[02:07] <lamont`> jdstrand: bind9 9.6.1.dfsg.P1-2 uploaded to sid
[03:54] <ebroder> I'm guessing that nobody wants to touch pulseaudio, but is anyone from ubuntu-sru around who could look at bug #330766? It's causing problems for our site deployment for users who run out of quota
[04:07] <dtchen> ebroder: you'll have better luck asking on a weekday
[04:07]  * ebroder nods
[04:07] <dtchen> (and some of us "touch" PA quite frequently - for better or worse)
[04:08] <dtchen> thank goodness we're using tdb now
[04:08] <maco> tdb?
[04:15] <TheMuso> dtchen: My concern with that fix is that it could break dir/file handling in .pulse
[04:15] <TheMuso> maco: Tdb is a database library.
[04:16] <maco> TheMuso: thanks
[05:41] <jono> anyone around to test an Empathy audio call with?
[05:55] <ccheney> jono: you can call me if you want if you want to just test your end of empathy
[05:56] <jono> ccheney, what is your contact address?
[06:00]  * ccheney heads off to bed, bbl
[06:22] <ojwb> jono; if it's SIP, there's an echo test at sip:500@ekiga.net
[09:31] <DigitalDarkness> Evening Everyone, I noticed today that OpenSuSE team is working on a "build-a-bear" distro thing on the web where you build and customize your own distro? Has there been any talks about ubuntu trying anything like this out?
[11:03] <happyaron> hi, anyone can pay some attention about this latex-related bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/texlive-bin/+bug/413964
[11:31] <Ampelbein> happyaron: this is related to bug 410242, having the same root cause. A debdiff is attached there which fixes that and needs sponsoring by a core-developer
[11:33] <Ampelbein> happyaron: you can also test the package in the mentioned ppa, which should fix your issue, too.
[11:34] <happyaron> Ampelbein: but I want 'tor' package to be added to karmic, without it be corrected, I cannot upload it, :(
[11:35] <Ampelbein> happyaron: yeah, i'm waiting for it being sponsored, too.
[11:36] <happyaron> Ampelbein: without a right pdfTex, the document of tor package cannot be fully included, other things about tor are done and tested and I decide to maintain it for ubuntu if possible
[11:40] <happyaron> Ampelbein: when will it update to the new one?
[11:41] <Ampelbein> cjwatson: hi there, do you happen to have time to review bug 410242?
[13:13] <cjwatson> Ampelbein: I'm on holiday until next week, so would prefer it be somebody else
[13:14] <happyaron> cjwatson: i need that fix to build tor package in fact
[13:15]  * ogra wonders why the armel queue isnt being processed .... buildds are idle but 67 builds in queue
[13:17] <cjwatson> happyaron: right, and I need a break :-)
[13:17] <cjwatson> lots of other core devs
[13:18] <happyaron> cjwatson: any of core devs can help?
[13:18] <ogra> cjwatson, go away from the kbd then, enjoy the sun !
[13:18] <cjwatson> happyaron: yes
[13:18] <happyaron> cjwatson: thanks, enjoy holidays!
[13:19] <ogra> happyaron, did you subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors to your bug ? if not, do that and someone will jump in
[13:19]  * ogra points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[13:20] <happyaron> ogra: not yet
[13:20] <Ampelbein> happyaron: 410292 has the sponsors subscribed
[13:20] <Ampelbein> err. 410242
[13:20] <happyaron> oh
[13:24] <Ampelbein> cjwatson: no problem, i'll find someone else. enjoy your holiday.
[13:24] <happyaron> it was reported on Aug, 7th, but nobody fixed the package till now
[13:43] <ogra> Ampelbein, looks good, uploaded
[13:46] <Ampelbein> ogra: very cool, thanks.
[14:05] <directhex> hm. what's the standard rate for bribery for the TB election?
[14:07] <happyaron> ogra: when will it available?
[14:37] <ScottK> directhex: Standard rate is to pay for voting for the other guy.
[14:40] <asac> urgh. apt-get dist-upgrade crashes now for me :/ .. http://paste.ubuntu.com/253663/
[14:40] <asac> i guess no updates till mvo is back ;)
[14:42] <asac> hmm ubuntu-bug /var/crash.../ -> invalid problem report ... no such file or directory
[14:42] <directhex> sladen, poke poke
[14:42] <Ampelbein> asac: try aptitude?
[14:42] <asac> Ampelbein: no. need to keep it this way
[14:42] <asac> to debug
[14:43] <asac> in case its a database state thing or something
[14:43] <Ampelbein> ah, ok.
[14:43] <directhex> sladen, can you take a look at taoframework from sid? it's about a year newer than what's in karmic, and you're the one who's ubuntu'd that package before
[15:25] <andresmujica> themuso: hi, about the bug #409759 i've found several variations of it (muted after boot, changing output throu pavucontrol).  The most common one is the jack sensing not working. This is a pulseaudio problem and not a kernel one *in most cases*.  for example bug #410769 that's being workd by crimsun, I was planning to use as metabug the one you're working on for the muting variation and the other one for the pavucontrol route.  wh
[15:27] <ion> andresmujica: 1:0.9.16~test4-0ubuntu6 fixed the issue for me. The headphone output is now available in Sound Preferences.
[15:31] <crimsun> the more adventurous types will likely want to track the ~ubuntu-audio-dev PPA anyhow.
[15:32] <andresmujica> ion: but you're getting automatic audio routing? or you are selecting manually the output?
[15:33] <ion> andresmujica: I have to switch it manually. I complained about that in the bug report. But at least i no longer have to enable the headphone output with alsamixer.
[15:33] <andresmujica> ion: that's the point, the regression is the lack of jack autosensing.  It should be route automatically
[15:34] <crimsun> be careful when you're triaging those, because you need two separate test cases
[15:34] <crimsun> you need to be able to reproduce it without pulseaudio running (i outlined the procedure in #ubuntu-audio-help earlier)
[15:34] <ion> I’ll upgrade to the PPA version. Let’s see what happens. :-)
[15:36] <crimsun> ion: if you're being bitten by the analog devices/idt/sigmatel regression, i doubt the new PA version in our PPA will make any difference
[15:36] <ion> crimsun: It would be nice if the Git commit-IDs in the changelog had the beginning of the commit message (whatever fits on the line) just after the ID.
[15:37] <ion> 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
[15:37] <crimsun> ion: test5 is imminent, so it won't be that useful, but sure, i can hack that in
[15:38] <crimsun> ion: (/proc/asound/card*/codec*)
[15:39] <jdstrand> crimsun: hi! is there anything more I need to do with bug #400682? I checked the new kernel changelog, and it wasn't immediately apparnt that the fix was in there
[15:39] <ion> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/f50f9d481
[15:40] <ion> crimsun: Ditto (with the commit-ID vs. the commit message) with the udev changelog entry. :-)
[15:41] <crimsun> jdstrand: i don't know offhand if manoj make public any kernel debs with those fixes, but that's what you need. the linux sitting in NEW does not contain those fixes.
[15:41] <jdstrand> :/
[15:41] <jdstrand> crimsun: ok, thanks
[15:42] <crimsun> ion: scott already rejected my proposal to backport the changeset; it's off my plate now
[16:06] <crimsun> jdstrand: have i asked you to try the enable_msi=1 option for snd-hda-intel?
[16:06] <jdstrand> crimsun: not that I recall
[16:06] <jdstrand> crimsun: I can and will report back in the bug
[16:06] <crimsun> jdstrand: thanks
[16:06] <sebner> jdstrand: would you mind sponsoring an important sync-fix?
[16:07] <jdstrand> sebner: what?
[16:07] <sebner> jdstrand: bug #414072, fixes breakage with automake 1.11
[16:08] <jdstrand> sebner: sure
[16:08] <sebner> jdstrand: Thank you :)
[16:10] <jdstrand> sebner: done
[16:10] <sebner> jdstrand: great! Less breakage in the archive! :D
[16:11] <jdstrand> :)
[16:17] <sladen> directhex: if taoframework is a year old, I wonder why it didn't get synched for jaunty
[16:18] <directhex> sladen, it's been ubuntu1'd for one thing
[16:18] <sebner> sync! sync! sync! ... jdstrand will do it :P
[16:27] <iulian> jdstrand: Yes, please sync 5.831-1 (libwww-perl).
[16:28] <iulian> jdstrand: Please acknowledge it as well.  I'm not a member of core-dev.
[16:29] <sladen> jdstrand: Please sync taoframework and drop Ubuntu patches  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/taoframework/+bug/414087
[16:30] <sladen> directhex: okay, so Debian was at a FTPFS 2007 snapshot uploaded in 2008, and has now jumped straight to a 2009 snapshot uploaded in 2009 :)
[16:30] <directhex> sladen, i.e. sam's come back from the dead & uploaded an update
[18:34] <Laney> is there a key to get the grub menu to appear?
[18:39] <Laney> ah, editing the config
[18:40] <stennve> i cant get my soundcards to work with alsa but is there a supported devices list uner pulseaudio because neither cards are supported in the list of alsa?
[18:42] <stennve> using a hp dv6 1105ee laptop
[19:40] <cjwatson> Laney: escape
[19:40] <cjwatson> Laney: (as posted to ubuntu-devel-announce)
[19:40] <cjwatson> Laney: oh, whoops, apparently I didn't post that detail :)
[19:40] <Laney> cjwatson: ;)
[19:41] <cjwatson> Laney: it'll change anyway, Mark wants it to be a zero timeout but to let you get to the menu by holding shift as you come out of the bios
[19:41] <Laney> yeah that sounds reasonable
[19:41] <cjwatson> obviously only for people who aren't dual-booting
[19:41] <Laney> is the text about tab completion going to go away?
[19:41] <cjwatson> yeah
[19:41] <cjwatson> well, either that or I get fired ;-)
[19:43] <cjwatson> there are just some slight difficulties getting rid of it right now because the config file hasn't been read yet at that point
[19:43] <cjwatson> so I have some reordering work to do
[19:49] <Laney> good luck
[22:37] <ScottK> ogra: Did you even find out why the armel buildd's are stalled?
[23:26] <crimsun_> jdstrand: i'm spinning new kernels tonight, will ping you tomorrow