[00:00] hmm [00:00] you can try having a look at the xorg log file in the guest [00:00] /var/log/Xorg.0.log [00:00] don't you just press install guest addition in the vbox software, and look aound in the cd in the virtual os? [00:00] hummm [00:00] who updated topic?? [00:00] avihayb, right, that's the other option [00:01] I did that at first avihayb, but it gave , me an error in the terminal [00:01] starwind, it is possible that the guest additions are not ready yet for karmic [00:01] when jaunty was in developtment it was the same [00:02] ah, shame :( [00:02] does the X log reveal anything? [00:03] lol...it's blank? @_@ [00:03] i swear I can't do anything right.. [00:04] what is blank? your Xorg.0.log is empty? [00:04] yeah [00:05] maybe I did it wrong [00:05] I ran sudo gedit /var/log/xorg.0.log from terminal [00:05] capital X! [00:06] told you.. [00:06] hwh [00:06] heh [00:06] now it pulled [00:06] what am I looking for exactly that may be of help to you? [00:07] cause im blind [00:07] search for WW or EE [00:09] I have a few lines that read 'not using built in mode /resolution/ no mode of this name' [00:10] does it mention at some point that it's using the vbox driver? try searching for box [00:14] no can't find anything [00:14] :( [00:14] then it's maybe using the vesa driver? [00:14] yeah it mentioned the vesa driver [00:15] all right, then for some reason it can't find the x driver [00:15] sorry, i don't know what's going wrong. maybe try the virtualbox forums [00:15] that's ok, thanks for trying I appreciate it [00:16] no prob [00:16] i'm off, good night === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [00:38] is there a way to find out which repo was used for a particular package? === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [00:42] apt-cache policy [00:42] it's not very useful for PPAs, but that's why the recommended policy is to use the PPA name in the version string [00:43] crimsun: let me clarify, for all packages [00:43] ala dpkg -l --show_repo [00:43] or something like that [00:43] crimsun: i don't use it for ppa's [00:44] want to know which packages come from -proposed [00:44] if you don't use it for PPAs, then just use apt-cache policy as suggested in multiple irc channels [00:44] guess i have to [00:44] bummer [00:45] "have to"? is it strenuous or something? [00:45] well, create a list of all packages, apt-cache policy them, grep for proposed, list the ones from proposed [00:46] i was hoping something like you can do with stat, stat -c "%n %a %u %g" $file, but then for all installed packages [00:48] or you could pin to the non-proposed, e.g., jaunty, and attempt to downgrade [00:48] i.e., use apt pinning to get a list of the packages that would be downgraded/warned === BUGabundo1 is now known as BUGabundo [00:53] ahh, see what you mean [00:53] the ones that need downgrading will be from proposed [00:55] howdy all [00:55] anyone here having problems with xchat today? [00:56] !poll [00:56] Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots. [00:56] no [00:57] sorry i had to do that === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [01:00] i like triggering those things, like bug 405943 [01:00] Launchpad bug 405943 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "[regression] rapid pointer movements with touchpad ignored" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/405943 [01:03] Will Banshee replace Rhythmbox as the default music player? [01:03] probably next cycle... I think? [01:04] it was set to go if Banshee was ready by feature freeze [01:04] but it isn't [01:05] Why? Is Banshee superior in some way? [01:05] xcdfgkjhgcv: it has a more active upstream development [01:06] the rhythmbox maintainer announced that he probably won't work on it much past bug fixing [01:06] jacob: And that's the only reason? [01:06] a mono app is not going to become a default gnome app [01:06] bjsnider: you sure about that? [01:06] Because it's already perfect? [01:07] bjsnider: I take it you haven't seen Tomboy or F-Spot, both of which are Mono applications, are included with GNOME, and are on the default Ubuntu installation [01:07] for what it's worth, Rhythmbox is not a GNOME module either. [01:08] xcdfgkjhgcv: there were other reasons; I'd have to find the notes on it [01:08] jacob: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Upstream/Banshee#Banshee%20by%20Default%20Work [01:09] I prefer the interface of Banshee to RB, but I'll agree that it needs some work. Missing crossfade and Last.fm is currently broken. :-! [01:09] jacob, if core gnome apps don't need gtk, then i guess a qt app could make it in too [01:09] xcdfgkjhgcv: that's the page [01:09] bjsnider: ..what? [01:09] xcdfgkjhgcv: banshee is a better media player but untill all bugs are fixed it's not going to replace rhythmbox [01:09] F-Spot, Banshee, and Tomboy are all GTK+ apps [01:10] xcdfgkjhgcv: as feature freeze is in 13 days I'd say banshee won't make it this time [01:10] bjsnider: The GTK bindings for Mono are no different than GTK bindings for Python or C++ [01:10] xcdfgkjhgcv: banshee has a better media player support, better user interface.. [01:10] I can't get DAAP music sharing to work with Rhythmbox. :( [01:11] xcdfgkjhgcv: Banshee can't share over DAAP to begin with, heh [01:11] bjsnider: rhythmbox isn't a gnome application so we can change it [01:11] well, we could do it anyway.. [01:11] which makes me wonder why it isn't on that list... [01:11] anyone know how to check that acpi is functioning properly? I think that on alpha3, my fan was failing to speed up appropriately... [01:14] jacob: current git head is broken, or 1.5.0 in ~banshee-unstable-team's PPA is broken, or ...? [01:15] crimsun: last.fm you mean? broken in 1.5.0 iirc (probably earlier as well) [01:15] haven't checked git [01:15] if you download gnome directly from the source tarballs, what is included? [01:15] jacob: I think you are supposed to maybe run Tangerine to share your library over DAAP. It imports the library from Banshee. [01:15] bug 397674 is on last.fm I believe [01:15] Launchpad bug 397674 in banshee "banshee can no longer play last.fm streams" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397674 [01:16] hmm [01:16] baffle: yes, though it would be nice to have as a Banshee plugin. the version of tangerine packaged in the archives doesn't work with banshee 1.5.0+ either; don't know about the later releases from this week [01:17] crimsun: hiding behind other nick so people won't bug you about audio? it won't work, you can't hide from us ;) [01:17] bjsnider: you want the default modules list? [01:17] kklimonda: you need to rebuild w/ the latest changes [01:18] kklimonda: see also the ~ubuntu-audio-dev PPA [01:18] jacob: I think it just got a new maintainer, and he is just getting his feet wet afaik. [01:18] crimsun: should I upgrade all packages that I can using this ppa and build newer kernel from your audio-fixes branch? [01:18] baffle: that's what I thought, but I haven't tried the release at all. right now I've been using mt-daapd. [01:18] jacob: I'm using mt-daapd as well. It seems to work "ok". [01:18] jacob, i thought gnome included a default app to do any task, but i must be wrong [01:19] kklimonda: yes, and yes. you should only get an updated udev and pulseaudio, anyhow. [01:19] (well, udev- and pulseaudio-related) [01:19] kklimonda: i hope you're using ccache for those kernel builds... [01:19] bjsnider: "to do any task"? not sure I understand [01:20] baffle: yeah, I have to restart it manually after a system reboot or it won't advertise its shares. [01:20] crimsun: sure - I've learned that ccache is a must when I work with packages and other big piles of code :) [01:20] jacob, in other words, a text editor, an audio player, a movie player, a file manager, a picture viewer et al. [01:20] jacob: But if I understand correctly, things like covers are not collected/shared by mt-daapd (not sure if that even is supported?). Is that part of the UPnP protocol, and not DAAP? [01:21] jacob: Actually, mt-daapd doesn't always start at all. Sometimes it doesn't announce shares (actually, that seems to happen randomly, I might have to restart my clients a few times) but it also seems to just segfault at start; Have to try 1-3 times to get it to run. [01:22] bjsnider: I'm not sure to be honest. they include anything that meets their standards and probably doesn't duplicate other features [01:22] i'm saying i doubt you'll see gnome's tarballs include mono apps [01:22] baffle: I didn't think DAAP sent covers, but I could be wrong. are you using the version from karmic or jaunty? [01:22] bjsnider: but they *do*! :) [01:23] I like Rhythmbox and dislike Banshee. [01:23] since a few releases back [01:23] but then the target system would need to have mono on it [01:23] xcdfgkjhgcv: fair enough. :P [01:23] bjsnider: yes, Mono is an external dependency [01:23] Am I stupid for liking Rhythmbox's GUI? [01:24] xcdfgkjhgcv: no, I like it too. I like Banshee's better, but RB's isn't bad. [01:24] jacob: Of what? [01:24] jacob: mt-daap? [01:24] jacob: I like Rhythmbox's better [01:24] jacob: Jaunty. [01:24] Banshee has one killer feature for me: equalizer. [01:24] crimsun: ok, building right now - I'm going to test it tomorrow as I'm too tired right now to play with kernel.. last time I've done it I had to use LiveCD to fix my mistake :) [01:25] baffle: yeah, I'm using the karmic version. looks like there have been packaging modifications [01:25] crimsun: also mplayer isn't really working with pulseaudio when I have -ao alsa.. [01:25] kklimonda, wha? [01:25] mplayer works fine with alsa [01:25] crimsun: after few pause/play cycles I get weird PA errors. I'll try to get them now [01:25] jacob: Packaging modifications? Not following here. [01:25] jacob: Does Rhythmbox have an equaliser? [01:25] kklimonda: make sure you're using the ~ubuntu-audio-dev PPA [01:25] i push changes (fixes) there much faster than to the repo [01:25] xcdfgkjhgcv: you can actually make banshee look like rhythmbox by selecting View > Browser on Top [01:26] kklimonda, you're using an external DAC? [01:26] xcdfgkjhgcv: not officially. there are some hackish plugins, but none of them I've found work very well. [01:26] jacob: I wish you told me that before I just uninstalled it. [01:26] jacob: I'm using the banshee-unstable-team PPA tho'. :) [01:26] bjsnider: no - the simplest integrated laptop card ;) [01:26] baffle: debian changes. probably things to do with the init scripts [01:26] xcdfgkjhgcv: lol ^_^ [01:27] jacob: I'll give it another test. [01:27] xcdfgkjhgcv: try it out for a day. mess with the preferences, plugins, etc, and see if you like it. [01:27] kklimonda, not sure why use alsa if you're not going to do passthrough [01:27] jacob: Sure. [01:27] folder watch is missing though, but is supposed to be available soon I hear [01:27] jacob: I remember I used it years ago on OpenSuse 10.1 [01:28] xcdfgkjhgcv: it has certainly evolved a lot from that [01:28] bjsnider: crimsun has said that using alsa ao (and not pulse) in mplayer is the right way. [01:28] dev version (1.5.0 or git) has a Rhythmbox importer as well [01:29] jacob: and what about gio support? [01:29] jacob: I can't make a third viewing pane for genre. [01:30] jacob: So it's not the same as my Rhythmbox. [01:30] while we're talking about audio.. anyone notice a problem with flash audio lag? video sites (youtube, dailymotion, etc) are fine, just interactive applets are off by a second or so. say it's adobe's fault and call it a day? :P [01:30] i doubt it's adobe's fault [01:30] xcdfgkjhgcv: I think there's a setting to show it [01:30] adobe never does anything wrong [01:30] bjsnider: lol [01:31] kklimonda: gio in banshee? don't know. [01:31] bjsnider: Flash is shit. [01:31] jacob: But it is really irritating that there is no DLNA/UPnP plugin in banshee; I think someone started work ages ago.. [01:31] baffle: yeah, I agree there. [01:32] is there one in rhythmbox? [01:32] bjsnider: yep, as well as a DAAP share host [01:32] jacob: I can't find the setting [01:32] xcdfgkjhgcv: neither can I... could have sworn it was there [01:32] Although I am using the version included in Jaunty. [01:33] bjsnider: Yeah, there is DLNA support in Rythmbox; But my DLNA server (I'm trying coherence here) doesn't show up.. :-/ [01:33] jacob: I like my four pane music browsing. [01:33] baffle: installed python-coherence, right? [01:34] xcdfgkjhgcv: hehe, you don't _have_ to like it. just suggesting to give it a try. :) [01:34] they all look the saem. rhythmbox, listen, banshee [01:34] exaile [01:34] jacob: But I can't browse my genre!!! [01:34] that's not worth 3 exclamation points [01:35] bjsnider: It is to me. [01:35] jacob: Actually, it seems my coherence is br0ken. The mediaserver doesn't start. [01:35] xcdfgkjhgcv: okay, apparently genre isn't there just yet. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=538005 [01:35] Gnome bug 538005 in User Interface "Add "Genre" to library browser" [Enhancement,Assigned] [01:35] xcdfgkjhgcv, alright, i'll trade you one for a question mark [01:35] and one for an ellipsis [01:35] jacob: It's unable to create its SQLite DB; Either a bug in coherence or a wrong library. [01:36] ubottu yells gnome bugs now? tricky tricky [01:36] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [01:36] ubottu lies [01:36] Mostly just statistics and mc44, but yeah. [01:36] Hello, I have a problem after installing GRUB2 [01:36] I can no longer boot into my other partition [01:36] The issue is explained in detail here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/413345 [01:36] I would appreciate any help available :) [01:36] Launchpad bug 413345 in grub "After installing Ubuntu 9.10 and GRUB2, I can no longer boot into my other partition" [Undecided,New] [01:36] baffle: weird. never had a problem with that [01:36] jacob: I think it should be added to the requirements before including as default in Ubuntu as it'd be a feature regression to some. [01:37] xcdfgkjhgcv: pretty sure it will be there. judging by that bug it should be in 1.6, which should be out well before feature freeze for karmic+1. (but not karmic.) [01:38] jacob: I'm still searching for a music player which supports multiple genres. [01:38] jacob: Without being shit in lots of other ways. [01:38] xcdfgkjhgcv: there are a bunch out there.. exaile, amarok, listen, quod libet [01:39] Since when did Amarok implement it? [01:39] Quod Libet is shit in a few ways. [01:39] xcdfgkjhgcv: i have no idea if they have. just shooting out random app names. [01:40] jacob: Wich version are you running? [01:40] It'd be brilliant if Rhythmbox had the feature. [01:40] xcdfgkjhgcv, what about "listen"? [01:40] baffle: of rhythmbox? 0.12.3, but I haven't used it in quite some time [01:41] listen was the perfect music player except it was missing one feature... but I don't remember what it was. [01:41] think it was play queues or something. [01:42] jacob: No, sorry, of python-coherence. [01:42] bjsnider: It has support for multiple genres per track? [01:43] i don't know [01:43] baffle: haven't used it in karmic, sorry. [01:44] baffle: you might be able to find information on it in the coherence package changelog, though: http://is.gd/2fRVE [01:49] Rhythmbox is currently my preferred music player for my 10,000 track collection. [01:50] xcdfgkjhgcv: hey, no one is forcing you to change. just the default install next release might. :) [01:50] that is: might change, not force you to change [01:51] jacob: If Banshee is included in 10.04 LTS, without feature regressions, I will happily switch. [01:51] xcdfgkjhgcv: as far as I understand, Banshee will be included when it is feature-par with RB. [01:52] jacob: not exactly [01:52] jacob: there may be some small regressions [01:52] kklimonda: I hope not. [01:52] It must be equal or greater in every way. [01:52] if it's perfectly bug-free i'll use it [01:52] jacob: like in empathy case - it's not a full replacement for pidgin and ekiga [01:53] kklimonda: understandable, nobody needs a visualizer anyway :D [01:53] kklimonda: good point [01:53] jacob: Good point. [01:53] I HATE Empathy. [01:53] Empathy doesn't have all my Pidgin plugins. [01:54] xcdfgkjhgcv: heh. I like it for getting out of my way. [01:54] and not being stupid about how it stores passwords.. [01:54] i prefer empathy [01:54] xcdfgkjhgcv: and most people don't use any plugins. [01:54] jacob: Elaborate. [01:54] kklimonda: Bullshit. [01:54] xcdfgkjhgcv: about the passwords part or the "getting out of my way" part? [01:54] I love my autospellingfix, IRC, album save, Facebook chat, etc [01:55] jacob: Both. [01:56] xcdfgkjhgcv: most of this isn't evident until karmic, but empathy has a lot of desktop integration features. you can share lots of things with contacts: location, display, and soon even your banshee library [01:56] that's mostly the telepathy framework I understand, though. [01:57] I also found it much easier to set up than pidgin, personally. [01:57] as for the passwords, take a look at ~/.purple/accounts.xml. hello, passwords! [01:57] jacob: Mine is encrypted. [01:57] :0 [01:57] :) [01:58] empathy/telepathy stores them in the gnome keyring, which is not in plain text (I believe it is encrypted by your login passphrase.) [01:58] xcdfgkjhgcv: possible, I guess. I haven't been using pidgin since April [01:58] or May, more likely. [01:59] empathy also has a more response upstream in the same manner banshee does. [01:59] responsive* [02:00] jacob: I meant that my ~/ is encrypted. [02:00] xcdfgkjhgcv: ah. well that's a different story, hah [02:00] doesn't stop a stray shell script from taking a peek at your passwords though. [02:01] jacob: So where does Empathy store the passwords? [02:02] xcdfgkjhgcv: the gnome keyring. I don't remember the file location, but see applications > passwords & encryption keys. [02:03] jacob: Doesn't that require you to enter a passphrase, though? [02:03] xcdfgkjhgcv: it's unlocked by your login passphrase when you sign in [02:03] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring has a lot more info on it [02:06] are you guys able to do dvd playback with a fresh install of Karmic Alpha 4? [02:06] Why is the Remote Desktop Viewer so abysmally slow? [02:07] nhasian: with unencrypted dvds yes. gstreamer has menu support now. [02:07] xcdfgkjhgcv, probably because xdamage is off [02:07] * jacob tried it with an on-ride dvd of cedar point :P [02:08] anyway, the keyrings should be under ~/.gnome2 somewhere [02:08] what about a regular store bought movie dvd? i couldnt get either totem or vlc to play it [02:08] hggdh: ah, yep. ~/.gnome2/keyrings/login.keyring [02:08] nhasian: you probably need libdvdcss [02:09] jacob, yes indeed, and all other keyrings you may create [02:09] jacob, yeah i installed that [02:11] interesting. Just accessed my user-encrypted ~./Private under root. And root reads it all [02:12] * hggdh wonders about that... [02:12] hggdh: shouldnt' root be able to? [02:12] hggdh: probably because it's mounted. unmount it and try again [02:12] histo, no, to my understanding, *any other* user should not be able to [02:13] jacob, yes, I believe this would work. But, still this is an *user*-encrypted fs [02:13] hggdh: if you sign out and try to login as root (ie, recovery mode) you won't be able to without the mount passphrase. [02:14] hggdh: that is, if you're using ecryptfs [02:14] when your ~/Private directory is mounted, the only thing preventing access is unix access controls. [02:14] jacob, that's good. Yes, I am running ecryptfs. But I, frankly, expected the fs to be mounted un-encrypted just for the user [02:15] which is, obviously now, a mis-undertanding from my part. Still... [02:16] hggdh: in the event that someone gets ahold of your system, it will do the right thing. don't worry about it ;) [02:16] hggdh: I encountered the same confusion. [02:16] jacob: I bloody well hope so. [02:16] I've got lots of private images on my laptop. [02:16] >.< [02:17] TMI? [02:17] Don't be childish. [02:17] :-) [02:18] Still. I would like ecryptfs to limit access to the user holding the credentials, not any user. This would be better. [02:19] * hggdh considers it is really time to dive into the ecrytfs design decisions [02:19] hggdh: change the permissions on your private directory. there's nothing that can prevent root from looking while it's mounted [02:20] save jailing root with apparmor or something. [02:20] jacob: What if someone gets control of my root? [02:20] jacob, this is exactly the point. If it is user-mounted, it should be user-restricted [02:21] your private directory, by default, actually has rwx------ permissions set, so it's really fine. [02:21] xcdfgkjhgcv: while your system is running? I'd certainly hope not... [02:21] jacob: What if they steal my laptop and turn it on? [02:22] xcdfgkjhgcv, it will still be encrypted, and unaccessible [02:22] xcdfgkjhgcv: they can't decrypt anything without the mound passphrase, which is in turn encrypted by your login passphrase [02:22] there's nothing root can do in that situation. [02:22] s/mound/mount/ [02:22] So the security of my data hinges entirely on the security of my login password? [02:22] in a way, yes. [02:23] a possible problem is if your laptop is stolen while still powered on (and your id locked) [02:23] then an attack is easy [02:23] So using a weak password such as "Iluvdolphins" would make it really easy for people to get at my data? [02:23] your actual encryption passphrase is in ~/.ecryptfs (different before karmic) [02:23] hggdh: Why? [02:23] xcdfgkjhgcv, using easy passwords makes it really easy on an attack [02:24] ~/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase to be specific. _that's_ encrypted by your login password [02:24] hggdh: Why is a possible problem is if your laptop is stolen while still powered on (and your id locked)? [02:24] xcdfgkjhgcv, there are known attacks on powered-on machines. A bit of work, but I guess by now is would be already scripted [02:24] btw, why don't I have a folder called privet? I installed 8.10 and all...? [02:25] hggdh: RAM attacks? [02:25] yes [02:25] avihayb: IIRC this isn't until 9.04. any you have to have ecryptfs-setup-private installed. [02:25] hggdh: I know of them. [02:25] jacob: Where is it in Jaunty? [02:25] the alternate 8.10 disk gave me that option [02:26] xcdfgkjhgcv: /var/lib/ecryptfs, I think. [02:26] http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/08/moving-your-encrypted-home-meta-data.html by the way. [02:27] jacob: And it's the encrypted form of my passphrase? [02:27] xcdfgkjhgcv: yep. your passphrase was generated when you set up encryption. [02:29] jacob: So if they crack my login password, they can use it to decrypt my wrapped-passphrase and get the key needed to mount my directory and steal my data? [02:29] xcdfgkjhgcv: yep. [02:29] jacob: But they can also crack the hash and get the key without messing with the login password. [02:30] that's a good reason why you shouldn't use your logon password anywhere online. [02:30] xcdfgkjhgcv: bleh, not very easily. it's near impossible to tell if you have the right passphrase. [02:30] jacob: So I need a strong login password and a strong mount password for good security. [02:31] xcdfgkjhgcv, you certainly should seriously consider a strong login passphrase [02:31] xcdfgkjhgcv: your mount password is likely already strong. 32 characters I think. [02:31] and, as jacob pointed out, not use it anywhere else [02:31] be careful changing your login password though. [02:31] err. [02:32] jacob: Why? [02:32] cuz your ecryptfs passphrase is encrypted with your login passphrase [02:32] xcdfgkjhgcv: if you change your login password, you'll need to re-wrap / re-encrypt that wrapped passphrase [02:33] hggdh: So by finding out my login passphrase, the attacker can easily decrypt my cryptfs passphrase? [02:34] well, by finding your login passphrase all one needs to do is login :-) [02:34] ^ [02:34] hggdh: I was just thinking that. [02:34] So I MUST have a good login passphrase. [02:35] anyway. I probably should get some work done, heh. [02:35] if you store sensitive data (as I do, customer data & personal), yes [02:35] So "iluvdolphins" isn't particularly strong? [02:35] could be better [02:35] hggdh: I store sensitive jpegs. [02:35] And some AVIs. [02:35] xcdfgkjhgcv: http://goodpassword.com/ click generate password. that's a good password. [02:36] here's the visualizer I use: extace. [02:36] Crashes with libfftw from karmic, though. [02:36] I had to downgrade the package. [02:36] hggdh: 17u\/D0lPH1n5? [02:36] better [02:36] not so much, since leet talk is known [02:37] but it has the makings: special characters, upper/lower mix, digits [02:41] yeow, this is not nice: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/fulldisclosure/2009-08/0174.html [02:45] * arand thinks a fully working triple boot w. jaunty is working too well, time to go karmic. [02:49] nice that google caught it [02:50] think anyone could help me out with a display problem with karmic? [02:50] no one in this whole room [02:50] j/k [02:50] haha [02:50] pisses me off i cant get 1900 x 1200 or whatever [02:51] are you using a dvi to vga adapter? [02:51] vga [02:51] andresmujica: Bug# 412807 updated with the info you requested [02:51] you may need to just insert the modeline into Xorg.conf [02:52] I hate saying that too. [02:52] i cant even find xorg.conf [02:52] /etc/X11/xorg.conf [02:52] not there in the alpha [02:52] mine is [02:52] im alpha [02:53] werid [02:53] i really dont have one.. [02:53] there isn't much there but you can create a stanza [02:53] there is no file there? [02:54] see my pm, thats what i have [02:54] ls -la /etc/X11 [02:55] you will need to switch into a vt, run sudo Xorg -configure, that will dump your Xorg.conf into /root - rename to xorg.conf and mv to your /etc/X11 directory [02:56] vt? [02:56] virtual terminal = ctrl + alt + F1 [02:56] F7 to return [02:56] you will also need to kill X when you get to the VT [02:57] grrr... [02:57] run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop [02:57] will that kill this session? [02:57] yes [02:57] yes :) [02:57] you might want to try a console irc client [02:57] or use another computer to irc [02:57] or both [02:57]