Banshee superior in some way?
[01:05] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: it has a more active upstream development
[01:06] <jacob> the rhythmbox maintainer announced that he probably won't work on it much past bug fixing
[01:06] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: And that's the only reason?
[01:06] <bjsnider> a mono app is not going to become a default gnome app
[01:06] <jacob> bjsnider: you sure about that?
[01:06] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Because it's already perfect?
[01:07] <jacob> bjsnider: I take it you haven't seen Tomboy or F-Spot, both of which are Mono applications, are included with GNOME, and are on the default Ubuntu installation
[01:07] <jacob> for what it's worth, Rhythmbox is not a GNOME module either.
[01:08] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: there were other reasons; I'd have to find the notes on it
[01:08] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream/Banshee#Banshee%20by%20Default%20Work
[01:09] <jacob> I prefer the interface of Banshee to RB, but I'll agree that it needs some work. Missing crossfade and Last.fm is currently broken. :-!
[01:09] <bjsnider> jacob, if core gnome apps don't need gtk, then i guess a qt app could make it in too
[01:09] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: that's the page
[01:09] <jacob> bjsnider: ..what?
[01:09] <kklimonda> xcdfgkjhgcv: banshee is a better media player but untill all bugs are fixed it's not going to replace rhythmbox
[01:09] <jacob> F-Spot, Banshee, and Tomboy are all GTK+ apps
[01:10] <kklimonda> xcdfgkjhgcv: as feature freeze is in 13 days I'd say banshee won't make it this time
[01:10] <jacob> bjsnider: The GTK bindings for Mono are no different than GTK bindings for Python or C++
[01:10] <kklimonda> xcdfgkjhgcv: banshee has a better media player support, better user interface..
[01:10] <xcdfgkjhgcv> I can't get DAAP music sharing to work with Rhythmbox. :(
[01:11] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: Banshee can't share over DAAP to begin with, heh
[01:11] <kklimonda> bjsnider: rhythmbox isn't a gnome application so we can change it
[01:11] <kklimonda> well, we could do it anyway..
[01:11] <jacob> which makes me wonder why it isn't on that list...
[01:11] <danbhfive> anyone know how to check that acpi is functioning properly?  I think that on alpha3, my fan was failing to speed up appropriately...
[01:14] <crimsun> jacob: current git head is broken, or 1.5.0 in ~banshee-unstable-team's PPA is broken, or ...?
[01:15] <jacob> crimsun: last.fm you mean? broken in 1.5.0 iirc (probably earlier as well)
[01:15] <jacob> haven't checked git
[01:15] <bjsnider> if you download gnome directly from the source tarballs, what is included?
[01:15] <baffle> jacob: I think you are supposed to maybe run Tangerine to share your library over DAAP. It imports the library from Banshee.
[01:15] <jacob> bug 397674 is on last.fm I believe
[01:16] <crimsun> hmm
[01:16] <jacob> baffle: yes, though it would be nice to have as a Banshee plugin. the version of tangerine packaged in the archives doesn't work with banshee 1.5.0+ either; don't know about the later releases from this week
[01:17] <kklimonda> crimsun: hiding behind other nick so people won't bug you about audio? it won't work, you can't hide from us ;)
[01:17] <jacob> bjsnider: you want the default modules list?
[01:17] <crimsun> kklimonda: you need to rebuild w/ the latest changes
[01:18] <crimsun> kklimonda: see also the ~ubuntu-audio-dev PPA
[01:18] <baffle> jacob: I think it just got a new maintainer, and he is just getting his feet wet afaik.
[01:18] <kklimonda> crimsun: should I upgrade all packages that I can using this ppa and build newer kernel from your audio-fixes branch?
[01:18] <jacob> baffle: that's what I thought, but I haven't tried the release at all. right now I've been using mt-daapd.
[01:18] <baffle> jacob: I'm using mt-daapd as well. It seems to work "ok".
[01:18] <bjsnider> jacob, i thought gnome included a default app to do any task, but i must be wrong
[01:19] <crimsun> kklimonda: yes, and yes. you should only get an updated udev and pulseaudio, anyhow.
[01:19] <crimsun> (well, udev- and pulseaudio-related)
[01:19] <crimsun> kklimonda: i hope you're using ccache for those kernel builds...
[01:19] <jacob> bjsnider: "to do any task"? not sure I understand
[01:20] <jacob> baffle: yeah, I have to restart it manually after a system reboot or it won't advertise its shares.
[01:20] <kklimonda> crimsun: sure - I've learned that ccache is a must when I work with packages and other big piles of code :)
[01:20] <bjsnider> jacob, in other words, a text editor, an audio player, a movie player, a file manager, a picture viewer et al.
[01:20] <baffle> jacob: But if I understand correctly, things like covers are not collected/shared by mt-daapd (not sure if that even is supported?). Is that part of the UPnP protocol, and not DAAP?
[01:21] <baffle> jacob: Actually, mt-daapd doesn't always start at all. Sometimes it doesn't announce shares (actually, that seems to happen randomly, I might have to restart my clients a few times) but it also seems to just segfault at start; Have to try 1-3 times to get it to run.
[01:22] <jacob> bjsnider: I'm not sure to be honest. they include anything that meets their standards and probably doesn't duplicate other features
[01:22] <bjsnider> i'm saying i doubt you'll see gnome's tarballs include mono apps
[01:22] <jacob> baffle: I didn't think DAAP sent covers, but I could be wrong. are you using the version from karmic or jaunty?
[01:22] <jacob> bjsnider: but they *do*! :)
[01:23] <xcdfgkjhgcv> I like Rhythmbox and dislike Banshee.
[01:23] <jacob> since a few releases back
[01:23] <bjsnider> but then the target system would need to have mono on it
[01:23] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: fair enough. :P
[01:23] <jacob> bjsnider: yes, Mono is an external dependency
[01:23] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Am I stupid for liking Rhythmbox's GUI?
[01:24] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: no, I like it too. I like Banshee's better, but RB's isn't bad.
[01:24] <baffle> jacob: Of what?
[01:24] <baffle> jacob: mt-daap?
[01:24] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: I like Rhythmbox's better
[01:24] <baffle> jacob: Jaunty.
[01:24] <jacob> Banshee has one killer feature for me: equalizer.
[01:24] <kklimonda> crimsun: ok, building right now - I'm going to test it tomorrow as I'm too tired right now to play with kernel.. last time I've done it I had to use LiveCD to fix my mistake :)
[01:25] <jacob> baffle: yeah, I'm using the karmic version. looks like there have been packaging modifications
[01:25] <kklimonda> crimsun: also mplayer isn't really working with pulseaudio when I have -ao alsa..
[01:25] <bjsnider> kklimonda, wha?
[01:25] <bjsnider> mplayer works fine with alsa
[01:25] <kklimonda> crimsun: after few pause/play cycles I get weird PA errors. I'll try to get them now
[01:25] <baffle> jacob: Packaging modifications? Not following here.
[01:25] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: Does Rhythmbox have an equaliser?
[01:25] <crimsun> kklimonda: make sure you're using the ~ubuntu-audio-dev PPA
[01:25] <crimsun> i push changes (fixes) there much faster than to the repo
[01:25] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: you can actually make banshee look like rhythmbox by selecting View > Browser on Top
[01:26] <bjsnider> kklimonda, you're using an external DAC?
[01:26] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: not officially. there are some hackish plugins, but none of them I've found work very well.
[01:26] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: I wish you told me that before I just uninstalled it.
[01:26] <baffle> jacob: I'm using the banshee-unstable-team PPA tho'. :)
[01:26] <kklimonda> bjsnider: no - the simplest integrated laptop card ;)
[01:26] <jacob> baffle: debian changes. probably things to do with the init scripts
[01:26] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: lol ^_^
[01:27] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: I'll give it another test.
[01:27] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: try it out for a day. mess with the preferences, plugins, etc, and see if you like it.
[01:27] <bjsnider> kklimonda, not sure why use alsa if you're not going to do passthrough
[01:27] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: Sure.
[01:27] <jacob> folder watch is missing though, but is supposed to be available soon I hear
[01:27] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: I remember I used it years ago on OpenSuse 10.1
[01:28] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: it has certainly evolved a lot from that
[01:28] <kklimonda> bjsnider: crimsun has said that using alsa ao (and not pulse) in mplayer is the right way.
[01:28] <jacob> dev version (1.5.0 or git) has a Rhythmbox importer as well
[01:29] <kklimonda> jacob: and what about gio support?
[01:29] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: I can't make a third viewing pane for genre.
[01:30] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: So it's not the same as my Rhythmbox.
[01:30] <jacob> while we're talking about audio.. anyone notice a problem with flash audio lag? video sites (youtube, dailymotion, etc) are fine, just interactive applets are off by a second or so. say it's adobe's fault and call it a day? :P
[01:30] <bjsnider> i doubt it's adobe's fault
[01:30] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: I think there's a setting to show it
[01:30] <bjsnider> adobe never does anything wrong
[01:30] <jacob> bjsnider: lol
[01:31] <jacob> kklimonda: gio in banshee? don't know.
[01:31] <xcdfgkjhgcv> bjsnider: Flash is shit.
[01:31] <baffle> jacob: But it is really irritating that there is no DLNA/UPnP plugin in banshee; I think someone started work ages ago..
[01:31] <jacob> baffle: yeah, I agree there.
[01:32] <bjsnider> is there one in rhythmbox?
[01:32] <jacob> bjsnider: yep, as well as a DAAP share host
[01:32] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: I can't find the setting
[01:32] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: neither can I... could have sworn it was there
[01:32] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Although I am using the version included in Jaunty.
[01:33] <baffle> bjsnider: Yeah, there is DLNA support in Rythmbox; But my DLNA server (I'm trying coherence here) doesn't show up.. :-/
[01:33] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: I like my four pane music browsing.
[01:33] <jacob> baffle: installed python-coherence, right?
[01:34] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: hehe, you don't _have_ to like it. just suggesting to give it a try. :)
[01:34] <bjsnider> they all look the saem. rhythmbox, listen, banshee
[01:34] <bjsnider> exaile
[01:34] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: But I can't browse my genre!!!
[01:34] <bjsnider> that's not worth 3 exclamation points
[01:35] <xcdfgkjhgcv> bjsnider: It is to me.
[01:35] <baffle> jacob: Actually, it seems my coherence is br0ken. The mediaserver doesn't start.
[01:35] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: okay, apparently genre isn't there just yet. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=538005
[01:35] <bjsnider> xcdfgkjhgcv, alright, i'll trade you one for a question mark
[01:35] <bjsnider> and one for an ellipsis
[01:35] <baffle> jacob: It's unable to create its SQLite DB; Either a bug in coherence or a wrong library.
[01:36] <jacob> ubottu yells gnome bugs now? tricky tricky
[01:36] <jacob> ubottu lies
[01:36] <komputes> Hello, I have a problem after installing GRUB2
[01:36] <komputes> I can no longer boot into my other partition
[01:36] <komputes> The issue is explained in detail here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/413345
[01:36] <komputes> I would appreciate any help available :)
[01:36] <jacob> baffle: weird. never had a problem with that
[01:36] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: I think it should be added to the requirements before including as default in Ubuntu as it'd be a feature regression to some.
[01:37] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: pretty sure it will be there. judging by that bug it should be in 1.6, which should be out well before feature freeze for karmic+1. (but not karmic.)
[01:38] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: I'm still searching for a music player which supports multiple genres.
[01:38] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: Without being shit in lots of other ways.
[01:38] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: there are a bunch out there.. exaile, amarok, listen, quod libet
[01:39] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Since when did Amarok implement it?
[01:39] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Quod Libet is shit in a few ways.
[01:39] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: i have no idea if they have. just shooting out random app names.
[01:40] <baffle> jacob: Wich version are you running?
[01:40] <xcdfgkjhgcv> It'd be brilliant if Rhythmbox had the feature.
[01:40] <bjsnider> xcdfgkjhgcv, what about "listen"?
[01:40] <jacob> baffle: of rhythmbox? 0.12.3, but I haven't used it in quite some time
[01:41] <jacob> listen was the perfect music player except it was missing one feature... but I don't remember what it was.
[01:41] <jacob> think it was play queues or something.
[01:42] <baffle> jacob: No, sorry, of python-coherence.
[01:42] <xcdfgkjhgcv> bjsnider: It has support for multiple genres per track?
[01:43] <bjsnider> i don't know
[01:43] <jacob> baffle: haven't used it in karmic, sorry.
[01:44] <jacob> baffle: you might be able to find information on it in the coherence package changelog, though: http://is.gd/2fRVE
[01:49] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Rhythmbox is currently my preferred music player for my 10,000 track collection.
[01:50] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: hey, no one is forcing you to change. just the default install next release might. :)
[01:50] <jacob> that is: might change, not force you to change
[01:51] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: If Banshee is included in 10.04 LTS, without feature regressions, I will happily switch.
[01:51] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: as far as I understand, Banshee will be included when it is feature-par with RB.
[01:52] <kklimonda> jacob: not exactly
[01:52] <kklimonda> jacob: there may be some small regressions
[01:52] <xcdfgkjhgcv> kklimonda: I hope not.
[01:52] <xcdfgkjhgcv> It must be equal or greater in every way.
[01:52] <bjsnider> if it's perfectly bug-free i'll use it
[01:52] <kklimonda> jacob: like in empathy case - it's not a full replacement for pidgin and ekiga
[01:53] <jacob> kklimonda: understandable, nobody needs a visualizer anyway :D
[01:53] <jacob> kklimonda: good point
[01:53] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: Good point.
[01:53] <xcdfgkjhgcv> I HATE Empathy.
[01:53] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Empathy doesn't have all my Pidgin plugins.
[01:54] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: heh. I like it for getting out of my way.
[01:54] <jacob> and not being stupid about how it stores passwords..
[01:54] <akio> i prefer empathy
[01:54] <kklimonda> xcdfgkjhgcv: and most people don't use any plugins.
[01:54] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: Elaborate.
[01:54] <xcdfgkjhgcv> kklimonda: Bullshit.
[01:54] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: about the passwords part or the "getting out of my way" part?
[01:54] <xcdfgkjhgcv> I love my autospellingfix, IRC, album save, Facebook chat, etc
[01:55] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: Both.
[01:56] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: most of this isn't evident until karmic, but empathy has a lot of desktop integration features. you can share lots of things with contacts: location, display, and soon even your banshee library
[01:56] <jacob> that's mostly the telepathy framework I understand, though.
[01:57] <jacob> I also found it much easier to set up than pidgin, personally.
[01:57] <jacob> as for the passwords, take a look at ~/.purple/accounts.xml. hello, passwords!
[01:57] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: Mine is encrypted.
[01:57] <kklimonda> :0
[01:57] <kklimonda> :)
[01:58] <jacob> empathy/telepathy stores them in the gnome keyring, which is not in plain text (I believe it is encrypted by your login passphrase.)
[01:58] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: possible, I guess. I haven't been using pidgin since April
[01:58] <jacob> or May, more likely.
[01:59] <jacob> empathy also has a more response upstream in the same manner banshee does.
[01:59] <jacob> responsive*
[02:00] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: I meant that my ~/ is encrypted.
[02:00] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: ah. well that's a different story, hah
[02:00] <jacob> doesn't stop a stray shell script from taking a peek at your passwords though.
[02:01] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: So where does Empathy store the passwords?
[02:02] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: the gnome keyring. I don't remember the file location, but see applications > passwords & encryption keys.
[02:03] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: Doesn't that require you to enter a passphrase, though?
[02:03] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: it's unlocked by your login passphrase when you sign in
[02:03] <jacob> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring has a lot more info on it
[02:06] <nhasian> are you guys able to do dvd playback with a fresh install of Karmic Alpha 4?
[02:06] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Why is the Remote Desktop Viewer so abysmally slow?
[02:07] <jacob> nhasian: with unencrypted dvds yes. gstreamer has menu support now.
[02:07] <nhasian> xcdfgkjhgcv, probably because xdamage is off
[02:07]  * jacob tried it with an on-ride dvd of cedar point :P
[02:08] <hggdh> anyway, the keyrings should be under ~/.gnome2 somewhere
[02:08] <nhasian> what about a regular store bought movie dvd?  i couldnt get either totem or vlc to play it
[02:08] <jacob> hggdh: ah, yep. ~/.gnome2/keyrings/login.keyring
[02:08] <jacob> nhasian: you probably need libdvdcss
[02:09] <hggdh> jacob, yes indeed, and all other keyrings you may create
[02:09] <nhasian> jacob, yeah i installed that
[02:11] <hggdh> interesting. Just accessed my user-encrypted ~./Private under root. And root reads it all
[02:12]  * hggdh wonders about that...
[02:12] <histo> hggdh: shouldnt' root be able to?
[02:12] <jacob> hggdh: probably because it's mounted. unmount it and try again
[02:12] <hggdh> histo, no, to my understanding, *any other* user should not be able to
[02:13] <hggdh> jacob, yes, I believe this would work. But, still this is an *user*-encrypted fs
[02:13] <jacob> hggdh: if you sign out and try to login as root (ie, recovery mode) you won't be able to without the mount passphrase.
[02:14] <jacob> hggdh: that is, if you're using ecryptfs
[02:14] <jacob> when your ~/Private directory is mounted, the only thing preventing access is unix access controls.
[02:14] <hggdh> jacob, that's good. Yes, I am running ecryptfs. But I, frankly, expected the fs to be mounted un-encrypted just for the user
[02:15] <hggdh> which is, obviously now, a mis-undertanding from my part. Still...
[02:16] <jacob> hggdh: in the event that someone gets ahold of your system, it will do the right thing. don't worry about it ;)
[02:16] <xcdfgkjhgcv> hggdh: I encountered the same confusion.
[02:16] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: I bloody well hope so.
[02:16] <xcdfgkjhgcv> I've got lots of private images on my laptop.
[02:16] <jacob> >.<
[02:17] <hggdh> TMI?
[02:17] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Don't be childish.
[02:17] <hggdh> :-)
[02:18] <hggdh> Still. I would like ecryptfs to limit access to the user holding the credentials, not any user. This would be better.
[02:19]  * hggdh considers it is really time to dive into the ecrytfs design decisions
[02:19] <jacob> hggdh: change the permissions on your private directory. there's nothing that can prevent root from looking while it's mounted
[02:20] <jacob> save jailing root with apparmor or something.
[02:20] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: What if someone gets control of my root?
[02:20] <hggdh> jacob, this is exactly the point. If it is user-mounted, it should be user-restricted
[02:21] <jacob> your private directory, by default, actually has rwx------ permissions set, so it's really fine.
[02:21] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: while your system is running? I'd certainly hope not...
[02:21] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: What if they steal my laptop and turn it on?
[02:22] <hggdh> xcdfgkjhgcv, it will still be encrypted, and unaccessible
[02:22] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: they can't decrypt anything without the mound passphrase, which is in turn encrypted by your login passphrase
[02:22] <jacob> there's nothing root can do in that situation.
[02:22] <jacob> s/mound/mount/
[02:22] <xcdfgkjhgcv> So the security of my data hinges entirely on the security of my login password?
[02:22] <jacob> in a way, yes.
[02:23] <hggdh> a possible problem is if your laptop is stolen while still powered on (and your id locked)
[02:23] <hggdh> then an attack is easy
[02:23] <xcdfgkjhgcv> So using a weak password such as "Iluvdolphins" would make it really easy for people to get at my data?
[02:23] <jacob> your actual encryption passphrase is in ~/.ecryptfs (different before karmic)
[02:23] <xcdfgkjhgcv> hggdh: Why?
[02:23] <hggdh> xcdfgkjhgcv, using easy passwords makes it really easy on an attack
[02:24] <jacob> ~/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase to be specific. _that's_ encrypted by your login password
[02:24] <xcdfgkjhgcv> hggdh: Why is a possible problem is if your laptop is stolen while still powered on (and your id locked)?
[02:24] <hggdh> xcdfgkjhgcv, there are known attacks on powered-on machines. A bit of work, but I guess by now is would be already scripted
[02:24] <avihayb> btw, why don't I have a folder called privet? I installed 8.10 and all...?
[02:25] <xcdfgkjhgcv> hggdh: RAM attacks?
[02:25] <hggdh> yes
[02:25] <jacob> avihayb: IIRC this isn't until 9.04. any you have to have ecryptfs-setup-private installed.
[02:25] <xcdfgkjhgcv> hggdh: I know of them.
[02:25] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: Where is it in Jaunty?
[02:25] <avihayb> the alternate 8.10 disk gave me that option
[02:26] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: /var/lib/ecryptfs, I think.
[02:26] <jacob> http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/08/moving-your-encrypted-home-meta-data.html by the way.
[02:27] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: And it's the encrypted form of my passphrase?
[02:27] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: yep. your passphrase was generated when you set up encryption.
[02:29] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: So if they crack my login password, they can use it to decrypt my wrapped-passphrase and get the key needed to mount my directory and steal my data?
[02:29] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: yep.
[02:29] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: But they can also crack the hash and get the key without messing with the login password.
[02:30] <jacob> that's a good reason why you shouldn't use your logon password anywhere online.
[02:30] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: bleh, not very easily. it's near impossible to tell if you have the right passphrase.
[02:30] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: So I need a strong login password and a strong mount password for good security.
[02:31] <hggdh> xcdfgkjhgcv, you certainly should seriously consider a strong login passphrase
[02:31] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: your mount password is likely already strong. 32 characters I think.
[02:31] <hggdh> and, as jacob pointed out, not use it anywhere else
[02:31] <jacob> be careful changing your login password though.
[02:31] <jacob> err.
[02:32] <xcdfgkjhgcv> jacob: Why?
[02:32] <hggdh> cuz your ecryptfs passphrase is encrypted with your login passphrase
[02:32] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: if you change your login password, you'll need to re-wrap / re-encrypt that wrapped passphrase
[02:33] <xcdfgkjhgcv> hggdh: So by finding out my login passphrase, the attacker can easily decrypt my cryptfs passphrase?
[02:34] <hggdh> well, by finding your login passphrase all one needs to do is login :-)
[02:34] <jacob> ^
[02:34] <xcdfgkjhgcv> hggdh: I was just thinking that.
[02:34] <xcdfgkjhgcv> So I MUST have a good login passphrase.
[02:35] <jacob> anyway. I probably should get some work done, heh.
[02:35] <hggdh> if you store sensitive data (as I do, customer data & personal), yes
[02:35] <xcdfgkjhgcv> So "iluvdolphins" isn't particularly strong?
[02:35] <hggdh> could be better
[02:35] <xcdfgkjhgcv> hggdh: I store sensitive jpegs.
[02:35] <xcdfgkjhgcv> And some AVIs.
[02:35] <jacob> xcdfgkjhgcv: http://goodpassword.com/ click generate password. that's a good password.
[02:36] <DanaG> here's the visualizer I use: extace.
[02:36] <DanaG> Crashes with libfftw from karmic, though.
[02:36] <DanaG> I had to downgrade the package.
[02:36] <xcdfgkjhgcv> hggdh: 17u\/D0lPH1n5?
[02:36] <hggdh> better
[02:36] <hggdh> not so much, since leet talk is known
[02:37] <hggdh> but it has the makings: special characters, upper/lower mix, digits
[02:41] <Twigaathy> yeow, this is not nice: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/fulldisclosure/2009-08/0174.html
[02:45]  * arand thinks a fully working triple boot w. jaunty is working too well, time to go karmic.
[02:49] <akio> nice that google caught it
[02:50] <stabu-> think anyone could help me out with a display problem with karmic?
[02:50] <akio> no one in this whole room
[02:50] <akio> j/k
[02:50] <stabu-> haha
[02:50] <stabu-> pisses me off i cant get 1900 x 1200 or whatever
[02:51] <akio> are you using a dvi to vga adapter?
[02:51] <stabu-> vga
[02:51] <komputes> andresmujica: Bug# 412807 updated with the info you requested
[02:51] <akio> you may need to just insert the modeline into Xorg.conf
[02:52] <akio> I hate saying that too.
[02:52] <stabu-> i cant even find xorg.conf
[02:52] <akio> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:52] <stabu-> not there in the alpha
[02:52] <akio> mine is
[02:52] <akio> im alpha
[02:53] <stabu-> werid
[02:53] <stabu-> i  really dont have one..
[02:53] <akio> there isn't much there but you can create a stanza
[02:53] <akio> there is no file there?
[02:54] <stabu-> see my pm, thats what i have
[02:54] <akio> ls -la /etc/X11
[02:55] <akio> you will need to switch into a vt, run sudo Xorg -configure, that will dump your Xorg.conf into /root - rename to xorg.conf and mv to your /etc/X11 directory
[02:56] <stabu-> vt?
[02:56] <akio> virtual terminal = ctrl + alt + F1
[02:56] <akio> F7 to return
[02:56] <akio> you will also need to kill X when you get to the VT
[02:57] <stabu-> grrr...
[02:57] <akio> run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[02:57] <stabu-> will that kill this session?
[02:57] <akio> yes
[02:57] <giovani> yes :)
[02:57] <akio> you might want to try a console irc client
[02:57] <giovani> or use another computer to irc
[02:57] <giovani> or both
[02:57] <akio> pop in tinyirc
[02:58] <giovani> irssi ftw
[02:58] <stabu-> i'll use another  :P
[02:58] <akio> or finch
[02:58] <akio> i havent learned irssi yet
[02:58] <akio> im about to get rid of gui
[02:58] <stabu-> make use of my netbook :P
[02:59] <giovani> it's all about irssi
[02:59] <akio> yeah, with KMS console is back baby!
[03:00] <akio> anybody ever heard of running X apps on an intel framebufffer?
[03:00] <akio> like the 945gm
[03:00] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Why isn't there some kind of notification tool for Evolution included with Ubuntu? How am I supposed to know when I've got new mail?
[03:00] <stabu2> weee
[03:00] <giovani> haha
[03:01] <giovani> eww, evolution
[03:01] <akio> xcdfgkjhgcv, that would be a function of evolution, not ubuntu
[03:02] <giovani> uh, mail-notification-evolution sir
[03:02] <giovani> I don't know what's so complicated
[03:02] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: Because it doesn't work.
[03:03] <stabu2> akio, i get a fatal error
[03:03] <giovani> xcdfgkjhgcv: I don't know what "it doesn't work" means ...
[03:03] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: I don't want to have to open Evolution just to check my mail.
[03:03] <giovani> xcdfgkjhgcv: uh, what?
[03:04] <giovani> that's what the mail-notification-evolution package is for ...
[03:04] <akio> stabu2, use pastebin
[03:04] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: The notification doesn't work unless Evolution is running.
[03:04] <giovani> to place an icon on your taskbar
[03:04] <giovani> xcdfgkjhgcv: of course not ...
[03:04] <akio> !paste
[03:04] <giovani> evolution is your mail application ... this is how computers work
[03:04] <giovani> if you want a non-evolution mail checker app -- there are dozens, pick one
[03:04] <akio> giovani, is Jean-Yves Lefort Ubuntu?
[03:04] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Then why is Evolution included by default?
[03:05] <giovani> but clearly evolution can't notify you of new mail unless evolution is running
[03:05] <giovani> xcdfgkjhgcv: because it's a popular email client
[03:05] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: Then make it minimise to tray or only run whilst mail is being checked.
[03:05] <akio> xcdfgkjhgcv, because the novell guys had some push
[03:05] <giovani> xcdfgkjhgcv: you clearly don't know how applications function
[03:05] <xcdfgkjhgcv> But I don't want it cluttering up my desktop 24/7 for no reason.
[03:05] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: I clearly do.
[03:06] <akio> use mutt
[03:06] <stabu2> akio its ok, im dumb and forgot sudo
[03:06] <giovani> xcdfgkjhgcv: no, clearly not -- this isn't an ubuntu problem ... this is a mail-applications-have-to-be-running-in-order-to-check-for-new-mail problem
[03:06] <giovani> if you'd like to use a different mail application, feel free -- there are dozens
[03:06] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: I know that.
[03:07] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: But it doesn't need to be running 24/7, only when checking for mail.
[03:07] <giovani> xcdfgkjhgcv: that's not logical
[03:07] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: Why not?
[03:07] <scizzo-> xcdfgkjhgcv: you are not making much sense here
[03:07] <giovani> that requires a cronjob, and it's a stupid wy to run a gui mail application
[03:07] <giovani> an application can't launch itself
[03:07] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: Sure it can.
[03:07] <giovani> absolutely not
[03:07] <xcdfgkjhgcv> With the aid of a notifier program.
[03:08] <giovani> no, that's a notifier application launching another application
[03:08] <giovani> that's not the same thing
[03:08] <xcdfgkjhgcv> It makes perfect sense to me.
[03:08] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: It's what I meant.
[03:08] <giovani> evolution doesn't work that way -- neither does any major mail application
[03:08] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: We need some sort of notification for Evolution.
[03:08] <giovani> this is not ubuntu-specific
[03:08] <giovani> evolution has notifications built in
[03:08] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: Then we must fix that.
[03:08] <giovani> that's not what you want
[03:08] <akio> giovani, mine does
[03:08] <giovani> no, we don't
[03:08] <akio> I use cgmail and Gmail
[03:08] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: Yes, we do.
[03:08] <giovani> akio: yours does what?
[03:09] <giovani> xcdfgkjhgcv: you're trolling
[03:09] <akio> a wathcer app that opens gmail
[03:09] <akio> a web app
[03:09] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: Fuck you.
[03:09] <giovani> leave, or I'll find a mod to resolve it
[03:09] <akio> ouch
[03:09] <hggdh> !ops
[03:09] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: Go away, troll.
[03:09] <nalioth> let us be civil
[03:10] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: akio has a notifier which launches a mail program which isn't running 24/7
[03:10] <xcdfgkjhgcv> But I want one for a non-webmail program.
[03:10] <xcdfgkjhgcv> Evolution, for example.
[03:10] <giovani> xcdfgkjhgcv: that's not specific to evolution, or ubuntu
[03:10] <giovani> there are dozens of pop/imap checking apps that can function the way you want
[03:10] <giovani> use any one of them
[03:11] <akio> xcdfgkjhgcv, you may be thinking of a tray function that hides the main gui
[03:11] <giovani> akio: he claims he doesn't want evolution running at all
[03:11] <xcdfgkjhgcv> akio: Yes, I am. But preferably without the program running and using resources.
[03:11] <giovani> xcdfgkjhgcv: then you want a mail-checkign tray application -- there are sozens
[03:11] <giovani> dozens*
[03:12] <akio> xcdfgkjhgcv, you use a less hungry mail app
[03:12] <akio> there are probably more mail apps than you would like to go through
[03:12] <xcdfgkjhgcv> But I want it integrated with Evolution so that it opens my mail in Evolution when I click it.
[03:12] <stabu2> there i put it on pastebin
[03:13] <giovani> xcdfgkjhgcv: that doesn't exist afaik -- talk to the evolution developers -- this isn't relevant for an ubuntu channel
[03:13] <giovani> cGmail is an imap/pop checking app that will launch evolution (or any other mail application you choose)
[03:13] <akio> stabu2, you are going to want to browse over the Xorg.conf manpage
[03:13] <giovani> however, it will not "integrate" with evolution
[03:14] <hggdh> although I can understand the idea, I am not sure it is in Evolution interest to develop such an interface
[03:14] <akio> X only needs a very small set of options to run
[03:14] <akio> it guesses most accurately
[03:14] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: Then I've identified a gap in the market.
[03:14] <stabu2> i think its my monitor
[03:14] <giovani> xcdfgkjhgcv: it's not a "market"
[03:14] <xcdfgkjhgcv> hggdh: Why not?
[03:14] <stabu2> i have the same machine at work but on a different monitor
[03:14] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: It's a figure of speech.
[03:14] <akio> xcdfgkjhgcv, it is really a gap in the way you are attempting to assert logic
[03:14] <giovani> but feel free to solve it
[03:15] <giovani> haha
[03:15] <stabu2> akio, what am i looking for?
[03:15] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: Sure. I'll get to work as soon as I wake up.
[03:15] <hggdh> xcdfgkjhgcv, Evolution already checks email. Why would we develop an utility to check email *then* call Evo, if Evo already does it?
[03:16] <scizzo-> xcdfgkjhgcv: no matter what I would bring this up with the evolution developers or add it as a wishlist function
[03:16] <xcdfgkjhgcv> hggdh: Synaptic checks for package updates, but I don't want to open it to update my system. I want to be notified when I get mail.
[03:16] <scizzo-> xcdfgkjhgcv: not with the ubuntu team
[03:17] <giovani> xcdfgkjhgcv: and cgmail will work the same way as the updates notifier app
[03:17] <giovani> so if you like that functionality, use cgmail
[03:17] <hggdh> xcdfgkjhgcv, update-manager* checks for updates & download them, not synaptic
[03:17] <akio> stabu2, you want to look for modeline and the monitor and modes section
[03:17] <xcdfgkjhgcv> giovani: I'll have a look at it.
[03:17]  * DanaG uses gnubiff
[03:18] <DanaG> handy thing that can be a panel applet.
[03:18] <xcdfgkjhgcv> hggdh: Did I not explain my point clearly enough?
[03:18] <DanaG> And I have it set to "quack" when I have a new message.
[03:18] <akio> you may be able to use http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[03:18] <xcdfgkjhgcv> hggdh: It makes more sense to be notified about new mail than having to check it for yourself.
[03:18] <hggdh> xcdfgkjhgcv, as far as I can understand it, yes.
[03:18] <hggdh> My only point is I do not see Evo developing it.
[03:19] <DanaG> gnubiff will even show you the subject lines of the messages.
[03:19] <stabu2> wow
[03:19] <giovani> xcdfgkjhgcv: with evolution (or any other normal mail application) you don't have to check for mail manually -- it does so in the background, at regular intervals; outlook, thunderbird, evolution, kmail all work this way
[03:19]  * akio oooh
[03:19] <hggdh> Evo development resources are already limited with the amount of work we have to do
[03:19] <giovani> you want a different feature that none of those applications support either
[03:19] <giovani> so either code it yourself, or speak to the people in charge of the application, not to anyone here
[03:20] <hggdh> well, he is speaking with one that deals upstream -- myself
[03:20] <giovani> hggdh: you're an evolution developer?
[03:21] <hggdh> giovani, no, I do not write code for Evo, but I am involved in the project
[03:21] <giovani> hggdh: great -- then can you direct him to the proper support channel for the project?
[03:22] <stabu2> akio, i dont see a modeline
[03:22] <hggdh> heh. #evolution at gimp.net, or evolution-list@gnome.org
[03:22] <akio> stabu2, press "/" while you are reading the manpage to search in less
[03:23] <hggdh> but -- again -- I do understand the argument. There are some options elsewhere.
[03:23] <akio> stabu2, try the modeline generator first, it is quick - you can learn the xorg.conf later
[03:23] <stabu2> i used that site
[03:24] <akio> did you generate a xorg.conf earlier?
[03:24] <stabu2> yeah thats what i put on pastebin
[03:26] <akio> pastebin the stuff from the generator
[03:26] <stabu2> Modeline "1920x1080@70" 225.80 1920 1952 2808 2840 1080 1101 1113 1135
[03:26] <stabu2> thats what itgives me
[03:27] <stabu2> im about to give up and go back 9.04
[03:27] <akio> that is what you would insert into the xorg.conf
[03:27] <akio> give me a sec and I can whip it up.
[03:27] <stabu2> but where
[03:30]  * akio i stink at vim
[03:30] <DanaG> quack!
[03:31] <akio> ?
[03:31] <DanaG> (07:18:12 PM) DanaG: And I have it set to "quack" when I have a new message.
[03:31] <akio> thats macish
[03:31] <stabu2> hah
[03:32] <giovani> akio: get better?
[03:34] <akio> giovani, i get sidetracked asioly
[03:34] <akio> !
[03:38] <akio> the xorg.conf manpage is pretty serious
[03:39] <stabu2> i still dont understand why i didnt have a xorg.confat first
[03:39] <xim_> anyone kinda familiar with audio encoding and codecs and bitrates?
[03:40] <jats1> xim_: a little
[03:40] <akio> stabu2, from what I understand the project is trying to minimize configuration if favor of automatic detection
[03:40] <akio> in*
[03:44] <xim_> im trying playing with settings for converting mp3s to mp4s in a program called fubar (actually windows), i notice it still allows me to set the bitrate when in VBR (which i assume stands for variable bit rate), yet when i select 20kbps convert it and check the file it comes out7kbps,  when i do 55kbps it comes out 13kbps, very strange,  i gues im wondering if its normal to like set a ballpark bitrate and then VBR changes as nece
[03:44] <xim_> ssary to maintain the nyquist rate or what
[03:44] <akio> stabu2, http://pastebin.com/d95c98bf
[03:44] <xim_> foobar*
[03:44] <akio> there
[03:44] <akio> I didn't lie
[03:45] <stabu2> thanks
[03:45] <akio> I took my own medecine.
[03:45] <akio> medicine
[03:46] <akio> xim_, that really is an encoder question
[03:48] <jats1> xim_: VBR varies the bitrate based on how much is needed(how complex the sound is at a given point). I'm not sure how fubar's encoder works, but I believe VBR the bitrate you set is a ballpark. If you want it to vary based on what's needed and still maintain a certain bit rate, use ABR(average bit rate). And yes, this probably doesn't belong in #ubuntu+1.
[03:49] <xim_> the strange thing is that its defintally losing a TON of frequencies dropping it all the way down to 7k, its spoken word tho so ~20k should be decent enough, but i figure if it had algorithms to set the vbr to the minimal necessary level it would realize how bad its getting screwed up going down to 7
[03:49] <xim_> lol sry i thought i clicked #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:50] <xim_> #ubuntu+1 is like the LAST place to ask about audio encoding on a windows app
[03:50] <stabu2> haha akio no workie
[03:50] <stabu2> it doesnt even boot x atm
[03:51] <xim_> jats thanks for the explaination tho
[03:51] <Tekno> morning
[03:53] <stabu2> akio, thanks anyhow man but i will just go back 9,04
[03:54] <jats1> xim_:your welcome
[03:54] <jats1> xim_:you're welcome
[03:55] <akio> stabu2, did you try the xorg.conf I sent you?
[03:56] <akio> and restart X?
[03:56] <stabu2> yup
[03:56] <akio> you need to log out and log back in
[03:56] <akio> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:56] <stabu2> i rebooted and it just gives me a login wihtout x
[03:56] <akio> are you on the terminal now?
[03:57] <stabu2> yes
[03:57] <akio> switch to another vt and less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:58] <akio> there is probably a reason in there
[03:58] <stabu2> ok gimmie a sec
[04:03] <stabu2> line 56
[04:04] <stabu2> akio, fatal error no screens
[04:05] <akio> stabu2, gimme a sec
[04:06] <stabu2> its Mode     "1920x1080@70"
[04:06] <stabu2> that line
[04:06] <akio> that isn't line 56
[04:07] <akio> but change it to Modes, I didn't remember correctly.
[04:07] <akio> I don't think..
[04:07] <stabu2> well its 56 on mine cause i took the spaces  out
[04:10] <akio> O
[04:10] <akio> take out that "Mode" line
[04:10] <stabu2> same line aand says "Modes" is not a vaild keyword in this section
[04:10] <akio> I think it only needs "Modeline"
[04:11] <stabu2> ok will try it
[04:13] <stabu2> error on 92 of section Screen
[04:13] <stabu2> "i" is not a valid keyword in this section
[04:13] <akio> there are typos
[04:15] <stabu2> just 24 then?
[04:15] <akio> I don't know what you are looking at.
[04:15] <stabu2>       Depth     24i
[04:16] <akio> holy crap
[04:16] <akio> I can't believe thats in there
[04:16] <akio> sorry about that
[04:16] <stabu2> haha its ok
[04:20] <akio> and I will stab you back, stabu2
[04:20] <stabu2> hahha
[04:20] <akio> corn
[04:20] <stabu2> it sorta worked
[04:20] <akio> sorta?
[04:20] <stabu2> its all funky
[04:21] <akio> how so?
[04:21] <stabu2> uhh werid color doesnt fit the whole screen
[04:21] <akio> oh, set your display's resolution
[04:22] <akio> system > preferences > display
[04:22] <stabu2> thats when it did it
[04:23] <akio> something isn't jiving
[04:23] <akio> that should work
[04:23] <stabu2> refreash rate may be wrong eh?
[04:24] <akio> stabu2, usually 60hz
[04:24] <akio> for lcds
[04:24] <stabu2> oopsy
[04:24] <akio> i don't think it would do that
[04:24] <akio> you have to play with it.
[04:25] <akio> part of using alpha
[04:25] <akio> it breaks
[04:25] <stabu2> hehe
[04:25] <stabu2> yeah i;ll mess with the modeline
[04:28] <stabu2> thanks for all the help tho
[04:29] <akio> no problem, someone helped me configure X a long time ago, returning the favor
[04:29] <stabu2> :D
[04:31] <lamalex> Hi, if I install gnome-shell does that give me another session option at gdm? how does it work?
[04:32] <stabu2> shouldnt i beable to steal the info i need from 9.04?
[04:32] <akio> stabu2, you can try getting the edid information
[04:32] <akio> or steal it from 9.04
[04:32] <stabu2> how would i steal it from 9.04?
[04:33] <akio> copy the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[04:37] <DanaG> ugh, damn ntfs-3g is using up to 90% of one CPU core.
[04:38] <akio> gnubiff is hardcore
[04:38] <bjsnider> i found gnubiff hard to configure and lacking in documentation
[04:38] <bjsnider> but i don't think it doesnw aht i want
[04:42] <DanaG> hmm, what do you want it to do?
[04:43] <DanaG> You can set it so double- (or more usually, triple-)clicking it opens the mail client.
[04:44] <bjsnider> i just want an app that's exactly like gmail-notify except it does hotmail and yahoo and whatever else. i just want it to ping a server, not keep anything local. i want all mail to stay in the cloud
[04:44] <DanaG> You can set it to do IMAP.
[04:47] <mac__v> lamalex: BTW ... do you know the gnome-shell ppa link?
[04:49] <jacob> mac__v: google is your friend: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
[04:49] <jacob> it's outdated, however
[04:49] <binarymutant> my sound goes to static in audacious, and in totem I keep getting 'pa_stream_writable_size() failed: Connection terminated'
[04:49] <mac__v> jacob: actually google didnt help me :( i had trid earlier
[04:49] <jacob> the version in the archives might suit better.. however I cannot get it to run
[04:50] <mac__v> jacob: how is it supposed to work , as a separate session? or ?
[04:50] <jacob> mac__v: run with --replace you can have it replace gnome-panel and metacity
[04:51] <jacob> run as gnome-shell alone it will run in an xnest session
[04:51] <bjsnider> DanaG, maybe you can, but i don't see where
[04:51] <DanaG> It's "account type".
[04:51] <mac__v> hmm....
[04:51] <jacob> mac__v: however I get a javascript error from the start, so I can't help much.
[04:51] <DanaG> under "edit..." on mailboxes.
[04:52] <mac__v> jacob: my main concern is , if it fails , is it easy to revert or is reverting tough..
[04:52] <jacob> mac__v: you just stop gnome-shell with a ctrl-c or sigint it
[04:52] <jacob> metacity and gnome-panel are relaunched
[04:52] <jacob> if the fails, just sign out
[04:52] <mac__v> ah... ok... nice :)
[04:59] <DanaG> grr, another example of the evils of software patents: http://jonahprobell.com/lexra.html
[05:07] <akio> DanaG, gnubiff holds space in the tray when there is no mail
[05:07] <DanaG> gnubiff can also be a separate panel applet.
[05:08] <DanaG> I replaced my shortcut to thunderbird with gnubiff itself.
[05:08] <DanaG> oh yeah, there's also mail-notifier, that's like a gnubiff that uses indicator-applet.
[05:08] <DanaG> I didn't bother setting it up... I don't like indicator-applet.
[05:09] <akio> does it pull the headers or mark items read?
[05:16] <DanaG> I don't know about the indicator one, but I'm pretty sure gnubiff does not mark as read.
[05:16] <DanaG> at least for IMAP.
[05:25] <DanaG> *screen blanks*
[05:25] <mac_v> akio: are your concerns that the indicator applet is always present?
[05:26] <akio> I got what I want out of mail-notification
[05:27] <DanaG> Cool.
[05:27]  * DanaG quacks
[05:27] <DanaG> =þ
[05:32] <lamalex> mac_v: no
[05:33] <mac_v> lamalex: jacob gave me the link > : https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
[05:40] <palesz> doesn anyone know why the screen flickers in karmic?
[05:41] <|ns|nR8> crt monitor or lcd ?
[05:42] <palesz> a netbook with an intel card
[05:42] <|ns|nR8> so LCD
[05:42] <|ns|nR8> no idea here sorry
[05:42] <palesz> pressing OK in Display seems to stop it but at login it still flickrs before I select the user
[05:44] <mac_v> palesz: are you up-to-date? using xsplash?
[05:44] <akio> DanaG,   Bug #44335
[05:44]  * akio sighs
[05:45] <palesz> yes mac_v, it seems to me that GDM uses an invalid refresh rate
[05:46] <palesz> I upgraded from Jaunty
[05:46] <palesz> so I tought my xorg.conf must be wrong but it doesn't seems to be the case
[05:46] <mac_v> palesz: xsplash , runs on X , so the INtel drivers maybe cause this
[05:46] <mac_v> causing*
[05:46] <mac_v> palesz: file a bug
[05:47] <DanaG> For me, xsplash itself causes stupid blinking between black, white, brown, and the gdm wallpaper I have set.
[05:47] <mac_v> DanaG: me too... hehe... ;p
[05:47] <palesz> is filing a bug against an alpha a good thing?
[05:48] <mac_v> palesz: that is what *has* to be done , in alpha you test things and report problems
[05:49] <palesz> ok, I have bad experience with bug filing, but I will try
[05:49] <lamalex> woww shutdown being removed from FUSA is super annoying
[05:49] <DanaG> I don't even have a FUSA.
[05:49] <DanaG> It's not in "add to panel".
[05:49] <DanaG> Or rather, there's  the old user-switcher.
[05:50] <mac_v> lamalex: there is no FUSA yet , that is user-switch-applet , tedg hasnt finished reworking
[05:50] <lamalex> ah
[05:51] <lamalex> from the gdm switch?
[05:51] <palesz> omg wtf
[05:51] <palesz> xf86-video-intel  does not use Launchpad as its bug tracker.
[05:51] <palesz> now what?
[05:52] <mac_v> palesz: file the bug against xsplash , then add the related drivers to the project
[05:52] <lamalex> palesz: you can do $ ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel
[05:52] <mac_v> palesz: ^ thats the right name
[05:52] <Armagedd1n> wow
[05:52] <Armagedd1n> alpha 4
[05:52] <Armagedd1n> cool
[05:53] <Armagedd1n> when is the Beta going to be released ?
[05:53] <|ns|nR8> oct
[05:53] <mac_v> !release | Armagedd1n
[05:53] <mac_v> !release schedule
[05:54] <|ns|nR8>  Schedule https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[05:54] <LLStarks> goddamn pulseaudio
[05:54] <LLStarks> keeps cutting out
[05:54] <Armageddon> i was asking about the Beta release so i could upgrade to it before their release
[05:54] <mac_v> Armageddon: check the link |ns|nR8 gave
[05:55] <Armageddon> oh thank you |ns|nR8
[05:55] <Armageddon> and thank you too mac_v
[06:01] <palesz> how do I tell that it's a Karmic bug?
[06:02] <palesz> this reporting form seems a little oversimplified...
[06:07] <mac_v> palesz: what do you mean simplified ? did you start the bug using $ubuntu-bug ?
[06:08] <palesz> I reported it against xsplash.... mac_v
[06:09] <mac_v> palesz: add the  xserver-xorg-video-intel as the also affects
[06:09] <mac_v> palesz: what is the bug #
[06:10] <palesz> done
[06:10] <palesz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/413399
[06:10] <palesz> how do I say that it's Karmic?
[06:10] <mac_v> palesz: now run $apport-collect 413399
[06:11] <palesz> on the netbook mac_v?
[06:11] <mac_v> palesz: when asked about permissions , select change any info
[06:11] <mac_v> palesz: yes
[06:11] <palesz> ok
[06:13] <mac_v> oh... wait , i think you reported against the main package and not against the ubuntu one!
[06:14] <palesz> how do I correct it?
[06:14] <mac_v> palesz: first try the apport-collect , if it doesnt work , we can change
[06:17] <palesz> ok I think it worked mac_v
[06:18] <mac_v> palesz: no , it doesn have essential info... wait , i'll change it
[06:19] <palesz> mac_v: I will do it if you tell me how, at least I won't do it wrong next time
[06:20] <mac_v> palesz: you should have started using the command , lamalex gave you , ! now run apport-collect again
[06:20] <palesz> with or w/o parameters?
[06:21] <mac_v> palesz: use this command $apport-collect -p xserver-xorg-video-intel 413399
[06:21] <cdm10> is it just me, or are a lot of things lacking icons in their buttons?
[06:22] <mac_v> cdm10: Bug #407621
[06:22] <palesz> ok mac_v, it's adding a lot of files\
[06:23] <palesz> ok it's done
[06:23] <cdm10> ugh, I dislike this decision. Alright then...
[06:23] <mac_v> palesz: for reporting any bug , always start with $ubuntu-bug "yourappname", that will add the required info
[06:24] <mac_v> palesz: also see $man ubuntu-bug
[06:24] <palesz> ok actually I have another bug, that's related to xorg
[06:25] <mac_v> palesz: use $ ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-intel
[06:25] <ghindo> Is anybody else having a difficult time getting their system volume low enough?
[06:25] <palesz> mac_v: it's related to my touchpad but I have no idea which driver it is, how do I report that?
[06:25] <ghindo> I'm only able to get it at like 14 or 15% before it cuts out entirely
[06:26] <mac_v> palesz: For more about finding the right package> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage.
[06:26] <palesz> ok thanks a lot for the help mac_v
[06:26] <mac_v> np
[06:39]  * palesz is just starting to realize how good launchpad actually is once it's clear how to use it....
[06:40] <akio> I might be insane but how do I use "builddeps"
[06:47] <bjsnider> akio, in what context?
[06:48] <akio> i just needed to install one dependency, not sure how it works yet
[06:48] <akio> it wanted to install over 100 dependencies
[06:49] <richardcavell> alpha 4 is out!
[06:49] <bjsnider> do you know what dependency you want to install?
[06:49] <richardcavell> anyone want to give a review?
[06:50] <richardcavell> By the way, I take it that to go from my present installation to alpha 4 all I do is run update manager?
[06:50] <akio> update-manager -d
[06:50] <akio> iirc
[06:50] <bjsnider> no, he's already got karmic
[06:51] <richardcavell> bjsnider: yeah I installed Karmic alpha 3 and all updates up till about  2 weeks ago
[06:51] <richardcavell> so alpha 4 just represents alpha 3 with all the updates?
[06:51] <bjsnider> richardcavell, then your duty in this matter...seems depressingly clear.
[06:52] <richardcavell> bjsnider: huh?  (puzzled expression)
[06:52] <bjsnider> hhahahaaa
[06:52] <bjsnider> just being a jerk
[06:53] <bjsnider> just run the normal updates, and so forth and so on
[06:53] <akio> i always do a sudo aptitude update;sudo aptitude -y safe-upgrade
[06:53] <richardcavell> well at least it's got a new pulse audio file.  It can hardly get any worse
[06:54] <Armageddon> was there any project in Karmic to work further more on the laptops with Phoenix BIOS ?
[06:55] <richardcavell> is the bootup splash screen any different with xsplash?
[06:57]  * richardcavell has 10 hrs 39 min remaining in update manager
[06:59]  * DanaG goes off to bed.
[06:59] <DanaG> Thu Aug 13 22:59:13 PDT 2009
[06:59] <Armageddon> its Aug 14
[06:59] <Armageddon> 9AM
[06:59] <DanaG> what time zone?
[06:59] <DanaG> =þ
[07:00] <Armageddon> i think you should start work at your time and finish at mine
[07:00] <Armageddon> you can finish instantly
[07:00] <Armageddon> 11 hours later
[07:00] <Armageddon> :)
[07:00] <Armageddon> anyway im off to work
[07:02] <bjsnider> richardcavell, some people have the different splash screen, but i don't. 10 hrs?
[07:02] <bjsnider> what is this, dial-up?
[07:02] <richardcavell> bjsnider: adsl but I'm sharing with 10 people
[07:02] <bjsnider> how bad does that suck
[07:05]  * richardcavell is taking a nap while his megabytes trickle through
[07:24] <ripps> Is it possible to tweak how pulseaudio controls volume? It doesn't go low enough to use with headphones.
[07:26] <ripps> I've been watching how it controls volume in alsamixer, and I think it might work better with a few tweaks.
[08:04] <nhasian> here's a silly question: How do you restart the system via the desktop?  (not from terminal)
[08:11] <ripps> nhasian: System->Shutdown->Restart
[08:12] <nhasian> okay i'm dumb.  I was trying to do it from the top right button with my username on it.  I had to log out first in order to access the restart button
[08:12] <nhasian> thats how we used to do it before right?  I'm not going crazy?
[08:13] <ripps> fast-user-switch-applet is back? I thouht it didn't work with the new gdm.
[08:15] <nhasian> all in all a fresh install of alpha4 went pretty smooth today.  i just gotta get skype working right
[08:15] <nhasian> the audio config has changed in karmic.  i have a mic input in the front of the laptop as well as an actual mic built into the screen so how to choose?
[08:18] <nhasian> nm i found it.  i must just be too tired tonight.
[08:32] <richardcavell> Well I just updated to alpha 4
[08:32] <richardcavell> sound is still fscked
[08:34] <ripps> Man, why do file-browsers cause so much cpu+memory usage. I'm getting constant disk thrashing
[08:44] <LetoThe2nd> hi! i've changed to kk to get rid of the slow intel drivers, and so far things are great. but how can i convince my x-setup to be dualscreen, even if i don't use gnome?
[08:44] <LetoThe2nd> in gnome, i can set dualscreen and it works, but i'd like to use ratpoison, and kk ignores my old xorg.conf
[08:55] <thekorn> LetoThe2nd, have you tried xrandr? I'm not sure if it is working correctly with your intel driver
[08:57] <LetoThe2nd> thekorn: afaik, the gnome-tool does set the configuration via xrandr. so this seems to work. but how to use that in a non-gnome environment?
[08:58] <LetoThe2nd> thekorn: hm. might require some .rc script in ratpoison, i guess.
[08:59] <thekorn> LetoThe2nd, there is a nice section about in in the uu.de wiki, let me try to find it
[08:59] <thekorn> LetoThe2nd, this should work: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/RandR#Statische-Konfiguration-ohne-xorg-conf
[08:59] <LetoThe2nd> thekorn: would be great, thanks a lot.
[09:00] <LetoThe2nd> thekorn: looking it up, thanks.
[09:07] <thekorn> no problem, I hope it is of some help
[09:07] <CraigGB> hi, i just refreshed updates and i had 40 so i downloaded them however it crashed at that moment, on restarting it i check for updates again and i have none at all, i know it didn't install them so anyone got any ideas what this means?, thanks for any replies :)
[09:11] <thekorn> CraigGB, how bad did it crash? is everything running ok after the reboot? was apport able to trigger this crash?
[09:12] <thekorn> ehm, did apport ask you to file a bug after the reboot
[09:12] <thekorn> that's what I meant to aks
[09:13] <CraigGB> thekorn: it was only synaptic that crashed, sorry i should have said that, it wasn't a whole system crash and no it didn't ask me to file a bug, it only notified me that it had crashed
[09:14] <LetoThe2nd> thekorn: works, thank you.
[09:15] <thekorn> CraigGB, do you have a .crash file in /var/crash which looks relevant to this crash?
[09:17] <CraigGB> thekorn: yeah i do
[09:18] <thekorn> CraigGB, can you please file a bug with    apport-cli -f -c /var/crash/CRASH.crash
[09:21] <nperry> Has there been a bug report about firefox and sound, Seem to be having the problem if firefox is running then i'm unable to play sound via any application but once i close it i am able to.
[09:23] <thekorn> CraigGB, when you are done, please give me the bug number, but no hurry
[09:28] <nperry> bug 413465
[09:49] <rohdef> anyone know about problems with connecting when using a mobile broadband connection?
[09:50] <rohdef> the modem is a Huawei E220, beavior: I connect the modem, it starts to connect, sends pin correctly, modem diode glows like connected, but the network manager doesn't do the final steps like getting ip informations and such, looks like it just stops communicating just before the connection is created
[09:51] <rohdef> I have tried the different APNs my provider has and it has been a problem for weeks now. So I need to know if I should make a bug report or not (like if it's my settings it's wrong with)
[10:01] <diverse_izzue> if somebody has a minute, can you try to reproduce bug 411083 for me?
[10:50] <naught101> is pulse audio still the default sound server in kubuntu?
[10:50] <naught101> mine seems not to be installed...
[11:05] <rohdef> naught101, has it ever been? I think last time I did a default install (9.04) of Kubuntu it wasn't present
[11:05] <rohdef> naught101, the configs was though, but they went back to alsa when it discovered that pulse wasn't there
[11:07] <naught101> oh, ok
[11:07] <naught101> must be mistaken
[11:23] <diverse_izzue> hi. ekiga cannot open recording devices for me on karmic. can anyone confirm that?
[11:35] <richardcavell> Is anyone else here able to play youtube videos and get sound?
[11:38] <diverse_izzue> richardcavell, my ff 3.5 plays them without problems, and with sound
[11:39] <richardcavell> well they've got 2 months to fix it before relesae
[11:39] <richardcavell> release
[11:40] <scizzo-> mine plays videos and sound without problems
[11:40] <diverse_izzue> richardcavell, does sound otherwise work fine on karmic?
[11:40] <richardcavell> diverse_izzue: not really
[11:40] <richardcavell> hit and miss
[11:40] <diverse_izzue> have you tried other alsa applications such as VLC?
[11:41] <diverse_izzue> can they output sound?
[11:41] <richardcavell> no
[11:41] <richardcavell> XChat doesn't give me sound effects or else gives me garbled sound
[11:41] <diverse_izzue> in general, i won't deny that sound is still a mess :-)
[11:41] <richardcavell> wine games work perfectly
[11:41] <richardcavell> I never get the login sound
[11:41] <diverse_izzue> because sound is muted when you login?
[11:41] <richardcavell> I don't think sound is ever muted
[11:42] <richardcavell> I just typed play Music/Alarm.wav into Terminal
[11:42] <richardcavell> it purports to be playing but I don't hear anything
[11:42] <diverse_izzue> check the channels using alsamixer
[11:43] <richardcavell> In Sound Preferences under the Output tab it says "Null Output"
[11:43] <richardcavell> is that normal?  That doesn't sound good
[11:43] <diverse_izzue> doesn't sound good.
[11:43] <richardcavell> in alsamixer all channels are on and turned up
[11:44] <diverse_izzue> does it say "null output" right after boot as well? i had that once after pulseaudio crashed, but not usually
[11:44] <richardcavell> Well, I can change my hardware selection
[11:45] <richardcavell> If I change the Profile to Digital Stereo Duplex (IEC958), then I get something different in output
[11:45] <richardcavell> Internal Audio Digital Stereo (IEC958)
[11:45] <richardcavell> but it's still silent
[11:45] <diverse_izzue> richardcavell, can't help you sorry, try #pulseaudio maybe, or just report a bug against karmic
[11:46] <scizzo-> hold on
[11:46] <scizzo-> diverse_izzue: are you using pulseaudio?
[11:46] <diverse_izzue> scizzo-, yes, it's a fresh default install of karmic
[11:47] <scizzo-> diverse_izzue: ok because I had the same problem with sound and not being able to connect...
[11:47] <scizzo-> diverse_izzue: if you go into the pulsemanager what happens when you try to connect?
[11:47] <diverse_izzue> scizzo-, i'm not the one having problems here :-) ask richardcavell
[11:47] <scizzo-> diverse_izzue: I got a "Failed to connect: Connection refused"
[11:47] <scizzo-> aa
[11:47] <scizzo-> oops
[11:47] <scizzo-> richardcavell: what I told diverse_izzue
[11:48] <richardcavell> um, how do I go into the pulse manager
[11:48] <scizzo-> richardcavell: you have the applet in the taskbar?
[11:49] <richardcavell> I have a speaker icon
[11:49] <scizzo-> richardcavell: hmmm so you can play music in rhythmbox and so on?
[11:49] <richardcavell> I don't use rhythmbox.
[11:49] <richardcavell> But I typed play Music/Alarm.wav just now
[11:49] <richardcavell> it's running and I'm hearing nothign
[11:50] <richardcavell> Alarm.wav is the MIB theme
[11:50] <richardcavell> In Sound Preferences, under Applications a slider comes up
[11:50] <richardcavell> so it seems to acknowledge that it's trying to play
[11:50] <richardcavell> but I'm hearing nothing
[11:52] <scizzo-> you should try other applications also to see if they show the video and so on but no sound also check with music playing application if they play the song but no sound
[11:52] <richardcavell> well like I said
[11:52] <scizzo-> also check the pulseaudio manager that is usually there or the mixer to see if it is indicating the soundcard and so on
[11:52] <richardcavell> Counter-Strike under wine gives me sound.  XChat does not.  Login sound does not.
[11:52] <richardcavell> how do I get to pulseaudio manager?
[11:53] <scizzo-> richardcavell: right so it is pulseaudio
[11:53] <scizzo-> richardcavell: Applications->Sound and Video->Pulseaudio Device chooser
[11:53] <richardcavell> ?
[11:53] <richardcavell> I don't have it
[11:54] <richardcavell> I just looked it up in Synaptic
[11:54] <richardcavell> Should I install this?
[11:55] <scizzo-> look the reason I wanted you to check is to see if pulseaudio can access the card
[11:55] <scizzo-> or that pulseaudio is running
[11:55] <richardcavell> Okay I'm installing it now
[11:55] <scizzo-> pulseaudio is replacing esd I think it was as sound server on ubuntu if I am not mistaken
[11:56] <diverse_izzue> it used to, but not for a few releases now
[11:56] <richardcavell> Okay I'm playing my .wav
[11:57] <richardcavell> and in pulse audio manager I can see the bar going to the right, indicating that it's playing
[11:57] <richardcavell> but I don't hear anything
[11:58] <scizzo-> richardcavell: what does server information give you?
[11:58] <richardcavell> scizzo-: lots of stuff
[11:58] <scizzo-> richardcavell: in pulseaudio manager does it give you server name and so on?
[11:59] <richardcavell> http://imagebin.ca/view/9bPQgzLP.html
[12:00] <scizzo-> hmmm then I don't know
[12:00] <richardcavell> I guess I'll just log my fiftieth bug
[12:01] <scizzo-> I had the problem with no sound since that manager showed me everything in N/A and so no contact with pulseaudio
[12:01] <scizzo-> that was what I thought you had
[12:01] <virtuald> pulseaudio[5489]: source-output.c: Assertion 'PA_SOURCE_OUTPUT_IS_LINKED(o->thread_info.state)' failed at pulsecore/source-output.c:504, function pa_source_output_process_rewind(). Aborting
[12:02] <virtuald> i love how pulseaudio just fails
[12:02] <oldude67> i vetoed it on my computer...:D
[12:02] <richardcavell> oldude67: well the damn thing used to work
[12:03] <oldude67> it never did with my intel ich5 sound card...
[12:03] <oldude67> nothing but static even when i wasnt listening to anything.
[12:04] <richardcavell> well here comes yet another Launchpad bug
[12:04] <Twigaathy> richardcavell: pulse is probably outputting to the wrong place :/
[12:04] <Twigaathy> e.g. digital out rather than your headphones port / line out
[12:04] <richardcavell> actually that's a good idea
[12:05] <richardcavell> I'll plug in earphones
[12:05] <richardcavell> nup, nothing
[12:05] <Twigaathy> and I agree 100% that pulse is buggy and reeeeeally should have been in development for another few years before being forced upon us poor users :)
[12:06] <virtuald> if at all
[12:06] <Twigaathy> uhhuh
[12:07] <virtuald> how make gnome apps use specific alsa devices?
[12:08] <RAOF> Generally one doesn't.
[12:10] <virtuald> i know that, do i have to use jedi mind tricks?
[12:11] <richardcavell> bug 413533
[12:17] <RAOF> virtuald: Most gnome apps will be using gstreamer; most of those will use the user's "default sink" settings; for that, gstreamer-properties can set the default sink
[12:18] <virtuald> thank you
[12:18] <Twigaathy> richardcavell: re: that bug.... what audio driver is wine using? Have you tried doing 'alsamixer -c 0' and seeing if there are any weird switches you can toggle to make things work?
[12:18] <virtuald> i didn't know about that
[12:20] <richardcavell> Twigaathy: I've looked all the way through alsamixer
[12:20] <Twigaathy> doh :(
[12:20] <richardcavell> wine is using ALSA driver
[12:21] <Twigaathy> if you do 'mplayer -ao pulse someWAV.wav' do you get sound? ditto -ao alsa?
[12:25] <richardcavell> mplayer's not installed.  Can I just use 'play'?
[12:30] <Twigaathy> richardcavell: I've no idea! Depends if you can set the sound output :)
[12:32] <richardcavell> Twigaathy: well, wine's using ALSA and presumably everything else is using pulse
[12:33] <Twigaathy> indeed
[12:33] <Twigaathy> pulsefail
[12:41] <richardcavell> Twigaathy: I installed mplayer and ran -ao pulse and -ao alsa.  In both cases the file appears to play and my volume meters flicker up and down. But I don't hear anything
[12:42] <Twigaathy> ick :/
[13:06] <richardcavell> Twigaathy: I fixed my sound with help from #pulseaudio
[13:06] <Twigaathy> ooo, what was wrong?
[13:06] <richardcavell> turns out Steam.exe was hogging my sound hardware in spite of being minimised to the tray
[13:06] <Twigaathy> doh >_<
[13:07] <Twigaathy> iirc you an make alsa go via pulse, but it's not pretty and doesn't really work too well with wine at all...
[13:07] <richardcavell> I have ALSA driver checked on winecfg
[13:07] <richardcavell> I don't know what else I'm supposed to do
[13:07]  * Twigaathy doesn't think there's an easy solution
[13:08] <Twigaathy> Mostly because there's no pulse driver for wine yet
[13:08] <richardcavell> ok I'm off to #winehq
[13:08] <nevcairiel> I have pulse as the default plugin in alsa, so alsa sends audio through pulse, and pulse back to the sound card, that seemed to work fine for me
[13:08] <Twigaathy> http://blog.paulbetts.org/index.php/2007/05/27/make-wine-and-pulseaudio-get-along/ <--- richardcavell you could try this!
[13:11] <richardcavell> Twigaathy: God that sounds awful
[13:12] <xcdfgkjhgcv> richardcavell: Please don't use the lord's name in vein. It's blasphemous and insulting towards my religion.
[13:12] <richardcavell> ok
[13:16] <richardcavell> Twigaathy: I'm giving up on this tonight.
[13:17] <richardcavell> Before I go insane.
[13:20] <Twigaathy> richardcavell: yup, that's what I did last time I tried to get wine+audio to work :.
[13:20] <richardcavell> Using the +1 release makes you realize how good you had it when it just worked
[13:20] <Twigaathy> ;/
[13:20] <Twigaathy> well, it is an alpha!
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:47] <xcdfgkjhgcv> BluesKaj: Greetings.
[13:49] <binarymutant> I can't get libnotify to work in karmic :/
[13:49] <BluesKaj> just found a grub2 bug after an update ...the timeout is set to "0" . which is ok for those without other OS partitions
[13:50] <BluesKaj> by default
[13:51] <BluesKaj> whoever decided the default should be "0" secs , should reconsider
[13:51] <binarymutant> libnotify-Message: Error getting spec version, does anyone know what this means?
[13:55] <cdE|Woozy> BluesKaj: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-August/000599.html
[13:56] <cdE|Woozy> the new boot experience plan is to let you choose the os you want to boot while ubuntu is starting up, I believe
[13:57] <Ian_> question: does fglrx work yet?
[13:57] <Ian_> it's such a hassle to try it
[13:58] <binarymutant> Ian_, nope
[13:59] <cdE|Woozy> BluesKaj: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/KarmicBootExperienceDesignSpec
[14:08] <BluesKaj> cdE|Woozy,   i'm reporting about grub2  bug , to make ppl aware that the grub menu will be passed over if the timeout is set to "0" .. a tutorial on grub2 isn't necessary right now
[14:09] <loonyphoenix> Hey, does anybody else find Totem's feature "Seeking with the keyboard keys (Left and Right arrow) in Totem does not seek the same amount of time" annoying? Please help me convince Gnome developers that it's not a universally accepted feature: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591797
[14:13] <BluesKaj> cdE|Woozy, if you're interested the timeout can be reset in  /boot/grub/grub.cfg , even tho there is a warning that it's a self generated cfg file , one can still do careful effective edits to fix little bugs like the default timeout.
[14:16] <Boohbah> BluesKaj: that's not a bug, that's a feature
[14:16] <cdE|Woozy> BluesKaj, the proper way would be to edit /etc/default/grub and run update-grub afterwards :) otherwise you lose that setting at the next kernel update
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Boohbah, feature , what purpose ?
[14:18] <BluesKaj> cdE|Woozy, updateing grub resets the timeout to zero , so it has to be reset again to whatever number of seconds one wishes it to delay the default OS boot
[14:19] <cdE|Woozy> BluesKaj, that is why you should set the timeout value in /etc/default/grub rather than boot.cfg
[14:20] <cdE|Woozy> BluesKaj, update-grub generates the grub.cfg according to the values set in /etc/default/grub (amongst other files)
[14:20] <Boohbah> BluesKaj: to skip the grub menu if you choose to do so
[14:21] <BluesKaj> well, my /etc/default/grub shouldn't have changed but it obviously did , thx for the reminder
[14:22] <BluesKaj> anyway i also had to reload my grub bootimage path as well
[14:22] <BluesKaj> ok time to test
[14:23] <s0u][ight> http://pastebin.com/m7ab3cd19 gnome-keybinding-properties crashes
[14:26] <s0u][ight> can someone confirm that?
[14:27] <cdE|Woozy> s0u][ight, crashes here as well
[14:27] <cdE|Woozy> the same way yours does
[14:28] <s0u][ight> wonder if someone already has reported this on launchpad
[14:30] <cdE|Woozy> that should be bug #412732
[14:31] <BluesKaj> yup, worked fine
[14:34] <s0u][ight> is fixed already, fine
[14:36] <om26er> any1 knows where is /etc/initramfs-tools/modules in karmic
[14:38] <BluesKaj> om26er, /usr/share/initramfs-tools/modules and /usr/share/initramfs-tools/modules.d
[14:40] <om26er> how to add some moudules to the initramfs moduless without login
[14:40] <om26er> from live cd
[14:41] <s0u][ight> om26er enabled persistent changes?
[14:43] <om26er> my /boot partition is on harddrive and /root on a mmc that is not bootable but after adding some modules to intrams am able to boot
[14:45] <om26er> can any1 do me a favour by addind these modules to their initramfs and then upload initrmfs to rapidshare
[14:45] <om26er> mmc_core
[14:45] <om26er>   mmc_block
[14:45] <om26er>   sdhci
[14:45] <om26er>   sdhci-pci
[15:04] <Twigaathy> damn, this bug still kicking about? :(
[15:04] <Twigaathy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/56125
[15:08] <BluesKaj> Twigaathy, well sorta looks like a cow :)
[15:09] <Twigaathy> *grin*
[15:10] <BluesKaj> are there any others?
[15:19] <Twigaathy> what, silly bugs?
[15:19] <Twigaathy> I'm sure there's lots....somewhere...
[15:19] <BluesKaj> farm animals or easter eggs
[15:22]  * genii contemplates farm eggs and easter animals
[15:24] <BluesKaj> hey genii , wifey and I attended the Moodies concert at the Molson Amphitheatre on wed , was great ! :)
[15:25] <genii> BluesKaj: Cool :) Shoulda called me and came for a tour
[15:27] <BluesKaj> I thought of it , but we were kinda rushed and had some obligations to take care of then home for a hospital visit yestarday
[15:27] <genii> Aaah
[15:27] <BluesKaj> sick relative
[15:32] <BluesKaj> this is 2 summers in a row we're losing a loved one
[16:08] <loonyphoenix> when does a new kernel usually hit the repos?
[16:09] <loonyphoenix> or, more specifically - how long till rc6 is on my computer?
[16:11] <giovani> heh, soon?
[16:12] <giovani> it's only been a day or so
[16:21] <loonyphoenix> yeah, well... i'm impatient)
[16:21] <loonyphoenix> giovani: do you know how quick the last upgrade was
[16:21] <loonyphoenix> ?
[16:21] <loonyphoenix> There's a lot of improvement to intel graphics support in there, and i'm having some issues with graphics I want to get rid of :)
[16:22] <loonyphoenix> specifically the cursor flicker
[16:22] <loonyphoenix> is the fix in there?
[16:35] <hggdh> anyone having problems with nautilus continuously restarting>
[16:35] <hggdh> ?
[16:40] <loonyphoenix> not me
[16:40] <loonyphoenix> although it does crash on large video file thumbnailing
[16:40] <loonyphoenix> maybe you've got one on the desktop, hggdh?
[16:40] <albert23> hggdh: yes, I do
[16:42] <hggdh> I am not sure. After today's updates (about 3 hours ago) I powered off, and went to work. When I powered on again, my gnome was *very* unresponsive. Going to a TTY, I could see nautilus being continuously restarted
[16:42] <hggdh> so I gave up (impossible to do anything), and logged on KDE
[16:43] <hggdh> CPU usage was set at about 70% on both CPUs
[16:43] <ripps> hggdh: my nautilus has been slow and unresponsive since I upgraded to Karmic. So I switched my default filebrowser in Gnome to Thunar. It still sucks up a good deal of cpu, but at least it doesn't constantly freeze and thrash my disk.
[16:43] <albert23> I saw nautilus popping up in the bottom panel many times
[16:43] <albert23> and there is a segfault
[16:43] <hggdh> albert23, was gnome windows operations also slow?
[16:44] <albert23> hggdh: everything was slow
[16:44] <albert23> until I did a few times killall nautilus
[16:45] <hggdh> I could not even do it. I would kill one, and another was already popping up
[16:45] <hggdh> hum
[16:45] <hggdh> time to look at LP
[16:45] <albert23> hggdh: I reported a bug with a full stacjtrace
[16:52] <hggdh> what bug #?
[16:55] <albert23> hggdh: bug 413660, but it is still private
[16:57] <mac_v> albert23: you can change the bug to public
[16:58] <albert23> mac_v: I prefer to wait for the retracer so the coredump is removed...
[16:59] <mac_v> albert23:  ah... ;)
[17:01] <hggdh> albert23, I agree
[17:02] <hggdh> albert23, I have access to it -- I am a member of bug-control
[17:04] <hggdh> (as long as apport is done, which is now).
[17:04] <hggdh> albert23, I do not see anything private in the stacktraces
[17:04] <albert23> hggdh: me neither, it's normally only the coredump I don't trust
[17:05] <hggdh> you should also distrust the stacktraces. Depending on the programme, and where it was at the point of failure, private data may be exposed
[17:05] <hggdh> can I set it public?
[17:06] <ripps> Can someone knowledgble in Pulseaudio help me get this where it needs to go to get fixed?  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/410948
[17:06] <albert23> public now
[17:07] <hggdh> k. I will compare it with my crash. Were you using brasero?
[17:07] <albert23> no, I couldn't start doing anything before it happened
[17:08] <hggdh> interesting -- the stacktop is pretty much brasero's
[17:19] <albert23> hmm, already getting a dupe
[17:25] <hggdh> and my stacktrace matches yours. Now removing brasero, and let's see what happens.
[17:29] <albert23> any idea where g_volume_get_identifier comes from?
[17:31] <hggdh> no
[17:34] <hggdh> issue seems to be in librasero
[17:34] <hggdh> removing it gets me a working nautilus (but also lost rythmbox)
[17:35] <hggdh> not that I need it, don't think I ever even opened rythmbox
[17:41] <hggdh> albert23, I confirmed it
[17:41] <albert23> do you know how I can get BRASERO_MEDIA_LOG to print something?
[17:45] <albert23> weird, locally I cannot start brasero, but via ssh it works
[18:07] <arand> So... is pre-fail statuses in palimpsest any cause for panic and depression?
[18:08] <hggdh> albert23, I do not use brasero at all
[18:12] <mac_v> arand: Bug #412152
[18:12] <DanaG> every time I boot, I get this message: [    0.332873] pci 0000:01:00.0: BAR 6: no parent found for of device [0xfffe0000-0xffffffff]
[18:18] <arand> mac_v: hmm, yea, I gone running the manufac.s testing tools now and I'll see what it says. Hope it's just palimpsests that's a bit over-reactive.
[18:20] <mac_v> arand: i'm havin same prob , i'm not aware how to run the manufac.s testing tools , any links about that?
[18:26] <arand> mac_v: oh, "manufacturer's", I got a hitachi drive and hitachi supplies a livecd for testing.
[18:26] <mac_v> oh.. ok
[18:27] <arand> manu...mani... /me need dictionary
[19:11] <JohnFlux> do kubuntu developers come in here as well?
[19:11] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[19:11] <JohnFlux> or is this an ubuntu only thing?
[19:11] <Pici> JohnFlux: This channel is for Karmic Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[19:11] <eagles0513875> hey pici
[19:11]  * Pici waves
[19:12] <eagles0513875> Pici: what version of vbox will be included with karmic
[19:12] <Pici> eagles0513875: I remember seeing something about the latest version getting included, but I don't have anything to back that up with
[19:12] <eagles0513875> gotcha im j/w
[19:12] <eagles0513875> i have the latest version on mac and its come a ways
[19:13] <eagles0513875> i ahve the guest additions installed and running it in seemless mode which is really nice here on mac
[19:28] <nasser> hello humans :)
[19:29] <mylogic> howdy
[19:29] <eagles0513875> hey hey
[19:29] <DanaG> weird, that disconnect, was my system randomly going to sleep.
[19:30] <DanaG> As if I'd pressed the sleep button, or been idle on battery for 15 minutes.
[19:31] <nasser> I installed 9.10 alpha 3 on my machine and it didn't mount the USB drives, I wonder if there are any improvements about that in alpha 4 ?
[19:39] <lattura> hi, can anybody help me: my laptop does not connect to a wireless network
[19:40] <lattura> even though I've configured the WEP key
[19:59] <eagles0513875> hey Pici seems like 3.0.2 is still in karmic repo
[20:03] <benoitc> hi
[20:04] <benoitc> is fglrx supposed to work on amd64 with latest karmic up  ?
[20:04] <benoitc> actually I get a black screen
[20:06] <DanaG> hmm, there's a PPA with newer fglrx.
[20:07] <DanaG> "dinxter"
[20:07] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/394985
[20:07] <benoitc> oh ok
[20:07] <benoitc> thanks
[20:15] <m_tadeu> hi
[20:16] <m_tadeu> I'm a little stuck here with a package called doc-base...I can't remove it, can't finish installing it....can't do anything with it
[20:17] <m_tadeu> problem is I can't do anything else with apt
[20:17] <m_tadeu> because I get the doc-base problem right at the begining
[20:17] <m_tadeu> what should I do about it?
[20:23] <Kamilion> Howdy, having problems with 9.10-server Alpha 4  installation -- I can't find the driver to install on a Supermicro X8DTH-6F motherboard with LSI MPT2 SAS controller. Anyone have any guidance for me?
[20:29] <bjsnider> m_tadeu, try apt-get -f install
[20:30] <m_tadeu> bjsnider: failed too
[20:30] <bjsnider> what specifically is it saying?
[20:31] <m_tadeu> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute installed post-installation script: Exec format error
[20:31] <m_tadeu> dpkg: error processing doc-base (--configure):
[20:31] <m_tadeu>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[20:32] <bjsnider> exec format error
[20:34] <bjsnider> m_tadeu, run dpkg --configure -a
[20:37] <m_tadeu> it worked....it worked :) I must have tried all the commands that I know...
[20:37] <m_tadeu> thanks a lot
[20:38] <bjsnider> cool
[21:15] <J-_> "Aug 14 16:12 : output: Failed to open "My MPD PulseAudio Output" [pulse]: Cannot connect to PulseAudio server: Connection refused
[21:15] <J-_> "
[21:16] <J-_> What do I need to do to make pulseaudio work in Karmic?
[21:31] <dotblank> installing alpha 4 now XD
[21:33] <J-_> Alpha 4 wasn't too much of an update in Karmic. :) Only like 42mb or so package upgrades
[21:33] <dotblank> lol.. it had to upgrade 2,00 packages for me
[21:33] <dotblank> 2,000
[21:34] <dotblank> -.- My system will be so horribly broken at the end of this
[21:34] <J-_> :|
[21:34] <dotblank> it took 20 mins to download everything at 2mb/sec
[21:34] <J-_> Have you install the interwebs? :|
[21:35] <J-_> Anyway, yeah. That does seem like a lot. hehe
[21:35] <dotblank> whats the program that counts how many newline chars are present?
[21:35] <J-_> I would have probably had a massive package upgrade if I still had gnome.
[21:35] <J-_> Don't know.
[21:35] <danbhfive> dotblank: wc?
[21:35] <dotblank> danbhfive, thx
[21:36] <J-_> Anyone know how to get MPD working with pulse? I'm getting "connection refused" in logs.
[21:36] <TheFuzzball> I'm having problems with kio_smb in Kubuntu 9.10
[21:37] <dotblank> J-_, no dont belive I ahve tried.. is there a mpd module for pulse?
[21:37] <TheFuzzball> When I try to access a samba share in Dolphin or Konqueror I get an internal error message
[21:37] <dotblank> blargh.. firefox just updated and is spewing nonsense
[21:38] <J-_> uhm. I think I just need to add a user to pulseaudio or something. Don't think there's a module, no. It was working before, but it stopped working for some reason. Going back to look at a tutorial I always used to use.
[21:38] <bjsnider> dotblank, you mean you're on foxnews's website?
[21:40] <dotblank> J-_, someone should make a mpd clinet sink or something.. that would be really cool
[21:41] <dotblank> bjsnider, nah... I dont read fox news..
[21:41] <J-_> Actually, when I removed gnome, it looks like pulseaudio was removed.
[21:41] <dotblank> in fact I dont think Ive been to aol.com or yahoo in months
[21:42] <dotblank> w00t my firefox fixed itself
[21:42] <J-_> Alright, installed pulseaudio. MPD is working.
[21:43] <dotblank> If only this 9.10 will recognize my digital out on pulseaudio
[21:43] <J-_> Wooo!
[21:43]  * J-_ dances
[21:43] <dotblank> ah crap
[21:44] <dotblank> I dont think I have a customized cups config
[21:44] <dotblank> replace or keep?
[21:44] <bjsnider> replace
[21:45] <dotblank> ok I sacrificed 512mb sdram to the computer gods.. im just about to boot into 9.10
[21:48] <dschulz> hi all
[21:49] <dotblank> hi
[21:49] <dschulz> how long does it take for a package to hit the repo since it is accepted..?
[21:50] <dotblank> I think it would depend on the maintainer
[21:50] <dschulz> i'm anxiously waiting for the 2.6.31-6 kernel
[21:51] <dotblank> What! 135 packages are obsolete now..
[21:51] <dschulz> :S
[21:52] <loonyphoenix> on your computer or generally in ubuntu repositories?
[21:52] <dotblank> computer
[21:52] <loonyphoenix> lucky guy
[21:52] <dotblank> how..
[21:52] <loonyphoenix> 0 packages
[21:52] <loonyphoenix> and i want some
[21:52] <loonyphoenix> )
[21:52] <dotblank> It could break thinsg
[21:52] <loonyphoenix> it could fix things
[21:52] <loonyphoenix> change is good)
[21:53] <dotblank> look what pulse audio did
[21:53]  * dotblank likes pulse alot but transition sucks
[21:53] <dschulz> i'm downloading kde-workspace-wallpapers (47mb) for the 2nd time today
[21:53] <loonyphoenix> yeah, well, for pulseaudio there's only improvement now
[21:54]  * loonyphoenix is waiting quite impatiently for rc6
[21:54] <dotblank> right now im trying to get my virtual liba52 5.1 device to work in pulse and has been nothing but slowness and crashes
[21:54]  * loonyphoenix swears he did sudo apt-get update 10 times in the last hour
[21:54] <dschulz> is it really necesary to repackage *wallpapers* two times in a row ?
[21:54] <dotblank> ok
[21:54] <dotblank> im rebooting in 5 secs
[21:54] <dotblank> wish me luck
[21:54] <loonyphoenix> good luck)
[21:55] <dschulz> good luck :)
[21:57] <Kamilion> Any ideas how I can get the "mpt2sas" kernel module on Alpha 4?
[21:57] <dschulz> loonyphoenyx: what problems you have with rc5 ?
[21:57]  * loonyphoenix is using wine as music player
[21:58] <loonyphoenix> dschulz: cursor flickers
[21:58] <loonyphoenix> intel video
[21:58] <loonyphoenix> heard it was supposed to be fixed upstream in kernel
[21:58] <dschulz> curious.. intel video works well here
[21:58] <loonyphoenix> it works fine for me too except for a few glitches
[21:59] <DanaG> hmm, liba52 plugin... nifty.
[21:59] <dschulz> did you noticed problems with inotify system call ?
[21:59] <dotblank> well
[21:59] <dotblank> its ok
[21:59] <dotblank> better then I thought
[21:59] <DanaG> hmm, liba52 plugin... nifty.
[21:59] <DanaG> oh yeah, you have pavucontrol, and all that?
[21:59] <DanaG> I don't have any digital audio devices, myself.
[21:59] <DanaG> Oh, and it sucks that the libasound2-plugins package lacks liba52!
[21:59] <dotblank> DanaG, yea
[22:00] <Kamilion> Okay, I have a big dual xeon server here that wants kernel module 'mpt2sas' -- How can I build this module for the Alpha 4 Server install disk?
[22:00] <dotblank> ok volume-control-applet died 2
[22:00] <dotblank> nvidia drivers failed
[22:00] <DanaG> oh, and liba52 doesn't acknowledge hdmi as digital / iec958.  :(
[22:00] <dotblank> 185.19pkg2 from nvidia cant rebuild the module
[22:00] <DanaG> or rather, ALSA doesn't let iec958 alias apply to hdmi.
[22:00] <dotblank> DanaG, um thats an easy fix
[22:01] <sageNsand> I been using Alpha 3 for a couple of weeks now. If I continue to do the updates will I be upgraded to Alpha 4 or do I need to dnload it
[22:01] <dotblank> DanaG, pcm.!iec958 pcm.hdmi
[22:01] <Kamilion> Rephrasing the question: What is nessicary to build 'usb/floppy loadable' modules for the Alpha 4 server disk's installer to load?
[22:01] <loonyphoenix> sageNsand: no need to download unless you want the default configuration again
[22:01] <DanaG> I mean to do dolby digital encoding.
[22:01] <DanaG> My hdmi is hw:1,3
[22:02] <DanaG> so a52:1 fails.
[22:02] <sageNsand> thanks loony
[22:02] <DanaG> and there's no a52:1,3 -- it doesn't support a second parameter.
[22:02] <loonyphoenix> sageNsand: you're welcome
[22:02] <sageNsand> Im over by ASU West
[22:03] <dotblank> DanaG, why not card 1, device 3
[22:03] <DanaG> Pulseaudio won't use that automatically.
[22:03] <dotblank> its not hard to add a load-module -alsa-module-sink
[22:03] <DanaG> pcm.a52 {
[22:03] <DanaG>     @args [ CARD ]   ...
[22:04] <DanaG> oh yeah, and I don't have an hdmi device to plug into that port, anyway.  =þ
[22:04] <dotblank> that might have something to do with it
[22:04] <dotblank> ok so pulse hates me right now
[22:05] <loonyphoenix> My pulse hasn't crashed for several hours already
[22:05] <loonyphoenix> That's a record
[22:07] <dotblank> well thats great pulse runs but whenever anything actually tries to control it goes nuts
[22:08] <dotblank> thats so wierd it even plays but all volume controls just died
[22:09] <dotblank> hmm it seg faults
[22:10] <dotblank> it seems to crash after this
[22:10] <dotblank> lstat("/usr/share/icons/gnome/22x22/devices/audio-card.png", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1250, ...}) = 0
[22:12] <DanaG> hmm, did you update pavucontrol and all that?
[22:12] <DanaG> oh, and there's an ubuntu-audio-dev ppa.
[22:12] <dotblank> DanaG, yea just uninstalled it and everything
[22:12] <dotblank> alsa the audio control applet crashes
[22:13] <DanaG> odd.. my pavucontrol works fine.
[22:14] <bjsnider> those are two different things
[22:14] <bjsnider> pavucontrol in not an applet
[22:15] <dotblank> both crash
[22:15] <dotblank> trying the suggest ppa and it found updates (from the ppa)
[22:17] <dotblank> ok im going to try to compile it from source
[22:23] <dotblank> w00t I fixed
[22:23] <dotblank> compiling from source did the trick
[22:23] <dotblank> omg this new version is win
[22:23] <DanaG> new version of whichwhat?
[22:24] <dotblank> pavucontrol
[22:24] <bjsnider> pqavucontrol is destined for the scrapheap
[22:25] <suit> Is there some command line-fu to be done to get all the updates that make alpha 4 alpha 4? I installed when it was still Alpha 3. Or is aptitude update&&dist-upgrade enough?
[22:25] <dotblank> scrapheap
[22:25] <dotblank> ?
[22:25] <bjsnider> i guess it will survive karmic, but that's it
[22:26] <dotblank> why does it say vulme control deprecated
[22:26] <dotblank> its way awesome.. it allows me to easily move sound sources and control every stream
[22:26] <DanaG> hmm, then how the heck will I move different apps to different devices?
[22:26] <bjsnider> they want an applet controlling volume, not an app
[22:26] <dotblank> ah
[22:27] <dotblank> can we have both?
[22:27] <DanaG> I need to be able to move the app 'extace' to monitor offboard sound card, for example... despite onboard being default output.
[22:27] <bjsnider> gnome-volume-control isn't ready for prime time yet
[22:27] <DanaG> Damn straight.
[22:27] <DanaG> =þ
[22:27] <bjsnider> the applet needs to do everything, and currently it is still being worked on
[22:27] <dotblank> lets see if i can crash pulse :)
[22:27] <bjsnider> but pavucontrol is not a longterm substitute
[22:29] <dotblank> ok it passed test 1 playing over spdif
[22:29] <dotblank> now the hard part surround with a 6channel flac to be realtime encoded sent over spdif in ac3
[22:30] <DanaG> hmm, oh yeah, how do I get a surround-encoded WAV to not have wrong channel order?  If it's right for Linux, it's wrong for Windows.
[22:30] <bjsnider> dotblank, why, oh why would you want to do that?
[22:31] <bjsnider> oh, you said a 6-channel flac
[22:31] <dotblank> my reciever only supports ac3 and dts no analog 6 channel in
[22:31] <bjsnider> there is no such thing, is there?
[22:31] <bjsnider> flac is 2-channel
[22:31] <dotblank> nope
[22:31] <dotblank> I can send you one
[22:31] <bjsnider> flac isn't 2-channel?
[22:32] <bjsnider> i must have misread the spec
[22:32] <dotblank> I ahve the beatles in 96khz 6 channel flac
[22:32] <dotblank> 24bit
[22:32] <dotblank> :(
[22:32] <dotblank> I hope iot works
[22:32] <bjsnider> i think you have a dts audio file, not a flac
[22:32] <dotblank> nope
[22:32] <dotblank> I can send you it
[22:32] <dotblank> and marvel at its awesome
[22:32] <bjsnider> sure you can
[22:32] <bjsnider> upload it somewhere
[22:33] <deviant> anyone here have good video editing skills
[22:33] <dotblank> You tried to send 48.3 MB, but the owner of this site has set the limit to 30 MB.
[22:33] <dotblank> grr
[22:34]  * DanaG wishes somebody would make a damned expresscard non-creative sound card.
[22:34] <dotblank> thats the smallest file I could find
[22:35] <deviant> i guest not
[22:35] <dotblank> ok im uploading Gnik Nus
[22:37] <skazi21101> can somebody help me with sound. when i plug headpgones i don`t hear anything. and there is no switch to headphones in mixer
[22:37] <skazi21101> how can it be fixed&
[22:37] <myk_robinson> hello. Can any of you advise as to whether USB transfer speed has been fixed/stabilized in Karmic?
[22:38] <J-_> Be careful with sound in gnome in Karmic. You'll either ruin your ears, headphones, or speakers. At least I could have wit hthe chipset I have
[22:40] <skazi21101> J-_: what can i do? there was three switches in 9.04? in 9.10 its nothing
[22:41] <skazi21101> J-_: may be there is the way to make it work?
[22:41] <dotblank> for you all doubting flac
[22:41] <dotblank> http://imgur.com/OUbgn.png
[22:42] <skazi21101> dotblank: can you show configuration page&
[22:42] <J-_> skazi21101: Well, it looks like either they're trying to get rid of PCM since the rework of the audio mixer. I'd turn up the volume on master, and the volume would go outragiously high. The program volume went high that. There's no PCM volume slider. So what I did was ... got rid of gnome, installed kubuntu-desktop, and PCM seems to be working great. No real problems.
[22:42] <J-_> skazi21101: Other than that, I don't know how to fix it and it still looks like their still working on it.
[22:43] <J-_> they're*
[22:43] <dotblank> skazi21101, its nothing special
[22:43] <dotblank> skazi21101, just says it will output on digital but it doesnt it lies to me
[22:44]  * J-_ was a Gnome user for 4 years, but since that problem I've switched since I can't live with audio like that as I need tunes to function proper. That and caffeine that is.
[22:44] <skazi21101> dotblank: i just want to know where the switches between speakers and headphones is
[22:44] <dotblank> skazi21101, are they usb headphones?
[22:44] <J-_> skazi21101: Check out different configurations, from what I remember there were a few different devices in the applet
[22:45] <skazi21101> no
[22:45] <J-_> Depends on the chip too I guess.
[22:45] <dotblank> well i killed pulse
[22:45] <skazi21101> when i plug it. hear no sound. speakers work properly
[22:46] <J-_> !headphones
[22:46] <J-_> hrm.
[22:46] <J-_> !audio
[22:46] <skazi21101> thanks
[22:46] <J-_> those factoids might not work though.
[22:46] <J-_> Be sure to proceed with caution. :)
[22:46] <dotblank> http://imgur.com/xSwqa.png
[22:46] <J-_> It's an alpha release, something is bound to mess up.
[22:47] <dotblank> like its wierd it looks like it would work
[22:49] <maxernoult> Hi everybody !
[22:50] <maxernoult>  Do you know how to connect to a remote session (XDMCP) from the login screen in karmic ? It was available with a scroll menu on Jaunty :(
[22:51] <DanaG> !info gamix
[22:53] <skazi21101> gamix? i`ll try
[22:54] <loonyphoenix> got an odd nautilus behaviour
[22:54] <loonyphoenix> spawned a lot of taskbar elements
[22:54] <loonyphoenix> i had to sudo mv /usr/bin/nautilus /usr/bin/nautilus-backup
[22:55] <loonyphoenix> because it wouldn't be killed
[22:55] <loonyphoenix> any ideas?
[22:56] <skazi21101> nothing in my head because its 2 am in moscow
[22:57] <loonyphoenix> haha it's 1 o'clock in Odessa. privet!
[22:57] <loonyphoenix> bug 413660
[22:58] <skazi21101> i have the same problem? but with gedit in sudo mode
[22:59] <loonyphoenix> not sure it's the same problem then...
[22:59] <loonyphoenix> the above bug I found in a mention of nautilus in this chat's log
[22:59] <loonyphoenix> has something to do with brasero
[22:59] <gjl> i'm trying to boot the ubuntu 9.10 alpha 4 live cd but I keep ending up at a terminal login prompt
[23:00] <gjl> is that supposed to happen?
[23:00] <loonyphoenix> doubt it
[23:00] <skazi21101> gjl: what you mean&
[23:01] <gjl> basically X doesn't load
[23:01] <gjl> the loading bar reaches the end
[23:01] <gjl> and all that appears is a full screen terminal
[23:02] <loonyphoenix> try safe mode
[23:02] <loonyphoenix> or whatever it's called
[23:02] <lamalex> why isn't empathy using the messaging applet? I thought a bunch of work was done on that
[23:04] <BUGabundo> hey guys
[23:05] <bjsnider> gjl, what kind o' graphics card do you have?
[23:05] <bjsnider> i'll bet it's an ATI card
[23:05] <arand> BUGabundo: hullo
[23:05] <BUGabundo> hey bjsnider arand
[23:06] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, what's goin' down?
[23:06] <skazi21101> DanaG: thanks.
[23:06] <skazi21101> DanaG: phones work properly:-D
[23:07] <DanaG> Cool.  Yeah, the removal of the ALSA control sucks.
[23:07] <DanaG> It hasn't been replaced with a real equivalent.
[23:07] <DanaG> Or rather, the replacement is not functionally equivalent.
[23:08] <oddy> Whats the official situation with the new theme for ubuntu+1?
[23:08] <tretle> Whats the status of the gdm theme which has been proposed for karmic here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo
[23:08] <BUGabundo> nothing new so far oddy
[23:08] <tretle> ?
[23:08] <tretle> Is there any actual work done beyond mockups
[23:09] <oddy> BUGabundo: :( Ah well. No worries.
[23:10] <DanaG> Black? bleh, that's gloomy.
[23:10] <DanaG> It could use at least a slight brown or orange tint -- but only a minor tint.
[23:10] <lamalex> it is brown
[23:10] <DanaG> Like, somewhere between the two versions, in terms of color.
[23:11] <gjl> well, i burned the disk again
[23:11] <gjl> no luck
[23:11] <gjl> i've verified the md5 checksum of the iso
[23:11] <oddy> I dunno, DanaG, I'm tired of the brown/orange thing. I've made my Jaunty laptop all blue and I like it more. Thats why I was excited when Shuttleworth said maybe a new colour for Karmic.
[23:12] <gjl> does anyone know what the user account for the live cd is?
[23:12] <gjl> bjsnider, i've got an nvidia 9300 built into the motherboard
[23:12] <oddy> ubuntu and ubuntu isn't it?
[23:13] <DanaG> here's what I have as my wallpaper: http://kuro.hanyuu.net/image/84241cdec7b7113991184aad9636ffdc/Konachan.com%20-%203983%20clamp%20sakura%20syaoran%20tsubasa_reservoir_chronicle%20vector.jpg
[23:14] <bjsnider> gjl, x is probably picking the wrong driver, either nv or nouveau. it will definitelyw ork with the nvidia driver though
[23:14] <tretle> Hmmmm... is there any launchpad entry attached to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo
[23:18] <gjl> so i need to edit xorg.conf before i can boot the livecd?
[23:20] <DanaG> ugh, wtf... something keeps changing the volume in quodlibet, AND on my BT headset, to 6%!
[23:21] <ikonia> DanaG: please try to control your language, we know what "wtf" means and don't need to see it
[23:21]  * DanaG takes "it" to mean "what it means" -- "don't need to see what it means".
[23:21] <DanaG> =þ
[23:21] <DanaG> I say, that's a bit overreactive.
[23:21] <ikonia> it's a polite request
[23:22] <DanaG> What should I say instead?  what the heck?  what the <what word goes here>?
[23:22] <DanaG> =þ
[23:22] <DanaG> And bonus points if you can abbreviate it.
[23:22] <ikonia> using something that doesn't involve swear words
[23:22] <BUGabundo> hey ikonia
[23:22] <BUGabundo> welcome back
[23:22] <ikonia> hello there
[23:23] <DanaG> hmm, how about "wth"?  nobody will know what it means.
[23:23] <DanaG> =þ
[23:23] <ikonia> DanaG: please stop trying to "test" the language filter, just be polite
[23:23] <DanaG> Nothing else gets the point across so clearly and concisely.
[23:24] <BUGabundo> DanaG: sure it does! just say
[23:24] <BUGabundo> oh my blue bals
[23:24] <DanaG> Too many letters.  =þ
[23:24] <BUGabundo> MBB
[23:24] <ikonia> gents - please
[23:25] <ikonia> I'm not messing around, I've asked for this politley, please just try to follow #ubuntus language policy
[23:25] <bjsnider> there was a guy in here yesterday cursing up a storm
[23:25] <BUGabundo> ikonia: I was just kidding with DanaG.I'll get back to my hole now :)
[23:25] <bjsnider> nobody did anything about it
[23:25] <ikonia> no no, it's fine
[23:25] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: next time call the OPs
[23:26] <bjsnider> somebody did
[23:26] <DanaG> well, I guess my sentence would've worked without the acronym at all.  =þ
[23:26] <bjsnider> none of them showed
[23:26] <DanaG> Just
[23:26] <ikonia> bjsnider: it is sometimes missed, please use the !ops call if it's bad
[23:26] <ikonia> bjsnider: people sometimes are away, but we try to be around
[23:26] <DanaG> ugh, <word redacted>... something keeps changing the volume in quodlibet, AND on my BT headset, to 6%!
[23:26] <tretle> how about "what the fudge"?
[23:26] <tretle> :)
[23:26] <BUGabundo> guys stop it
[23:26] <BUGabundo> its not even funny _anymore_
[23:26] <DanaG> STill takes too long to type... might as well just leave it out.
[23:27] <BUGabundo> lets make DanaG have his own #irc channel or blog where he can vent
[23:27] <ikonia> guys, I'm trying to be ploite about this - PLEASE just respect the language policy
[23:27] <ikonia> polite even
[23:27] <DanaG> just "ugh" is good enough -- okay for me.
[23:27] <ikonia> thank you
[23:27] <BUGabundo> DanaG: come on. stop it
[23:29] <DanaG> Random question: where can I get one of those ARM netbooks that were planned-for last year, but seem not to have appeared at all?
[23:29] <ikonia> DanaG: please check the /topic of this channel
[23:29] <ikonia> +1 is in a poor state tonight
[23:30] <bjsnider> DanaG, your bluetooth headset works in linux?
[23:30] <DanaG> Yeah, thanks to PulseAudio.
[23:30] <DanaG> At least the new gnome-bluetooth thingy helps a lot.
[23:31] <DanaG> speaking of PA... the daemon just died.
[23:31] <DanaG> Thanks, pavucontrol!
[23:31] <BUGabundo> I rather we got blueman
[23:31] <DanaG> yeah, blueman is far better.
[23:32] <BUGabundo> but its broken now
[23:32] <DanaG> ERROR:bluetooth-client.c:1614:service_to_index: code should not be reached
[23:32] <DanaG> Aborted (core dumped)
[23:32] <DanaG> Yay.
[23:32] <DanaG> Actually, there's a PPA for blueman, that I think still works.
[23:32] <bjsnider> "code should not be reached". that's helpful
[23:32] <DanaG> Happened when I hit "disconnect" in the menu for my headset.
[23:34] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: like those easter egg: "if you are seing this, the world is over"
[23:35] <BUGabundo> or "the user should NEVER see this error"
[23:35] <tretle> I love pulse audio, was kinda sad to see the pa applet go in 9.04 and happy to see it back in 9.10 as is makes using mic's on through usb(webcam's) much easier
[23:36] <tretle> couldnt figure out how to get it working with the previous applet
[23:36] <DanaG> Most literal easter egg I've ever seen in a game:
[23:37] <dotblank> hmm brasero doesnt seem to support video projects in karmic
[23:37]  * DanaG is digging around for a link.
[23:44] <DanaG> dang, can't find it.  nevermind.
[23:56] <DanaG> argh, PA crashed... and it won't let me report the bug, because it's a PPA version.