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[01:28] <directhex> oh, alpha 4 released
[01:28] <directhex> how's the cd size?
[01:31] <TheMuso> directhex: If its oversized, a file should be present in the dir stating clearly that a disk is oversized.
[01:31] <directhex> TheMuso, i meant from a "did any langpacks have to take a flying leap this time round" perspective
[01:31] <TheMuso> oh
[01:31] <TheMuso> Look at the seeds. :p
[01:31] <TheMuso> Looks like it
[01:37] <crimsun> TheMuso: pulse 1:0.9.16~test4-0ubuntu5~ppa3 from our ppa is good for main upload
[01:37] <crimsun> i'll be fixing the segv and fpe bugs on the bus tomorrow and saturday
[01:38] <crimsun> (well, minus the -jack stuff)
[01:40] <TheMuso> crimsun: Just uploaded your most recent changes to the bzr repo.
[01:40] <TheMuso> and to karmic
[01:41] <crimsun> TheMuso: thanks
[01:41] <TheMuso> np
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[03:44] <eddel> Can a package in universe have a Recommends: on a package in multiverse?  In Debian, main can't Recommend non-free. Can I here?
[03:47] <lifeless> I"m not sure
[03:48] <lifeless> it should be documented in the wiki
[03:54] <eddel> I found the chapter and verse in the Debian Policy but this ain't Debian so ...   Pointers would be appreciated.
[03:56]  * ojwb would think the same logic applies - recommends is quite a strong relationship, and something which depends that strongly on something non-free isn't really free itself
[04:01] <jtimberman> eddel: there's an ubuntu policy manual too
[04:01] <jtimberman> http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/ubuntu-policy/policy.html/
[04:05] <crimsun> TheMuso: it's probably a really good idea to push 1:0.9.16~test4-0ubuntu6
[04:05] <dEdd> jtimberman: Thanks, Section 2.2.3 is equivalent to what Debian has:  pkg in universe _must not_ require a pkg outsitde main + universe. That's what I needed.
[04:06] <jtimberman> can you 'suggest' it though?
[04:09] <ojwb> presumably, though it would be better to suggest a free alternative if there is one...
[04:17] <TheMuso> crimsun: righto, will do that now.
[04:21] <crimsun> TheMuso: many thanks!
[04:21] <TheMuso> crimsun: np
[04:21] <TheMuso> uploaded
[04:45] <stoner> just out of interest do you think anyone would be interested in a command line media play that indexes your music collection
[04:45] <stoner> only i've made on
[04:45] <stoner> one *
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[06:19] <Dyno3421> in python, calling os.path.join('folder_name', image_name) keeps just returning folder_name/image_name. is this normal? I'm trying to load an image with pygame, but it's a no go since the path isn't valid
[06:19] <StevenK> Dyno3421: Yes, it's normal, but this isn't the channel for questions like that.
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[06:52] <ebroder> When I have one package that can completely replace the functionality of another, is that when I use conflicts/provides/replaces?
[06:52] <ebroder> I guess I know I want conflicts and provides, but I can never remember how replaces works
[06:53] <ScottK> ebroder: If they can be co-installed, you probably just want provides.
[06:53] <ebroder> ScottK: They can't be co-installed
[06:54] <ebroder> I'm specifically shipping config files. One is the primary and default; the other is alternate versions of the same config files
[06:58] <ScottK> ebroder: Then conflicts or use update-alternatives perhaps
[06:58] <ebroder> But should it also Replace the other package?
[07:00] <ScottK> Replaces allows it to over-write files provided by the other package.
[07:00] <ebroder> Ok. That sounds like what I want
[07:01] <dholbach> good morning
[07:22] <TheMuso> Anyone having problems with bzr branches on launchpad? Looks like I am getting connection refused...
[07:23] <TheMuso> hrm seems fine now.
[07:27] <lifeless> some rollout issue
[07:27] <lifeless> fixed now, but they will be trying again later
[07:30] <TheMuso> ah ok
[08:12] <mdke> could someone have a look at ubuntu-docs_8.10.3 and maybe let it into intrepid-proposed?
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[09:37] <cjwatson> ScottK,ebroder: FYI the "overwrite files provided by another package" meaning of Replaces does not apply in the presence of Conflicts; since two packages that conflict can't even be unpacked at the same time, it would be meaningless. The policy manual has explicit language about what Conflicts+Replaces together mean
[09:53] <seb128> jdstrand, hey
[09:53] <seb128> jdstrand, the evince apparmor profile create issues, I assigned the bug to you
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[12:03] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: Hello, please don't forget to upload irssi
[12:39] <liw> hmm, something pops up a dialog every time I log into my desktop machine, telling me I have a broken hard disk -- while I appreciate the sentiment, I'd like a way to turn that off (unless that's been fixed in the past 48 hours?)
[12:39] <amitk> liw: +1
[12:39] <liw> (I've alread dealt with the bad sectors, and have nothing on the broken hard disk I am worried about)
[12:40] <liw> hm, let's upgrade and reboot and see if it is fixed now
[12:41] <liw> (fsck... *sigh*)
[12:45] <liw> nope, still there
[12:49] <liw> hm, no obvious process that's showing the dialog -- how do I figure that out?
[12:50] <liw> er, never mind, the window title is explanatory
[12:52] <chrisccoulson> liw - it's part of the gdu notifier. and i think there's already a bug report about the notification
[12:54] <liw> chrisccoulson, there's #512152 which seems to be about the warning being triggered by mistake, at least originally
[12:55] <chrisccoulson> liw - yeah. theres also one about the non-expiring notificaion, causing notify-osd to display it as an ugly fallback dialog
[12:56] <liw> well, I think a dialog is appropriate, if my disk is actually failing
[12:56] <liw> but I'd like to not be nagged about it on every login
[12:57] <liw> (also, I'd like launchpad not to muck up my arrow/paging keys)
[13:01] <cjwatson> liw: I think edge no longer does ...
[13:04] <liw> cjwatson, good, then I'll get the fix too, eventually :)
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[13:06] <chrisccoulson> liw - the notificaion is currently only a dialog by accident, due it not using notify-osd correctly. but, yes, i agree that it should be a dialog anyway
[13:06] <chrisccoulson> and it will be a more helpful dialog when it is fixed correctly
[13:06] <liw> cool
[13:08] <mjr> Hello hello; recent gnutls upgrade apparently broke md5-signed certificates. This is all fine and well, except, you know, when you happen to have one on disk that you kinda trust for putting it there yourself, and then ldap authentication breaks large system-wide.
[13:09] <mjr> probably configuring to ignore that, but I thought I'd mention that the change is really potentially rather disruptive
[13:10] <mjr> and therefore perchance not a thing to do in a minor update
[13:10] <cjwatson> liw: bug 1072427
[13:10] <cjwatson> err
[13:10] <cjwatson> liw: bug 107247
[13:10] <ubottu> Error: Launchpad bug 1072427 could not be found
[13:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 107247 in malone "Launchpad bug pages trigger caret browsing in Firefox and other Gecko browsers" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107247
[13:11] <liw> cjwatson, *nod*
[13:13] <mjr> (at least not inspiring much confidence in Ubuntu's stability around here in, oh, the birthplace of Linux)
[13:17] <jdstrand> seb128: re evince/apparmor> ack. I'll have it fixed shortly
[13:18] <seb128> jdstrand, thanks
[13:18] <liw> mjr, I know nothing about gnutls, but... do you mean it dropped support for md5-signed certificates?
[13:19] <seb128> doesn't seem there was any gnutls change in karmic
[13:20] <jdstrand> mjr: this is likely bug #305264
[13:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 305264 in openldap "gnutls regression: failure in certificate chain validation" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/305264
[13:23] <phish3> hey I just updated a package for karmic and uploaded it to my ppa
[13:23] <phish3> now I'd like to provide the same update for juanty
[13:23] <phish3> how should i do that?
[13:24] <liw> phish3, add a changelog entry to say you're uploading to jaunty, and upload the new source package?
[13:24] <liw> (that's a guess)
[13:24] <phish3> liw: I'll try
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[13:49] <liw> hal's going away; what's today's replacement for "gnome-mount --unmount -h /org/freedesktop/..."?
[13:51] <seb128> liw, devkit-disks --unmount ...
[13:52] <liw> indeed; thanks!
[13:52] <seb128> you're welcome
[13:55] <mjr> jdstrand, thanks
[14:04] <dez> Hi all
[14:06] <dez> Hi, I want to join the ubuntu development community. anyone could help me?
[14:06] <iulian> dez: Please see /topic.
[14:07] <dez> ok, thanks iulian
[14:14] <mjr> jdstrand, except it happened today and we seem to be up-to-date with gnutls, 0.3 today probably broke it
[14:15] <jdstrand> mjr: you are running intrepid?
[14:15] <phish3> what's the best way to get build deps from a control file or where one would run debuild
[14:16] <phish3> *get and install
[14:16] <liw> phish3, "apt-get build-dep"?
[14:16] <liw> else run dpkg-checkbuilddeps and parse output?
[14:16] <jdstrand> mjr: 2.4.1-1ubuntu0.3 was only pushed yesterday
[14:17] <jdstrand> mjr: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnutls12/+bug/305264/comments/70 explains the situation wrt md5. This is going to be discussed in an as yet to be published usn
[14:18] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 305264 in openldap "gnutls regression: failure in certificate chain validation" [High,Fix released]
[14:18] <phish3> liw: that'd work if i had the package
[14:18] <phish3> built already
[14:18] <phish3> the deps changed though
[14:18] <phish3> so now I need to go fetch new ones....
[14:19] <liw> phish3, there might be something in the devscripts package
[14:20] <mjr> jdstrand, oh yeah, true, intrepid, sorry, forgot to mention
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[14:22] <jdstrand> mjr: unfortunately our hands were rather tied wrt upstream's handling of the CVE that started that bug. In the end we needed to fix the security issue and that was the only way to do it. as I said, this is going to be discussed in the next security notice for gnutls (another update is pending)
[14:23] <jdstrand> mjr: I apologize for the inconvenience
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[14:28] <s0u][ight> cjwatson ping
[14:29] <phish3> liw: thanks for the tip, mk-build-deps btw
[14:29] <s0u][ight> http://pastebin.com/m7ab3cd19 gnome-keybinding-properties crashes
[14:29] <cjwatson> s0u][ight: yes?
[14:30] <s0u][ight> cjwatson take a look at the link
[14:30] <cjwatson> s0u][ight: I don't know anything about gnome-keybinding-properties; I don't know why you're asking me
[14:30] <s0u][ight> :s it's a bug i discovered, i never submitted a bug before
[14:31] <s0u][ight> btw thanks about easybcd helped me a lot
[14:34] <s0u][ight> cjwatson seems to be fixed in git, sorry for bothering you
[14:34] <soren> Can I somehow check for the existence of a function in posix shell?
[14:37] <soren> Ah, "type" reveals it.
[14:39] <mjr> jdstrand, well, we worked around it, will have to follow the situation then
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[14:43] <jdstrand> mjr: the situation should be over now-- people like yourself unfortunately need to workaround it/update the md5 certificates. also note that upgrading to 9.04 (or later) would have caused the same problem for you later even if the change did not occur in 8.10. but I know it is a pain
[15:35] <AnAnt> Hobbsee: thanks
[15:38] <AnAnt> Hello, is there a channel for notify-osd ?
[15:38] <AnAnt> or is the guy working on notify OSD here ?
[15:40] <Pici> AnAnt: #ayatana might be the place to ask
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[15:55] <phish3> can I specify multiple distributions in debian/changelog?
[15:56] <phish3> ex: pulseaudio (1:0.9.16~test4-0jenewton2) jaunty; urgency=low -> pulseaudio (1:0.9.16~test4-0jenewton2) jaunty, karmic; urgency=low
[15:57] <james_w> phish3: space separated, but it's not supported by the archive software
[15:57] <phish3> james_w: best solution?
[15:57] <james_w> upload twice?
[15:58] <phish3> alrighty
[15:59] <phish3> I'm still wrapping my head through it and making progress but ubuntu build system is a bit harder than opensuse's imo
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[16:25] <slangasek> ScottK: bug #339313 isn't marked as fix released, though; could you follow that up?
[16:25] <ColdWind> any dev interested in latex can sponsor bug #409673 ? it's breaking major functionality on pdftex, pdflatex and programs based on these like kile (I guess a few more too)
[16:25] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 339313 in ubuntu-release-notes "Kubuntu Jaunty: Cannot Connect To Wireless Network with WEP shared key" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/339313
[16:25] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 409673 in poppler "latest poppler prevents pdftex/pdflatex from working correctly" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409673
[16:26] <ScottK> slangasek: Doing the LP Foo now.  It's complicated due to package renames.
[16:26] <slangasek> ScottK: ok
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[16:41] <ogra> ScottK, i guess you could use an xorg.conf with Driver fbdev
[16:41] <ScottK> ogra: OK.  I'll try it.
[16:42] <ogra> NCommander has the HW to do testing for you though and he cares for KDE usually in the mobile team
[16:45] <james_w> if a package uses pycentral include-links then it seems hard to make it available for other python versions
[16:45] <james_w> has anyone else seen this?
[16:46] <james_w> I've installed python2.4 in a karmic chroot and can't get setuptools to be available under 2.4
[16:49] <MacSlow> kenvandine, and idea what might be causing gconfd-2 eating up the CPU if one does "compiz --replace"?
[16:49] <ogra> MacSlow, kill metacity
[16:49] <ogra> it keeps running
[16:50]  * ogra had the same prob, seb128 nicely educated me
[16:50] <MacSlow> ogra, trying...
[16:50] <MacSlow> how odd is that?!
[16:50] <ogra> :)
[16:51] <ogra> known bug though
[16:51] <MacSlow> ogra, any clues why that's happening?
[16:51] <ogra> no, but seb128 might have researched it, he pointed me directly to the workaround
[16:52] <seb128> there is a bug open on launchpad
[16:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson knows details
[16:52] <ogra> ah
[16:52] <ogra> MacSlow, ^^
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> yes, its because metacity doesn't set the RestartStyleHint correctly when exiting
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> so gnome-session just respawns it again
[16:53] <cjwatson> james_w: XS-Python-Versions doesn't do it?
[16:53] <cjwatson> james_w: I was wondering if lsb_release needs to be available for more than current
[16:54] <james_w> XS-Python-Version: 2.5, 2.6
[16:54] <james_w> so will it refuse to bcompile for 2.4?
[16:54] <james_w> I guess it's set to that so it doesn't use 2.4 at build time, and so python2.4 can be demoted
[16:55] <james_w> I can imagine some modules importing lsb_release, but I don't know of any, and I imagine lsb-release calls are far more common
[16:56] <cjwatson> true
[16:56] <cjwatson> james_w: is there any reason why you can't use include-links (to suppress some of the byte-compilation) *and* make some additional symlinks manually
[16:56] <cjwatson> ?
[16:56] <james_w> manually at build time, or manually after installation?
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[17:00] <james_w> hmm, seems no modules were set-up for python2.4
[17:00] <james_w> I tried to do an rtinstall as well
[17:01] <cjwatson> I meant build-time
[17:01] <happyaron> can tor added in karmic
[17:01] <happyaron> ?
[17:02] <happyaron> it seems to be an mistake that it has been deleted from Jaunty, some one told me that's to delete 0.1.x but 0.2.x is deleted now
[17:02] <james_w> cjwatson: yeah, you probably could
[17:02] <happyaron> and here I've filed a bug, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/413657
[17:03] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 413657 in ubuntu "Please sync tor 0.2.1.19-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New]
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[17:09] <kees> mterry: so... I *was* getting kernel messages, but when I did a restart of rsyslog, they stopped (but no errors that I can find...)
[17:10] <mterry> kees: Oh, good...  :-/
[17:10] <james_w> ah, you can't rtinstall 2.4 because it's not in "supported-versions"
[17:10] <kees> mterry: the dd seems to be running, though
[17:10] <mterry> kees: that's good.  how did you restart rsyslog?  reload/hup or restart?
[17:10] <kees> mterry: stop/start
[17:12] <kees> mterry: the dd is restarting as well.  *scratch head*
[17:12] <mterry> kees: I'm not sure either...
[17:12] <kees> mterry: if it shows up in "dmesg", I should expect to see it out of syslog, yes?
[17:13] <mterry> kees: I don't think that's universally true.  I'm getting kernel messages, but not everything in dmesg
[17:13] <mterry> kees: oh, maybe i am
[17:14] <mterry> kees: the way i usually test kernel message is just tailing /var/log/syslog and unplugging usb
[17:16] <kees> mterry: dd appears to be buffering?
[17:16] <kees> read(0, "<6>[78582.176041] usb 4-1: USB disconnect, address 3\n<6>[78582.176197] gspca: disconnect complete\n", 512) = 98
[17:16] <kees> write(1, "<6>[78495.781527] device br0 entered promiscuous mode\n<6>[78496.856514] device br0 left promiscuous mode\n<6>[78536.296047] usb 4-1: USB disconnect, address 2\n<6>[78536.296173] gspca: disconnect complete\n<6>[78543.456518] usb 4-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 3\n<6>[78543.643728] usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice\n<6>[78543.646665] gspca: probing 046d:089d\n<6>[78543.646669] zc3xx: Sensor MC501CB\n
[17:16] <kees> note the time offsets...
[17:17] <kees> and I just got a huge hit of sutff into syslog
[17:17] <kees> (which corresponded to the "write")
[17:17] <mterry> kees: the latest version uses bs=1; i would think that wouldn't buffer
[17:18] <kees> mterry: I have 4.2.0-1ubuntu2
[17:18] <kees> it shows:
[17:18] <kees>   start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile $KMSG_PIDFILE --exec /bin/dd -b -m -- if=/proc/kmsg of=$KMSG_PIPE
[17:18] <mterry> kees: upgrade to 4.2.0-2ubuntu1!
[17:19] <kees> mterry: ah-ha!  4 hours new.  :)
[17:19] <mterry> kees: when I ported the dd stuff from sysklogd to rsyslog, I inexplicably dropped the bs=1 line.  not sure how, because I can't believe I retyped that line by hand
[17:19] <kees> heh
[17:20] <kees> mterry: okay, well, cool.  I'm sure that'll solve my issue.  thanks!
[17:20] <mterry> kees: OK, well that's good then.  One mystery down
[17:20] <mterry> kees: yeah  :)
[17:26] <phish3> any idea on one can see what position in the queue one's ppa packages are for being built?
[17:26] <phish3> *how
[17:37] <bdrung_> dholbach: yesterday i was the complete day afmk
[17:45] <jdstrand> asac: fyi, not sure if you saw it, but I requested a merge for my apparmor/firefox work. (see bug #382917)
[17:45] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 382917 in firefox-3.5 "ship opt-in enforcing apparmor profile for firefox" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/382917
[17:46] <jdstrand> asac: it is disabled by default and opt-in only (as the bug says), so risk of regression should be quite low
[17:46] <cjwatson> Laney: I can't remember if I said, but I think the ghc6 stuff on powerpc is as far as I can get it with retries alone. haskelldb-dynamic highlighting-kate haskell-curl haskell-pcre-light remain
[17:49] <dholbach> bdrung_: that's fine - no worries
[17:49]  * dholbach heads out for the WE now - take care
[17:51] <asac> jdstrand: great thanks for the update. I will let someone merge it.
[17:51]  * asac out again
[17:51] <jdstrand> lamont`: it would be great if we could get bug #412751 fixed. There is a debdiff in the bug. What do think? Shall I just upload? do you want a git commit? can you apply the debdiff to git? please advise
[17:51] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 412751 in bind9 "bind9 should reload the named apparmor profile, not all of apparmor" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/412751
[17:52] <lamont`> jdstrand: most cool.
[17:52] <lamont`> I'll apply the debdiff and upload, prolly tonight if that works for you?
[17:53] <jdstrand> lamont`: that would be fantastic. no huge rush. thanks!
[17:53] <lamont`> there are a couple of other things already committed in the git tree to roll along with that, so upload is kinda pending these days
[17:53] <jdstrand> I thought there might be, so wanted to ask :)
[18:01] <Laney> cjwatson: Thanks, I'll catch up with it on Sunday
[18:01] <Laney> I think I've gotten as far as I can without serious investigation on other arches too
[18:01] <Laney> what remains are package that FTBFS for various reasons
[18:02] <Laney> and one or two that are blocked on broken cdbs
[18:07] <directhex> Laney, there's a different kind?
[18:17] <norsetto> is there any plan to make automake1.10 available in karmic or we just forget about it?
[18:18] <cjwatson> the Debian maintainer seems to think it's appropriate to supersede it entirely with 1.11, and only have one version
[18:19] <cjwatson> this doesn't seem out of order to me
[18:20] <omaha> hello all
[18:20] <norsetto> cjwatson, ok, so we forget about it, thx
[18:20] <cjwatson> if there are problems that can't be fixed with 1.11, it might be appropriate to reintroduce 1.10
[18:20] <cjwatson> but I'd rather do that if need be rather than just 'cos we're paranoid
[18:21] <omaha> is anyone familiar with the status of a touchscreen calibration util for evdev?
[18:21] <omaha> i'm under the impression that some work was done: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyTouchscreenHandling
[18:21] <omaha> or was at least intended....
[18:22] <omaha> i'm about to write an app that would replace this utility, unless it already exists :)
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[18:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, sorry I need to go for dinner now but maybe there is still some us guy there working who could sponsor
[18:44] <seb128> slangasek, want to sponsor a nautilus fix for chrisccoulson?
[18:44] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - that's ok. i'm still investigating it some more actually. there seems to be something confusing going on from GDU
[18:44] <seb128> ok
[18:44] <seb128> need to run
[18:44] <chrisccoulson> so, nothing to sponsor just yet ;)
[18:44] <seb128> bbl
[18:52] <slangasek> seb128: can do
[18:52] <slangasek> or not
[18:52] <slangasek> :)
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[19:28] <sebner> slangasek: I'm wondering who has the next archive admin job (buglist is pretty long and growing) :P
[19:29] <slangasek> sebner: the rotation is documented on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration
[19:30] <sebner> slangasek: ah, so I'm looking forward to monday seeing you in action ;-P
[19:30] <ebroder> Does anybody have an example d-i preseed file that sets an empty root password?
[19:30] <ebroder> I've tried setting user-setup/password-empty and user-setup/allow-password-empty both to true, but it doesn't seem to be enough
[19:31] <slangasek> sebner: it's still Friday, perhaps jdstrand is doing some today
[19:31] <cjwatson> there are some things d-i just won't let you do
[19:31] <jdstrand> I do plan to work on it today, but a bit later
[19:32] <cjwatson> if you want to do this, you'll have to set it to a dummy value and change the password directly from preseed/late_command
[19:32] <sebner> jdstrand: do you really want to take away all the sync bugs for slangasek? :P
[19:32] <ebroder> cjwatson: Ok. I kind of thought that was how I was reading the user-setup scripts; just wanted to be sure
[19:32] <jdstrand> heh, well, I'd like to... but whether or not I'll be able to is another question entirely
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[21:04] <slangasek> mathiaz: so if you remove mysql-client-5.0 first, does the dist-upgrade work?
[21:05] <mathiaz> slangasek: hm - that would remove mysql-server too
[21:05] <slangasek> oh
[21:05] <mathiaz> slangasek: let me try that
[21:05] <slangasek> well if it's a dependency, I guess there's no hope for that
[21:05] <slangasek> I mean, yeah it works, but it doesn't help us narrow down the problem any :)
[21:06] <mathiaz> slangasek: right - and I think dist-upgrade should be supported
[21:06] <slangasek> yeah
[21:06] <slangasek> I was just wanting to isolate if it was a problem with the client vs. server packages, but if the server deps on the client, that doesn't help
[21:06] <mathiaz> slangasek: considering that FF is around the corner would it make sense to upload the new package now and sort out the upgrade later?
[21:06] <slangasek> I think that'd be ok
[21:07] <mathiaz> slangasek: ok - so I'm going to upload mysql-dfsg-5.1 today
[21:07] <mathiaz> and then I'd need some AA to do the override.
[21:08] <mathiaz> s/override/promotion/
[21:08]  * slangasek nods
[21:16] <ccheney> er is copying files in gnome terminal supposed to qualify as inactive for the sake of power management putting the system to sleep?
[21:18] <ccheney> it put one of my machines to sleep in the middle of a huge copy and now i get to do a long fsck :-\
[21:24] <ebroder> If I'm using the Jaunty d-i to install an older release, do I need to set both mirror/suite and mirror/udeb/suite? How badly are things going to break if they're not the same?
[21:25] <cjwatson> I'm not convinced that's even possible
[21:25] <cjwatson> I wouldn't recommend setting mirror/udeb/suite - that's for bits of the installer itself
[21:26] <cjwatson> the way to go about it would be to set only mirror/suite
[21:26] <ebroder> But just setting mirror/suite should work?
[21:32] <niktaris> why are there .deb files on the remix version ?
[21:33] <niktaris> does it use d-i for installation or does it use the ubuquity ?
[21:34] <cjwatson> ubiquity uses a small number of .debs too
[21:35] <cjwatson> ebroder: it's worth a shot, but it is by no means guaranteed
[21:35] <chrisccoulson> hey slangasek - still available to do some sponsoring? i'm just building and testing this brasero change to fix a nautilus crash that seb128 mentioned earlier
[21:35] <chrisccoulson> i will push to bzr once i've tested it
[21:36] <slangasek> chrisccoulson: yep
[21:36] <chrisccoulson> thanks :) i'll let you know once i've pushed the change
[21:41] <mdke> could someone have a look at ubuntu-docs_8.10.3 and maybe let it into intrepid-proposed?
[21:42] <niktaris> cjwatson, hi, while trying to build a custom remix version I am curius as of how important these .deb files are.
[21:43] <chrisccoulson> does anybody know what happens to CD drive entries listed in /etc/fstab on upgrade if the device node is different after the upgrade to karmic?
[21:46] <cjwatson> niktaris: they're used for a variety of things which are conditionally installed; on your own head be it if you leave them out. :-)
[21:46] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: I think update-manager has a rune to try to adjust them ...
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> cjwatson - thanks. i've spoken to some people who have stale entries in their fstab after upgrading. we just discovered it because it was a trigger for a nautilus crash i've just been looking at
[21:48] <niktaris> cjwatson, I don't need to remove them I am just thinking if I should add mine too, even though they will be already installed in the .squashfs system :)
[21:49] <cjwatson> niktaris: if they're in the squashfs, you don't need to include them separately too
[21:50] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: at most update-manager does it, so they may not have used that to upgrade
[21:50] <chrisccoulson> cjwatson - yeah, that's possible. thanks
[21:51] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: I noticed today that mvo committed some code to upstream apt a little while back to add a more dynamic way to handle those, so we have some hope of making this go away eventually, although the upgrade problem remains
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[21:51] <chrisccoulson> that will mean the CD entries going away entirely won't it?
[21:55] <ebroder> ...huh. So I set mirror/suite to hardy...and still got a Jaunty machine
[21:57] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: right
[21:57] <cjwatson> ebroder: may just not work
[21:57] <ebroder> I guess not. Oh well
[21:57] <cjwatson> feel free to figure out why :)
[21:57] <cjwatson> DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer may produce a more helpful (or at least verbose) syslog
[22:05] <niktaris> cjwatson, thanks
[22:19] <chrisccoulson> slangasek - i pushed the brasero change for sponsoring to lp:~ubuntu-desktop/brasero/ubuntu
[22:20] <slangasek> chrisccoulson: grabbing
[22:20] <chrisccoulson> thanks:)
[22:23] <mdke> slangasek: do you think you might be able to have a look at poking the ubuntu-docs package in the intrepid-proposed queue through if you get a moment later?
[22:23] <slangasek> mdke: yes, I have some time blocked this afternoon for SRU processing
[22:23] <mdke> slangasek: awesome, thanks
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[22:31] <arand> slangasek: May I likewise plug the goffice package in ibex & jaunty queue?
[22:40] <a|wen> mathiaz: regarding the mysql-server 5.1 upgrade ... running apt-get with debug-options on the package-resolver doesn't reveal anything to note; it seems that apt's resolver simply isn't smart enough (aptitude safe-upgrade works fine)
[23:07] <jdstrand> slangasek, james_w: I couldn't get to archive work today. I'm gonna try to do some over the weekend though
[23:07] <jdstrand> slangasek, james_w: fyi only...
[23:09] <slangasek> jdstrand: ah, cheers
[23:12] <slangasek> chrisccoulson: uploaded
[23:12] <chrisccoulson> slangasek - thank you
[23:34] <ccheney> grr i somehow broke my OOo build without even knowing wtf i did :-\
[23:39] <ebroder> Does anybody still have a good writeup on how to do a fully unattended dapper install with a preseed URL (not file)?
[23:39] <ebroder> I can't find any kernel command line arguments that will bypass the kbd-chooser/method prompt