[01:48] <MDC1> awalton, thanks for the eel tip, seems to be working just fine :) now of to bed
[01:49] <awalton_laptop> MDC1, yw.
[08:23] <huats> morning everyone
[09:22] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:23] <hyperair> morning.
[09:23]  * hyperair stares at the clock
[09:24] <hyperair> actually, evening.
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> hi hyperair
[09:24] <hyperair> hi chrisccoulson =)
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> its still morning here (hopefully, else i shouldn't be at work otherwise) ;)
[09:25] <hyperair> haha
[09:33] <seb128> hello chrisccoulson
[09:33] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> only 1 day left for you now ;)
[09:34] <seb128> one 1 work day before vac yes
[09:34] <seb128> not only one day left ;-)
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> yeah, only one day left would be quite bad actually;)
[09:37] <seb128> chrisccoulson, good job on the g-s-d bug
[09:37] <seb128> that confirms what the warning were suggesting
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - no problem. i'll try and look at some more of those crashes over the weekend
[09:38] <chrisccoulson> it probably should be reassigned to libxklavier really, but i'll let upstream decide if they can fix it in g-s-d first
[11:00] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - i'll take the g-s-d 2.27.90 update if you like ;)
[11:00] <seb128> chrisccoulson, will you manage to do it today?
[11:00] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I would like to get it uploaded before my holidays
[11:01] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - what time will you finish today?
[11:01] <seb128> not sure, but I will probably do a round of uploads after dinner tonight
[11:01] <chrisccoulson> that should be ok then. i finish work here about 2pm, and then i'll get a chance to do it this afternoon if you like
[11:02] <chrisccoulson> hopefully before your dinner;)
[11:02] <seb128> ok, let's do that
[11:02] <chrisccoulson> cool
[11:02] <seb128> there is no hurry in any case, I might do some sponsoring during free slots this weekend too
[11:02] <chrisccoulson> heh, you should have a proper rest really;)
[11:02] <seb128> but I will try to not be working much during my vac
[11:03] <seb128> yeah
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> yeah, definately not
[11:03] <seb128> I will probably not be on IRC or read bugs
[11:03] <chrisccoulson> i switch off from work as soon as i leave the door of the office. i don't give it a thought all weekend ;)
[11:03] <seb128> but I might read private emails and look at pending updates every now and then next week
[11:03] <seb128> ie while pitti is still not back
[11:03] <seb128> the week after that I will be away
[11:04] <chrisccoulson> yeah. it's gonne be quiet here next week
[11:20] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - is the plan to ship both versions of policykit on the CD currently?
[11:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I don't think it's a plan rather a sideeffect of not having everything ported
[11:21] <chrisccoulson> gconf-editor has a patch upstream, it seems. so that would be one more down
[11:21] <seb128> why?
[11:21] <chrisccoulson> i just wondered
[11:21] <seb128> would be nice to get
[11:22] <chrisccoulson> there's still quite a few things depending on it - eg, gnome-system-tools and system-tools-backends is probably one we'd have to port ourselves, as it doesn't get much attention upstream and fedora don't even use these
[11:27] <james_w> chrisccoulson: yeah, it's pretty much only us and Debian carrying those
[11:27] <james_w> there was someone started cleaning up the bugs upstream recently though
[11:28] <chrisccoulson> james_w - yeah, g-s-t got a little bit of attention recently. but it's pretty much deprecated now, so i don't think anyone outside of ubuntu is going to put the effort in to port to the new polkit-1 api
[11:29] <james_w> I agree
[11:29] <chrisccoulson> i think we'll have to do that ourselves :-/
[11:33] <james_w> have you looked at what porting typically requires?
[11:42] <diverse_izzue> who is the sound guy here? i was wondering why the pulse backend of libcanberra is not installed by default, and not even in main?
[11:48] <gcleric> diverse_izzue: your question might be best answered by the audio team. https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio
[12:01] <seb128> diverse_izzue, didn't you ask some days ago?
[12:01] <seb128> diverse_izzue, does it create any visible issue?
[12:01] <seb128> diverse_izzue, any to reply it's an oversight and is going to be fixed for karmic
[12:15] <garymc>  Hi peeps, everytime i click on my launchers when logged in as a particular user, it loads opens it in text editor and not firefox. I want it to open in firefox? When i right click it there is no option to open with other program. When i goto /var/www/ and right click on insert.php it says open with firefox. So i pressume thats all correct. Now when I log in with another user it all works fine??? whats happening here and how
[12:15] <garymc>  can i fix it
[14:33] <pedro_> MacSlow, hello, have you seen bug 344385 ? it missed the milestone for jaunty and it's still an issue, can reproduce it everytime i connect to the wireless AP
[14:35] <MacSlow> pedro_, that's an icon-theme (or packaging if you will) issue and not related to notify-osd itself
[14:41] <davmor2> Guys I noticed something funky with gwibber.  I'm not sure though if it is actually gwibber or the notification applet that it causing it is there a way to find out?  this is what happen if I minimise gwibber for a bit http://www.davmor2.co.uk/gwibber.png
[15:08] <dobey> davmor2: you mean empathy? i don't see gwibber in that screenshot
[15:10] <davmor2> dobey: no the long list of name on the right come from gwibber being the only app in the notification applet
[15:10] <davmor2> but only when gwibber is minimised into it
[15:12] <davmor2> dobey: right at the very bottom of the 260+ names is the name gwibber microbloggin client or something similar
[15:12] <dobey> huh, that doesn't seem right
[15:13] <davmor2> dobey: I don't know any of the names either, which makes me believe that it must be the public tab on gwibber that is causing it
[15:15] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - just doing the g-s-d update now, so you should have it this afternoon
[15:15] <chrisccoulson> not much has changed actually - most of the changes are already in our version ;)
[15:16] <dobey> davmor2: i guess it's flooding with public notices
[15:18] <davmor2> dobey: and that brings me back to is it a bug in the notification applet or gwibber or the integration of the one in the other
[15:19] <dobey> sounds like a bug in whatever code in gwibber is sending that stuff to the indicator applet
[15:19] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - just going through some of the patches we currently carry - 11_sleepkey.patch changes the sleep command to "gdm-signal -s". do we need this? (gdm-signal isn't installed anyway)
[15:24] <MDC1> will karmic + 1 use package kit instead of updatemanager + synaptic + add remove apps?
[15:26] <mac_v> MDC1: Appcenter
[15:27] <MDC1> mac_v, got any link about it?
[15:27] <MDC1> mac_v, is that something new or will it be based on package kit?
[15:28] <mac_v> MDC1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppCenter , will be in Karmic  , but fully replace all in Karmic+1 , it uses policy kit
[15:28] <mpt> mac_v, in your bug response template, could you change "Unfortunately a paper cut" to "However, a paper cut"?
[15:28] <MDC1> mac_v, ok thanks
[15:28] <mac_v> mpt: hehe... that was not my template , ;)
[15:29] <mpt> mac_v, I know :-)
[15:29] <mpt> I don't know where it's written down, but if it's on a wiki somewhere, then greta
[15:29] <mpt> great, even
[15:29] <mac_v> MDC1: mpt is working on on appcenter , you an ask him any doubts
[15:29] <mpt> (My apologies to any Gretas in the audience)
[15:29] <mpt> MDC1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppCenter
[15:30] <MDC1> reading now :-) seems like a good thing
[15:31] <mac_v> mpt: i dont think it is in the wiki, the initial one was given to me by the team , then i just kept adding more lines [Dont worry though..., for more info...]
[15:31] <mac_v> mpt:  should i add it to the wiki?
[15:32] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I guess not
[15:33] <davmor2> dobey: thanks
[15:33] <rodrigo_> seb128: you uploaded the tomboy package with my patch, right?
[15:33] <seb128> rodrigo_, yes
[15:33] <seb128> rodrigo_, do you have upstream bug reference?
[15:33] <rodrigo_> seb128: cool, thanks!
[15:33] <seb128> or a mailing list topic?
[15:33] <mpt> mac_v, that's probably a good idea (don't know where it would go, though)
[15:34] <rodrigo_> seb128: no, only been talking with tomboy developers on irc
[15:34] <seb128> ok
[15:37] <MDC1> mpt, what I've always wanted is the ability to click a link in the browser (like apt:// ) but it should also add the repository. Couldn't find anything about that in the wiki - will that feature be available?
[15:37] <mac_v> mpt: here? >  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses   , the template i use> http://paste.ubuntu.com/253184/ < any changes or should i add it?
[15:38] <mpt> mac_v, that looks like a good place
[15:38] <mac_v> MDC1: any idea you come up with add them to the comments page
[15:38] <MDC1> mac_v, will do
[15:38] <mpt> mac_v, "I'm afraid" could become "So" (you're not really afraid;-), but otherwise that looks good
[15:39] <mpt> MDC1, not for 1.0. We need to figure out a way of calculating and conveying trust for repositories.
[15:41] <mac_v> mpt: actually i *am* ;) ,sometimes people are so angry that their idea was invalidated,i got a couple of mails sent personally to me ! but that wasnt my wording either ,
[15:41] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - thanks. i will remove that patch then. there is no key designated for sleep by default anyway, as that is handled elsewhere
[15:41] <MDC1> mpt, i understand - good to here you're thinking about it :)
[15:47] <mac_v> seb128: hi... would  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses be the right place for a papercut response template  , or ?
[15:50] <awe> asac: you around today?  thought you were doing a swap day?
[17:05] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - g-s-d update is done now
[17:05] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[17:39] <hggdh> bug 413660 may be an issue right now
[18:02] <asac> awe: yeah just in quickly. did you work on the LOCAL_BRANCH stuff yet? otherwise dont do it as i did the same code for other branches now ;)
[18:02] <asac> and can just copy it over
[18:03] <asac> let me know ... out again
[18:07] <awe> asac: no, haven't touched the LOCAL_BRANCH stuff.  I have updated to the latest git snapshots & was going to push my bzr branches and maybe dput to the trunk PPA
[18:07] <awe> asac: also removed dbus-event files as discussed
[18:07] <awe> asac: right now debugging why managed/unmanaged is broken
[18:10] <chrisccoulson> hggdh - thanks
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - do you want to upload a fix for bug 413660 before you finish for the day?
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> it looks trivial for me to fix and it might create quite a few duplicates ;)
[21:22] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128 - did you have a nice dinner?
[21:22] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hello, yes
[21:23] <seb128> but I'm just passing quickly
[21:23] <seb128> I've upload your g-s-d update
[21:23] <chrisccoulson> cool, thanks. i hope you enjoy your time off anyway
[21:23] <chrisccoulson> and enjoy drinking cocktails for 2 weeks ;)
[21:24] <seb128> thanks!
[21:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - this brasero crasher is fixed upstream now
[21:29] <chrisccoulson> it only seems to be triggered for people who upgraded from jaunty though, with stale CD entries in their fstab
[21:29] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if it's possible to clean those on upgrade :-/
[21:29] <seb128> could question for #ubuntu-devel I guess
[21:30] <seb128> cjwatson probably knows
[21:30] <seb128> can you ping slangasek to see if he's still wanting to do sponsoring?
[21:30] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - can do. do you think we should get the brasero change in now rather than wait for a new tarball?
[21:30] <seb128> I just have IRC to this box I was not planned to do other updates today
[21:31] <seb128> no tarball next week and most users upgrades
[21:31] <seb128> would be nice to get it fixed
[21:31] <chrisccoulson> cool. i'm just building now and then will push to bzr
[22:17] <MDC1> hmm.. can anyone running karmic confirm an issue with metacity; open a random window (not maximized) and then single click the title and then release, does your window move down 1px?
[22:22] <Ampelbein> MDC1: can't confirm with unfree nvidia driver
[22:25] <MDC1> Ampelbein, ok, maybe its virtualbox then.. thanks
[22:25] <chrisccoulson> i can't confirm that either
[22:25] <chrisccoulson> (in vmware though)
[22:26] <chrisccoulson> MDC1 - are you sure your mouse isn't broken ;)
[22:26] <MDC1> chrisccoulson, hehee..
[22:27] <MDC1> works in jaunty (real desktop)
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> it must be a bug in jaunty + a broken mouse then. that would be the obvious explanation ;)
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> lol
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> you've not tried karmic live CD on real hardware have you?
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> does it happen there too?
[22:29] <MDC1> has there been an agreement on how recent files inte filemenu should appear (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590661) - I'm thinking of patching eog as it too seems to have no icons in recent and the open with menu...
[22:29] <MDC1> chrisccoulson, no, havent tried live cd.. but i did mess with metacity yesterday so it could be that.. but i thought i reinstalled the metacity package...