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rowinggolferI've just done my first dput.00:12
rowinggolferhow long before I see the good stuff in my ppa?00:12
wgrantrowinggolfer: You'll receive a message within 5 minutes if you signed it properly.00:13
wgrantIf it's accepted, it'll appear on your PPA page and start building within five seconds.00:14
wgrantAnd be visible to apt within five minutes of the build completing successfully.00:14
rowinggolferah... I got a rejection.00:15
wgrantOf what variety?00:15
rowinggolferI got the path wrong :(00:16
wgrantrowinggolfer: Ubuntu Jaunty and above don't need manual configuration.00:16
wgrantJust 'dput ppa:username/ppa blah_source.changes'00:16
rowinggolferI did this00:17
rowinggolferdput ppa:rowinggolfer/ppa openmolar_0.1.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes00:17
wgrantWhat was the error?00:18
rowinggolferould not find a PPA named 'openmolar' for 'rowinggolfer'.00:19
rowinggolferI think my .dput.cf was incorrect00:20
wgrantYou don't need anything in your .dput.cf.00:20
rowinggolferah.00:21
rowinggolferwgrant - I think this needs updating then ??00:26
rowinggolferhttps://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading00:26
wgrantrowinggolfer: Indeed, although there are now instructions directly on the PPA page.00:27
rowinggolfertrue that.00:27
wgrantJaunty is only a few months old, so it's not terribly surprising that the page hasn't been updated.00:28
rowinggolferok, so i _think_ I've uploaded it correctly00:30
rowinggolferbut nothing back yet.00:30
rowinggolferno news is good news?00:30
wgrantWait another few minutes.00:31
wgrantYou probably just missed the last upload processor.00:31
rowinggolferok.00:32
rowinggolferI wondered if I'd stuffed up because this is a new package?00:32
rowinggolfermissed some random "initial upload" variable off somewhere00:33
wgrantIf you got a rejection message the first time, you should get something this time.00:33
wgrantTHere's nothing like that.00:33
rowinggolferok. I'll go put the kettle on.00:33
rowinggolferthanks wgrant00:33
wgrantrowinggolfer: Still nothing :(00:36
rowinggolferwgrant: nope :(00:43
wgrantrowinggolfer: No email?00:44
rowinggolferno.00:44
rowinggolferand if I try uploading again, I get this00:44
rowinggolferneil@neil-12inch:~/openmolar$ dput ppa:rowinggolfer/ppa openmolar_0.1.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes00:44
rowinggolferAlready uploaded to ppa on ppa.launchpad.net00:44
rowinggolferDoing nothing for openmolar_0.1.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes00:44
wgrantrowinggolfer: That's just a local check; give dput '-f' to override.00:45
rowinggolferok00:45
rowinggolferwgrant: getting there00:54
rowinggolferdifferent rejection message :(00:54
wgrantSection this time?00:55
rowinggolferno, my changelog was duff00:57
wgrantAh.00:57
rowinggolferopenmolar (0.1.2-0ubuntu1) unstable; urgency=low00:57
wgrantAre you using 'dch' to edit the changelog?00:58
rowinggolfera little bit of debian in there ;)00:58
rowinggolfermy app is pretty agnostic00:58
rowinggolferworks on hardy and jaunty00:58
rowinggolferdo I have to be specific though?00:58
wgrantrowinggolfer: You do. But you would normally give the lowest series -- in this case 'hardy'01:02
rowinggolferthanks.01:02
wgrantIt gets a bit more complicated than that, but we'll get to that later.01:03
rowinggolferok, uploading again.01:05
wgrantrowinggolfer: What went wrong this time?01:13
rowinggolferopenmolar_0.1.2-0ubuntu1.dsc: Unknown section 'office'01:14
rowinggolfergrr01:14
wgrantDo you know where to find the list of valid sections?01:14
rowinggolfernope01:15
wgrantrowinggolfer: Bottom of section 2.4 at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections01:16
rowinggolferjust found that01:17
rowinggolfergonna plump for "misc"01:17
wgrantHard to say :(01:18
rowinggolferI should be sectioned.01:20
rowinggolferthis is a chore.01:20
rowinggolferaccepted :)01:26
wgrantBut will it build?01:27
rowinggolfergood question indeed.01:28
rowinggolferwee clocky icon is spinning01:28
wgrantrowinggolfer: Did you try building the package locally?01:32
rowinggolferyes01:35
rowinggolferbut success or fail, I need to get to bed.01:36
rowinggolferthanks for your help again wgrant01:36
rowinggolfer(bum - it failed)01:37
rowinggolfergoodnight01:37
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poolieis staging meant to be down?06:32
wgrantIt has been down quite a bit lately :(06:37
wgrantUpdates were off for three days, and it just updated for the first time a couple of hours ago, so something was up.06:38
pooliei guess it's no emergency06:54
gourrecently i read  http://changelog.complete.org/archives/1123-free-software-project-hosting review which is git-oriented, i.e. looking for a hosting with good git support. i was playing a lot with bzr wanting to migrate (from darcs) but returned back and, considering there are no real hosting solutions with darcs-supported, wonder if LP could be a good one by using darcs-fast-export(import) which is recently merged into bzr-fastimport07:55
gourplugin?07:55
gourany chance of darcs-support be added to LP's import considering that darcs-fast-export(import) is now bundled?08:04
gouri.e. any chance that https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+bug/44455 gets higher priority?08:33
ubottuUbuntu bug 44455 in launchpad-code "Support for darcs" [Low,Triaged]08:33
spivgour: my guess is, simply because there isn't much demand for it.  You could do the conversion yourself and push the result to Launchpad, of course.08:34
spiv"my guess is no", I meant :)08:35
spiv(Clearly I should be avoiding my laptop on weekends!)08:35
gourspiv: yeah, i'm aware of it...still having automatic import would be nice, especially considering that darcs support is now bundled in bzr-fastimprt plugin08:35
gourit's kind of catch-22...there is no demand 'cause the feature isn't there...08:36
goursimilar to support for other DVCS & other project hostings...e.g. SF got some support to late :-)08:37
spivWell, there's also far fewer projects using darcs than cvs, svn and probably git.08:37
gours/to late/too late08:37
spivAlso, it sounds like you want two-way conversions, not just one-way?08:38
gourthat's right, but doesn't having fast-import support greatly simplifies the task08:38
gourwell, darcs-fast-export(import) give opportunity for 2-way, but just having ability to push from darcs repo and provide public bzr branches on LP would be nice as well08:39
spivIt might, but I'd have to check with the guys that actually implement the vcs imports in Launchpad before assuming that the existence of the fastimport plugin is the bulk of the work.08:39
spivI think 2-way would be a bit problematic unless roundtripping is 100% accurate.08:40
gourthank you for considering it. :-)08:40
spivWell, it's not up to me :)08:40
gourvmiklos did a great work with his darcs-fast-export and ian bundled it - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr-fastimport/+bug/23217708:42
ubottuUbuntu bug 232177 in bzr-fastimport "Better darcs support needed" [Medium,Fix released]08:42
rowinggolferI'm struggling to get a working deb of my project following the instructions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python12:03
rowinggolfernot sure where to look for help.12:03
rowinggolferit seems to me that there are so many ways to bake a *.deb12:04
rowinggolferthat a lot of the information around online is contradictory.12:04
rowinggolferthat howto suggests python-central scripts in the debian/rules12:04
rippsIs the launchpad buildfarm frozen? I've had a package that takes about 5 minutes to build in there for almost 30 minutes12:04
rowinggolferripps: the launchpad guys are quite good at putting a warning in the room topic if that happens.12:05
rowinggolferI don't see one there at the moment12:05
rowinggolferalthough perhaps I broke the farm with my attempts??12:05
micahgI noticed the Add Comment button missing on edge12:07
rippsrowinggolfer: I doubt it, I've sent over 80 packages there in a matter of minutes it handle it without a problem12:07
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happyaronPPA building machines seems not working properly12:18
micahgis an update happening on edge12:41
micahgI can no longer see subscribers or the Add Comment button12:42
wgrantcprov: Can you kick buildd-manager?12:44
wgrantIt seems to have been dead for an hour, right after ripps' builds were dispatched.12:45
wgrantmicahg: edge hasn't updated for many days, and is working fine for me.12:46
micahgugh, so maybe my session is messed up?12:47
happyaronmy small package is building for over an hour, it usually takes no more than 15 minutes12:49
wgranthappyaron: Right, things are broken.12:51
wgrantmicahg: More likely your browser.12:51
happyaronwgrant: what we can do is just wait and wait, :)12:52
wgranthappyaron: I'm afraid so.12:53
micahgwgrant: restarted my browser and all is well13:01
lfaraoneWould LP's distro functionality work for a mini-distro that used RPMs?13:08
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micahgare the tags for bugs supposed to show all tags in other tags or just certain ones?13:11
wgrantlfaraone: No. LP both doesn't really support other distros at the moment, and certainly not RPM-based ones.13:16
wgrantmicahg: In the tags list on the right of the bug listing?13:16
micahgyep13:16
micahgthere are official tags13:16
micahgand other tags13:16
micahgI would expect other tags to show all other tags13:16
wgrantmicahg: It only shows the most popular i-forget-how-many.13:17
wgrantmicahg: It used to show all of them, but Ubuntu has many many thousands of tags.13:17
micahg1013:17
wgrantSo it was very, very unwieldy and long.13:17
micahgwasn't one of the new features of 2.2.7 to be able to search for tags with +tag in the search boxz?13:18
wgrantmicahg: No. But 2.2.5 or 2.2.6 brought advanced tag searches. Let me find the blog post..13:18
wgranthttp://blog.launchpad.net/bug-tracking/searching-bugs-with-tags-now-with-wings13:19
micahgugh13:21
micahgI can't do *tag13:21
micahgI still have to use advanced search to search for a specific tag13:22
wgrantOr click on the link down the side.13:22
micahgyes, but they're not all down the side13:22
micahgis it possible to make tag* an official tag13:22
wgranttag*?13:22
micahglike if I wanted fixed-*, is that possible?13:22
wgrantNo. * is not a partial wildcard. *blah isn't possible.13:23
micahghow about at the end13:23
micahgfixed-*13:23
wgrantI don't think so.13:25
micahgis it possible to custommize how many tags I see on the side?13:29
wgrantNo, but it will show you as many official tags as exist.13:29
micahgshould I mark a bug confirmed if I have the same problem in malone?13:34
wgrantmicahg: You should mark the bug as affecting you.13:34
micahgok13:34
micahgdid that already13:35
micahgthat reminds me of another bug :)13:35
lfaraoneDoes apport require users to create a launchpad account?13:35
lfaraoneI'm thinking of deploying it in an enviornment when it wouldn't be realistic for each user to have their own LP account. (collecting information on a product used in primary schools)13:36
wgrantlfaraone: apport's Launchpad backend does, but its backends are pluggable.13:37
lfaraonewgrant: Well, I'd want to use launchpad with apport.13:48
wgrantlfaraone: Then yes, each user needs a Launchpad account.13:49
wgrantSo it is not well-suited to your situation.13:49
cprovwgrant: uhm, is buildd-manager still broken ? I've just seen a bunch of job dispatched.13:57
* cprov brb14:01
wgrantcprov: A whole lot of buildds just reappeared, and things seem to be moving again.14:01
wgrantSo somebody is poking around.14:01
happyaronwgrant: yes, I get three build failed mail, :(14:01
cprovwgrant: they is always someone using the builders shared with 'enablement' services.14:02
cprovanyway, I will be online again in 10.14:02
wgrantcprov: So, it all seems resolved, but it might be nice to look at why it was hung for a couple of hours.14:03
happyaroncprov: there will be chromium daily build, and it use up almost all resource in a time14:03
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rowinggolferwgrant: I am "dput-ing" again, and confident the thing will build this time.16:51
rowinggolferbut we all know that confidence comes before a fall :(16:51
intellectronicahi micahg18:34
micahghi intellectronica18:35
intellectronicamicahg: so, why do you think subscribing people automatically can be a problem? I think that it's quite rare for someone to comment on a bug and not want (or need) to stay in the discussion18:35
micahgwell, because the person might already be subscribed to bug mail for that project/package18:35
intellectronicamicahg: so? in that case nothing special will happen. they will still receive mail18:36
micahgyes, but the headers and reasons why they are subscribed will change18:36
intellectronicawe just have to make sure that the headers reflect that. i'm pretty sure they already do18:36
micahgyes, but the user might not want that18:37
micahguser might already have filters set up18:37
intellectronicamicahg: if they do change, then i think it's something we should fix. if you're subscribed to bug mail for a project, that should take precedence over a header for subscribing to an individual bug18:37
micahgno18:38
intellectronica?18:38
micahgI think the current behavior is fine18:38
micahgand proper18:38
micahgI use individual bug subscription to show that I'm active in the bug18:38
micahgbut my comment might not mean I'm active necessarily18:39
micahgwhat's wrong with 2 buttons?18:39
intellectronicamicahg: too complicated. not very user friendly18:39
* micahg liked the checkbox with submit18:39
intellectronicaalso, i have a bit of a problem with people commenting without subscribing. i think that it's extremely rare for someone to want to comment but not be aware of future discussion18:40
micahgyes, but if a person is getting thousands of e-mails a day and only NEEDS to see comments on a few, and the filters are set up to do that, this would trash their system18:41
intellectronicamicahg: well, what i'm suggesting is quite similar, behaviour-wise, to what we had before. by default you subscribe to the bug, but if you don't want that, unsubscribing is one additional click18:41
micahgi.e. team leads in Ubuntu18:41
micahgintellectronica: you'd be adversely affect people that already don't have time for the extra click18:42
intellectronicamicahg: but that's just like it used to be. people who wouldn't have time for an extra click wouldn't have had time for an extra click when it was a checkbox18:42
micahgexactly18:43
micahgand they didn't want it checked18:43
intellectronicaalso, it's better to incovenience a few users than to inconvenience most users18:43
micahgit's not the same to click while on the way down to submit, then to wait for the postback and click18:43
micahgintellectronica: you're talking about inconveniencing the heaviest users of LP18:43
intellectronicamicahg: but it was checked by default. they would have had to make an extra click to not get subscribed18:43
intellectronicamicahg: yes, that's definitely something to take into consideration. also, because i don't use filtering by headers (i use gmail) it's sometimes hard for me to get a feel for how people use them18:44
* micahg uses it to separate passive and active bugs18:45
intellectronicamicahg: still, i don't see how that in any way would be worse than what we used to have, which seems to have been working quite well18:45
* micahg subscribes to bugmail for 4 or so packages in ubuntu18:45
intellectronicaa refinement of that idea would be to provide a global, per-user, option. "[x] Automatically subscribe me to bugs I comment on"18:46
micahgintellectronica: much better18:47
micahgand you can enable that by default18:47
intellectronicai hate doing that, though. i think that ideally we should have one behaviour that works as best as possible for everyone18:47
micahgthen it's one click for the maintainers18:47
micahgintellectronica: people use the system differently18:47
* micahg used to have 1 bug folder18:47
* micahg now has 2 bug folders18:47
micahgheavier users needs to filter whereas normal users do not18:48
intellectronicaanother thing we could do is provide the header twice. once for your structural subscription and once for the direct subscription. then it's up to you to set up the filters that work best for you18:49
micahgwell, that would confuse current filters and make filtering more complicated18:50
intellectronicamicahg: but still, what i don't manage to understand is how what i'm suggesting would be any worse than what we already have. in both cases you get subscribed by default and need one single additional click if you rather not subscribe18:50
micahgit's where the click is18:51
micahgone is before the postback and in the flow18:51
micahgone is after the postback and requires scrolling back up18:51
intellectronicaah no, i'm not suggesting you have to scroll back. i'm suggesting something like "Thank you for your comment. You have been subscribed to mail notifications for future comments on the bug. Click <a href='unsubscribe'>here</a> to unsubscribe."18:52
hggdhthat might work as well, micahg18:53
micahgagain, you have to wait for another postback18:53
intellectronicamicahg: not really, since it can use XHR the interaction will be very fast18:54
hggdhand, in fact, although Status and Importance are now ajaxable, Assigned is not, and the option to add a comment and subscribe is there18:55
micahgpost a comment now takes a few seconds to show up18:55
intellectronicahggdh: setting assignee (and changing bug target) will be ajaxified very shortly (as in, sometime early next week)18:55
intellectronicamicahg: i know. there's a bug for that. it will most definitely be improved18:56
intellectronicait's because of a limitation of how we do rendering on the server and getting it using the webservice api. we know how to solve that but haven't gotten to it yet18:57
intellectronicaanyway, gotta go18:57
micahgintellectronica: I suggest you talk to some of the package managers in ubuntu18:58
micahgthey'll know best how they use it18:58
intellectronicamicahg: if it's ok with you, i'd like to paste the above into the bug. i don't have time to summerisze right now and i think it was a very useful discussion18:58
intellectronicamicahg: indeed, that's a good idea18:58
* micahg doesn't need to speak for people that have no problem stating their own opinions :)18:58
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dsprenkelsHello?23:11
thumperHello23:23
exarkun<jericho> there was a bug in reporting the bug23:34
exarkun<jericho> so there was a timeout error23:34
exarkun<jericho> forget it23:34
exarkun* jericho has quit (giving up on an attempt to help improve free software)23:35
exarkunhth, hand23:36
wgrantProbably the dupefinder, as usual...23:40

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