[00:00] <lex79> eheh :>
[00:01] <a|wen> shtylman: yes! you need to test your own dog-food (and as you are working on the installer, then...) :P
[00:03]  * a|wen was very impressed by the installer at alpha 3 stage
[00:04] <Quintasan> yay for borked ext4 in jaunty once again
[00:05] <a|wen> Quintasan: why not just upgrade to karmic
[00:05] <Quintasan> a|wen: fglrx
[00:06] <Quintasan> a|wen: radeon is too slow, radeonhd has no support for Direct rendering and fglrx fails to build kernel module
[00:06] <a|wen> Quintasan: which gfx-card?
[00:06] <Quintasan> a|wen: Radeon HD3450
[00:08] <shtylman> a|wen: but I have run through that installer like a bazillion times :) ... doing it for real just seems...too surreal ...
[00:10] <a|wen> he :)
[00:14] <a|wen> Quintasan: just stick to old hardware like me
[00:14] <Quintasan> a|wen: I had Radeon 9550 but it was a pain in the ass :(
[00:15] <a|wen> radeon 9600 on my desktop ... X300 mobile on the laptop
[00:18] <a|wen> Quintasan: style-crystal uploaded
[00:18] <Quintasan> thanks
[00:19] <a|wen> won't get to the other one this WE
[00:45] <Riddell> Quintasan: you pinged?
[00:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: yeah, could you check update to aurorae? I uploaded it to REVU since a|wen mentioned it's a pain in the ass to get files from LP bugs
[00:48] <Riddell> Quintasan: URL?
[00:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kwin-style-aurorae
[00:59] <Riddell> get hot new stuff for aurorae doesn't work, the get new stuff window is always below the kwin configure window
[01:00] <Quintasan> Riddell: can you give me a screenshot of this?
[01:09] <Riddell> http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/aurorae.png
[01:09] <Riddell> Quintasan: package uploaded
[01:09] <Quintasan> thanks
[01:12] <shtylman> Riddell: want me to go ahead and put the keyboard display into the installer to let people try it out?
[01:12] <shtylman> well before the next alpha...
[01:14] <Riddell> shtylman: ooh you have it?
[01:14] <Riddell> shtylman: why the doubts?
[01:14] <shtylman> yea...ive had it for a while... well..there are some concerns that because it only displays a standard keyboard layout
[01:14] <shtylman> people might be confused
[01:15] <shtylman> if they have non standard layout of keys
[01:15] <shtylman> (like evand gave the example that he has an extra key between his 'z' key and shift
[01:15] <shtylman> I personally think that people are aware enough of what a *standard* keyboard layout is that seeing the keyboard will actually be of greater help
[01:16] <shtylman> and better feedback
[01:16] <shtylman> the problem is that I can only change the text displayed on the keys when they change their keyboard layout/variant... I cannot, as it would be impossible basically to detect, rearrange the keys to match their actual setup
[01:19] <shtylman> Riddell: lp:~shtylman/+junk/keyboard ... and run keys.py to the see first working example
[01:20] <shtylman> I got the basic idea down for what I wanted...just need to see how to handle languages it can't find and whatnot...
[01:21] <Riddell> so that's what an Afghani keyboard looks like
[01:21] <Riddell> where does it get the data from?
[01:22] <shtylman> asks the system for the unicode character for a particular keycode
[01:22] <shtylman> lines 19 and 20 of keys.py
[01:22] <Riddell> looks good, go for it I say
[01:23] <shtylman> it basically gets a C header file from that command and parses it for the key info
[01:23] <shtylman> not the prettiest solution..but it was what I had
[01:23] <shtylman> alrighty...I will start migrating that in then
[01:26] <shtylman> the real trick I want to figure out is showing the shifted keys without the user doing anything
[01:26] <shtylman> that would basically just finalize it for me :)
[01:37] <Gon> hi, I have a problem compiling konversation. Source code depends of kdepim headers, but kdepim-dev depends of kde-4.2.4 libraries, and I have kde 4.3 :s
[01:42] <Gon> any suggestions?
[01:42] <Gon> I'm in Jaunty
[01:47] <Riddell> Gon: it complains at me about   kdepim-dev: Depends: libqtphonon-dev (>= 4.5) but it is not installable
[01:47] <Riddell> is that what you get?
[02:13] <Gon> kdepim-runtime: Entra en conflicto: akonadi-kde (< 4:4.2.95) pero se va a instalar 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1.
[02:13] <Gon>   kdepimlibs5-dev: Depende: kdepimlibs5 (= 4:4.2.2-0ubuntu1) pero está instalado 4:4.3.0-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1.
[02:13] <Gon> an many more...
[02:14] <Gon> I'm going to paste in a pastebin
[02:14] <Riddell> Gon: apt-cache policy kdepimlibs5-dev
[02:15] <Gon> http://gon.pastebin.com/m31b5b38
[02:15] <Gon> http://gon.pastebin.com/m5ceb52da
[02:17] <Riddell> Gon: you don't have 4.3 available to install
[02:17] <Riddell> you must have disabled it
[02:18] <Gon> ?
[02:18] <Gon> Sysinfo for 'acer': Linux 2.6.31-999-generic running KDE 4.3.00 (KDE 4.3.0), CPU: Intel(R)Celeron(R)CPU550@2.00GHz at 2000 MHz (4000 bogomips), HD: 72/109GB, RAM: 1949/2004MB, 148 proc's, 2.3h up
[02:18] <Gon> only kdepim libs are broken :s
[02:33] <Riddell> Gon: well I uploaded a fix but your main problem is that you don't have kubuntu ppa backports enabled
[02:36] <Sir-Gon> Riddell: ! sorry,
[02:36] <Sir-Gon> sorry, it's true, I did not realize I had moved my kubuntu-ppa.list from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[02:36] <Sir-Gon> :$
[02:50] <Sir-Gon> Riddell: !
[02:50] <Sir-Gon> I have enabled kubuntu ppa backports now
[02:50] <Sir-Gon> and...
[02:50] <Sir-Gon> No se satisfacen las dependencias de los siguientes paquetes:
[02:50] <Sir-Gon>   kdepim-dev: Depende: libqtphonon-dev (>= 4.5) que es un paquete virtual.
[02:55] <lex79> Sir-Gon: wait...he uploaded kdepim right now, is still building, you can see here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports when it is finished
[03:05] <Sir-Gon> aaaaaah ok :D
[03:05] <Sir-Gon> thanks
[03:08] <lex79> :)
[03:14] <maco> hey Riddell
[03:15] <maco> i just hit a question that i cant answer because im not sure how apt-get upgrade works. if you install a package with dpkg -i and it is available in a repository, will it get updates? or will apt only update things that it has installed itself? i *think* the former, but im not sure..
[03:23] <lex79> maco: apt can upgrade the packages which you installed with dpkg -i, there are not problems :)
[03:24] <maco> lex79: thanks
[03:24] <lex79> you're welcome
[03:52] <ScottK> maco: apt is a front end for dpkg which is a front end for dselect.
[03:52] <ScottK> So dpkg installs it regardless of if you call dpkg directly or not.
[03:55] <maco> i know dpkg installs it
[03:55] <maco> i meant does apt only know to upgrade things that apt has installed
[03:55] <maco> i know aptitude maintains its own db separate from dpkg's, so i didnt know if that had an effect
[03:57] <ScottK> Right.  That's one of the reasons I don't use aptitude.  It doesn't use the package cache the rest of the system uses.
[03:57] <ScottK> Apt and dpkg use the same mechanisms to track package status.
[04:02] <Sir-Gon> Riddell, lex79
[04:02] <Sir-Gon> thanks!!!!!
[04:02] <Sir-Gon> i'm updating now
[04:02] <Sir-Gon> =D
[04:37] <Sir-Gon> finally
[04:37]  * Sir-Gon building konversation from svn :D
[05:10] <ScottK> Riddell: googlefight.com is another site that works in Firefox, but not Arora.
[06:38] <ulaas> org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.InvalidMountOption : The option 'locale=en_US.UTF-8' is not allowed for uid=1000
[06:39] <ulaas> should this go to launchpad?
[08:01] <Lure> Riddell, ScottK: akonadi-googledata is waiting in NEW queue for somebody to kick it over
[08:24] <ScottK> ulaas: Sure.
[08:25] <ulaas> ScottK: ok! installing / launching and adding that this disk with ntfs-config makes it work. does this make a difference?
[08:26] <ScottK> Please put it in the bug,
[08:26] <ulaas> ok
[08:28] <ulaas> ScottK: sorry to bug you all the time but i know that it is hal related. but it is seen on dolphin. so hal? or dolphin?
[08:29] <tsimpson> ulaas: report for dolphin, if it's a hal issue we'll move it to hal for you
[08:30] <ulaas> tsimpson: allrighty..
[08:31] <tsimpson> always assume the bug is at the highest level (unless you know better), then work your way down
[08:32] <ulaas> the only think that i know "better" is that i know nothing. socrates...
[08:34] <tsimpson> for every rule, there is an exception. rules without an exception, are the exception to this rule. me :)
[08:35] <ulaas> :)
[16:43] <ryanakca> Riddell: Thanks for frescobaldi
[16:43] <Riddell> it had such a cool name I couldn't ignore it
[16:44] <Tm_T> moi juissi
[16:45] <ryanakca> Riddell: hehe :)  Are you watching the "ICF Canoe Sprint World Championships" today?
[16:45] <Riddell> ryanakca: no, where's that happening?
[16:46] <ryanakca> Riddell: Dartmouth / Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
[16:48] <Riddell> any Scots winning?
[16:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: No clue, but you can watch it at http://www.canoeicf.com/default.asp?Page=2524 since I'm guessing it won't be broadcast in the UK
[16:49] <ScottK> My first thought was that I'm not competing, then I noticed the insufficiency of t's.
[17:16] <nixternal> WHOSE IDEA WAS IT TO CHANGE THE CHOQOK ICON TO A GREEN COLOR!?!?!?!?
[17:16] <nixternal> anyways, thanks! I love it, I can tell the difference between it and kopete now :)
[18:29]  * ScottK notes Debian Bug#541691 to koffice lovers and suggests go help.
[18:29] <ScottK> Debian Bug #541691 even
[18:31] <Riddell> mm, I've entirely forgotten to do koffice 2.0.2
[18:51] <lex79> Riddell: I update koffice in bzr few days ago, but now I'm merging with experimental
[19:08] <Riddell> lex79: great, let me know when it's ready to upload
[19:08] <lex79> ok
[19:13] <ulaas> current knetworkmanger is a no go with wpa..
[19:13] <ulaas> is that correct?
[19:18] <Riddell> ulaas: it should work with wpa
[19:19] <ulaas> Riddell: lemme check my ap for a sec. just to be sure..
[19:21] <ulaas> Riddell: ok. my kubuntu karmic is a fresh 64 install early today.. had no luck with my AP set to wpa.
[19:21] <ulaas> using wicd atm
[19:24] <ulaas> Riddell: i also have a cable connection handy! and my wicd debs downloaded already. if you want me to test anything.. ican..
[19:25] <ryanakca> Can someone try to apt-get install mono-2.0-gac and see if they get a "Size mismatch" error ?
[19:25] <rgreening> ulaas: you need the updates from after Alpha4 for the fix
[19:26] <ulaas> rgreening: i am always bleeding edge. if you are not tailking about a specific PPA
[19:26] <rgreening> ulaas: you have it all updated to latest updates?
[19:26] <rgreening> no PPA required
[19:28] <ulaas> rgreening: so no luck. i am fully updated..
[19:29] <rgreening> ulaas: strange. Try deleting the AP and kill knetworkmanager and restart it. Reconfigure the AP from scratch again.
[19:29] <rgreening> ulaas: I had to do this to get mine to pick up the first time.
[19:30] <ulaas> rgreening: give me the package name.. to make  good test .as there are plasma--this networkmanager-that - blah blah everywhere
[19:30] <rgreening> killall knetworkmanager (as above)
[19:31] <ulaas> lemme apt*get
[19:31] <rgreening> no
[19:31] <rgreening> don't you already have knetworkmanager running in system tray?
[19:31] <ulaas> no i have wicd up. remember knetworkm.. does not work for me...
[19:31] <rgreening> If it's not in the system tray, then you are using the old plasmoid, which does not work.
[19:32] <rgreening> oh
[19:32] <rgreening> 1 sec then
[19:32] <rgreening> don't install yet
[19:32] <ulaas> rgreening: at your service.ready to roll.
[19:32] <rgreening> ulaas: plasma-widget-networkmanagement: /usr/bin/knetworkmanager
[19:33] <rgreening> apt-get install plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[19:33] <ulaas> hmmmm i may drop... i ll be back..
[19:33] <rgreening> kk
[19:43] <ulaas> rgreening: yay!!!!
[19:47] <ulaas> that will do!!! i was installing plasma-widget-network-manager
[19:47] <ulaas> plasma-widget-networkmangement is good
[19:47] <ulaas> rgreening: kudos and thanks.
[19:50] <ulaas> rgreening: seems to be ok. a reboot was neccessary though
[19:51] <rgreening> cool. A logout may have worked also :)
[19:52] <ulaas> did that. worked but dropped reconnected a few times. so rebooted. anyway .similar named packages.  that was my problem
[19:52] <ulaas> thank you very much.
[19:52] <ulaas> rgreening: one more question :)  will kde 4.4 see exchange support?
[19:53] <rgreening> ulaas: not sure, but a good place ot ask would be #kde-devel or #kontact I guess.
[19:54] <ulaas> rgreening: i see. thats the only thing left blocks me a full switch :)
[19:54] <rgreening> actually, talk to stgraber, usually in #ubuntu-devel
[19:55] <ulaas> rgreening: will do. thx again
[19:55] <rgreening> stgraber does a lot of stuff with Schools/business and Linux. He may know more on this subject.
[19:56] <rgreening> also Tonio_ may know too... he has similar experience with integrating linux into french parliament, etc...
[21:15] <Nightrose> which repo is amarok 2.1.1 in for jaunty?
[21:15]  * Nightrose lost track of it and a user can't find it
[21:18] <Nightrose> ok nvm
[21:42]  * ryanakca found a bug in irssi, hurray ;)  (sigsev when running '/window move down') in a split window)