[00:03] <doctormo> How are people today? good?
[00:07] <pleia2> good good, you?
[00:09] <bodhi_zazen> not bad
[00:09] <bodhi_zazen> I am working on an outline for a course for new users
[00:09] <bodhi_zazen> re: installing Ubuntu
[00:10] <bodhi_zazen> a few links and general info re wubi, desktop, alternate CD
[00:10] <bodhi_zazen> root, installing stuff
[00:10] <bodhi_zazen> linky to wiki to fill in details
[00:36] <doctormo> pleia2: thanks for the great comment
[00:37] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: Did you see any of the notes I posted to BiosElement yesterday?
[00:37] <pleia2> doctormo: sure thing, I'm afraid that argument is raised often within debian
[00:37] <pleia2> I still contribute to debian, but ugh, I don't interact with the community much for fear of being yelled at
[00:37] <bodhi_zazen> no doctormo
[00:37] <bodhi_zazen> where ?
[00:42] <doctormo> pleia2: The problem with some computer people is that they think that everyone should conform to the same inhuman human interactions. Rudeness isn't considered a problem because it excuses one's own rudeness.
[00:42] <pleia2> doctormo: yeah, I think that's certainly part of the problem
[00:42] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: I may point you to the logs, or to BiosElement, depending on where he's at with processing all those notes. Basically I laid out how I'm making courses, step by step and development
[00:43] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: We were talking about splitting the process, so development is done via bzr and publication is done by moodle via an opinioned or elected chief editor.
[00:44] <bodhi_zazen> nice
[00:44] <bodhi_zazen> you should consider putting that info on a wiki page
[00:44] <bodhi_zazen> =)
[00:44] <bodhi_zazen> easier to contribute to, easier to edit, and easier to read then irc logs
[00:44] <doctormo> bodhi_zazen: It's going to be a course, just like all the others :-D
[00:44] <bodhi_zazen> I am sure the process will be a FAQ
[00:44] <doctormo> That was why I noted it all down to BiosElement
[00:45] <bodhi_zazen> who or what is BiosElement ?
[00:45] <doctormo> A user in this irc channel
[00:45]  * doctormo points to users list
[00:45] <doctormo> He's a new person, enthusastic to be writing some core "how to teach" classes.
[00:46] <doctormo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/TeachingTopics <- this is the topics page. I figured that we can make development and contributation easier by treating it like a class.
[00:48] <bodhi_zazen> I will have to look at that later => dinner time
[04:54] <sagaci> Straight into the Ubuntu Desktop topics, one of the first ideas in the contents is "Introduction to the Command Line"... is this necessary in the Desktop/Beginner course, and even if it is, would it be better introducing it later (toward the end of the table of contents)?
[05:03] <bodhi_zazen> I think a basic introduction is necessary yes
[05:04] <bodhi_zazen> this might be as simple as how to open a terminal and an explanation of what bash is
[05:04] <bodhi_zazen> Perhaps how to get help / man pages
[05:05] <bodhi_zazen> I am not sure avoiding the command line is such a good idea
[05:05] <bodhi_zazen> but I do not think we need to go into detailed shell scripting =)
[05:08] <sagaci> yeah, maybe we have different ideas of what desktop means but I think we should be avoiding the cli in this course, or at least until the basis of the GUI apps have been demonstrated.
[05:37] <bodhi_zazen> Opening a terminal is a gui and is a faq on the forums
[05:38] <bodhi_zazen> I do not think the cli is to be avoided at all costs and in my experience it is best to show / teach both a gui and cli solution to an issue or problem
[05:38] <bodhi_zazen> that way the cli is not hidden or make separate
[05:41] <bodhi_zazen> The way you suggest, avoiding the cli at all costs, and then trying to teach the cli in some kind o mega session has not worked so well for me
[05:41] <bodhi_zazen> You kind of need something to do with the cli
[05:41] <bodhi_zazen> so it is better to include a little information on the cli in every session
[05:42] <bodhi_zazen> IMO
[05:50] <qq88888> 大家好
[06:12] <sagaci> well i guess people who think cli will slow them down / unnecessary can just skip it temporarily
[07:57] <doctormo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-learning-materials
[12:48] <pleia2> doctormo: bzr: ERROR: Cannot lock LockDir(lp-45207824:///~doctormo/ubuntu-learning-materials/trunk/.bzr/branchlock): Transport operation not possible: readonly transport
[12:49] <pleia2> when I try to commit, now it is possible I'm doing something wrong since I am a bit of a bzr newbie :)
[12:50] <pleia2> anyway, I'm off for the weekend
[12:50]  * pleia2 roadtrip
[16:40] <doctormo> pleia2: lol, just giving that a quick go before the weekend :-)
[16:47] <albasheers> hello everyone
[17:27] <doctormo> hey albasheers