[00:01] Sorry to ask this here; does gnome have a way to auto-mount a drive on login? I have an NTFS drive which i mount via fstab, but i dont get trash functionality. Just curious... [00:01] djzn: no, you wouldn't. === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [00:02] crimsun: basically, the ext4 partition would be exactly the same, as in every single bit.... ? and the only MODIFYING part was going to be the TOOLS, which is the active binary on how to handle bugs etc.... [00:03] crimsun: the analogy is... kinda like... Win2K would create NTFS 3.0 partitions.... WinXP would create NTFS 3.1 partitions.... Vista has another version level of NTFS.... is this happening with ext4 too? [00:04] nzmm: take a look at ntfs-config [00:04] thnx [00:05] djzn: there are no feature additions at the spec level between jaunty's and karmic's ext4 [00:05] crimsun_: changes only on the tools, the binary side [00:05] djzn: no, the kernel side has stability fixes, too [00:06] they are two separate parts... the filesystem itself, and the kernel side.... [00:06] the filesystem itself has not changed at all.... [00:07] djzn: we're talking past each other [00:07] djzn: in short, you won't have any problems [00:08] crimsun_: and in long... [00:09] djzn: see above regarding feature additions (kernel-side) [00:58] * penguin42 yawns [00:59] argh, these pulseaudio issues are driving me a bit nuts [00:59] why is he sometimes dtchen and sometimes crimsun? it is highly confusing [01:00] * penguin42 hadn't realised they were the same person [01:00] andresmh: What's it currently doing to you? [01:00] well, my mic is not working [01:00] penguin42: LOLOLOL [01:01] mics seem to be a common problem, we have loads of people say that - I only try to get output to work [01:02] I tried hard to revert to previous version of pulseaudio but I can't :( [01:03] for some strange reason libpulse0's dependencies are things like gnome, and ubuntu-desktop which in turn have other dependencies that scare me to remove [01:03] if it's something like mike are you sure it's not kernel/alsa ? [01:04] i'm not 100% sure, all I know is that it stopped working after a pulse update [01:04] but it is possible it's related to kernel/alsa [01:04] how can I find out? [01:04] it was a pulse upgrade without a kernel/alsa upgrade? [01:05] i think so [01:06] here are the packages that i think are the culprits: http://serverfault.com/questions/52029/how-to-force-downgrade-of-packages-on-ubuntu-karmic [01:06] but it is possible i didn't notice alsa upgrades [01:07] /var/log/dpkg.log has a list of packages that have been upgraded [01:07] not sure how to know for sure who to blame though, here is my log: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285483/tmp/dpkg.log [01:08] i've done a couple of updates since mic stopped working [01:08] andresmh: And when do you reckon it broke? [01:08] i think it was around Aug 8 [01:09] since then I tried removing some pulse packages and reinstalling them [01:10] here's my alsamixer screen: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285483/tmp/screenshot5.png [01:11] andresmh: The only kernel upgrade I can see happened on the 6th [01:11] i guess i can try and reboot with the previous kernel and test the mic [01:12] yeah, let me do that, brb :) [01:17] umm, for some reason, at boot time, I was not presented with the screen that lets you choose a particular kernel version [01:17] is that called grub? [01:17] yeh - someone said that earlier [01:18] so i guess i cannot easily try booting on a previous kernel version [01:18] :( [01:19] * penguin42 goes to bed [01:20] andresmh: If you don't see the grub menu when booting, try hitting the ESC key early on during boot. It should pause to show you the grub menu. If you have more than one kernel, it should give you the choice. [01:21] thanks drs305. Is this the new behavior or is it a bug? [01:24] I can't remember how grub 2 sets up the initial menu. I just joined the channel and don't even know which grub you are using. [01:25] andresmh: If you are using grub 2, the file to edit is /etc/default/grub. there is a timeout listing and you would want to change it to something other than 0. [01:26] drs305, I have whatever version is the latest one in the Karmic repos. I remember a few days ago I was still getting the prompt to select a partcular kernel. [01:26] ah, in /etc/default/grub I have GRUB_TIMEOUT=0 [01:27] drs305: that changed with karmic and grub2 [01:27] I think now its SHIFT [01:28] BUGabundo, SHIFT instead of ESC? [01:28] shift [01:28] for grub2 [01:28] *I think* [01:28] not sure on the shortcut [01:29] SHIFT may work but I have still used ESC. [01:29] not anymore [01:29] andresmh: Change that value, then run "sudo update-grub" for it to take effect the next time you boot. [01:34] drs305, alright, done. Will reboot === yacc__ is now known as yacc [01:37] Anyway to disable the Ubuntu "branding" in firefox on a per user basis? [01:37] Specifically the broken "custom google search" functionality, ... [01:58] hi, does anyone experience rebooting without going to the grub screen in karmic? [02:00] hey BUGabundo :) [02:00] hey [02:00] what can I help you with kklimonda? [02:01] BUGabundo: I've ditched gafyd and now I'm trying to recreate my roster [02:03] ahahaahahhaha [02:03] you know guys ...I may have mentioned this before ...the default cursor theme for ubuntu should be this one http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Ubuntu+Crystal+Cursors?content=66327 [02:03] I have been using it for some time and find it real appropriate for ubuntu [02:04] morning [02:05] has karmic fully transitioned intel video to... whatever's next? [02:06] Tekno: 2am here :) [02:06] hehe 4 am here [02:06] i'm hesitant about moving my slow, old desktop to a prerelease distribution in case some hardware is broken [02:07] in this case though, the release version has a horribly broken video module :) [02:07] Tekno: that's an hell of an hour to wake up and say morning :) [02:07] ToHellWithGA: have you ever hear of livecd/usb? [02:08] i have [02:08] i don't typically try to test graphics on a live CD [02:08] then you don't need to be afrain [02:08] i'll give it a go though [02:08] glxgears should be enough to see if the video is still jumpy [02:08] thanks for the idea, BUGabundo [02:08] ToHellWithGA: USB is better, faster and requires no media :) [02:08] np [02:08] it requires media [02:09] <- no USB keys available [02:09] totally OT what does your nick stand for? [02:09] ToHellWithGA: ah :) [02:09] it's a Georgia Tech thing [02:09] the university (sic) of georgia is our arch-rival [02:09] athletically alone [02:09] i graduated from GT in 2006 [02:10] i'll take the oT out of this channel [02:10] cheers [02:26] constructing a whole nickname around a meaningless university rivalry... [02:29] bjsnider: eheh [02:33] heh, any idea what have I done to get an error: [02:33] nvidia: Unknown symbol init_waitqueue_head [02:33] ? [02:33] night [02:34] cleep well [02:37] hi [02:37] how can i make a WORLD accessible nfs drive on ubuntu server 9.10 [03:44] Hey... just a suggestion. Since update manager checks for update on its own w/o me entering my password... I don't think I should have to enter my password when I manually click check. ... only when I install. [05:25] ok why do i still have the thing telling me that my network manager is crap and is it fixed yet? [05:26] ? [05:27] nzmm, im running the kde version of karmic and several updates ago i got a icon on my task bar saying that the network manager is having issues and im to use the one for kde4. [05:56] is there a reason why the "Add" button for a VPN is greyed out in karmic's networm connection manager? [06:15] hmm, how do you deal with a system that's claiming the root is 96% full, when df and du disagree about disk usage? [06:15] grr, oh, and for some reason, PA defaults to muting my offboard sound card... that is, when it even decides to let it work. [06:17] hmm, how do I sort packages, from largest to smallest? [06:17] or rather, find just the few largest? [06:19] no clue [06:21] DanaG: with which packaging version of PA? [06:21] Version: 1:0.9.16~test4-0ubuntu7~ppa1 [06:21] Oh, and it's the same udev issue, I believe. [06:22] please update [06:22] Did you see my paste / ping earlier today, the "no such file or directory"? [06:22] shall do... /me checks for update. [06:22] no, please memoserv it to me or dtchen [06:22] (and yes, i pushed ~ppa2 an hour ago) === ripps_ is now known as ripps [06:52] yargh, for some reason, my 9800 Pro is giving me swrast. [06:52] http://pastebin.com/f3622d416 [06:52] xorg log. [06:53] argh, and why does PA keep muting all my sound cards? [06:54] because it doesn't like your music [06:54] bah. [06:54] crdlb: that's as good an answer as I've seen so far as to why Pulse Audio does such things [06:54] has there been any sound problem with the latest +1 updates? [06:55] DanaG: if you didn't see it: [dri] radeon.o kernel module version is 2.0.0 but version 1.17.0 or newer is needed. [06:55] ah, I missed that. [06:55] wait, is 2.0.0 not newer than 1.17.0? =þ [06:55] I'm assuming that's just a poorly worded message [06:56] a major version bump can be expected to be incompatible [06:56] ah. [06:56] so, just have to figure out where my kernel modules are coming from, and where my ddx is coming from. [06:58] ugh, truecrypt depends on kdesudo? [07:00] was there any instance of one app taking control of the sound for the whole system in the last few days? [07:05] micahg: I had that [07:05] micahg: Steam/Half-Life took over my sound and wouldn't let any other app play soudns [07:05] sounds* [07:07] I have a firefox bug and I'd like to know if it's a karmic issue or a firefox issue [07:10] empathy will replace pidgin? [07:10] pblchai: yes [07:10] micahg: which bug? [07:10] i never see empathy [07:10] pblchai: see or use ? [07:11] 2 [07:11] bug 413465 [07:11] Launchpad bug 413465 in firefox "firefox breaks sound output and hogs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/413465 [07:12] micahg: the latest pulse audio updates since test2 are all messed up, so there are a lot of problems , so its karmic related [07:12] mac_v: do you know of a master bug I can dupe this of [07:13] micahg: I have the same problem on Karmic but it's Steam that hogs my sound [07:16] micahg: this should do it > Bug #411962 [07:16] Launchpad bug 411962 in pulseaudio "Pulse audio queues audio!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/411962 [07:17] micahg: actually it includes all apps , i'll update the description [07:17] help i want to prepare LPIC-1 test, and i dont know anyone who offer the test or help me to learn [07:18] hmm, those of you with one-app-at-a-time issues, are you on 64-bit? [07:18] DanaG: nope , 32-bit [07:20] thanks mac_v [07:20] micahg: a simple workaround is $pulseaudio -k [07:21] mac_v: you should add that to the bug [07:21] mac_v: are you familiar with !description [07:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Description [07:23] micahg: i reported the issue as queue , because that is the real issue , the audio is getting queued , which you notice with IM , pings or other system sounds [07:24] ok, but if there's an easy workaround, you should note it in the bug in case others are having an issue [07:24] as per the wiki link I posted [07:25] micahg: hehe... i forgot about the workaround, i realized it only after reporting the bug , thanks for reminding ;) [07:25] that's ok, that's why we can update the description :) [07:43] lol that disk usage prompt is fubar [07:55] micahg: do you use greasemonkey scripts for your replies? [08:06] mac_v: yes :) [08:07] micahg: i'm having a tough time getting them to load :( , how do you load the scripts? selecting the "reload" doesnt seem to save the scripts [08:07] i mean the replies , dont save [08:09] hmm [08:09] wanna hop in ubuntu-bugs [08:10] this really isn't for this channel [08:10] ok === TheImp is now known as TheInfinity [11:00] hey is the medibuntu repo accessible for anyone here? [11:04] medibuntu seems fine here [11:05] how do i send something to the build farm? [11:06] hey gusy [11:09] Steeley, hrmm i can read it, i get: Network is unreachable. [11:09] cant* [11:09] whats the link? [11:10] packages.medibuntu.org [11:11] I am running this sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh [11:11] which is not connecting to the repo [11:11] wasn't that disconetinued nzmm? [11:11] why don't you use medibuntu? [11:12] i just follewed this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs [11:12] well, i tried medibuntu first but i can't connect to the repo for some reason... [11:13] you too? [11:14] one of their servers was acting up the other day [11:14] oh, Steely said he could connect to the repo, but i've had no luck since this morning :( [11:15] just done a fresh install of karmic and was hoping to watch a DVD [11:15] i was able to go to it just a minute ago as well. [11:15] nzmm: what's your ISP? [11:15] orcon.net.nz [11:16] nzmm: $ grep medib /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit [11:17] nzmm: and $ apt-cache policy libdvdcss2 | pastebinit [11:17] well i dont have the repo added if thats what you wondering [11:17] oo didn't know about pastebinit [11:17] thnx :) [11:18] np Ian_Corne. that should be in ubuntu-base toolkit :) [11:18] http://pastebin.com/f271d8b3b [11:18] nzmm: then how do you expect for it to work ? :) [11:20] have you apt-get updated before? :p [11:23] Ian_Corne: ?? [11:23] hi all [11:23] hi lifeofguenter [11:23] well if he's on a cleanly install system [11:24] and didnd't apt-get update yet [11:24] it won't find any packages not installed yet [11:24] did I miss some release-log that xorg.conf will be missing in karmic? [11:26] Ian_Corne: I guess we could ask nz to do $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade first, sure [11:26] lifeofguenter: what we have is the same as in jaunty [11:26] no need for xorg.conf 'cause most of it is auto detected now [11:27] but Jaunty had at least a xorg.conf existing [11:27] or what would be the best approach to set up a virtual big desktop with xrandr? [11:28] lifeofguenter: gxrandr?lol [11:28] I used to to add SubSection "Display" with "Virtual ..." into my xorg.conf [11:29] I guess you can still do it with xrandr [11:29] bah I got a warning S.M.A.R.T. has detected my root disk is going to fail [11:29] even if you have to run dpkg reconfigure on it [11:29] Ian_Corne: either that's a bug and *everyone* is getting that [11:29] or your disk is dieying [11:29] yeah, :p [11:29] BUGabundo: no you can't you have to define your virtual screen size somewhere [11:29] you are the 4th person I read sayung that [11:29] it's only like 1y old now :( [11:30] or you will only be able to mirror [11:30] $ xrandr --output VGA-0 --right-of LVDS [11:30] xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1400x1400 (desired size 2680x1050) [11:30] Ian_Corne: age is not that important [11:30] only has 182days of poweron [11:30] well it is for me, now i have to buy a new disk faster :p [11:30] ehh [11:30] running badblocks now to check it [11:30] lifeofguenter: "even if you have to run dpkg reconfigure on it" [11:30] windows's CHKDSK didn't find anything [11:31] hm? what should I reconfigure? [11:31] Ian_Corne: it still has waranty right? [11:31] lifeofguenter: xorg ?!??! [11:31] it will force a new xorg.conf [11:32] BUGabundo: yeah but how to prove that it's broken, it's not failing yet [11:32] hm ok but can't be this somehow a default in the karmic release? I mean why are features like big-desktop via randr kicked off again? [11:32] and i don't want to wait till it fails to get a new one :p [11:33] lifeofguenter: we no long *need* xorg.conf for most users, so advance users *need* to create one!!! [11:33] Ian_Corne: smartctl should couf some valid warning [11:34] hmm I wouldn't say that dual-head setups are unusual - especially with notebooks [11:34] dpkg-reconfigure Xorg does not work btw.. no error but no xorg.conf [11:34] lifeofguenter: i don't have problems without xorg.conf with dual head setup [11:34] but that's using nvidia-setting [11:34] Ian_Corne: big desktop? [11:34] I don't have prolemes mirroring either, but I can attach displays besides each other [11:35] hm ok [11:35] me neither [11:36] nvidia settins wfm [11:36] i'm using 25??x1024 there [11:36] ok I am using the opensource drivers from ati [11:36] hmm [11:36] I'm using the close source :\ [11:36] I guess I will not be able to use nvidia-setting then ;) [11:36] it's the screen resolution thingy that's not working for you? [11:36] the virtual screen size [11:37] e.g. that my desktop goes over two monitors [11:38] are you using gnome-display-properties [11:38] kde but using the cli "xrandr" [11:39] well try using the gui one :) [11:39] kde should have an equivalent [11:39] yes but it basically says "you do not have multiple monitors set up" without stating where and how I can do that [11:40] the guis are anyway only layered on top of randr.. so using xrandr should be the same experience.. [11:41] e.g.: http://sequel.futurs.inria.fr/loth/software/gxrandr/ on the bottom you will see what xorg.conf you will need [11:42] hmm maybe I will just try that and hope missing sections will be auto added [11:45] Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2a2pre) Gecko/20090815 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Namoroka/3.6a2pre ID:20090815003024 [11:45] humm Namoroka kewl [11:57] bbl [11:58] If badblocks finds nothing but the SMART thing reports broken sectors [11:58] what should i do? [12:01] file a bug :) [12:02] I think it's a bug on how we detect those things :) [12:02] or indeed you have a bad disk (hw parts) with no fisical damage on the FS (yet) [12:02] could be [12:06] harddrives reallocate sectors (or at least try to) automatically, so it is not wrong if SMART finds problems but badblocks doesn't [12:08] Trewas: i read up about it [12:08] SMART can't see that [12:08] the HD does that without any other thing knowing that [12:09] SMART is specifically about things internal to the HD [12:14] Ian_Corne: Trewas just uncheck it from startup items...;p stupid palimpsest! [12:15] ? [12:16] Ian_Corne: the disk check can be prevented from constantly notifying , [12:16] yea annoying [12:16] mac_v: I have no problem with (incorrect) whines about broken HDs, but seems that many others do [12:18] the program is crappy and the devs think they have made a perfect disk check! [12:18] ah so it IS buggy? [12:18] Ian_Corne: just too sensitive , shouldnt bother untill there actually is a problem [12:19] mac_v: but that's what SMART is for, warning you a failure is imminent? [12:20] yeah *imminent* , but gdu warns always! [12:20] how can I uninstall an application that installed by compiling the source code ? [12:20] Ian_Corne: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+bug/412152 [12:20] Ubuntu bug 412152 in gnome-disk-utility "gnome-disk-utility nags me too much that my disk is failing" [Medium,Triaged] [12:22] i wonder if we will get a working pyclutter... [12:22] mac_v: it's not disk utility [12:22] every manufacturer reports smart values a bit differently so guessing when HD is about to break is difficult [12:22] palimpsest disk utility [12:22] not gnome [12:22] Ian_Corne: its the same ;) [12:23] ah [12:24] anyone here with an ati hd 4870? :) [12:48] ok it seemed to work.. still can't get it running through the kde-gui but added a pseudo xorg.conf just for my virtual screen size [13:01] 0 badblocks.. [13:04] for some reason I cant turn my wireless card off with the switch key. Anyone else experiencing this? [13:04] regel: i can but it crashes the system [13:04] asus eee 1000h [13:04] Packard Bell something [13:05] but when i reboot the wireless is off [13:05] and i can turn it back on with the switch [13:05] without crashing [13:05] and the brightness keys seem to be doing something weird [13:05] wfm [13:05] when I press Fn+F7 (brightness up), the brightness levels go like: 100% -> 70 % -> 20% -> 100 % -> 50% [13:06] It just makes no sense [13:06] Shouldnt it go 0-> 20 -> 40 -> 60 -> 80 -> 100 -> 100 -> 100 ? [13:06] or is this just another "feature"? [13:07] "funny brightness keys" [13:09] regel: ahahah [13:10] some nice brainstorming.. [13:10] been like this since 9.04 [13:10] and I did a fresh install [13:11] does it run some sortof script? the Fn+f6 -combination? [13:12] oh, well.. gotta reboot now [13:17] anyone using chromium here? [13:17] need a tester [13:18] http://www.jaiku.com/channel/jaikuengine/presence/5e26f1d963a94a2a9e7e07b00d5324e8 [13:29] BUGabundo: using google-chrome under kde if thats what you mean [13:32] err [13:32] need chromium [13:32] to see if it's a bug with it [13:32] lifeofguenter: why would you be running a close build when you have a community one, specially built for karmic? [13:33] you mean arora? [13:33] no [13:33] Chromium [13:34] why would I be even mentioning arora??? [13:34] dunno based on webkit both... [13:34] https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa [13:35] Linux kernel is 2.6.31-rc6-git1 - http://www.kernel.org/kdist/fragments/stable_snapshot.html is out [13:35] guess we'll have a new kernel soon [13:40] BUGabundo: will chromium ever become chrome ? [13:41] of course not [13:58] any one knows how to place an image on Compiz Expo background? can't find it [13:59] Hiyas all [13:59] heya BluesKaj [13:59] hey BUGabundo [14:01] * penguin42 yawns [14:01] well, I've done everything i can think of to fix this : "Cannot initiate the connection to packages.medibuntu.org:80", and I've come to the conclusion that medibuntu is overloaded , swamped , broken ...dunno which [14:01] packages generally seems broken [14:02] oh, packages.ubuntu.com is back - it was broken yesterday [14:02] not the pkges the, the repos [14:02] ah [14:02] http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/a/ looks fine to me [14:03] (in a web browser) [14:04] BluesKaj: Which address is it giving you for it? [14:04] I just installed yesterday night NEW packages from there [14:04] and got no connections issues [14:05] o great [14:05] PA dide [14:05] time to kill it [14:05] weird , now it connected ok [14:05] working now [14:06] deb http://packages.medibuntu.org karmic/free and non free [14:07] so it's intermittent today ... guess i can live with that [14:07] BluesKaj: I bet it depends which mirror you are landing on [14:08] (and if I had to bet I'd say it's the ipv6...) [14:10] here we go again with the IPv6 thing [14:10] oh yes :-) [14:12] I'm using opendns if that makes any diff [14:13] the main medibuntu server is in france afaik ..it's the one routed from the main server [14:19] anyway, I like to keep the media apps up to date , in case of module changes etc [14:35] can anyone remember - there's a bug for firefox is flaky since a recent update - and I've got a backtrace [14:35] pics not loading ? [14:36] no, this is with nspluginwrapper - but it's a well defined crash [14:36] and it's a ff crash rather than nspluginwrapper crash [14:50] is it me or is Flash flashing on this vid http://www.youtube.com/v/3TlCGh5Pc90&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en&feature=player_embedded&fs=1 ? [14:51] BUGabundo: Looks fine to me [14:51] (first 20 or so seconds) [14:51] keep watching [14:51] I see lots of black bars and spots [14:52] not sure its flash or nvidia driver [14:53] upto 1:11 I think I saw a blink on one or two frames [14:53] but very little [14:54] lucky you [14:54] what's your GPU and driver? [14:54] intel 945G [14:56] I've seen a few more - they're mostly a horizontal black bar that blinks up for a frame or so - but I'm upto 4mins and have seen less than 10 [14:57] ok [14:57]