[01:07] <nsahoo> hi .. I accidentally marked some files under svn control to delete on next commit, how do I undo that?
[01:08] <ebroder> nsahoo: #ubuntu-devel isn't a general support channel. For Ubuntu support, you should ask in #ubuntu. Although for help with subversion, you're better off asking in #svn
[01:11] <nsahoo> thanks
[01:11] <nsahoo> I asked in svn
[01:11] <nsahoo> i was told in #ubuntu to ask here at first
[01:12] <nsahoo> anyways resolved it
[01:12] <ebroder> #ubuntu-devel is specifically for Ubuntu development, not development on Ubuntu in general
[01:19] <ojwb> nsahoo: IIRC, svn revert <files>
[01:19] <ojwb> oh, you resolved it anyway
[04:54] <damo22> which package do i get if i want to compile my own kernel for ubuntu 8.04?
[04:54] <damo22> linux-source-...
[04:55] <damo22> ?
[07:29] <superm1> could I get a give-back on mythplugins?
[08:43] <cjwatson> superm1: you ought to be able to do that yourself?
[08:44] <cjwatson> find the build page, hit the retry link
[09:17] <udiio> Q: how do I easily touch the "Version" line of a deb control file from bash?
[09:24] <mdke> what does dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[09:24] <mdke> mean?
[09:24] <mdke> is that the user interrupting an upgrade or could it be a crash?
[09:32] <cjwatson> udiio: what do you mean by "touch"?
[09:33] <cjwatson> mdke: it means that the parent dpkg-deb process exited, for some reason not explained by that error mesage
[09:33] <cjwatson> message
[09:34] <cjwatson> well, exited or otherwise closed the reading end of the pipe the subprocess was trying to write to, but exited is most likely
[09:34] <mdke> hmm
[09:34] <mdke> cjwatson: I'm looking at bug 414237 - there doesn't seem to be any explanation in the terminal log. Do you know if there is any way I can get the reporter to provide more info that might help?
[09:38] <cjwatson> mdke: you could try getting them to run 'sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/ubuntu-docs_9.04.10_all.deb' from a terminal and see what it does there
[09:39] <cjwatson> we should probably filter out such apport reports, they're never package bugs ...
[09:39] <mdke> but I guess it could be a bug of some kind, even if not in ubuntu-docs. I'll do as you've suggested
[09:41] <mdke> thanks cjwatson
[09:41] <YokoZar> Did sabdfl enable proportional representation for the technical board election?
[09:42] <cjwatson> condorcet
[09:47] <Laney> are there any platforms or such like available for the election?
[09:48] <Laney> I feel like I'm voting a bit blind
[09:51] <mdke> candidate wiki pages?
[09:54] <YokoZar> cjwatson: Yes, but there are 5 winners.  You can either do this by picking the top 5 ranked or by using a condorcet method to pick the set of 5 that beats all other possible sets of 5
[09:55] <YokoZar> (there's a link to the proportional representation explanation on their page, and whether or not it's on is a checkbox when you create the poll...but it's not clear on the actual ballot which method it uses)
[09:55] <YokoZar> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/w8/~andru/civs/proportional.html  <-- their explanation of their PR method
[09:56]  * YokoZar studied voting systems very heavily in college and is very pleased regardless
[10:00] <Laney> mdke: have they been updated in general?
[10:00]  * Laney could just look
[10:02] <mdke> Laney: I'm not sure.
[10:03] <Laney> seems not
[10:03] <mdke> the thing taht confused me slightly about the voting process was whether one should try and make the ranking add up, so that if you have 2 people ranked at 1, the next person should be ranked 3
[10:03] <cjwatson> YokoZar: oh, right, I don't know, sorry. I would hope that we're picking the top 5 ranked
[10:03] <cjwatson> ask Mark :)
[10:03] <YokoZar> mdke: it's smart enough to not care
[10:04] <YokoZar> mdke: relative position is all that matters
[10:04] <mdke> ah, good
[10:04] <mdke> thanks
[11:05] <LLStarks> how do i send something to the build farm?
[11:07] <ogra> you upload a sourcepackage to the archive
[11:14] <LLStarks> ogra, how do i do that?
[11:14] <ogra> you become a developer, gain upload rights and upload your package is one way, you find a developer who has upload rights and convince him/her to sponsor your upload is the other
[11:15] <LLStarks> well, how would i get this into the queue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libass/+bug/410112
[11:16] <maxb> Get it into which queue?
[11:16] <LLStarks> for the build farm.
[11:17] <ogra> seems ubuntu-universe-sponsors is already subscribed
[11:17] <LLStarks> well, i don't see the gears of progress turning.
[11:17] <ogra> so it's a matter of being patient or asking someone in #ubuntu-motu to review and upload
[11:18] <ogra> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess
[11:27] <maxb> What is the usual time for a MIR to be reviewed and approved?
[11:28] <maxb> I need an estimate of whether one which is currently pending is likely to be completed in time for FeatureFreeze
[11:28] <maxb> lp 410624
[13:11] <slytherin> Hi. Yesterday I upgraded my PC to karmic. I just added a DVD drive to the PC, but there is no /dev/dvd node created. To which package should I report the problem?
[13:16] <ogra> kirkland, sorry that it took so log, qemu fix uploaded
[15:31] <ogra> gah, pitty dropped my hal fix of the initscript without note
[15:45] <ogra> heh, i should probably check for which release i build my chroots :P
[16:38] <damo22> sorry to sound stupid, how do you reply to a message on a mailing list? i have subscribed and posted a message, but when i posted a reply to my own message back to the mailing list, it appeared as a new post.... i want to be able to post a reply and have it indented in the mailing list
[16:39] <cjwatson> wow, get a less awful mail client :)
[16:40] <cjwatson> the "reply to all" (or, if available, "reply to list") function in any non-hopeless mail client is sufficient
[16:40] <damo22> cjwatson: yeah, im using gmail
[16:40] <damo22> is it possible in gmail?
[16:40] <cjwatson> no idea, sorry
[16:40] <damo22> :(
[16:40] <ion> gmail has worked just fine with mailing lists so far.
[16:40] <damo22> but reply to all makes the mailing list as a CC
[16:40] <damo22> and the primary address is the email of the person who posted
[16:41] <damo22> is that correct?
[16:42] <cjwatson> yes, and on some lists that is considered suboptimal, but that is not the question you originally assked ...
[16:42] <cjwatson> the "reply to list" function, if available, tries to honour the Mail-Followup-To: header, which normally has the effect of putting the mailing list in To: if it can figure out how
[16:43] <cjwatson> but either of those ought to preserve threading
[16:43] <damo22> cjwatson: i dont want to post an email to the guy who posted, and then he gets a second email back from the list
[16:43] <ogra> afaik you have to copy the CC address to the to field in gmail
[16:43] <ogra> but the mail should end up in the proper thread then
[16:43] <cjwatson> like I say, not the question you asked to start with - you were asking about threading!
[16:43] <damo22> ogra: thankyou
[16:43] <cjwatson> the "new post" bit
[16:44] <cjwatson> if you want to be a really good citizen regarding list replies, you need a mail client that honours mail-followup-to
[16:44] <ogra> (note that i dont use gmail, the above is only what i heard from gmail users)
[16:44] <damo22> ogra: i will test it now
[16:45] <cjwatson> and if that's something gmail doesn't provide, the right answer may be to ask google to add it, since presumably they are at least in part driven by demand from their users
[16:49] <tikka> I'm curious about how to find out and when the latest kernel, with fixes for the null pointer deference, will be available for ubuntu?
[16:54] <ogra> tikka, you probably want #ubuntu-security ... but to my knowledge only systems with vm mmap min addr set to 0 are actually vulnerable, note that ubuntu defaults to something a lot higher (i'm not in the security team though and might have misunderstood the issue)
[16:55] <maco> ubuntu wasnt vulnerable, iirc
[16:55] <tikka> thanks ogra, maco
[16:55] <maco> i remember seeing someone comment on an article about it with the results of the proof of concept on ubuntu and fedora
[16:56] <ebroder> tikka: If you want to be sure, you can `cat /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr` to see what it's set to on your system
[16:56] <ebroder> Should be 65536
[16:56] <ebroder> If it is, you're not vulnerable
[16:57] <tikka> 65536
[16:57] <tikka> yep
[16:57] <tikka> thanks ebroder
[17:26] <ogra> grr ... Unsupported syscall: 242
[17:26]  * ogra curses mono
[19:41] <cumulus007> In which package is the "Add/Remove..." program packaged?
[19:43] <mpontillo> cumulus007: gnome-app-install
[19:43] <cumulus007> thanks :)
[19:45] <cumulus007> "ImportError: libgailutil.so.18: can't open shared object file: no such file or directory"
[19:45] <cumulus007> when I start it
[19:46] <mpontillo> cumulus007: according to 'dpkg -S /usr/lib/libgailutil.*', that's provided by the "libgail18". do you have it installed?
[19:47] <mpontillo> *the "libgail18" package, that is
[19:47] <cumulus007> Nope, I'll install it
[19:47] <cumulus007> it starts up now :)
[19:48] <cumulus007> but it crashes after a few seconds
[19:48] <mpontillo> possible bug in the gnome-app-install package then? I don't see a 'Depends' line.
[19:48] <cumulus007> "glib.GError: Icon 'distributor-logo' not present in theme". I'm running Kubuntu with the Oxygen theme, could that be the problem?
[19:49] <mpontillo> hmm that logo file is provided by the human-icon-theme package ;) tangled web this is
[19:51] <mpontillo> and/or gnome-icon-theme, ubuntu-artwork, ... and a number of other theme packages. not certain how the themes work so if the oxygen theme has to provide it and isn't...?
[19:59] <cumulus007> mpontillo: even when I change my icon theme to Human, it still crashes
[20:12] <popey> anyone know what package I should file a bug against for the "shutdown/reboot/hibernate/suspend" screen in gnome?
[20:12] <popey> gnome-session perhaps
[20:59] <mpontillo> you could try could try hacking /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/AppInstall/Menu.py to get it to work. see if replacing the line that does "item = Category(self, self.all_category_name, "distributor-logo")" to remove the last parameter helps, or if it just crashes on some other icon
[22:33] <dupondje> is there a bugpage for upgrade bugs from Jaunty to Karmic ?
[22:33] <dupondje> cause its a hell :s
[22:34] <dtchen> jdstrand: bug updated with information regarding a current test kernel