| dhillon-v10 | Rocket2DMn: how are you? | 20:41 |
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| Rocket2DMn | hi dhillon-v10 | 20:43 |
| Rocket2DMn | im well, thank you, how are you? | 20:44 |
| dhillon-v10 | Rocket2DMn: good | 20:44 |
| dhillon-v10 | Rocket2DMn: I got an email from phillbull regarding Mallard, so can how can I start working with it | 20:44 |
| Rocket2DMn | dhillon-v10, i haven't a clue about Mallard, sorry | 20:45 |
| Rocket2DMn | what is that you want to do with it? | 20:45 |
| dhillon-v10 | "We're also looking for writers to work on rewriting the GNOME documentation using a new format called Mallard [2]. This is going to be an extremely big job, but would be a great way to learn about technical writing. " | 20:46 |
| dhillon-v10 | Rocket2DMn: that's what I got from phillbull | 20:47 |
| Rocket2DMn | dhillon-v10, that sounds like work that would be done upstream at Gnome, not in Ubuntu yet | 20:47 |
| Rocket2DMn | There was discussion at the last team meeting about converting our ubuntu-docs stuff to Mallard to align with Gnome, but not yet | 20:48 |
| dhillon-v10 | Rocket2DMn: well that was the email I got and how can i join the meetings here... | 20:48 |
| Rocket2DMn | Meetings here will be announced on the mailing list | 20:48 |
| Rocket2DMn | I don't know anything about Gnome operations upstream though | 20:49 |
| dhillon-v10 | Rocket2DMn: I am subscribed to the mailing list but I don't get any email regarding meetings, I check them all | 20:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | well we don't have meetings very often, so it's not surprising that you haven't seen any meeting announcements | 20:51 |
| Rocket2DMn | if you're on the mailing list, you'll see any discussion about planning the next meeting when it comes time | 20:51 |
| dhillon-v10 | Rocket2DMn: Alright, so I am working on modifying wikis and adding some new pages and such, any thing else you would have me do... | 20:52 |
| Rocket2DMn | Lol, I'm not in charge here dhillon-v10 :) | 20:53 |
| Rocket2DMn | you can email the list to ask for more suggestions if you want | 20:54 |
| dhillon-v10 | Rocket2DMn: Oh, I thought you were, nevermind | 20:54 |
| dhillon-v10 | :) | 20:54 |
| Rocket2DMn | no, mdke is the doc-team lead | 20:54 |
| Rocket2DMn | However, if you want wiki work, have a look at the Tag page - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag | 20:54 |
| Rocket2DMn | anything tagged for Content Cleanup, Style Cleanup, or Expansion need work | 20:55 |
| dhillon-v10 | Rocket2DMn: I guess I should say hi to him too... :) | 20:58 |
| Rocket2DMn | heh, indeed | 20:58 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: hi, how are you? | 20:58 |
| Rocket2DMn | he is marked as away right now, so it's unlikely he'll respond, but if you stay signed on, he will respond to any notes you leave for him | 20:59 |
| dhillon-v10 | Rocket2DMn: how do you find that out???? | 20:59 |
| Rocket2DMn | His name is gray on the user list | 21:00 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'm using Xchat, if you're using something else, you may have to check somewhere else | 21:00 |
| dhillon-v10 | Rocket2DMn: oh I use pidgin, it comes with ubuntu so ... | 21:01 |
| dhillon-v10 | Rocket2DMn: I will talk to you later, thanks and bye | 21:02 |
| Rocket2DMn | see ya | 21:02 |
| mdke | dhillon-v10: hi, what can I do for you? | 21:40 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: sorry to make you wait, just 2 mins.. thanks | 21:41 |
| mdke | I am on and off irc myself | 21:41 |
| mdke | so no probl | 21:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | hey mdke , what would you like to do with this page - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiCleanupProposal | 21:47 |
| mdke | hmm | 21:48 |
| Rocket2DMn | it's rather old | 21:48 |
| mdke | I'd probably say let's nuke it and keep working on the latest proposal from Marc and Andrew | 21:49 |
| Rocket2DMn | alright | 21:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | also, what about pages like this - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/PageDiscussion | 21:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'm not sure if we want to keep PageDiscussion pages or not. Either way, there are many with lots of old content | 21:50 |
| mdke | I'd say not, they aren't helpful for discussing - i much prefer the mailing list | 21:51 |
| Rocket2DMn | you want to delete all PageDiscussion pages? | 21:51 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: Alright so I am back, I wanted to know about mallard | 21:52 |
| mdke | I wouldn't say all, because they might have useful material in them. if so I think we should think about how to keep them | 21:52 |
| mdke | but those without useful material, yes | 21:53 |
| mdke | dhillon-v10: ok. Are you broadly familiar with the difference between Ubuntu and Gnome? | 21:53 |
| mdke | (not sure what your level of experience is with the Ubuntu ecosystem) | 21:53 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: yah well gnome is the desktop environment but ubuntu is the whole operating system | 21:54 |
| mdke | right | 21:54 |
| mdke | the Gnome project has its own documentation team | 21:54 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: alright | 21:54 |
| Rocket2DMn | sounds good mdke , i know there are some with useful content. or that direct users in how to update some pages. I'll put PageDiscussions on my radar and delete those that aren't helpful. | 21:54 |
| mdke | they are currently working on a rehash of their documentation to make it easier for distributions like Ubuntu to use it | 21:54 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: Can I help with that????? | 21:55 |
| mdke | part of that rehash is a new document language which they will use to write their documents in | 21:55 |
| mdke | it's called Mallard | 21:55 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: you are smart :) | 21:55 |
| mdke | similar to html, if you are familiar with that | 21:55 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: I am a programmer, working with computer vision | 21:55 |
| mdke | dhillon-v10: I haven't said anything smart so far ;) | 21:55 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke - delete the two pages I linked you to? I only ask b/c they are doc-team pages. | 21:56 |
| mdke | you can definitely help contribute to the Gnome documentation team, if you like | 21:56 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: yes, I think so (if you agree) | 21:56 |
| mdke | dhillon-v10: the Gnome documentation team has its own mailing list and irc channel so the first step is to join those | 21:56 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: well for the most part computer vision is my area of work, is there anything other than wikis that needs to be worked upon | 21:56 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: I know that and I have joined it | 21:57 |
| Rocket2DMn | i do agree mdke , but i'm pretty liberal with the delete button, so i just wanted to make sure :) | 21:57 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: cool | 21:57 |
| mdke | dhillon-v10: what do you mean by computer vision? | 21:57 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: It is the art of making computers see what we humans do using solid mathematics | 21:57 |
| mdke | ok | 21:58 |
| mdke | if you'd like to contribute to Gnome documentation, I'd say just contact the mailing list and ask how you can help | 21:59 |
| mdke | if you'd like to contribute to Ubuntu documentation, we'd love that too :) | 21:59 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: I am working on some wikis is there anything else | 21:59 |
| mdke | the thing to do there is to visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam and read on :) | 21:59 |
| mdke | there should be plenty of information there about how to find things to work on, but feel free to ask if you have any other questions | 22:00 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: I have been guided by Rocket2DMn and I have read some pages there as well | 22:00 |
| mdke | great | 22:01 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: so what should I do now? | 22:02 |
| mdke | dhillon-v10: that's kinda up to you, it depends on what you are interested in | 22:02 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: What about system documentation | 22:03 |
| mdke | yes, plenty to do there | 22:03 |
| mdke | so | 22:03 |
| mdke | there is likely to be plenty to do in updating the documentation to the new features in karmic | 22:03 |
| mdke | for example, the move to empathy as an irc client, and I'm sure there are plenty of other user visible changes | 22:04 |
| mdke | another thing we are missing is documentation for connecting to bluetooth devices, if you have had any experience with that on Ubuntu | 22:04 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: what should I do to get to those pages and write out what I can | 22:05 |
| mdke | you'll need to read the system documentation pages quite carefully, those will tell you how things work and where to get copies of the documents | 22:05 |
| mdke | there is no substitute for reading those pages, but it's quite easy to pick up | 22:05 |
| mdke | I'm referring to the wiki pages at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation | 22:06 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: I had a look at those pages before but I don't see a ubuntu karamic branch | 22:09 |
| mdke | where? | 22:09 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: sorry I wasn't specific enough: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-doc-project | 22:11 |
| mdke | yeah, that's a bit confusing actually | 22:12 |
| mdke | it's here - https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-karmic | 22:12 |
| mdke | I'll see if I can clarify the page, unfortunately Launchpad is a bit unhelpful about how it presents the branches | 22:12 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: Please don't get me wrong but are you sure that's the right page... | 22:13 |
| mdke | yes | 22:13 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: alright I will get the branch and then how do i proceed | 22:14 |
| mdke | what do you want to do? | 22:16 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: Update the documentation for various packages | 22:17 |
| mdke | you need to identify some material that needs to be changed, change it, and then submit a patch as described in the Editing, Checking and Submitting pages on the wiki | 22:19 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: Oh that was simpler than I thought | 22:20 |
| dhillon-v10 | :) | 22:20 |
| mdke | see how you go | 22:22 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: do you recommed this work to be done under a virtual machine or not | 22:23 |
| mdke | editing the documentation doesn't have to be at all | 22:23 |
| mdke | but trying karmic out is probably best done in a virtual machine | 22:23 |
| dhillon-v10 | mdke: alright thanks and nice talking to you | 22:25 |
| mdke | dhillon-v10: same, catch you soon | 22:25 |
| dhillon-v10 | bye | 22:25 |
| * mdke notices that doc.ubuntu.com is still working on jaunty | 22:26 | |
| mdke | *cough* | 22:26 |
| Rocket2DMn | man every time I go to clean up stuff on the wiki, I find another set of things that need to be done | 22:28 |
| Rocket2DMn | lol | 22:28 |
| mdke | hah | 22:28 |
| mdke | you're doing awesome work on the wiki | 22:28 |
| mdke | thanks for that | 22:29 |
| Rocket2DMn | sure thing, i would just like to see some order on the wiki. I think it would be a lot more useful that way | 22:31 |
| Rocket2DMn | requires a lot of pruning and constant upkeep | 22:31 |
| * mdke nods | 22:31 | |
| Rocket2DMn | the summer of documentation has been going well, people are putting out some great work - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Development | 22:32 |
| mdke | nice :) | 22:33 |
| mdke | we should have a page like that for the whole team, do you think it would work? | 22:33 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'm not sure if it would work, I think it's been tried before, hasn't it? | 22:33 |
| mdke | it's a damn site better than DocumentationTeam/Wiki/Tasks | 22:34 |
| Rocket2DMn | I basically took pages that were Tagged or had older Categories - ones I thought BT members should be able to handle, and just listed them for covenience | 22:34 |
| mdke | it looks like it's been a great success | 22:35 |
| Rocket2DMn | yes, I get quite a few requests for ideas about "what should i work on next", i havent always been able to keep up | 22:35 |
| * mdke nods | 22:35 | |
| mdke | the age old problem really | 22:35 |
| Rocket2DMn | however, directing users to the doc-team pages is best. Members can get their hands dirty with stuff I start them off with, then are more comfortable and can jump further into the doc team | 22:36 |
| Rocket2DMn | at that point they can find their own way | 22:36 |
| Rocket2DMn | that's the whole point really | 22:37 |
| mdke | right but we need to keep the docteam pages updated with current tasks | 22:37 |
| mdke | never easy | 22:38 |
| mdke | I like the list you've done there | 22:38 |
| Rocket2DMn | yeah, it's tough to stay on top of it. When I finish some other tasks I have on my list, I'll see if I can come up with a proposal for a similar method for the whole doc-team. | 22:39 |
| mdke | I guess the tag system is the way forward | 22:40 |
| mdke | I don't know whether that is effectively used or not, but it should work in theory | 22:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | the biggest problem I've had with the tag system is that when you want to see the list, it can only show 10 per page | 22:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | perhaps there is a simple way around that which I haven't discovered. regardless, it's not user friendly in that sense | 22:42 |
| mdke | I wonder if we can fix that | 22:42 |
| mdke | surely we can fix it | 22:42 |
| Rocket2DMn | hopefully it's as simple as adding a parameter to the URL | 22:43 |
| mdke | Rocket2DMn: we could create pages like this one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag/Unsupported/List | 22:45 |
| Rocket2DMn | mdke, that is brilliant, why didn't I think of that! | 22:46 |
| mdke | :) | 22:46 |
| Rocket2DMn | the only thing better would be to have the ability to separate the listings by letter, not sure if the search function can produce output that complex though | 22:47 |
| Rocket2DMn | either way, that is much more user friendly since it is all in one place | 22:47 |
| mdke | not as far as i know, but feel free to look into it :) | 22:47 |
| Rocket2DMn | the TitleIndex page does it, perhaps there is a way to harness it's capability in search queries | 22:49 |
| mdke | possibly | 22:49 |
| mdke | if you fancy creating a new more of those pages and linking to them on the "Tag" page, go ahead. Otherwise I'll try and do it over the weekend | 22:49 |
| mdke | bed for now | 22:49 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'll put it on my radar, but you can go ahead and do it, you'll probably get to it first | 22:50 |
| mdke | cool, will do | 22:50 |
| mdke | cya | 22:50 |
| Rocket2DMn | alright, good night | 22:50 |
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