[00:01] <nzmm> Sorry to ask this here; does gnome have a way to auto-mount a drive on login?  I have an NTFS drive which i mount via fstab, but i dont get trash functionality.  Just curious...
[00:01] <crimsun_> djzn: no, you wouldn't.
[00:02] <djzn> crimsun: basically, the ext4 partition would be exactly the same, as in every single bit.... ?   and the only MODIFYING part was going to be the TOOLS, which is the active binary on how to handle bugs etc....
[00:03] <djzn> crimsun: the analogy is... kinda like... Win2K would create NTFS 3.0 partitions.... WinXP would create NTFS 3.1 partitions.... Vista has another version level of NTFS.... is this happening with ext4 too?
[00:04] <BUGabundo> nzmm: take a look at ntfs-config
[00:04] <nzmm> thnx
[00:05] <crimsun_> djzn: there are no feature additions at the spec level between jaunty's and karmic's ext4
[00:05] <djzn> crimsun_: changes only on the tools, the binary side
[00:05] <crimsun_> djzn: no, the kernel side has stability fixes, too
[00:06] <djzn> they are two separate parts... the filesystem itself, and the kernel side....
[00:06] <djzn> the filesystem itself has not changed at all....
[00:07] <crimsun_> djzn: we're talking past each other
[00:07] <crimsun_> djzn: in short, you won't have any problems
[00:08] <djzn> crimsun_: and in long...
[00:09] <crimsun_> djzn: see above regarding feature additions (kernel-side)
[00:58]  * penguin42 yawns
[00:59] <andresmh> argh, these pulseaudio issues are driving me a bit nuts
[00:59] <bjsnider> why is he sometimes dtchen and sometimes crimsun? it is highly confusing
[01:00]  * penguin42 hadn't realised they were the same person
[01:00] <penguin42> andresmh: What's it currently doing to you?
[01:00] <andresmh> well, my mic is not working
[01:00] <BUGabundo> penguin42: LOLOLOL
[01:01] <penguin42> mics seem to be a common problem, we have loads of people say that - I only try to get output to work
[01:02] <andresmh> I tried hard to revert to previous version of pulseaudio but I can't :(
[01:03] <andresmh> for some strange reason libpulse0's dependencies are things like gnome, and ubuntu-desktop which in turn have other dependencies that scare me to remove
[01:03] <penguin42> if it's something like mike are you sure it's not kernel/alsa ?
[01:04] <andresmh> i'm not 100% sure, all I know is that it stopped working after a pulse update
[01:04] <andresmh> but it is possible it's related to kernel/alsa
[01:04] <andresmh> how can I find out?
[01:04] <penguin42> it was a pulse upgrade without a kernel/alsa upgrade?
[01:05] <andresmh> i think so
[01:06] <andresmh> here are the packages that i think are the culprits: http://serverfault.com/questions/52029/how-to-force-downgrade-of-packages-on-ubuntu-karmic
[01:06] <andresmh> but it is possible i didn't notice alsa upgrades
[01:07] <penguin42>  /var/log/dpkg.log has a list of packages that have been upgraded
[01:07] <andresmh> not sure how to know for sure who to blame though, here is my log: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285483/tmp/dpkg.log
[01:08] <andresmh> i've done a couple of updates since mic stopped working
[01:08] <penguin42> andresmh: And when do you reckon it broke?
[01:08] <andresmh> i think it was around Aug 8
[01:09] <andresmh> since then I tried removing some pulse packages and reinstalling them
[01:10] <andresmh> here's my alsamixer screen: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285483/tmp/screenshot5.png
[01:11] <penguin42> andresmh: The only kernel upgrade I can see happened on the 6th
[01:11] <andresmh> i guess i can try and reboot with the previous kernel and test the mic
[01:12] <andresmh> yeah, let me do that, brb :)
[01:17] <andresmh> umm, for some reason,  at boot time, I was not presented with the screen that lets you choose a particular kernel version
[01:17] <andresmh> is that called grub?
[01:17] <penguin42> yeh - someone said that earlier
[01:18] <andresmh> so i guess i cannot easily try booting on a previous kernel version
[01:18] <andresmh> :(
[01:19]  * penguin42 goes to bed
[01:20] <drs305> andresmh: If you don't see the grub menu when booting, try hitting the ESC key early on during boot. It should pause to show you the grub menu. If you have more than one kernel, it should give you the choice.
[01:21] <andresmh> thanks drs305. Is this the new behavior or is it a bug?
[01:24] <drs305> I can't remember how grub 2 sets up the initial menu. I just joined the channel and don't even know which grub you are using.
[01:25] <drs305> andresmh: If you are using grub 2, the file to edit is /etc/default/grub. there is a timeout listing and you would want to change it to something other than 0.
[01:26] <andresmh> drs305, I have whatever version is the latest one in the Karmic repos.  I remember a few days ago I was still getting the prompt to select a partcular kernel.
[01:26] <andresmh> ah, in /etc/default/grub I have GRUB_TIMEOUT=0
[01:27] <BUGabundo> drs305: that changed with karmic and grub2
[01:27] <BUGabundo> I think now its SHIFT
[01:28] <andresmh> BUGabundo, SHIFT instead of ESC?
[01:28] <BUGabundo> shift
[01:28] <BUGabundo> for grub2
[01:28] <BUGabundo> *I think*
[01:28] <BUGabundo> not sure on the shortcut
[01:29] <drs305> SHIFT may work but I have still used ESC.
[01:29] <BUGabundo> not anymore
[01:29] <drs305> andresmh: Change that value, then run "sudo update-grub" for it to take effect the next time you boot.
[01:34] <andresmh> drs305, alright, done. Will reboot
[01:37] <yacc> Anyway to disable the Ubuntu "branding" in firefox on a per user basis?
[01:37] <yacc> Specifically the broken "custom google search" functionality, ...
[01:58] <EruditeHermit> hi, does anyone experience rebooting without going to the grub screen in karmic?
[02:00] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo :)
[02:00] <BUGabundo> hey
[02:00] <BUGabundo> what can I help you with kklimonda?
[02:01] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I've ditched gafyd and now I'm trying to recreate my roster
[02:03] <BUGabundo> ahahaahahhaha
[02:03] <coz_> you know guys ...I may have mentioned this before ...the default cursor theme for ubuntu should be this one  http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ubuntu+Crystal+Cursors?content=66327
[02:03] <coz_> I have been using it for some time and find it real appropriate for ubuntu
[02:04] <Tekno> morning
[02:05] <ToHellWithGA> has karmic fully transitioned intel video to... whatever's next?
[02:06] <BUGabundo> Tekno: 2am here :)
[02:06] <Tekno> hehe 4 am here
[02:06] <ToHellWithGA> i'm hesitant about moving my slow, old desktop to a prerelease distribution in case some hardware is broken
[02:07] <ToHellWithGA> in this case though, the release version has a horribly broken video module :)
[02:07] <BUGabundo> Tekno: that's an hell of an hour to wake up and say morning :)
[02:07] <BUGabundo> ToHellWithGA: have you ever hear of livecd/usb?
[02:08] <ToHellWithGA> i have
[02:08] <ToHellWithGA> i don't typically try to test graphics on a live CD
[02:08] <BUGabundo> then you don't need to be afrain
[02:08] <ToHellWithGA> i'll give it a go though
[02:08] <ToHellWithGA> glxgears should be enough to see if the video is still jumpy
[02:08] <ToHellWithGA> thanks for the idea, BUGabundo
[02:08] <BUGabundo> ToHellWithGA: USB is better, faster and requires no media :)
[02:08] <BUGabundo> np
[02:08] <ToHellWithGA> it requires media
[02:09] <ToHellWithGA> <- no USB keys available
[02:09] <BUGabundo> totally OT what does your nick stand for?
[02:09] <BUGabundo> ToHellWithGA: ah :)
[02:09] <ToHellWithGA> it's a Georgia Tech thing
[02:09] <ToHellWithGA> the university (sic) of georgia is our arch-rival
[02:09] <ToHellWithGA> athletically alone
[02:09] <ToHellWithGA> i graduated from GT in 2006
[02:10] <ToHellWithGA> i'll take the oT out of this channel
[02:10] <ToHellWithGA> cheers
[02:26] <bjsnider> constructing a whole nickname around a meaningless university rivalry...
[02:29] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: eheh
[02:33] <kklimonda> heh, any idea what have I done to get an error:
[02:33] <kklimonda> nvidia: Unknown symbol init_waitqueue_head
[02:33] <kklimonda> ?
[02:33] <BUGabundo> night
[02:34] <kklimonda> cleep well
[02:37] <Elmosapien> hi
[02:37] <Elmosapien> how can i make a WORLD accessible nfs drive on ubuntu server 9.10
[03:44] <Whitor> Hey... just a suggestion. Since update manager checks for update on its own w/o me entering my password... I don't think I should have to enter my password when I manually click check. ... only when I install.
[05:25] <oldude67> ok why do i still have the thing telling me that my network manager is crap and is it fixed yet?
[05:26] <nzmm> ?
[05:27] <oldude67> nzmm, im running the kde version of karmic and several updates ago i got a icon on my task bar saying that the network manager is having issues and im to use the one for kde4.
[05:56] <DPic> is there a reason why the "Add" button for a VPN is greyed out in karmic's networm connection manager?
[06:15] <DanaG> hmm, how do you deal with a system that's claiming the root is 96% full, when df and du disagree about disk usage?
[06:15] <DanaG> grr, oh, and for some reason, PA defaults to muting my offboard sound card... that is, when it even decides to let it work.
[06:17] <DanaG> hmm, how do I sort packages, from largest to smallest?
[06:17] <DanaG> or rather, find just the few largest?
[06:19] <J-_> no clue
[06:21] <crimsun> DanaG: with which packaging version of PA?
[06:21] <DanaG> Version: 1:0.9.16~test4-0ubuntu7~ppa1
[06:21] <DanaG> Oh, and it's the same udev issue, I believe.
[06:22] <crimsun> please update
[06:22] <DanaG> Did you see my paste / ping earlier today, the "no such file or directory"?
[06:22] <DanaG> shall do... /me checks for update.
[06:22] <crimsun> no, please memoserv it to me or dtchen
[06:22] <crimsun> (and yes, i pushed ~ppa2 an hour ago)
[06:52] <DanaG> yargh, for some reason, my 9800 Pro is giving me swrast.
[06:52] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f3622d416
[06:52] <DanaG> xorg log.
[06:53] <DanaG> argh, and why does PA keep muting all my sound cards?
[06:54] <crdlb> because it doesn't like your music
[06:54] <DanaG> bah.
[06:54] <richardcavell> crdlb: that's as good an answer as I've seen so far as to why Pulse Audio does such things
[06:54] <micahg> has there been any sound problem with the latest +1 updates?
[06:55] <crdlb> DanaG: if you didn't see it: [dri] radeon.o kernel module version is 2.0.0 but version 1.17.0 or newer is needed.
[06:55] <DanaG> ah, I missed that.
[06:55] <DanaG> wait, is 2.0.0 not newer than 1.17.0?  =þ
[06:55] <crdlb> I'm assuming that's just a poorly worded message
[06:56] <crdlb> a major version bump can be expected to be incompatible
[06:56] <DanaG> ah.
[06:56] <DanaG> so, just have to figure out where my kernel modules are coming from, and where my ddx is coming from.
[06:58] <DanaG> ugh, truecrypt depends on kdesudo?
[07:00] <micahg> was there any instance of one app taking control of the sound for the whole system in the last few days?
[07:05] <richardcavell> micahg: I had that
[07:05] <richardcavell> micahg: Steam/Half-Life took over my sound and wouldn't let any other app play soudns
[07:05] <richardcavell> sounds*
[07:07] <micahg> I have a firefox bug and I'd like to know if it's a karmic issue or a firefox issue
[07:10] <pblchai> empathy will replace pidgin?
[07:10] <mac_v> pblchai: yes
[07:10] <mac_v> micahg: which bug?
[07:10] <pblchai> i never see empathy
[07:10] <mac_v> pblchai: see or use ?
[07:11] <pblchai> 2
[07:11] <micahg> bug 413465
[07:12] <mac_v> micahg: the latest pulse audio updates since test2 are all messed up, so there are a lot of problems , so its karmic related
[07:12] <micahg> mac_v: do you know of a master bug I can dupe this of
[07:13] <richardcavell> micahg: I have the same problem on Karmic but it's Steam that hogs my sound
[07:16] <mac_v> micahg: this should do it > Bug #411962
[07:17] <mac_v> micahg: actually it includes all apps , i'll update the description
[07:17] <pblchai> help i want to prepare LPIC-1 test, and i dont know anyone who offer the test or help me to learn
[07:18] <DanaG> hmm, those of you with one-app-at-a-time issues, are you on 64-bit?
[07:18] <mac_v> DanaG: nope , 32-bit
[07:20] <micahg> thanks mac_v
[07:20] <mac_v> micahg: a simple workaround is $pulseaudio -k
[07:21] <micahg> mac_v:  you should add that to the bug
[07:21] <micahg> mac_v: are you familiar with !description
[07:21] <micahg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Description
[07:23] <mac_v> micahg: i reported the issue as queue , because that is the real issue , the audio is getting queued , which you notice with IM , pings or other system sounds
[07:24] <micahg> ok, but if there's an easy workaround, you should note it in the bug in case others are having an issue
[07:24] <micahg> as per the wiki link I posted
[07:25] <mac_v> micahg: hehe... i forgot about the workaround, i realized it only after reporting the bug , thanks for reminding ;)
[07:25] <micahg> that's ok, that's why we can update the description :)
[07:43] <nzmm> lol that disk usage prompt is fubar
[07:55] <mac_v> micahg: do you use  greasemonkey scripts for your replies?
[08:06] <micahg> mac_v: yes :)
[08:07] <mac_v> micahg: i'm having a tough time getting them to load :( , how do you load the scripts? selecting the "reload" doesnt seem to save the scripts
[08:07] <mac_v> i mean the replies , dont save
[08:09] <micahg> hmm
[08:09] <micahg> wanna hop in ubuntu-bugs
[08:10] <micahg> this really isn't for this channel
[08:10] <mac_v> ok
[11:00] <nzmm> hey is the medibuntu repo accessible for anyone here?
[11:04] <Steeley> medibuntu seems fine here
[11:05] <LLStarks> how do i send something to the build farm?
[11:06] <BUGabundo> hey gusy
[11:09] <nzmm> Steeley, hrmm i can read it, i get: Network is unreachable.
[11:09] <nzmm> cant*
[11:09] <oldude67> whats the link?
[11:10] <nzmm> packages.medibuntu.org
[11:11] <nzmm> I am running this sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[11:11] <nzmm> which is not connecting to the repo
[11:11] <BUGabundo> wasn't that disconetinued nzmm?
[11:11] <BUGabundo> why don't you use medibuntu?
[11:12] <nzmm> i just follewed this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
[11:12] <nzmm> well, i tried medibuntu first but i can't connect to the repo for some reason...
[11:13] <BUGabundo> you too?
[11:14] <BUGabundo> one of their servers was acting up the other day
[11:14] <nzmm> oh, Steely said he could connect to the repo, but i've had no luck since this morning :(
[11:15] <nzmm> just done a fresh install of karmic and was hoping to watch a DVD
[11:15] <oldude67> i was able to go to it just a minute ago as well.
[11:15] <BUGabundo> nzmm: what's your ISP?
[11:15] <nzmm> orcon.net.nz
[11:16] <BUGabundo> nzmm: $ grep medib /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit
[11:17] <BUGabundo> nzmm: and $ apt-cache policy libdvdcss2 | pastebinit
[11:17] <nzmm> well i dont have the repo added if thats what you wondering
[11:17] <Ian_Corne> oo didn't know about pastebinit
[11:17] <Ian_Corne> thnx :)
[11:18] <BUGabundo> np Ian_Corne. that should be in ubuntu-base toolkit :)
[11:18] <nzmm> http://pastebin.com/f271d8b3b
[11:18] <BUGabundo> nzmm: then how do you expect for it to work ? :)
[11:20] <Ian_Corne> have you apt-get updated before? :p
[11:23] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: ??
[11:23] <lifeofguenter> hi all
[11:23] <BUGabundo> hi lifeofguenter
[11:23] <Ian_Corne> well if he's on a cleanly install system
[11:24] <Ian_Corne> and didnd't apt-get update yet
[11:24] <Ian_Corne> it won't find any packages not installed yet
[11:24] <lifeofguenter> did I miss some release-log that xorg.conf will be missing in karmic?
[11:26] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: I guess we could ask nz to do $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade first, sure
[11:26] <BUGabundo> lifeofguenter: what we have is the same as in jaunty
[11:26] <BUGabundo> no need for xorg.conf 'cause most of it is auto detected now
[11:27] <lifeofguenter> but Jaunty had at least a xorg.conf existing
[11:27] <lifeofguenter> or what would be the best approach to set up a virtual big desktop with xrandr?
[11:28] <BUGabundo> lifeofguenter: gxrandr?lol
[11:28] <lifeofguenter> I used to to add SubSection "Display" with "Virtual ..." into my xorg.conf
[11:29] <BUGabundo> I guess you can still do it with xrandr
[11:29] <Ian_Corne> bah I got a warning S.M.A.R.T. has detected my root disk is going to fail
[11:29] <BUGabundo> even if you have to run dpkg reconfigure on it
[11:29] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: either that's a bug and *everyone* is getting that
[11:29] <BUGabundo> or your disk is dieying
[11:29] <Ian_Corne> yeah, :p
[11:29] <lifeofguenter> BUGabundo: no you can't you have to define your virtual screen size somewhere
[11:29] <BUGabundo> you are the 4th person I read sayung that
[11:29] <Ian_Corne> it's only like 1y old now :(
[11:30] <lifeofguenter> or you will only be able to mirror
[11:30] <lifeofguenter> $ xrandr --output VGA-0 --right-of LVDS
[11:30] <lifeofguenter> xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1400x1400 (desired size 2680x1050)
[11:30] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: age is not that important
[11:30] <Ian_Corne> only has 182days of poweron
[11:30] <Ian_Corne> well it is for me, now i have to buy a new disk faster :p
[11:30] <BUGabundo> ehh
[11:30] <Ian_Corne> running badblocks now to check it
[11:30] <BUGabundo> lifeofguenter:  "even if you have to run dpkg reconfigure on it"
[11:30] <Ian_Corne> windows's CHKDSK didn't find anything
[11:31] <lifeofguenter> hm? what should I reconfigure?
[11:31] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: it still has waranty right?
[11:31] <BUGabundo> lifeofguenter: xorg ?!??!
[11:31] <BUGabundo> it will force a new xorg.conf
[11:32] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: yeah but how to prove that it's broken, it's not failing yet
[11:32] <lifeofguenter> hm ok but can't be this somehow a default in the karmic release? I mean why are features like big-desktop via randr kicked off again?
[11:32] <Ian_Corne> and i don't want to wait till it fails to get a new one :p
[11:33] <BUGabundo> lifeofguenter: we no long *need* xorg.conf for most users, so advance users *need* to create one!!!
[11:33] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: smartctl should couf some valid warning
[11:34] <lifeofguenter> hmm I wouldn't say that dual-head setups are unusual - especially with notebooks
[11:34] <lifeofguenter> dpkg-reconfigure Xorg does not work btw.. no error but no xorg.conf
[11:34] <Ian_Corne> lifeofguenter: i don't have problems without xorg.conf with dual head setup
[11:34] <Ian_Corne> but that's using nvidia-setting
[11:34] <lifeofguenter> Ian_Corne: big desktop?
[11:34] <lifeofguenter> I don't have prolemes mirroring either, but I can attach displays besides each other
[11:35] <lifeofguenter> hm ok
[11:35] <BUGabundo> me neither
[11:36] <BUGabundo> nvidia settins wfm
[11:36] <Ian_Corne> i'm using 25??x1024 there
[11:36] <lifeofguenter> ok I am using the opensource drivers from ati
[11:36] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[11:36] <BUGabundo> I'm using the close source :\
[11:36] <lifeofguenter> I guess I will not be able to use nvidia-setting then ;)
[11:36] <Ian_Corne> it's the screen resolution thingy that's not working for you?
[11:36] <lifeofguenter> the virtual screen size
[11:37] <lifeofguenter> e.g. that my desktop goes over two monitors
[11:38] <Ian_Corne> are you using gnome-display-properties
[11:38] <lifeofguenter> kde but using the cli "xrandr"
[11:39] <Ian_Corne> well try using the gui one :)
[11:39] <Ian_Corne> kde should have an equivalent
[11:39] <lifeofguenter> yes but it basically says "you do not have multiple monitors set up" without stating where and how I can do that
[11:40] <lifeofguenter> the guis are anyway only layered on top of randr.. so using xrandr should be the same experience..
[11:41] <lifeofguenter> e.g.: http://sequel.futurs.inria.fr/loth/software/gxrandr/ on the bottom you will see what xorg.conf you will need
[11:42] <lifeofguenter> hmm maybe I will just try that and hope missing sections will be auto added
[11:45] <BUGabundo> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2a2pre) Gecko/20090815 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Namoroka/3.6a2pre ID:20090815003024
[11:45] <BUGabundo> humm Namoroka kewl
[11:57] <BUGabundo> bbl
[11:58] <Ian_Corne> If badblocks finds nothing but the SMART thing reports broken sectors
[11:58] <Ian_Corne> what should i do?
[12:01] <BUGabundo> file a bug :)
[12:02] <BUGabundo> I think it's a bug on how we detect those things :)
[12:02] <BUGabundo> or indeed you have a bad disk (hw parts) with no fisical damage on the FS (yet)
[12:02] <Ian_Corne> could be
[12:06] <Trewas> harddrives reallocate sectors (or at least try to) automatically, so it is not wrong if SMART finds problems but badblocks doesn't
[12:08] <Ian_Corne> Trewas: i read up about it
[12:08] <Ian_Corne> SMART can't see that
[12:08] <Ian_Corne> the HD does that without any other thing knowing that
[12:09] <Trewas> SMART is specifically about things internal to the HD
[12:14] <mac_v> Ian_Corne: Trewas just uncheck it from startup items...;p stupid palimpsest!
[12:15] <Ian_Corne> ?
[12:16] <mac_v> Ian_Corne: the disk check can be prevented from constantly notifying ,
[12:16] <nzmm> yea annoying
[12:16] <Trewas> mac_v: I have no problem with (incorrect) whines about broken HDs, but seems that many others do
[12:18] <mac_v> the program is crappy and the devs think they have made a perfect disk check!
[12:18] <Ian_Corne> ah so it IS buggy?
[12:18] <mac_v> Ian_Corne: just too sensitive , shouldnt bother untill there actually is a problem
[12:19] <Ian_Corne> mac_v: but that's what SMART is for, warning you a failure is imminent?
[12:20] <mac_v> yeah *imminent* , but gdu warns always!
[12:20] <aboSamoor> how can I uninstall an application that installed by compiling the source code ?
[12:20] <mac_v> Ian_Corne: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+bug/412152
[12:22] <nzmm> i wonder if we will get a working pyclutter...
[12:22] <Ian_Corne> mac_v: it's not disk utility
[12:22] <Trewas> every manufacturer reports smart values a bit differently so guessing when HD is about to break is difficult
[12:22] <Ian_Corne> palimpsest disk utility
[12:22] <Ian_Corne> not gnome
[12:22] <mac_v> Ian_Corne: its the same ;)
[12:23] <Ian_Corne> ah
[12:24] <Ian_Corne> anyone here with an ati hd 4870? :)
[12:48] <lifeofguenter> ok it seemed to work.. still can't get it running through the kde-gui but added a pseudo xorg.conf just for my virtual screen size
[13:01] <Ian_Corne> 0 badblocks..
[13:04] <regel> for some reason I cant turn my wireless card off with the switch key. Anyone else experiencing this?
[13:04] <Ian_Corne> regel: i can but it crashes the system
[13:04] <Ian_Corne> asus eee 1000h
[13:04] <regel> Packard Bell something
[13:05] <Ian_Corne> but when i reboot the wireless is off
[13:05] <Ian_Corne> and i can turn it back on with the switch
[13:05] <Ian_Corne> without crashing
[13:05] <regel> and the brightness keys seem to be doing something weird
[13:05] <Ian_Corne> wfm
[13:05] <regel> when I press Fn+F7 (brightness up), the brightness levels go like: 100% -> 70 % -> 20% -> 100 % -> 50%
[13:06] <regel> It just makes no sense
[13:06] <regel> Shouldnt it go 0-> 20 -> 40 -> 60 -> 80 -> 100 -> 100 -> 100 ?
[13:06] <regel> or is this just another "feature"?
[13:07] <regel> "funny brightness keys"
[13:09] <BUGabundo> regel: ahahah
[13:10] <regel> some nice brainstorming..
[13:10] <regel> been like this since 9.04
[13:10] <regel> and I did a fresh install
[13:11] <regel> does it run some sortof script? the Fn+f6 -combination?
[13:12] <regel> oh, well.. gotta reboot now
[13:17] <BUGabundo> anyone using chromium here?
[13:17] <BUGabundo> need a tester
[13:18] <BUGabundo> http://www.jaiku.com/channel/jaikuengine/presence/5e26f1d963a94a2a9e7e07b00d5324e8
[13:29] <lifeofguenter> BUGabundo: using google-chrome under kde if thats what you mean
[13:32] <BUGabundo> err
[13:32] <BUGabundo> need chromium
[13:32] <BUGabundo> to see if it's a bug with it
[13:32] <BUGabundo> lifeofguenter: why would you be running a close build when you have a community one, specially built for karmic?
[13:33] <lifeofguenter> you mean arora?
[13:33] <BUGabundo> no
[13:33] <BUGabundo> Chromium
[13:34] <BUGabundo> why would I be even mentioning arora???
[13:34] <lifeofguenter> dunno based on webkit both...
[13:34] <BUGabundo> https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa
[13:35] <BUGabundo> Linux kernel is  2.6.31-rc6-git1 - http://www.kernel.org/kdist/fragments/stable_snapshot.html is out
[13:35] <BUGabundo> guess we'll have a new kernel soon
[13:40] <mac_v> BUGabundo: will chromium ever become chrome ?
[13:41] <BUGabundo> of course not
[13:58] <BUGabundo> any one knows how to place an image on Compiz Expo background? can't find it
[13:59] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:59] <BUGabundo> heya BluesKaj
[13:59] <BluesKaj> hey BUGabundo
[14:01]  * penguin42 yawns
[14:01] <BluesKaj> well, I've done everything i can think of to fix this : "Cannot initiate the connection to packages.medibuntu.org:80", and I've come to the conclusion that medibuntu is overloaded , swamped , broken ...dunno which
[14:01] <penguin42> packages generally seems broken
[14:02] <penguin42> oh, packages.ubuntu.com is back - it was broken yesterday
[14:02] <BluesKaj> not the pkges the, the repos
[14:02] <penguin42> ah
[14:02] <penguin42>  http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/a/ looks fine to me
[14:03] <penguin42> (in a web browser)
[14:04] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Which address is it giving you for it?
[14:04] <BUGabundo> I just installed yesterday night NEW packages from there
[14:04] <BUGabundo> and got no connections issues
[14:05] <BUGabundo> o great
[14:05] <BUGabundo> PA dide
[14:05] <BUGabundo> time to kill it
[14:05] <BluesKaj> weird , now it connected ok
[14:05] <BUGabundo> working now
[14:06] <BluesKaj> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org karmic/free and non free
[14:07] <BluesKaj> so it's intermittent today ... guess i can live with that
[14:07] <penguin42> BluesKaj: I bet it depends which mirror you are landing on
[14:08] <penguin42> (and if I had to bet I'd say it's the ipv6...)
[14:10] <BluesKaj> here we go again with the IPv6 thing
[14:10] <penguin42> oh yes :-)
[14:12] <BluesKaj> I'm using opendns if that makes any diff
[14:13] <BluesKaj> the main medibuntu server is in france afaik ..it's the one routed from the main server
[14:19] <BluesKaj> anyway, I like to keep the media apps up to date , in case of module changes etc
[14:35] <penguin42> can anyone remember - there's a bug for firefox is flaky since a recent update - and I've got a backtrace
[14:35] <BluesKaj> pics not loading ?
[14:36] <penguin42> no, this is with nspluginwrapper - but it's a well defined crash
[14:36] <penguin42> and it's a ff crash rather than nspluginwrapper crash
[14:50] <BUGabundo> is it me or is Flash flashing on this vid http://www.youtube.com/v/3TlCGh5Pc90&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en&feature=player_embedded&fs=1 ?
[14:51] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Looks fine to me
[14:51] <penguin42> (first 20 or so seconds)
[14:51] <BUGabundo> keep watching
[14:51] <BUGabundo> I see lots of black bars and spots
[14:52] <BUGabundo> not sure its flash or nvidia driver
[14:53] <penguin42> upto 1:11 I think I saw a blink on one or two frames
[14:53] <penguin42> but very little
[14:54] <BUGabundo> lucky you
[14:54] <BUGabundo> what's your GPU and driver?
[14:54] <penguin42> intel 945G
[14:56] <penguin42> I've seen a few more - they're mostly a horizontal black bar that blinks up for a frame or so - but I'm upto 4mins and have seen less than 10
[14:57] <BUGabundo> ok
[14:57] <penguin42> (very neat image stabilisation system!)
[14:57] <BUGabundo> seen several cameras doing so
[14:58] <BUGabundo> but this is a plugin I think for virtualdub
[14:58] <andresmh> could you tell me if this bug is filed in the right place and is not missing important elements? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/409819
[15:08] <BluesKaj> andresmh, you don't have any status boxes at the bottom of your alsamixer ctrls ..maybe alsa-utils needs reinstalling
[15:09] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:09] <andresmh> umm, perhaps, do I just do reinstall from synaptic? How does your alsamixer look like?
[15:11] <Ian_Corne> lol the gnome volume control thing doesn't control all sound channels at once
[15:12] <semioticrobotic> Will Karmic include an automated backup solution?  I haven't been able to find any information about this online.
[15:12] <giovani> andresmh: http://images.google.com/images?q=alsamixer
[15:13] <andresmh> giovani, thanks. That looks very similar to mine: http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/6275/screenshot6d.png  I'm not sure what BluesKaj was referring to.
[15:19] <giovani> andresmh: he might've been referring to the lack of the <MM> section (representing mute)
[15:19] <giovani> but your alsamixer does look a little odd -- possibly just variance in your hardware though
[15:20] <andresmh> giovani, I see. Well, I remember my alsamixer looking the same way even before the regression bug.
[15:20] <giovani> then it's probably unrelated
[15:20] <giovani> (it's probably unrelated even without that fact)
[15:22] <andresmh> giovani, thanks. BTW, do you think my bug is filed correctly?  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/409819
[15:22] <giovani> andresmh: honestly, I don't know, sorry
[15:22] <andresmh> np
[15:22] <Ian_Corne> ok checked 1TB with badblocks: 0 bad block found
[15:22] <Ian_Corne> SMART still whining
[15:22] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: What's it saying?
[15:22] <giovani> what is the SMART check saying?
[15:28] <arand> Yea, palimpsest defo needs to stop spreading FUD by release...;)
[15:42] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: that I have bad sectors
[15:43] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Can you paste the output of a smartctl -a ?
[15:44] <penguin42> (to a pastebin)
[15:46] <BluesKaj> giovani, andresmh , this is what I mean : http://imagebin.ca/view/DzGwcN.html
[15:49] <Ian_Corne> not atm penguin42
[15:49] <Ian_Corne> i'll do it later
[15:52] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Badblocks can say a disc is fine even if smart is complaining; for example if your disc is getting bad sectors the drive firmware will reallocate the sectors transparently - that will set of smart counters, but because it's transparent to reading/writing badblocks will be OK
[15:53] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: But the firmware will only be able to do that for so long before you lose some data
[15:59] <Ian_Corne> aha ok didn't think smart could see that
[16:00] <Twigaathy> ick
[16:00] <penguin42> It sees counters that the firmware gives it, and one of them is how often a sector reallocate happens
[16:00] <Twigaathy> Has anybody elses evince died in a recent update?
[16:00] <Twigaathy> If I open a PDF I get a wonderful grey screen
[16:01] <Twigaathy> xpdf can open the same PDF, so it is not a corrupt PDF
[16:01] <penguin42> Twigaathy: Working fine here; has it done something odd like start up on a very high zoom
[16:01] <Twigaathy> penguin42: nope, I get the window title and controls, then the rest of the screen grey
[16:02] <Twigaathy> oh, hm...
[16:02] <Twigaathy> ** (evince:11404): WARNING **: Failed to create file '/home/twigathy/.gnome2/evince/evince-crashed.KK20YU': No such file or directory <-- Interesting!
[16:02] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: smartctl -a will give you the values of each of the counters and thresholds which indicate when bad is decided to have happened and will also give logs of any recent errors
[16:02]  * Twigaathy notes that dir does exist...
[16:03] <penguin42> isn't sure why it should
[16:04] <Ian_Corne> penguin42: the gui shows that too :p
[16:05] <penguin42> ah never seen the gui for that
[16:21] <apparle> how to configure arora
[16:22] <apparle> I am using jaunty and have installed arora...............but am unable to open any page using it
[16:24] <BUGabundo> apparle: #ubuntu+1 is for Karmic discussion
[16:24] <BUGabundo> for previous releases please visit #ubuntu
[16:24] <BUGabundo> !arora
[16:24] <BUGabundo> !package arora
[16:24] <BUGabundo> !find arora
[16:25] <BUGabundo> !info arora
[16:25] <apparle> it is the default browser in karmic so I though maybe I could get some help on it
[16:27] <mac_v> apparle: who said it was the default?
[16:27] <mac_v> ;p
[16:28] <apparle> for kubuntu
[16:28] <mac_v> ah
[16:31] <apparle> so can you help
[16:56] <rapha> Hi
[16:56] <rapha> I'm still trying to get X working with Karmic
[16:56] <penguin42> what hardware?
[16:56] <rapha> Nvidia GeForce 6600 LE
[16:57] <rapha> Works fine in both Jaunty and Windows XP
[16:57] <rapha> tried with nv, vesa and nvidia driver so far
[16:57] <rapha> (Generated xorg.conf with Xorg -configure)
[16:57] <rapha> but the best i can get is a brief nvidia logo with the nvidia driver
[16:59]  * penguin42 doesn't know the magic of nvidia
[16:59] <rapha> well it should at least work with the vesa driver
[16:59] <penguin42> yeh you'd think so
[17:00] <rapha> but the vesa driver just claims there are no suitable modes
[17:00] <penguin42> if you boot with vga=ask does it show sane modes?
[17:01]  * rapha tries
[17:01] <rapha> heh
[17:02] <rapha> "legacy 'ask' parameter no longer supported
[17:02] <rapha> but i can see the boot screen just fine
[17:02] <penguin42> oh - erm didn't realise that had gone
[17:02] <rapha> me neither =)
[17:02] <rapha> with all those changes none of my oldskool knowledge applies anymore :/
[17:03] <penguin42> yeh it's getting harder - I need to learn all the *kit stuff
[17:03] <rapha> hah! i got gdm loading now with the nvidia driver
[17:04] <rapha> wow and now gnome seems to be loaded
[17:04] <rapha> maybe it just kept crashing in rescue mode for some reason
[17:04] <penguin42> what did you do?
[17:05] <rapha> nothing ... just rebooted in normal instead of rescue mode where i had been fiddling around
[17:05] <rapha> well, the glx module is still disabled in xorg.conf ... gotta try with it enabled
[17:05] <rapha> and this new ubuntu tells me my hard drive was failing
[17:05] <rapha> how nice of it
[17:07] <rapha> and - OH! - that is firefox 3.5, unbelievable!
[17:08] <rapha> the bad sectors would explain the unexplainable lockups under winxp
[17:10] <bcurtiswx> hey, whats the wiki page that says how to test gnome-shell
[17:11] <bcurtiswx> if there is one :)
[17:11] <rapha> wth?! the user switcher preferences are gone!
[17:15] <rapha> heh ... didnt sabdfl say something about a visual overhaul for karmic?
[17:15] <BUGabundo> firefox 3.5 is old news . 3.7 +realpha 1 is my new King :)
[17:15] <mac_v> bcurtiswx: let me know if you find one! i'v been looking for it
[17:15] <mac_v> too
[17:16] <penguin42> BUGabundo: What's new in 3.6, 3.7 ?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, ff3.5 still crashes or freezes occasionaly
[17:17] <BUGabundo> penguin42: I just installed 3.7 today
[17:17] <BUGabundo> haven't even run it
[17:17] <BUGabundo> waiting to close 3.6
[17:17] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Did you see the comments I put on the upgrade script yesterday?
[17:17] <BUGabundo> AFAICT 3.6 has a new JS engine (faster), a tab changer, a new permition module,  etc
[17:17] <BluesKaj> have you guys tried firefoxqt3 ? really ragged :)
[17:17] <BUGabundo> humm
[17:17] <BUGabundo> yesterday...
[17:18] <BUGabundo> I was soooo tired yesterday I don't even recall what we talked about
[17:18] <rapha> bcurtiswx: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell
[17:18] <BUGabundo> penguin42: something on the migration script right?
[17:18] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Yeh
[17:18] <BUGabundo> no I haven't penguin42
[17:19] <penguin42> BUGabundo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/414139
[17:19] <bcurtiswx> whats so special about 3.7 Bugabundo?
[17:19] <mac_v> BUGabundo: found gnome shell ppa \o/
[17:20] <BUGabundo> mac_v: yay! link?
[17:20] <bcurtiswx> gnome shell is in karmic
[17:20] <mac_v> BUGabundo: bcurtiswx https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa
[17:20] <bcurtiswx> in synaptic
[17:20] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: no idea! its just HEAD trunk right now
[17:20] <BUGabundo> only new feature I know of, will be the redisign
[17:20] <BUGabundo> oh and 3.6 is expected to be out in mid october
[17:21] <BUGabundo> there we go all over again, karmic users demanding to have 3.6 instead of 3.5
[17:21] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOL
[17:21] <mac_v> ah... it in synaptic itself and BUGabundo made me look everywhere :/
[17:21] <mac_v> its*
[17:21] <BUGabundo> it is ?!!?!
[17:21] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: synaptic IS NOT a location!!! it's an APT front end
[17:21] <bcurtiswx> yeah yeah Bugabundo.. :P
[17:22] <bcurtiswx> when is gnome 2.27.6 due?
[17:22] <BUGabundo> !gnome shedule
[17:23]  * BUGabundo slaps the bot for slacking in class
[17:25] <mac_v> !gnome schedule
[17:25] <bcurtiswx> haha
[17:25] <bcurtiswx> i got it thx tho
[17:25] <bcurtiswx> im guessing it takes a bit from gnome release to get into ubuntu
[17:26] <bcurtiswx> im anxious for the empathy changes... there have been a few decent improvements
[17:26] <penguin42> bcurtiswx: I think they are scheduled close together though
[17:26] <penguin42> bcurtiswx: So Ubuntu normally runs with the prereleases of Gnome and gnome release happens close to ubuntu release
[17:26] <bcurtiswx> yeah, i was more focused on the beta 2.27.90-91- 2.28
[17:28] <penguin42> rapha: Well, I found the vga=ask error, it's in Grub2 - but as far as I can tell the kernel still supports it
[17:31] <BUGabundo> bcurtiswx: ubuntu has the shortest time between gnome releases and archives
[17:31] <BUGabundo> we beat debian and fedora
[17:34] <BUGabundo>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/254107/ Firefox 3.6 addons list
[17:35] <penguin42> BUGabundo: If something goes wrong I bet it takes you ages to figure out if it's a native firefoxism or a plugin
[17:36] <BUGabundo> naa
[17:36] <BUGabundo> I just start a brand new profile
[17:37] <BUGabundo> last time I cleaned it , I had 5 or 6 test profiles on 3.5
[17:37] <BUGabundo> now I only have 3 on that strange thing called firefox-replaced
[17:37] <BUGabundo> I'm still not sure it has all my data :(
[17:40] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I'm fairly sure I eventually found all my data - but IMHO that script needs a lot of work
[17:40] <BUGabundo> yeah
[17:40] <BluesKaj> trying out chromium , the flash plugins worked for a few weeks, now they crash everytime .. I like it's well organized and simple layout
[17:41] <rapha> penguin42: doesn't matter i guess ... who wants to have different console modes nowadays :)
[17:41] <penguin42> rapha: Well the thing is I can still see the code in the kernel
[17:41] <BluesKaj> but it's an alpha in dev so , one should expect crashes
[17:41] <rapha> penguin42: then it will probably work with LILO
[17:42] <penguin42> rapha: Or Grub 1
[17:42] <rapha> or that
[17:45] <rapha> anyone try wine1.2 yet?
[17:46] <BUGabundo> why has the Battery Charge Monitor been depreciated, and what replaces it ????
[17:46] <BUGabundo> its an applet for gnome
[17:46] <BUGabundo> not the default on in tray
[17:46] <BUGabundo> it disapeared from my bar, when to read it , and now its says in BOLD *deprecated*
[17:48] <rapha> what, a new volume control AGAIN?!
[17:49] <scizzo-> rapha: wine 1.2 is not released
[17:49] <rapha> ofc not
[17:50] <scizzo-> hard to test something that is not out yet
[17:50] <rapha> ubuntu's wine-dev package is called wine1.2
[17:51] <scizzo-> rapha: according to mine its 1.0.1 on the dev package
[17:52] <rapha> here in karmic it's 1.1.27
[17:53] <scizzo-> that is the latest wine development package yes....
[17:53] <penguin42> rapha: What is your system?
[17:54] <rapha> pretty old duron with a gig of ram and a geforce 6600 le
[17:54] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it's probably replaced by gpm notify area icon  ;)
[17:54] <rapha> i believe it has all of 1.7 ghz
[17:54] <penguin42> ok
[17:55] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I have no place where it shows me ALWAYS how long it lasts :(
[17:55] <BUGabundo> only hoovering the ico
[17:55] <BUGabundo> and you know I hate the mouse
[17:55] <rapha> oh and an awesome 30 gb harddrive penguin42 :)
[17:55] <penguin42> rapha: Technology!
[17:55] <rapha> *g*
[17:57] <penguin42> rapha: So grub2 has two chunks of code in it, one that supports vga=ask and one that doesn't and I'm damned if I can understand when it uses each
[17:57] <rapha> penguin42: why would they do that?
[17:57] <rapha> (my guess is it's in the assembler section of the sourcecode, right?)
[17:57] <penguin42> rapha: Nope, plain c
[17:58] <penguin42> rapha: I think it's trying to deal with things other than a normal pc
[17:58] <rapha> oh okay
[17:58] <rapha> so they're not trying to phase out support or anything
[17:58] <cdE|Woozy> BUGabundo, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2009-August/002183.html
[17:59] <penguin42> well, I think the newer generic x86 bit doesn't seem to want to support it because you can only do the vga=ask on a normal PC - which makes me wonder when it decides to use the generic pc code - e.g. on a machine like yours which is a stanard PC
[17:59] <rapha> wow my usb headphones can be configured as the default out-of-the-box in karmic!
[17:59] <penguin42> does that work?
[17:59] <rapha> yes, apparently
[18:00] <rapha> even the volume control it has on the cable works
[18:00] <rapha> and i even get a volume overlay while playing starcraft through wine
[18:00] <rapha> the bad news is that starcraft is still awfully slow even with wine 1.1.27
[18:00] <penguin42> rapha: Do you have the grub-pc package installed?
[18:01] <BUGabundo> thanks cdE|Woozy
[18:01] <BUGabundo> I'll reply to the thread and head bash christ
[18:01] <cdE|Woozy> :>
[18:02] <rapha> yes, that's apparently installed by default penguin42
[18:02] <penguin42> damn - I was coming to the conclusion grub-pc was the one that included the vga= stuff
[18:02] <rapha> :|
[18:03] <rapha> crap, looks like karmic doesn't remember the screen resolution, at least not when set through nvidia's tool
[18:04] <penguin42> rapha: Are you on KDE or Gnome?
[18:05] <rapha> gnome
[18:05] <penguin42> hmm OK, KDE has a known bug on not remembering res
[18:05] <rapha> i think it might have to do with me having an xorg.conf
[18:10] <rapha> yeah, i have to specify the resolution in the xorg.conf for it to be remembered
[18:10] <rapha> now if only the system can be stopped from trying to mount the windows partition on every bootup
[18:11] <rapha> hibernate ofc doesnt work but then who would have expected it to
[18:49] <penguin42> anyone happen to know the difference between a Gtk layout container and a Scolled Window?
[18:49] <penguin42> actually, not a scrolled window - a Viewport widget
[18:52] <crdlb> penguin42: wouldn't that be better asked in #gtk+ (either here or on irc.gnome.org)?
[18:52] <penguin42> yes I will, but I just wondered, and it's not like I was interrupting vast discussions....
[18:53] <dupondje> upgrading from Jaunty to Karmic :)
[18:53] <dupondje> lets see if everything goes 100% :D
[18:54] <penguin42> dupondje: It's getting there - I think on balance Karmic has less problems than Jaunty for me; although there are a couple of nasties
[18:54] <dupondje> true :) the aptitude crap bug :)
[18:54] <dupondje> and nobody fixes it :)
[18:54] <penguin42> what's that? I haven't seen that? (But I don't use aptitutde)
[18:55] <crdlb> penguin42: I can probably answer it, but why not do it in the right place?
[18:55] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/391035
[18:55] <vesayth> Has anyone been able to get flashplugin working for Chromium in Karmic 32 bit?
[18:55] <penguin42> crdlb: I'll go ask it there - but my past experience has been it's a bit dead
[18:56] <crdlb> the one on gimpnet is the busier one by far
[18:56] <penguin42> crdlb: #gnome ?
[18:56] <crdlb> irc.gnome.org #gtk+
[18:56] <penguin42> ah nod
[18:56] <BluesKaj> vesayth, I had it working till this morning's update , now i get a flashplugin crashed notice
[18:57] <vesayth> BluesKaj: well that might explain it then >.>. It told me the whole application crashed though. I figured that was odd, considering the window didn't close
[18:58] <BluesKaj> vesayth, I filed a bug report about it in #chromium , no fixes yet
[18:58] <dotblank> it seems i get updates every day.. thats cool
[18:59] <BluesKaj> yeah, the window stays open , just the plugin is affected
[19:00] <dupondje> Somebody knows a good tool to clone a harddisk ? Preferred with livecd & possibility to save on nfs/samba share
[19:01] <BUGabundo> dupondje: best one Clonezilla
[19:01] <BUGabundo> it does that all and more
[19:01] <BUGabundo> even servers coffee :)
[19:01] <dupondje> :) cool, gonne check it out :D
[19:01] <dupondje> as my harddisk has broken sectors
[19:01] <dupondje> gonne replace it :D
[19:01] <dupondje> warrany++ :)
[19:02] <penguin42> hmm - you are the 3rd person today to say they have broken sectors - is this something that Karmic is suddenly telling people?
[19:02] <dotblank> dupondje, I like dd the most
[19:03] <vesayth> BluesKaJ: a chromium update just came up on my update manager just fyi
[19:03] <dupondje> penguin42: yep, the disktool now says smart errors @ login :)
[19:03] <dupondje> And a SMART check with WDC's tool also fails
[19:03] <dupondje> so I just gonne replace it :) still in warranty so :)
[19:04]  * penguin42 can see a world of pain where n-zillion people all say 'Why did Karmic break my disc'....
[19:04] <BUGabundo> this is starting to get me worried
[19:04] <BUGabundo> so many users complaining at the same time
[19:05] <BUGabundo> with info provided by a buggier app
[19:05] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I'd like to see the output of smartctl -a on their systems to see if there is anything odd
[19:05] <BUGabundo> I'm running one my self now
[19:05] <dupondje> SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
[19:05] <dupondje> Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
[19:05] <dupondje> # 1  Short offline       Completed: read failure       90%      6081         2025758
[19:05] <dupondje> # 2  Conveyance offline  Completed: read failure       90%      6074         2025758
[19:05] <dupondje> its just fucked ;)
[19:06] <penguin42> dupondje: Better in a pastebin
[19:06] <BUGabundo> $ sudo aptitude install smartmontools
[19:06] <BUGabundo> dupondje: PASTEBIN
[19:06]  * dupondje hides
[19:07] <BluesKaj> vesayth, thanks for the heads up :)
[19:08] <vesayth> BluesKaj: your welcome, though it didn't seem to fix that problem
[19:11] <BluesKaj> vesayth, no fixes for flashplugins yet :(
[19:13] <vesayth> While I'm here, I'm having a problem with my atheros wireless for my laptop and am debating whether or not I should drop a new bug on it. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/395565 is the existing bug that was closed fixed, but I tend to be still having the issue. Basically every time I start up my laptop I have to modprobe -r -f ath5k and modprobe ath5k to get my wireless to work
[19:14] <vesayth> Anyone have any insight on that issue?
[19:14] <BluesKaj> vesayth, yeah install wicd
[19:15] <vesayth> BluesKaj: does wicd support OpenVPN?
[19:15] <BluesKaj> ppl say itdoesn't work on some atheros chips , but it works on my laptop
[19:20] <cdE|Woozy> does anyone know how I can tell gnome-power-manager to stop monitoring the battery status of my cordless mouse? I have a mouse/keyboard combo usb-receiver but only use the keyboard. g-p-m displays the empty battery of the mouse instead of the battery of my laptop most of the time :/
[19:20] <BluesKaj> vesayth, sorry , dunno
[19:20] <DanaG> odd, gconfd is taking 20% CPU.
[19:21] <cdE|Woozy> obviously I don't care about the battery state of a mouse that is packed away in a box :)
[19:27] <alankila> Danag: kill metacity
[19:28] <alankila> (if you are using compiz, that is)
[19:28] <DanaG> ah, thanks!
[19:28] <alankila> there's a bug already about that, scratched my head on the issue as well for a time
[19:28] <DanaG> Odd that I wasn't seeing Xorg using CPU.  I was seeing this mysterious CPU usage that seemed to come from nowhere.
[19:30] <DanaG> oooh, on my old desktop, I DO see the port selection thingy in pavucontrol.
[19:31] <BUGabundo> DanaG: that's odd? mine is *always* doing that
[19:31] <BUGabundo> alankila: metacity is not running
[19:31] <BUGabundo> I though that bug had been fixed
[19:32] <DanaG> nope, it was still running for me.
[19:33] <DanaG> argh, stupid screwed-up volume control.
[19:33] <DanaG> I turn volume to 0%, and all it mutes is front.
[19:35] <DanaG> ugh, that's way messed up.
[19:35] <DanaG> If I go to alsamixer directly, and slide PCM downwards, it goes to zero... and then makes the other channels go down, one by one!
[19:35] <BUGabundo> DanaG: that's because its set to 2 speakers
[19:35] <BUGabundo> not 4/5
[19:36] <DanaG> no, it's set to 5.
[19:36] <DanaG> oh, and it's also doing this horrid sound sort of like the way a vibraphone sounds -- modulating the colume./
[19:36] <DanaG> volume.
[19:37] <DanaG> it's that new multi-slider thing, I'm sure.
[19:38] <DanaG> It doesn't change all the channel volumes at the same time.  I guess I should file a bug on that.
[19:39] <DanaG> oh, and the behavior seems non-deterministic.
[19:39] <dupondje> Great, updated to Karmic, and now it doesn't boot anymore :s
[19:40] <dupondje> editted grub to ro single, but still it suddenly gives a black screen :s
[19:41] <DanaG> ugh, maybe a video would be best to demonstrate the bug.
[19:42] <dupondje> well it boots, shows me some info (initializing SATA drivers etc, found hdd etc) and then suddenly it just goes black
[19:44] <DanaG> [  789.864278] hub 2-0:1.0: port 3 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling...
[19:46] <DanaG> The behavior of the "sub" slider in gnome-volume-control also makes no sense.
[19:47] <dupondje> oho
[19:48] <dupondje> kinda crap bug in the upgrade process !
[19:48] <dupondje> it doesn't run update-grub !
[19:58] <BluesKaj> dupondje, try sudo update-grub in the terminal
[19:58] <dupondje> BluesKaj: I know, but I did the upgrade process from Jaunty to Karmic, it removed the old kernels etc, but it didn't run update-grub automaticly
[19:59] <BluesKaj> dupondje, grub2 right ?
[20:01] <dupondje> grub1
[20:01] <dupondje> Jaunty is grub1
[20:01] <dupondje> so after upgrade its still grub1
[20:06] <dupondje> hmz
[20:06] <dupondje> now gdm doesn't start somehow
[20:06] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be upgraded:
[20:06] <BUGabundo>   chromium-browser firefox firefox-3.5 firefox-3.5-branding firefox-3.5-gnome-support firefox-3.7 firefox-3.7-branding   firefox-3.7-gnome-support firefox-gnome-support gwibber xulrunner-1.9.1 xulrunner-1.9.1-gnome-support xulrunner-1.9.3
[20:06] <BluesKaj> dunno for sure but it could be looking for grub-pc package to install , since it's supposedly going to be ( I heard rumours) the default bootloader on karmic official release
[20:07] <BUGabundo> I should do something about that
[20:07] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: its already the default
[20:07] <BUGabundo> even debian is advising migration on squeese
[20:09] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, ok that answers the question in some ways , cuz kde4.3 is also slated as the default desktop environment , right ?
[20:10] <dupondje> I get my login screen, and when I try to login, I just go back to the login screen :s
[20:10] <BUGabundo> it already is too
[20:10] <dupondje> any idea what could be wrong ?
[20:11] <BUGabundo> I miss the good old failsafe gdm :(
[20:11] <BUGabundo> dupondje: check permitions in $HOME
[20:11] <BUGabundo> and .xsessionerros
[20:12] <dupondje> ** (gnome-session:11336): WARNING **: Onbekende optie --choose-session=openbox-session
[20:12] <dupondje> :s
[20:12] <BluesKaj> dupondje, install grub-pc then dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc as shown here http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3733046/Tip-of-the-Trade-GRUB2.htm
[20:13] <dupondje> BluesKaj: I know, but it should do that in the upgrade process now ?
[20:13] <BUGabundo> no
[20:14] <dupondje> well not upgrade to grub2
[20:14] <dupondje> but at least keep the menu.lst entries up-to-date
[20:14] <dupondje> cause else u get a unbootable system
[20:14] <BluesKaj> unfortunately not dupondje , that's an option that you must do yourself
[20:15] <dupondje> so everybody that upgrades from Jaunty to Karmic will need to run update-grub manually ? Else his system won't boot anymore ?
[20:18] <BUGabundo> not run update-grub
[20:18] <BUGabundo> but install grub-pt
[20:19] <BUGabundo> *pc
[20:19] <BUGabundo> and it will take care of everything
[20:21] <dupondje> BUGabundo: but it doesn't tell you to install it ?
[20:22] <BUGabundo> when?
[20:22] <penguin42> hmm, from a conversation in another window - is there a USB disk image for installation?
[20:23] <BUGabundo> no
[20:23] <BUGabundo> use usb-creator
[20:23] <BUGabundo> or unetbootin
[20:23] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I think that might need fixing; these days there are people who find it more convenient to install from a small CDROM
[20:23] <penguin42> ^CDROM^USB thumb
[20:23] <dupondje> BUGabundo: when u do update-manager -d ?
[20:24] <BUGabundo> dupondje: not sure
[20:24] <BUGabundo> penguin42: yes true, but archive admins don't want more medias
[20:25] <dupondje> BUGabundo: I am sure, just did the upgrade
[20:25] <BUGabundo> they already put pressure on mobile team to only release one form
[20:25] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I can sympathise with that - I wonder if a precursor boot image would work - one that you cat ed together with the iso?
[20:25] <BUGabundo> dupondje: if it doesn't, just install grub-pc
[20:26] <BUGabundo> reboot, test it, then run the command provided ( I don't recall now) to remove grub
[20:26]  * penguin42 should upgrade to Grub2 - although there seemed to be a whole bunch of people saying they weren't getting a grub menu
[20:26] <BUGabundo> penguin42: grub2 is able to boot from iso too
[20:26] <dupondje> BUGabundo: ok its easy, but alot of users won't know, will reboot as update-manager tells you, and will have a unbootable system
[20:26]  * BUGabundo does banana dance
[20:27] <BUGabundo> dupondje: shouldn't!!
[20:27] <BUGabundo> please file a bug
[20:27] <penguin42> BUGabundo: OK, so how does one use the grub2 image and an iso?
[20:27] <Trewas> old grub still works fine, and I don't there is plans to change to grub2 on upgrades, only on new installs
[20:27] <BUGabundo> penguin42: its on the grub2 wiki I think
[20:27] <BUGabundo> correct Trewas
[20:27] <BUGabundo> that's what I've been saying
[20:29] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I suspect it needs to work for new people installing for the first time who want to do it from USB stick
[20:29] <bjsnider> i'd just clean install every time anyway
[20:29] <bjsnider> upgrades are problematic because of changes in what's being packaged and what is dropped or renamed between distros
[20:30] <penguin42> bjsnider: It's not a bad point - I tend to just upgrade and I often hit weirdo problems
[20:31] <bjsnider> since i keep /home on a separate partition it's not hard to clean install
[20:32] <BUGabundo> penguin42: there are tools for linux, and one is coming for windows, plus thers unetbootin
[20:33] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: my previous system started on 7.10 alpha
[20:33] <BUGabundo> and lasted till last month
[20:33] <BUGabundo> always running alphas :)
[20:33] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I keep saying this: there is NO need for a /home now!!!
[20:33] <penguin42> BUGabundo: OK, it's just this guy over there ----> says it just took him ~2.5 hours to install Ubuntu from a thumb drive, so I can see if others are hitting it, it could b e a bigish problem
[20:33] <BUGabundo> installer can replace installed system and instal new one without touching user files
[20:34] <BUGabundo> penguin42: my install was from usbdrive and took 8 (*eight*) timed minutes
[20:34] <bjsnider> there is no need for a /home?
[20:35] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Yeh but we know what we're doing
[20:35] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: on another partition
[20:35] <BUGabundo> since hardy beta or alpha 6
[20:35] <BUGabundo> penguin42: downloaded iso, run usbcreator, booted into usb
[20:36] <BUGabundo> thers a wiki for that too
[20:36] <penguin42> fair enough
[20:37] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, well, i do not concur. I like to reformat and start again every release
[20:38] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: no need to format
[20:38] <BUGabundo> don't you read?
[20:38] <BUGabundo> you can install fresh
[20:38] <BUGabundo> and not click on FORMAt
[20:38] <BUGabundo> it will delete (system) files anyway
[20:38] <dupondje> hmz, Gnome is just gone from sessions list @ login display ... any idea to get it back ? cause I only can login into xfce now
[20:39] <penguin42> dupondje: Install ubuntu-desktop
[20:39] <BUGabundo> dinner bbl
[20:39]  * penguin42 goes
[20:39] <bjsnider> i want it to delete system files
[20:39] <dupondje> it was installed tho :(
[20:55] <dupondje> :( Gnome seems to be gone :s
[20:57] <dupondje> I just can't select Gnome @ login screen
[20:57] <dupondje> any idea why its gone after upgrading to Karmic ?
[20:59] <DanaG> no block devices found
[20:59] <DanaG> grep: block: no such file or directory
[20:59] <DanaG> grep: devices: no such file or directory                  grep: found: no such file or directory
[21:00] <DanaG> no raid devices and with names: "no block devices found"
[21:00] <DanaG> yes, it does say "and".
[21:00] <DanaG> !info system-cleaner-gtk
[21:00] <DanaG> hmm.
[21:00] <DanaG> Was the thing renamed?
[21:06] <DanaG> asdfaseratasdf argh laggggggg
[21:08] <dupondje> nobody ? Just can't login into Gnome anymore :s its just not displayed :(
[21:11] <BUGabundo> wt(insert bad word here)
[21:11] <BUGabundo> left for dinner, came back to find the laptop non-properly halted
[21:56] <BUGabundo> guys what's wrong here
[21:56] <BUGabundo> PATH="$PATH:/home/bugabundo/android/android-sdk-linux_x86-1.5_r3/tools"
[21:56] <BUGabundo> $ $PATH
[21:56] <BUGabundo> bash: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/bugabundo/android/android-sdk-linux_x86-1.5_r3/tools: No such file or directory
[22:00] <BUGabundo> dtchen: what do you think of this ? http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=soundblaster&thread.id=132288
[22:00] <BUGabundo>  	Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi and X-Fi Titanium Series Linux 32bit/64bit  Driver Source released
[22:01] <dtchen> BUGabundo: note that alsa already has drivers for ca0106 and ctxfi
[22:02] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:12] <BUGabundo> what's going on with LCD bright?
[22:14] <dtchen> ugh ugh ugh.
[22:14] <dupondje> hmz: running gnome-session gives me gnome desktop, but can't select Gnome from Login screen :s
[22:14] <dtchen> pulse is clearly screwing something with these idt/sigmatel, analog devices, and realtek codecs
[22:14] <BUGabundo> dtchen: are you feeling ok ?!?
[22:15] <BUGabundo> my bright keeps going up and own
[22:15] <dtchen> but - no one with conexant codecs experiences the jack symptoms, because the conexant codecs are pretty craptastic
[22:15] <BUGabundo> its getting my eyes tired
[22:15] <DanaG> oh yeah, I ran into some interesting behavior with my Realtek ALC650 in surround mode.
[22:15] <DanaG> Volume control screwed around with channel balance.
[22:17] <dtchen> yeah, working on that ATM
[22:17] <dtchen> i'll have part 1 of X uploaded RSN
[22:18] <dtchen> the rate at which i'm uploading to the ~ubuntu-audio-dev PPA makes Debian Sid and Gentoo ~x86 look tame
[22:22] <dupondje> pfft :( can't get gnome back @ login :(
[22:22] <BUGabundo> dtchen: eheh
[22:23] <BUGabundo> dtchen: do you need testers of the PPA ?
[22:29] <DanaG> oh yeah, I shoved the desktop back in the closet again for now; CRT monitor takes up too much space.
[22:30] <suit> I get horrible performance with enabled visual effects. Got a 8800GTS that's definitely up for the job since Compiz did great on Jaunty. Tried Nvidia Drivers 185 185.18 and 190... Any leads to how I could start solving that problem?
[22:30] <DanaG> But you know what I mean about the weird behavior of multiple sliders on multichannel?
[22:30] <DanaG> Oh, and another oddity is that the behavior of the "sub" slider in gnome-volume-control seems inconsistent -- it follows Master.  It should instead be low, "normal", and high.
[22:33] <DanaG> oh yeah, so my USB sound card seems to just be odd -- it only offers 7.1 audio output, period.  the proprietary Windows drivers must do something special.
[22:33] <dtchen> BUGabundo: yes
[22:34] <BUGabundo> dtchen: link to ppa, and tell me/us what you need testing of
[22:34] <dtchen> BUGabundo: i'll be sending an e-mail to devel-discuss momentarily
[22:35]  * BUGabundo is guessing https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ppa
[22:35] <dtchen> yes
[22:35] <BUGabundo> dtchen: shheeee I have like 400 unread emails there :(
[22:35] <DanaG> add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev
[22:35] <DanaG> yay.
[22:35] <dupondje> still not gnome :( damn the upgrade is a hell !
[22:35] <BUGabundo> thanks DanaG. was looking for it
[22:35] <DanaG> or is it apt-add?
[22:35] <BUGabundo> it worked
[22:35] <DanaG> apt-add-repository... or add-apt-repository?
[22:35] <DanaG> =P
[22:36]  * BUGabundo opens email and orders by most recent :D
[22:37] <BUGabundo> ohh its even worse... 591 unread emails
[22:37] <BUGabundo> :((((
[22:37] <BUGabundo> darn devs talk so much :\
[22:38] <dtchen> no we don't
[22:39] <dtchen> everybody _else_ talks; we're busy letting stuff pile up in our inboxes
[22:39] <dupondje> Nobody knows how to get Gnome back @ startup ? :s
[22:40] <akio> dupondje, how did you remove it?
[22:40] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I was j/k
[22:41] <BUGabundo> I used to keep those MLs fully read, but now I lack the time :(
[22:41] <dupondje> akio: just upgraded from Jaunty to Karmic
[22:41] <dupondje> and it went gone :s
[22:42] <akio> what is missing?
[22:42] <akio> what are you starting to instead of gnome?
[22:44] <dupondje> akio: It just doesn't show Gnome between sessions @ startup
[22:44] <dupondje> it starts mythbuntu (xfce)
[22:44] <DanaG> Unable to mount NTFS_External
[22:44] <DanaG> not authorized.
[22:44] <DanaG> yet, it mounts the other volume on that drive, just fine.
[22:45] <dupondje> anyway gtg now
[22:46] <akio> sudo aptitude install gnome
[22:48] <DanaG> hmm, anyone know what would make my sound cards start out muted every time I boot?
[22:49] <akio> DanaG, that sounds like a pulseaudio bug I had
[22:50] <DanaG> oh, and my USB sound card really is funky -- it has two Speaker sliders, only one of which works.  And PulseAudio... uses the OTHER one.
[22:50] <DanaG> =þ
[22:52] <BUGabundo> DanaG: yeah, it was fixed and now its back
[22:52] <DanaG> The mute one?
[22:53] <BUGabundo> I'm just waiting for dtchen email to upgrade to PPA and check
[22:53] <BUGabundo> DanaG: yeah
[22:54] <DanaG> hmm, I still have my now-unused cardbus audigy2.
[22:54] <akio> those are cooly
[22:54] <DanaG> hmm, what's a nice, low-power device that has a cardbus slot?  Something I could run PA on, such as ARM.
[23:02] <BUGabundo> still no email from dtchen. guess I'll have to do it tomorrow
[23:05] <dtchen> BUGabundo: i'm debugging a PA issue with Lennart ATM, so it'll have to wait
[23:07] <bjsnider> with lennart too
[23:07] <BUGabundo> and that is ?
[23:07] <BUGabundo> nvm
[23:07] <BUGabundo> will wait
[23:07] <BUGabundo> thanks dtchen
[23:07] <kaddi> Hi, I just upgraded from jaunty to karmic and now when I boot the new 31-kernel my screen remains completely blank, even if I boot into recovery mode. When I boot the old 28 kernel everything boots up fine. Is there a way to reinstall the new kernel, to see if that might fix the problem?
[23:07] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I'll wait for debug test cases you require
[23:08] <BUGabundo> kaddi: do you have any VGA option in there?
[23:08] <dtchen> BUGabundo: yes, that PPA you mentioned above is the one, and the target kernels are at http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~dtchen/test-kernels/jack/
[23:08] <BUGabundo> what GPU do you have?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> and good night kaddi
[23:08] <kaddi> BUGabundo, you mean in the xorg.config?
[23:08] <kaddi> good night?
[23:08] <BUGabundo> hummm dtchen so I need kernels too. ok
[23:08] <BUGabundo> kaddi: yeah. its 23h here :)
[23:08] <dtchen> BUGabundo: the kernels are only necessary if you're experiencing jack-sense issues
[23:08] <kaddi> BUGabundo, ah, ok :D good night then :)
[23:09] <BUGabundo> dtchen: I'm not!
[23:09] <kaddi> BUGabundo, should I simply remove xorg.config and see if that'll work=
[23:09] <BUGabundo> kaddi: yes, please rename it and test again
[23:14] <kaddi> no improvements :/ and if it really was an X-issue, shouldn't recovery mode work as it is text-based?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> no if you had a VGA option on it
[23:17] <kaddi> i just moved xorg.conf to xorg.conf.karmicupdate
[23:17] <kaddi> didn't check what was written in it
[23:18] <BUGabundo> no, not there kaddi
[23:18] <BUGabundo> on grub
[23:18] <BUGabundo> I suppose you still have grup (1)
[23:18] <BUGabundo> and have not upgraded to grub2 (aka grub-pc)
[23:19] <kaddi> i didn't see any notification about grub2 being install, but I will check
[23:20] <BUGabundo> no need
[23:20] <BUGabundo> just see if grub has any VGA option on the kernel stanzas
[23:20] <kaddi> how do I do that?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> and kaddi I'm still waiting for you to tell us, what's you'd GPU
[23:21] <kaddi> BUGabundo, sry must have missed that question, it's an inbuilt intel chip
[23:21] <Spee_der> Howdy folks. I am stuck, again. This time with Karmic. On re-boot, it stops on *** Checking battery state and won't move past. Hmmm, I'm not using a lap-top though..... I can get to another terminal, but don't know how to kick start....
[23:22] <Spee_der> The kernal is 2.6.31-5 generic.
[23:22] <BUGabundo> Spee_der: tried ctrl+c ?
[23:22] <Spee_der> Yes. No response.
[23:22] <BUGabundo> recovery console?
[23:23] <Spee_der> CTRL-X, same, no response.
[23:23] <BUGabundo> kaddi: on a TTY do: nano /boot/grub/menu.lst
[23:23] <BUGabundo> and go down to close to the bottom
[23:23] <BUGabundo> there you will find the entries for the kernel stanzas
[23:23] <Spee_der> I can ALT-F4 and login. But I am not sure what I need to do to kick start the main menu
[23:23] <BUGabundo> see if any has VGA= SOMETHING
[23:24] <BUGabundo> Spee_der: is that *after* gdm or on boot?
[23:24] <Spee_der> This is on boot.
[23:24] <Spee_der> No splash, so I can what is loading etc.
[23:24] <BUGabundo> Spee_der: so where are you doing alt+f4?
[23:24] <BUGabundo> I'm sorry but you confused me with that!
[23:25] <BUGabundo> :)
[23:25] <Spee_der> Sorry.
[23:25] <Spee_der> Boot on main screen. It stops at the ***Checking battery state.
[23:26] <Spee_der> From there I can login on another console screen using ALT-F4. I will check HTOP and see , but I need a by-pass for the battery check in the boot.
[23:26] <BUGabundo> ah ok
[23:26] <BUGabundo> now that's more clear
[23:26]  * BUGabundo wonders where are all the other testers. did everyone go on strike and forgot to let me know????
[23:27] <kaddi> BUGabundo, entries only contain title, root, kernel and some of them have initrd and quiet. the kernels are started with options like ro, quiet, splash. no reference to vga
[23:28] <BUGabundo> ok kaddi. thanks
[23:28] <BUGabundo> kaddi: can you try to choose XFIX from recovery console menu, from the working kernek?
[23:28] <BUGabundo> Spee_der: anything on dmesg?
[23:29] <Spee_der> BUGabundo, I will have a look @ dmesg now.
[23:30] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: billybigrigger cwillu yoasif am I missing some bunny killing party or something ??
[23:30] <Spee_der> BUGabundo, no, nothing significant there really.
[23:30] <kaddi> BUGabundo, i don't have XFIX in that list.. i have resume, clean, dpkg, fsck, grub, netroot and root
[23:31] <Spee_der> BUGabundo, I don't think it is writing to dmesg because of where it is getting stuck anyway.
[23:31] <BUGabundo> humm great, now we lost xfix :(
[23:31] <BUGabundo> Spee_der: any other kernel?
[23:31] <Spee_der> BUGabundo, No. I just loaded this as NEW on new drive.
[23:31] <BUGabundo> kaddi: please try this:  dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[23:32] <BUGabundo> Spee_der: so the daily installer is broken. good to know :\
[23:32] <kaddi> in a normal terminal?
[23:32] <BUGabundo> was this a daily image Spee_der?
[23:32] <BUGabundo> kaddi: yes, on the recovery TTY
[23:32] <BUGabundo> or any other console you have at hand
[23:32] <BUGabundo> if you are not root, you need sudo
[23:32] <kaddi> BUGabundo, I can't get into it, because I can't find my root password.. :p
[23:33] <BUGabundo> ahahaha
[23:33] <BUGabundo> kaddi: you said you could login as your user right?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> then sudo passwd root
[23:33] <BUGabundo> should do it
[23:33] <Spee_der> BUGabundo, an ISO I downloaded/burned CD on 14.08.09. From there it has been apt-get update / apt-get upgraded a couple times.
[23:33] <Spee_der> BUGabundo, kernel ia2.6.31-5 generic
[23:34] <Spee_der> ia = is
[23:34] <BUGabundo> Spee_der: this system had already worked and after some upgrade broke?
[23:34] <Spee_der> BUGabundo, oh yes. Was working nice 'cept for a few minor problems with Firefox 3.5
[23:35] <Spee_der> BUGabundo, I can't get to the command line on boot to tell it to not look for the battery check state.
[23:35] <kaddi> btw I'm really impressed with the resources karmic is using... I was expecting it wouldn't be able to really run smoothly on my old laptop, but it's doing just gine :) (when I'M not using the new kernel ;) )
[23:35] <BUGabundo> kaddi: :)
[23:35] <BUGabundo> yeah karmic is even faster then jaunty
[23:35] <BUGabundo> and that's gnome, you should try xubuntu
[23:36] <BUGabundo> Spee_der: ok, we need to get this stall at some point and debug
[23:36] <BUGabundo> in extreme case you can also boot the livecd and chroot in there and try to downgrade last updated packages
[23:36] <Spee_der> BUGabundo, right....
[23:36] <BUGabundo> or re-install
[23:36] <kaddi> BUGabundo, I get no output on the reconfigure part, is that normal?
[23:36] <BUGabundo> but I rather we find out what the prob is
[23:37] <BUGabundo> kaddi: it is
[23:37] <BUGabundo> it should just make a xorg.conf
[23:37] <kaddi> ok, I'll reboot and see how things go :)
[23:37] <BUGabundo> see if it is in there
[23:37] <Spee_der> BUGabundo, I will re-boot and see if I can capture it b/4 hand. Is there a way to tell kernel to ignore the ***Check battery state ?
[23:37] <kaddi> no xorg.conf was created
[23:37] <BUGabundo> not AFAIK
[23:37] <BUGabundo> no??
[23:37] <BUGabundo> it should
[23:38] <kaddi> I thought it wasn't really necessary?
[23:38] <kaddi> the pc I'm typing from is running without a xorg.conf just fine (on jaunty that is)
[23:38] <BUGabundo> its not
[23:38] <BUGabundo> but if it is failing it helps to have it there
[23:39] <Spee_der> BUGabundo, Nope. On re-boot, I can't capture it before the Loading the kernel and next splash screen for Ubuntu.
[23:39] <BUGabundo> guys I'm out of idea for both of you
[23:39] <Spee_der> BUGabundo, CTRL-C and ESC do nothing but lock the screen.
[23:39] <BUGabundo> but now I have to go to bed. early morning tomorrow
[23:39] <BUGabundo> Spee_der: grub2 uses SHIFT
[23:39] <Spee_der> BUGabundo, thank Bug. I will finger it out soon enough. Thought I'd ask .
[23:39] <kaddi> thanks for the input :)
[23:40] <BUGabundo> yeah I know not the most common change !!
[23:40] <Spee_der> BUGabundo, thanks will try that too.
[23:40] <platius> do I need to do more than keeping alpha3 updated to get Alpha4?
[23:40] <BUGabundo> if any of you guys/gals track down your probs please file a bug on Launchpad
[23:40] <kaddi> I will :)
[23:40] <BUGabundo> platius: running update-manager is sufficient to get you to final release
[23:40] <platius> ty
[23:41] <BUGabundo> just do it as aften as you can (daily for ex)
[23:41] <BUGabundo> now, BED
[23:41] <platius> night night
[23:41] <kaddi> sleep well :)
[23:41] <Spee_der> BUGabundo, how to cancel the Ubuntu splash screen on boot so I can see what is going on for load ??
[23:45] <billybigrigger> doh
[23:45] <billybigrigger> 170mb of updates :)
[23:46] <kaddi> hmm... anyone else got any ideas on why karmic would run with the .28 kernel, but not the new .31 kernel? Might it help to reinstall the kernel? If so, how do I do that?
[23:49] <billybigrigger> why won't your kernel boot?
[23:49] <Spee_der> Well, dang.
[23:50] <kaddi> well, I did a apt-cache policy linux-image.2.6.31-6-heneric and it saysinstalled: none, candidate 2.6.31-6.25
[23:50] <kaddi> so I'm supposing the kernel isn't installed?
[23:51] <kaddi> *generic
[23:52] <kaddi> billybigrigger,  but this would leave the question why the kernel is showing in grub and why the karmic update didn't install it, though
[23:53] <kaddi> billybigrigger, I don't know why it is not booting. I just upgraded and it's running fine on the old kernel, but not on the new one. (I found the installed kernel: 2.6.31-5.24)
[23:54] <kaddi> BUGabundo suggested that it might be a X problem, I ran dpgk-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh, but that didnt help
[23:56] <lifeofguenter> does gfxboot work with grub2?
[23:58] <DanaG> there's a "gfxmenu" thing, but I found it to be horribly, horribly slow and glitchy / repaint-ey.
[23:59] <lifeofguenter> hmm yes DanaG just reading about it..
[23:59] <lifeofguenter> hope there are already some nice themes available...
[23:59] <DanaG> There are themes that would look nice, if it didn't take a half a second to paint the whole screen once.