[00:00] <DanaG> So, I see the whole screen flicker, because it redraws continuously... at about 1 or 2 FPS.
[00:00] <lifeofguenter> hmm that does not sound good
[00:01] <DanaG> yeah, I went back to non-gfxboot.
[00:33] <EagleScreen> hello
[00:33] <EagleScreen> please anyone with karmic and /home in ext4 partition can help me?
[00:34] <EagleScreen> I need the /etc/fstab line for /home in ext4
[00:34] <EagleScreen> anyone can paste it for me, please?
[00:35] <DanaG> UUID=02ba95db-853e-49df-b90e-294c806cac54 /home		ext4	relatime	 0       2
[00:35] <DanaG> I'm not sure on the options, though -- I've changed mine.
[00:35] <DanaG> I think the default may be relatime,errors=remount-ro
[00:35] <DanaG> But the "0    2" is correct -- makes it check it after root.
[00:35] <ripps> Isn't everybody's UUID unique?
[00:36] <DanaG> yeah, to get your uuid, 'sudo blkid '
[00:36] <EagleScreen> i am interested in options and in <dump> <pass> integers
[00:38] <EagleScreen> do you think this is right?
[00:38] <EagleScreen> /dev/sda4	/home	ext4	relatime,errors=remount-ro	0	2
[00:39] <EagleScreen> /dev/sda4	/home ext4 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 2
[00:41] <Spee_der> Is there a way with the Karmic kernel 2.6.31.-5 #24 in the command line to tell it to NOT look for the battery state please ?? This is where it is locking up on boot.....
[00:41] <Spee_der> I finally got to the boot menu list screen..... Phew.....
[00:42] <DanaG> EagleScreen: looks about right to me.
[00:42] <EagleScreen> thanks
[00:54] <billybigrigger> EagleScreen, default for ext4 on my system is just relatime
[00:54] <billybigrigger> UUID=ac555012-2a40-4641-9b85-373f8db7e929 /home           ext4    relatime        0       2
[00:54] <EagleScreen> thanks billybigrigger
[00:55] <billybigrigger> np
[01:06] <DanaG> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12898
[01:06] <DanaG> Invalid?  Hah!
[01:08] <DanaG> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12127
[01:43] <J-_> Is there anyway to reconfigure pulseaudio in kubuntu?
[02:50] <J-_> why doesn't PulseAudio Preferences work in Kubuntu karmic?
[02:55] <DanaG> I've been wondering that, myself.
[02:58] <crashsystems> Is anyone aware of a bug in Karmic that causes the screensaver not to turn on? I just searched on Launchpad and did not find anything.
[03:00] <billybigrigger> anyone having problems with flash and chromium?
[03:01] <crashsystems> billybigrigger: not much, no. it is not perfect, but not much worse than flash in firefox
[03:01] <billybigrigger> where is your flash .so located?
[03:02] <billybigrigger> and are you using the newest update alpha of flash?
[03:02] <crashsystems> /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[03:02] <crashsystems> I'm using the generic flash 10 32 bit from adobe.com
[03:02] <billybigrigger> 10.0.32.18
[03:02] <billybigrigger> 64bit right?
[03:02] <crashsystems> 10.0 r32
[03:03] <crashsystems> I'm on 64bit ubuntu, but using 32 bit flash.
[03:03] <crashsystems> chromium for linux is always built 32bit
[03:03] <mase_work> are kubuntu karmic issues discussed in #ubuntu+1 also or is it only for ubuntu ?
[03:04] <Mactabilis> ello
[03:04] <Mactabilis> anyone running UNR on a Samsung NC10 ?
[03:05] <billybigrigger> mase_work, +1 chat is here only
[03:05] <kurisuto> Question:  I want to install version 5.8 of Catalyst (a Perl-based web development framework).  I've got Ubuntu 9.04 installed.  Ubuntu 9.04 has Catalyst 5.7 (an old version).  I see that Karmic has Catalyst 5.8.  Is there some way I can take advantage of that Catalyst 5.8 package from Karmic to install Catalyst 5.8 in my Ubuntu 9.04 installation?  Or is that definitely impossible?
[03:06] <Mactabilis> noone testing the unr koala on a nc10 ? :(
[03:06] <billybigrigger> you can't run karmic packages in jaunty
[03:06] <crashsystems> kurisuto: I think that would depend upon what Catalyst in Karmic was dependent upon, and the version numbers
[03:07] <DanaG> ugh, naming collision with ATI drivers.  =þ
[03:08] <kurisuto> Is it an unwise thing to try to do, in general?
[03:08] <crashsystems> I think the worst thing that would happen is that you'd have a broken package to uninstall
[03:09] <kurisuto> Any pointer as to how I'd go about trying it?
[03:09] <crashsystems> download the package and see if it will install
[03:10] <Mactabilis> anyone using karmic UNR at all ? :)
[03:12] <billybigrigger> anyone here use gnome-shell?
[03:13] <danbhfive1> Mactabilis: Im testing the bootup time on a eee1000HE
[03:14] <Mactabilis> danbhfive1 hows the netbook-launcher running for ya ? Mine crashed like every 5min. If I remove a favortie -> crash, if I select "Services" --> crash, and so on. Did you notice something alike ?
[03:15] <danbhfive1> Mactabilis: actually, I've been avoiding using it, since my fan didn't seem to be spinning up
[03:16] <Mactabilis> mh, I see. Anyone else who tried karmic UNR ?
[03:22] <mase_work> Mactabilis:  what is UNR ?
[03:23] <x1250> billybigrigger, 'you can't' is too much, and probably false. You can, but it may not work.
[03:23] <Mactabilis> mase_work Ubuntu Netbook Remix
[03:24] <mase_work> ah ok
[03:24] <DanaG> I wish Ubuntu would export find_task_by_vpid in their kernels.
[03:24] <DanaG> http://www.nabble.com/-Cooker--Re:--RPM--cooker-non-free-release-fglrx-8.620-2mdv2010.0-td24636966.html
[03:26] <billybigrigger> catalyst 5.8 is debian testing
[03:26] <billybigrigger> you could easily request a merge on launchpad and have 5.8 built for karmic :P
[03:27] <billybigrigger> Package libcatalyst-perl squeeze (testing) (perl): The Elegant MVC Web Application Framework
[03:27] <billybigrigger> 5.80007-1: all
[03:27] <billybigrigger> oh, he left a few mins ago haha
[03:53] <DanaG> ntfs-3g is giving me a mere 500 kilobytes per second on a (same-drive) copy.  That's utterly pathetic.
[03:58] <DanaG> ... especially considering my 5-megabit-down internet connection... is 640 kilobytes.
[03:59] <DanaG> NTFS-3G is actually slower than my internet connection!
[04:00] <SodaPhish> greetings all
[04:15] <billybigrigger> DanaG, USB?
[04:15] <DanaG> Nope, SATA.
[04:15] <billybigrigger> i've found USB transfers deadly slow lately
[04:16] <DanaG> hmm, I've just had issues with ntfs-3g, always.
[04:16] <DanaG> It's always been dog-slow.
[04:16] <DanaG> When SATA is slower than internet... yeah, that's bad.
[04:16] <DanaG> And it bogs down the rest of the system, too... as if it were an old, old old system.
[04:23] <DanaG> oh, I forgot I had set the thing to do a backup at 6 sharp.
[04:23] <DanaG> Sun Aug 16 20:23:30 PDT 2009
[04:23] <DanaG> or rather, 6PM.
[04:25] <bjsnider> DanaG, do you have a powerful cpu in that rig?
[04:26] <bjsnider> knowing you it's probably something obscure with no linux driver
[04:52] <DanaG> bjsnider: actually, this is my EliteBook -- Core 2 Duo.
[05:12] <spo>  is user2 part of group user2 even though  my /etc/group file says  user2:x:1002:      (without user2 being behind the last :)
[06:13] <mpontillo> spo: if that is user2's primary group, yes. you can verify with "sudo -u user2 groups"
[06:56] <Severian> Howdy.  I am setting up a physical machine to use for testing of Karmic.  The installer won't work if I create a root jfs filesystem.  Is only jfs broken at present?
[06:57] <Severian> I am using the apha-4 alternate installer, if that makes a difference.
[07:12] <nhasian> where can i go to edit the sounds for system events in karmic?
[07:22] <Severian> nhasian, Sound preferences don't have many options in karmic.
[07:24] <Severian> nhasian, I can help you a little with sounds, but I don't know the proper way to change them.  I just know how to hack it.
[07:47] <ghindo> Does anybody else have trouble rendering certain websites with the new Firefox?
[08:17] <nhasian> Severian, haha i thought they had moved the options somewhere.  you mean editing the sound events in the gui are missing completely?  thats just funny.
[08:17] <nhasian> Severian, I was hoping to add the sound events to empathy as it appears they are missing altogether.
[08:18] <AnAnt> Hello, does alternate installer support WPA connections ?
[08:18] <Severian> nhasian, You can't change the events at the moment.  I assume some other dialog will appear later.
[08:18] <nhasian> Severian, I'll keep my fingers crossed.
[08:19] <nhasian> Severian, thanks for your help i'm heading off to bed
[08:19] <Severian> bye, nhandler
[08:47] <AnAnt> Hello, what's a good method to copy package selections from one machine to another ?
[08:48] <Severian> AnAnt, In Synaptic, go to File/Generate Package Download Script   on the first machine.  Run that script on the second machine.
[08:58] <AnAnt> any other way ?
[09:02] <rek> i need proprietary drivers for nvidia for jaunty
[09:02] <rek> they worked with hardy but now.... i'm stuck
[09:03] <hifi> see the topic, this channel is for karmic, the next release
[09:03] <hifi> jaunty support at #ubuntu
[09:03] <rek> they sent me here
[09:03] <AnAnt> rek: theck the X swat PPA
[09:03] <rek> ?
[09:04] <spo> is there a list of changes of karmic?
[09:04] <spo> when is the next karmic relases, after the alpha 3 one
[09:04] <AnAnt> rek: ask on #ubuntu-x
[09:04] <spo> when does alpha 4 or beta come out?
[09:04] <AnAnt> alpha4 is out
[09:05] <spo> when does alpha 5 or beta 1 come out?
[09:05] <mac_v> sheesh!
[09:06] <Ng> spo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[09:06] <mac_v> spo: what is it you are really looking for?
[09:07] <mac_v> anyone tried gnome-shell? i simply cant get it to run! :(
[09:07] <Ng> AnAnt: on one machine, do "dpkg --get-selections >packages.txt", then on the other machine you can do "dpkg --get-selections <packages.txt" and you'll get exactly the same package set, which may include removals, so you might want to grep out just the install ones from the list
[09:07] <Ng> bah
[09:08] <Ng> AnAnt: sorry, the second command should have --set-selections, not --get-selections
[09:09] <spo> when did alpha 4 come out?
[09:09] <spo> mac_v, i want better usb power management
[09:09] <spo> ie to shut down usb hard drives configuration
[09:10] <spo> so i don't have to pay for more elecriticity
[09:10] <mac_v> spo: so what does it have to do with the alpa release cycle?
[09:10] <mac_v> s/cycle/schedule?
[09:11] <spo> mac_v, why do you ask so many questions?
[09:12] <spo> mac_v, are you trying to intimidate me?
[09:13] <mac_v> spo: when you are asking for something alpha4 , then alpha 5, it really seems a weird... just asking what you want would get you better answers
[09:13] <AnAnt> Ng: thanks
[09:14] <spo> mac_v, how come you are all up in my face and besides me?
[09:15] <AnAnt> spo: I think he asked a reasonable question
[09:16] <robin0800> lapic command is not reconized anymore the log file tells me to enable it
[09:16] <Ng> spo: alpha 4 came out on the date shown in the wiki.ubuntu.com URL I just told you about :)
[09:18] <spo> is it possible to turn off a usb hard drive through an OS like ubuntu or windows?
[09:19] <mac_v> Ng: are you one of the ops? could you add the release schedule url to the bots
[09:19] <Ng> mac_v: I'm not
[09:19] <Severian> spo, try the normal hdparm command for spinning down drives and see how it does.
[09:19] <AnAnt> Ng: what if some packages don't exist , will that cause an error ?
[09:20] <AnAnt> Ng: should I run apt-get after --set-selections ?
[09:20] <spo> severian, thank you, You have beent he most helpful person in this channel to me , ever
[09:20] <Ng> AnAnt: probably "apt-get install" would apply the selections. non-existent packages should be ignored
[09:21] <AnAnt> Ng: thanks
[09:21] <AnAnt> Hello, in alpha3 PC beep was working on my laptop, yet in alpha4 it doesn't, is this a kernel or pulseaudio issue ?
[09:21] <spo> anant, alpha 4 has been released. I helped release it too.
[09:21] <Severian> The ubuntu channel seems more helpful, in general.  Sorry for your experience.  I have not had much luck here, but I did get one good answer.  I just try to be patient.
[09:22] <spo> severian, i was just kidding/teasing the other people in here,  about what i said to you about you being the most helpful person to me , ever in this channel
[09:23] <Severian> spo, that last one was for you.  The other thing I have noticed is that the testing for the next released version has been more problematic this cycle.  But, that is why I test, to try to find a few bugs.
[09:23] <Severian> spo, then nevermind.
[09:24] <AnAnt> Ng: hmm, apt-get install didn't apply selections
[09:24] <AnAnt> nor -f install , nor dist-upgrade
[09:25] <Ng> AnAnt: hrm. it's a while since I've done that, I suggest a quick google :)
[09:26] <AnAnt> Ng: dselect-upgrade ! according to dpkg man page
[09:26] <Ng> ah yeah
[09:29] <spo> i wish there was a way for OS systems to turn off USB drives by stopping the motherboard from supplying power to usb ports
[09:29] <spo> does karmic have implementations to control motherbaord power?
[09:30] <spo> good night
[09:30] <spo> i am going to shutdown
[09:33] <Spee_der> Good morning all....
[09:35] <Spee_der> I'm still stuck on this kernel 2.6.31.-6.17 hanging on * Check battery state. How to tell grub ? kernel ? to bypass this call please ?
[09:35] <mac_v> !karmicschedule
[09:37] <mac_v> !KarmicSchedule is <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule> bar
[09:40] <mac_v> !KarmicSchedule is <reply> The Release Schedule for Karmic is : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[09:42] <AnAnt> !karmicschedule
[09:42] <mac_v> !schedule-#ubuntu+1
[09:42] <mac_v> \o/
[09:42] <AnAnt> why the # in command ?
[09:44] <mac_v> i dont know just trying to figure it out with the ops
[09:44] <mac_v> !schedule
[09:44] <mac_v> ah. no need i guess
[09:46] <AnAnt> ok
[10:01] <Red_eeps> Well....  I managed to jump through that hoop, finally.... ..
[10:27] <slacker_nl> anyone else having troubles with the newest kernel, flash and ff3.5?
[10:27] <slacker_nl> ff just borks on me
[10:39] <mac_v> slacker_nl: what's the problem in flash ? sound?
[10:40] <slacker_nl> mac_v: it loads slow, and shutsdown ff
[10:41] <slacker_nl> FF is unable to do anything, need to shutdown and then can continue
[10:41] <mac_v> oh... i dont know about that
[10:41] <slacker_nl> .5 kernel everything works fine
[10:41] <slacker_nl> .6 fail :(
[10:54] <shadeslayer> hey guys
[10:55] <shadeslayer> im upgrading to alpha 4,anything i should know about? ( anything major is broken,etc,etc )
[10:57] <shadeslayer> ding
[10:57] <shadeslayer> ok i guess thats a no....
[10:58] <mac_v> shadeslayer: from jaunty? or from alpha3?
[11:00] <shadeslayer> mac_v: im doing a clean install of alpha 4
[11:00]  * shadeslayer waves iso
[11:01] <mac_v> shadeslayer: ok, currently running?
[11:01] <shadeslayer> jaunty + KDE 4.3
[11:01] <mac_v> shadeslayer: oh , kubuntu , i dont know
[11:02] <shadeslayer> mac_v: ok,your in gnome? anything broken there?
[11:02] <shadeslayer> mac_v: last time i visited (alpha 2) they said some updates broke hal.....
[11:02] <mac_v> pulseaudio , has major issues
[11:02] <shadeslayer> ahh..
[11:03] <shadeslayer> no problem cuz KDE uses phonon
[11:03] <shadeslayer> the only thing haunting me are the dev packages i used to compile some software will have to reinstalled
[11:04] <shadeslayer> mac_v: ok just rebooting with a bootable pendrive....see you soon in karmic :)
[11:16] <slacker_nl> no big issues with kubuntu
[11:18] <cumulus007> Hi, my cups won't start anymore
[11:18] <cumulus007> cupsd: Child exited on signal 15!
[11:18] <cumulus007> cupsctl: Unable to connect to server: connection refused
[11:18] <cumulus007> is the error message when I do /etc/init.d/cups start
[11:22] <shadeslayer> oh man oh man
[11:22] <shadeslayer> i cant stop ogling
[11:23] <shadeslayer> Kubuntu 9.10 wont be less than heaven
[11:23] <suit> shadeslayer: I *absolutely* agree!
[11:24] <cumulus007> Kubuntu 9.10 is delicious :)
[11:24] <shadeslayer> suit: i just need to install the nvidia drivers.... strange thing though....  jockey-kde works fine on the live CD but not on the installed system o.0
[11:24] <shadeslayer> cumulus007: yeah
[11:24] <suit> Earlier I went from Karmic Kubuntu to Karmic Kubuntu to try out what's new there and sheeeeesh what a world of difference.
[11:24] <suit> shadeslayer: You got a NVidia non legacy card by any chance?
[11:24] <shadeslayer> suit: huh???
[11:24] <suit> Errr
[11:24] <suit> Wow, typos.
[11:24] <suit> I went from Kubuntu to Ubuntu to try that out.
[11:24] <shadeslayer> suit: legacy?? i have a 8600M GT
[11:25] <shadeslayer> dont think its legacy
[11:25] <shadeslayer> suit: gnome seriously needs to do a 3.0
[11:25] <suit> shadeslayer: Then I recommend you don't install one of the drivers recommended by the inbuilt hardware menu thingie
[11:25] <suit> My performance went through the roof after installing the 190.18 ones
[11:25] <shadeslayer> suit: sure....ill install it via apt
[11:26] <shadeslayer> suit: you compiled them i guess?
[11:26] <suit> There's a handy guide I bookmarked, real quick and easy stuff: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=990978
[11:27] <shadeslayer> kpackagekit notifications are awesome
[11:27] <shadeslayer> :o
[11:27] <suit> Man, it's such a culture shock. I tried KDE exactly once and that was about 3 years ago. Couldn't stand it.
[11:28] <shadeslayer> suit: and i guess you migrated to KDE 4.3 ?
[11:28] <suit> Ohhellyeah.
[11:28] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:29] <shadeslayer> 83 updates
[11:29] <shadeslayer> and its been 3 days
[11:29] <shadeslayer> *awesome*
[11:29]  * shadeslayer checks out other things
[11:30] <shadeslayer> ugh..same notifications for the volume up and down thing.....they should use kosd
[11:31] <cumulus007> shadeslayer: neat-looking osd's for the volume is planned for 4.4 afaik
[11:31] <shadeslayer> oh good
[11:31] <shadeslayer> i need to fstab..... my data partition wont mount with locale en-IN
[11:31] <cumulus007> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Feature_Plan#kdemultimedia
[11:34] <shadeslayer> cumulus007: did dolphin have the tab thing earlier?
[11:35] <cumulus007> shadeslayer: the tabs have been avaliable since.. uhm, a loong time ago :)
[11:35] <shadeslayer> didnt notice them then
[11:36] <cumulus007> File -> new tab
[11:36] <cumulus007> or ctrl + T
[11:39] <shadeslayer> ok so got my partitions to mount
[11:39] <shadeslayer> now to install irssi and the restricted packages :)
[11:41] <shadeslayer> brb
[11:47] <shadeslayer> and btw the boot was like 2 secs
[12:00] <suit> heh
[12:01] <shadeslayer> suit: yeah,it booted *alot* faster than 9.04,heck even the USB drive was quicker
[12:01] <suit> Can't even begin to elaborate how much I love KDEs take on 'wobbly windows'. Just smooth. Elegant.
[12:02] <shadeslayer> suit: i cant do that right now :(
[12:02] <suit> w/ Compiz I'm always afraid my window has a stroke, even after tweaking it
[12:02] <shadeslayer> hehe
[12:03] <shadeslayer> suit: you recommend which nvidia drivers?
[12:03] <shadeslayer> Edit August 03 2009: Latest nVidia 190.xx (BETA) 190.18.13 OpenGL 3.2 Drivers: Download
[12:03] <shadeslayer> right?
[12:03] <suit> Right. Since you're using Karmic you don't seem to have a problem with beta software, heh
[12:03] <slacker_nl> don't like kpackagekit after a quick peek tbh
[12:03] <suit> I'm using 190.18.13, too. Runs like a charm.
[12:04] <shadeslayer> suit: lol.... this my first time with alpha software...learning by breaking ftw
[12:04] <suit> hah
[12:05] <shadeslayer> suit: although i have used Beta 9.04 and some other SVN software
[12:05] <shadeslayer> +Kubuntu
[12:05] <suit> Only thing that bugs me about KDE is the window resizing.
[12:05] <suit> But even that got considerably smoother for me with the 190.18.13 drivers.
[12:05] <shadeslayer> suit: hmm....well ill be compiling aurorae in a few mins,you could try that
[12:06] <suit> hehe, i'm using aurorae
[12:06] <shadeslayer> suit: oh cool!
[12:07] <suit> with the Airglass-black theme
[12:07] <shadeslayer> suit: they should use aurorae by default,kwin just looks bad with KDE :(
[12:07] <shadeslayer> it spoils the air theme
[12:08] <suit> i heard alot of people like the oxygen stuff that comes with 4.3
[12:08] <shadeslayer> :o
[12:08] <suit> i'm not one of them tho
[12:08] <shadeslayer> suit: i just dont like the window decorations
[12:09] <shadeslayer> the devs could have done a better job of them
[12:10] <shadeslayer> return of kaffeine yayy
[12:10] <suit> Agree. Btw, I absolutely worship the KDE devs. Just had a look at past roadmaps etc and it's crazy how much they changed in so little time
[12:11] <suit> ridiculous
[12:11] <shadeslayer> suit: *agree*
[12:12] <suit> alright, gotta jet
[12:12] <shadeslayer> sure
[12:12] <suit> nice talking to a fellow fanboy, heh
[12:12] <shadeslayer> bye
[12:12] <suit> bye
[12:12] <shadeslayer> suit: hehe
[12:20] <jonick> hi anyone using karmic unr?
[12:27] <ziroday> How do you enable (experimental) 3D rendering with radeonhd drivers?
[12:27] <shadeslayer> 16:57 < ziroday> How do you enable (experimental) 3D rendering with radeonhd drivers?
[12:27] <shadeslayer> stupid irssi
[12:29] <shadeslayer> !unr
[12:35] <jonick> I was just wondering whether video perfomance on intel 9xx cards was much better than jaunty, i have three machines with intel 9xx cards, and flash player is poo with them :-)
[12:35] <shadeslayer> jonick: its supposed to get better
[12:36] <jonick> hmm, wonder whether to install to try it, it's ext4 in karmic yeah ?
[12:37] <shadeslayer> jonick: yep
[12:38] <shadeslayer> jonick: ext 4 is also available in jaunty
[12:38] <jonick> hmm, had problems trying to install fedora on this bx using ext4, the partitioning went squiffy...... I didn't realise that jaunty was using ext4....
[12:39] <TheInfinity> per default it used ext3
[12:39] <shadeslayer> jonick: its not deafult,you will have to manually partition
[12:40] <TheInfinity> (and i always would recomment ext3 until now ;) )
[12:41] <jonick> Ah... Thats what I thought. I'm sure mine ext3, so that means no upgrade path from jaunty to karmic?
[12:41] <shadeslayer> jonick: you can convert it to ext4
[12:42] <shadeslayer> jonick: http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto
[12:42] <jonick> I'm a bit nervous after fedora thang :-/
[12:43] <shadeslayer> hmm
[12:43] <shadeslayer> jonick: its a risk youll have to take.....looks safe though
[12:43] <jonick> ah, well.... don't have too much on /home to loose :-)
[12:44] <shadeslayer> hehe
[12:44] <jonick> any way... gotta go do some work... C U l8r
[12:44] <shadeslayer> jonick: sure
[12:49] <AnAnt> Hello, in alpha3 PC beep was working on my laptop, yet in alpha4 it doesn't, is this a kernel or pulseaudio issue
[12:49] <AnAnt> ?
[12:49] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: modprobe pcspkr
[12:49] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: it is loaded
[12:50] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: hmm.... maybe its muted in kmix?
[12:50] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: I unmuted it in alsamixer
[12:50] <shadeslayer> it doesnt work here either :P
[12:50] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: it worked in alpha3
[12:51] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: do you think that's a kernel issue or pulseaudio/alsa issue ?
[12:51] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: I just want to know where/how to submit a bug report
[12:51] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: maybe... i just insalled A4 today
[12:51] <shadeslayer> !bugs
[12:52] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: yeah, I meant which package ?
[12:52] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: the kernel i guess
[12:52] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[12:52] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: or the pcspkr module
[12:52] <AnAnt> well, that's part of linux-source
[12:54] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: then then the kernel would be the package
[12:54] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: how do you test the beep? (im using /beep in irssi)
[12:55] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: in a tty1 I press backspace !
[12:55] <shadeslayer> haha
[12:55] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: well, are you using the latest kernel ? 2.6.31-6 ?
[12:56] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: im upgrading.....
[12:56] <AnAnt> so am I
[12:56] <shadeslayer> installed like 20 mins ago
[12:56] <AnAnt> so, whoever finishes upgrade first will report the bug ?
[12:56] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: linux-headers-2.6.31-6
[12:56] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: itll be you....i have a 128 kbps connection :P
[12:57] <AnAnt> ok, it seems about an hour still till I finish
[12:57] <AnAnt> I'll notify you of the bug number if you're online (if you didn't beat me to it)
[12:57] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: ill poke around some more.....
[12:57] <shadeslayer> ill be here if theres no power outage
[13:02] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: do you know how to set the resolution of a tty?
[13:02] <AnAnt> I don't need to in karmic
[13:03] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: its set already?
[13:04] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: im guessing you live in India?
[13:05] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: I know that my nickname sounds Indian, but I'm far from India or being Indian
[13:05] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: yeah, karmic sets a very good resolution for tty
[13:06] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: yeah....i have a friend named Anant so i was curious,im from India btw
[13:10] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: are you a KDE user ?
[13:10] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: KDE 4.3 FTW!!!!
[13:10] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: im a fanboy :P
[13:10] <AnAnt> ok
[13:10] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: what do you use?
[13:10] <AnAnt> anyone noticed that when opening a new tab in gnome-terminal, the PWD is / ?
[13:10] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: gnome
[13:11] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:11] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: I noticed that you mentioned kmix, so I guessed that you use KDE
[13:11] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: you can edit the profile to use whatever folder you mention
[13:13] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: how's that ?
[13:13] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: right click the terminal
[13:14] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: edit current profile
[13:14] <BluesKaj> 'morning folks
[13:14] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: here too? you have karmic?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> yup
[13:14] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: just migrated today :)
[13:15] <BluesKaj> ok good
[13:15] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: I mean, I can't find a relavant option in profile
[13:15] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: Intial Directory :
[13:16] <BluesKaj> gonna install jaunty on my laptop then wait for the karmic officail release . The hardware probs with intel etc should be solved by then I hope
[13:16] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: so youre downgrading ?? okies
[13:17] <BluesKaj> nope, I'm on our desktop atm , but our laptop is gonna become a dual boot machine as well
[13:17] <BluesKaj> my desktop actually ...wife has her own desktop
[13:18] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: ah..Karmic+Jaunty...cool
[13:18] <BluesKaj> wife is srtictly Vista ...afraid of linux :)
[13:19] <shadeslayer> its always been that way,women never want to get their hands dirty
[13:19] <BluesKaj> well, it's her pc , she paid for it :)
[13:19] <shadeslayer> lol
[13:20] <BluesKaj> karmic is quite stable except for a few plasma glitches now and then , but it recovers quickly
[13:21] <shadeslayer> plasma ftw
[13:21] <richardcavell> Another day, another 80 megs of updates.... X(
[13:21] <shadeslayer> richardcavell:make that 100 MB for me
[13:21] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: ok, I'm a few mins away now
[13:21] <AnAnt> what's FTW ?
[13:22] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: for the win
[13:22] <richardcavell> shadeslayer: I've decided not to download any more updates until the next milestone, or if they fix pulseaudio
[13:22] <shadeslayer> richardcavell: aw... i have xine
[13:22]  * shadeslayer smothers richardcavell in xine
[13:23]  * richardcavell is grateful to be able to hear anything at all, even if while being smothered
[13:23] <shadeslayer> richardcavell: haha....nice
[13:23] <AnAnt> richardcavell: fix pulseaudio ?
[13:24] <richardcavell> AnAnt: I can't fix it
[13:24] <richardcavell> It seems that when I run Steam/wine at startup, it hogs the sound system somehow
[13:25] <AnAnt> richardcavell: I see
[13:25] <richardcavell> And if I then quite Steam/wine, I get sound back but it's tinny and garbled
[13:25] <richardcavell> It's an exercise just to show me how much I miss sound.  You don't appreciate how much you enjoyed something until it's gone.
[13:27] <shadeslayer> any idea when theyll be introducing a new network manager widget?
[13:28] <BluesKaj> never, I hope , until they fix it
[13:28] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: yeah...
[13:28] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: the one in karmic is gnomes nm-applet right?
[13:29] <BluesKaj> dunno , I just recommend wicd
[13:29] <shadeslayer> wicd doesnt always work
[13:29] <AnAnt> wicd ?
[13:30] <BluesKaj> been using it since the jaunty widget-network fiasco
[13:30] <AnAnt> oh
[13:30] <shadeslayer> !wicd
[13:30] <shadeslayer> !info wicd
[13:31] <BluesKaj> I've been informed that some atheros chips won't  wicd
[13:31] <BluesKaj> run
[13:32] <BluesKaj> but I guess the widget network manager in karmic is more stable from the reports I've seen
[13:33] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: for kernel it is: ubuntu-bug linux
[13:38] <norpan111> karmic WILL break? what is that?
[13:39] <norpan111> Is it so unstable?
[13:39] <norpan111> can someone tell something about big news in karmic?
[13:41] <platius> norpan111; http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4
[13:41] <norpan111> thnx
[13:41] <platius> k
[13:48] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: seems a pulseaudio issue
[13:49] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: I just found that last successful kernel is the same as alpha4's kernel
[13:54] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: hmm, even pulseaudio's version is the same
[13:54] <AnAnt> what is this ?@
[13:57] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: uh..so? i use xine,never used pulseaudio
[13:57] <AnAnt> dunno
[13:58] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: :P
[13:58] <AnAnt> anyways, the bug report is LP 414795
[13:58] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: cool...ill comment
[13:58] <AnAnt> cool!
[13:58] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:59] <slacker_nl> that is not a bug
[14:00] <slacker_nl> pc beep is aweful
[14:00] <slacker_nl> good riddens!
[14:00] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: dude do you have a script or something for uploading all the info you attached there?
[14:00] <shadeslayer> slacker_nl: heh..its useful for some and not useful for others...all about choice
[14:05] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: have a look....ill add anything you need :)
[14:05] <slacker_nl> shadeslayer: still hate it though :)
[14:08] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: i think you gave the wrong audio device.... it should be playback not capture
[14:08] <shadeslayer> right?
[14:08] <AnAnt> I didn't give, it was autogenerated by ubuntu-bug
[14:09] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: ohl
[14:09] <AnAnt> the only thing I wrote is till the line: I'm not sure ....
[14:09] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: hehe
[14:23] <Ian_Corne> hmm is there any bugreport i can subscribe to which will notify me when i can use fglrx again? :)
[14:25] <scizzo-> anyone else noticing that gconfd-2 is taking up a lot of cpu usage?
[14:30]  * Ian_Corne is trying fglrx on -6
[14:33] <andresmh> has anyone installed the new kernel 2.6.31-6?
[14:33] <andresmh> any issues to report?
[14:35] <Ian_Corne> I've installed it
[14:35] <Ian_Corne> not yet rebooted
[14:35] <BluesKaj> other than chromium plugins crashing , no
[14:35] <padman> I have, no sound no lm-sensors
[14:38] <andresmh> oh sound, oh sound
[14:38] <shadeslayer> andresmh: me....and no
[14:38] <shadeslayer> i have sound
[14:39] <BluesKaj> as do I
[14:39] <andresmh> i lost mic functionality since a few updates ago :(
[14:40] <BluesKaj> functionality , oh you mean use
[14:41] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:41] <scizzo-> I have sound also
[14:43]  * shadeslayer mumbles about the microblogging widget
[14:53] <millun> hi
[14:53] <millun> anybody knows if INTEL GM965 would run out of the box on Karmic Koala? with 3D
[15:06] <shadeslayer> hey anyone on KDE ?
[15:20] <shadeslayer> cuz i think dolphin just broke
[15:20] <kaddi> Hi, I was here yesterday with a broken karmic upgrade, basically I got no image when I booted into kernel *.31, while everything was fine with kernel *.28. Some people tried to help and I wanted to let them know, that I found a workaround. When I boot the kernel with the option "nomodeset" it runs fine.
[15:21] <shadeslayer> kaddi: KDE user?
[15:21] <kaddi> yes
[15:21] <shadeslayer> kaddi: can you run dolphin with the latest updates?
[15:22] <kaddi> shadeslayer, define latest updates. I upgraded yesterday, but am not on a nightly build or anything.
[15:22] <kaddi> dolphin runs fine, I have version 4:4.3.0-0ubuntu3
[15:22] <shadeslayer> kaddi: lets see....there was a kernel update today and some workspace updates
[15:22] <kaddi> ok, probably haven't gotten those then
[15:22] <christian_lappy> hey guys
[15:23] <shadeslayer> kaddi: i can run dolphin with kdesudo but not as a normal user
[15:23] <christian_lappy> i tried to upgrade from 8.10 to 9.10 alpha 4...
[15:23] <christian_lappy> but i got the jaunty upgrade
[15:23] <shadeslayer> christian_lappy: yes....
[15:23] <christian_lappy> shadeslayer: ahhh..
[15:23] <shadeslayer> christian_lappy: you can upgrade only via 9.04
[15:24] <christian_lappy> shadeslayer: ah, thanks for the info
[15:24] <shadeslayer> christian_lappy: no problemo
[15:24] <christian_lappy> shadeslayer: can i upgrade directly to 9.10 then without rebooting ?
[15:24] <shadeslayer> christian_lappy: yeah sure
[15:24] <christian_lappy> shadeslayer: nice :-)
[15:25] <kaddi> shadeslayer, it's proposing updates for bluetooth, I'm installing them now, but a priori nothing related to dolphin. I'll let you know though
[15:25] <shadeslayer> kaddi: sure,i had that update too :)
[15:25] <christian_lappy> hope my system does not get completely borked ;-)
[15:25] <kaddi> it's more fun when it does ;)
[15:25] <christian_lappy> kaddi:, lol
[15:25] <shadeslayer> haha
[15:26] <christian_lappy> so, is alpha 4 already somehow usable ?
[15:26] <shadeslayer> christian_lappy: quite stable imho
[15:26] <christian_lappy> nice
[15:26] <kaddi> shadeslayer, anything special to make dolphin crash? I just started it, clicked a couple of folders, everything seems fine
[15:26] <shadeslayer> christian_lappy: i updated today
[15:26] <shadeslayer> kaddi: it times out....
[15:26] <christian_lappy> ahhhh...
[15:27] <shadeslayer> kaddi: http://pastebin.ca/1532574
[15:27] <christian_lappy> is there any way to upgrade from 9.04 32bit to 9.10 64bit ????????
[15:27] <shadeslayer> kaddi: it opened
[15:27] <shadeslayer> :o
[15:27] <shadeslayer> christian_lappy: complete reinstall
[15:27] <christian_lappy> :-(
[15:28] <shadeslayer> kaddi: but but...its completely black :P
[15:28] <shadeslayer> oh there they are
[15:28] <kaddi> who's completely black? :p
[15:28] <shadeslayer> kaddi: dolphin
[15:28] <kaddi> ah, dolphin
[15:28] <christian_lappy> my lappy is still upgrading to 9.04 ....
[15:28] <shadeslayer> its very slow
[15:28] <kaddi> sry, kinda slow sometimes.
[15:29] <kaddi> nope, can't reproduce that, sry. It's working as it should on my end
[15:29] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:29] <christian_lappy> brw, can i use the netbook edition on non-atom cpus ?
[15:30] <kaddi> christian_lappy, I know how you're feeling, I did an upgrade marathon over the week-end... it was incredibly slow.. and it got slower the closer I got to karmic ;)
[15:31] <christian_lappy> my lappy is kinda out-dated
[15:31] <christian_lappy> therefor replacing packages takes time
[15:31] <shadeslayer> kaddi: is it possible to set the tty resolution
[15:32] <kaddi> mine too ;) and I must say karmic absolutely rocks to this aspect.. its using <200Mb of RAM and does nicely with my intel centrino processor :)
[15:32] <christian_lappy> kaddi: wow, thats great
[15:33] <christian_lappy> hope kubuntu is equal
[15:33] <kaddi> this is kubuntu ;)
[15:33] <christian_lappy> :-)
[15:33] <kaddi> shadeslayer, I would think so, but no clue how to do that :p
[15:33] <christian_lappy> mine is a pentium4
[15:34] <shadeslayer> kaddi: it can be done by editing the grub menu.lst.....but with grub 2 i have no idea
[15:36] <Leftmost> A few applications are showing Turkish as an available language on my system. I do not have the Turkish locale installed. Why is this?
[15:37] <shadeslayer> kaddi: so everything working fine after the upgrade ?
[15:37] <kaddi> shadeslayer, did you upgrade or install ?
[15:37] <kaddi> because I seem to still have the old grub1
[15:37] <shadeslayer> kaddi: i did a clean install,and then updated the system
[15:37] <shadeslayer> clean install of Karmic
[15:38] <kaddi> :)
[15:38] <shadeslayer> kaddi: its recommended that every alpha be a clean install right?
[15:38] <kaddi> shadeslayer, this is the first time I ever use an alpha, so I wouldn't know ;)
[15:38] <kaddi> I did an upgrade from jaunty
[15:38] <shadeslayer> kaddi: me too :)
[15:38] <christian_lappy> oh man, still upgrading
[15:39] <shadeslayer> christian_lappy: get a ISO and do a clean install
[15:39] <christian_lappy> shadeslayer: whyyyy ?
[15:39] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: hello
[15:39] <shadeslayer> kaddi: ill do a reboot in 20min after kubuntu-restricted-extras is done
[15:39] <kaddi> and set aside the kernel-issue mentioned earlier, I think my wireless stick is no longer recognized.. but I havne't looked into it
[15:39] <kaddi> so it might be easily resolvable
[15:40] <christian_lappy> kernel issue ?
[15:40] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: oh hey,the beep worked once here....dont know how though 0.o
[15:40] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: huh ?
[15:40] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: any hint ?
[15:40] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: what were you trying ?
[15:40] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: i compiled some nvidia drivers and then during the reboot there was this beep sound from the pcspkr
[15:40] <kaddi> christian_lappy, I wasn't getting any visual output after the upgrade with the new kernel, but found out, that disabling ksm enabled me to use the new kernel
[15:40] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: are you sure it wasn't beep from the BIOS ?
[15:40] <ikonia> you dont compile nvidia drivers - they are closed source
[15:41] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: i.e after the compile and before the shutdown
[15:41] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: yep
[15:41] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: well, tried another reboot ?
[15:41] <christian_lappy> ikonia: you compile the kernel module !
[15:41] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: nope...
[15:42] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: anyways, I still think you need to set the bug status to confirmed
[15:42] <ikonia> christian_lappy: the libC interface is built, the actual module is closed
[15:43] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: im currently having issues with dolphin,ill just reboot in about 20 mins :)
[15:45] <AnAnt> doloh
[15:45] <AnAnt> oh
[15:45] <kaddi> anyone has any experience with a dwl-g122 usb-stick from d-link and karmic? I know it was plug and play under gutsy, but is no longer recognized in karmic
[15:46] <bjsnider> it probably is recognized
[15:46] <shadeslayer> kaddi: wth, i typed dolphin in krunner a min ago and it opened up now
[15:46] <kaddi> lol
[15:46] <bjsnider> there could be a problem loading the driver
[15:46] <bjsnider> hal is being replaced with devicekit, so not everything is smooth on the hardware front right now
[15:47] <christian_lappy> fingers crossed for my wlan card
[15:47] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: but the beep didn't work again, did it ?
[15:47] <bjsnider> you could modprobe the driver yourself if you know what it is
[15:47] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: nopt
[15:47] <shadeslayer> *nope
[15:47] <AnAnt> ok
[15:48] <kaddi> bjsnider, I don't realy. :/
[15:48] <bjsnider> try looking it up
[15:49] <bjsnider> it might be ath5k, but i'm not sure if that driver was supposed to run usb sticks or not
[15:52] <kaddi> bjsnider, lsmod shows a rt73usb which looks a lot like a ralink driver to me, that's probably it, no?
[15:53] <bjsnider> i dunno. google it
[15:54] <kaddi> it is
[15:54] <kaddi> so the problem is probably somewhere else, as wicd is still showing "no networks available" and  ifconfig isn't showing the card
[15:55] <shadeslayer> thats bad :P
[15:55] <christian_lappy> kaddi: maybe some missing proprietary fw missing ?
[15:55] <kaddi> shadeslayer, I know, especially as I've never had serious trouble with wifi and don't have a clue about it :p
[15:56] <kaddi> should be fun :D
[15:56] <shadeslayer> kaddi: btw does your microblog widget work?
[15:57] <bjsnider> kaddi, modprobe the driver from the console
[15:57] <kaddi> i can add it and it displays on the screen.. :D what does it do?
[15:57] <shadeslayer> kaddi: lol,you can update twitter and identi.ca
[15:57] <shadeslayer> kaddi: my configure button wont go away...
[15:58] <kaddi> bjsnider, modprobe -l returns kernel/drfivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt73usb.ko
[15:58] <kaddi> shadeslayer, maybe it'll disappear once you twitter something?
[15:59] <shadeslayer> kaddi: nope
[15:59] <kaddi> to bad :p
[15:59] <shadeslayer> kaddi: it didnt even show the update
[15:59] <bjsnider> kaddi, modprobe rt73usb
[15:59] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:00] <kaddi> bjsnider, that doesn't return anything
[16:00] <shadeslayer> bjsnider: uh,sudo modprobe
[16:00] <bjsnider> it isn't supposed to
[16:00] <shadeslayer> hehe
[16:00] <bjsnider> it means the driver is now loaded
[16:02] <shadeslayer> kaddi: dolphin seems to have catched up :P
[16:02] <kaddi> bjsnider, that didn't change anything though. :/ Still not showing at ifconfig
[16:02] <kaddi> shadeslayer, nice :D
[16:03] <christian_lappy> kaddi: what does dmesg say ?
[16:04] <suit> KMix is only saving my channel options made through the GUI. Anyone got an idea?
[16:04] <suit> ehhh
[16:04] <suit> KMix is only saving my channel options made through the GUI _until I reboot_. Anyone got an idea?
[16:05] <kaddi> christian_lappy, this might be relevant: rt2x00usb_vendor_request: Error - Vendor Request 0x0a failed for offset 0x000 with error -19.
[16:06]  * kaddi is off to google
[16:06] <christian_lappy> kaddi: doesnt soung good..
[16:08] <kaddi> there's a bugreport about it, but no info or work around what soever :/
[16:09] <kaddi> hmm, blacklisting the ralink-software and trying some generic driver is probably not going to work, either, no?
[16:10] <shadeslayer> damn it
[16:10] <shadeslayer> i just lost sound
[16:10] <kaddi> oh
[16:11]  * kaddi hasn't actually tried sound yet
[16:11] <shadeslayer> it was working till i install kubuntu-restricted-extars
[16:11] <kaddi> well that's new for a change :D
[16:11] <solomon> is it a known prob for the display to go wonky after resume in karmic?
[16:11] <kaddi> usually it's the other way round ;)
[16:12] <shadeslayer> kaddi: haha
[16:13] <kaddi> sound is working here, though the speakers are aweful :p
[16:26] <BluesKaj> kaddi in some cases the sound is looping back to reconvert fro digital to analog and back again , strange happenings ...everyone curses pulseaudio but it runs under alsa very well if it's setup to.
[16:27] <kaddi> BluesKaj, I was actually refering to the speakers of my laptop and not to anything weird happening to the sound... it's a 6year old notebook, which had bad speakers to begin with.. so you can probably imagine ;)
[16:27] <BluesKaj> laptop spkrs are crappy no matter how new :P
[16:28] <AnAnt> Hello, I think something is wrong with pulseaudio on alpha4 indeed
[16:28] <AnAnt> sound works only if output device is oss
[16:32] <AnAnt> anyone noticed this ?
[16:38] <inthevidual> hey
[16:39] <kaddi> AnAnt, amarok is working fine here with pulseaudio as default and I'm up to date with all updates
[16:39] <inthevidual> quick opinions on the current state of karmic? :) is it usable if you know your way around linux? longtime sid user
[16:39] <AnAnt> inthevidual: yup, so far I got some minor issues with sound & PC beep
[16:40] <AnAnt> bye
[16:55] <nhasian> update manager decided i needed a bunch of kde stuff today.  even though i've never installed kde or any kde apps.
[16:55] <christian_lappy> lol
[16:56] <christian_lappy> i would starting being sceptical if it someday tries to install IE8 ;-)
[16:56] <kaddi> or safari for that :p
[16:56] <nhasian> i think i'm gonna skip updating for a couple of days and see if it gets cleaned up.
[16:57] <kaddi> nhasian, aren't some kde apps like amarok preinstalled by default even in ubuntu?
[16:57] <nhasian> kaddi, not to my knowledge.  rhythmbox is installed by default.  not amarok
[16:59] <BluesKaj> amarok needs the medibuntu repos
[17:00] <kaddi> hmm my memory must be playing tricks on me then
[17:04] <kaddi> could anyone explain to me what xv is? I'm trying to determine if this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/395932 is the bug I experienced when my PC stayed completely blank after booting the new kernel. The workarounds certainly worked for me
[17:38] <mac_v> cwillu: i'v actually submitted a new icon , for the indicator applet , the design team likes it but probs higher up :)
[18:09] <derekS> hey guys, are there any guides available for optimizing ubuntu+1 for ssd? I am guessing with ssds growing in popularity, ubuntu+1 should have ways to optimize for it?
[18:30] <stephank> Hello! I have a laptop that uses snd-hda-intel, and I think ICH8 chipset. One of the things with this thing is that 100% volume results in crackling sound. However, I can't figure out, how to set the volume to the 'sane' maximum, which is actually around 74%? Instead of using sliders to find a hidden sweet spot, now I'm turning to alsamixer all the time.
[18:42] <mac_v> stephank: are you running karmic/jaunty?
[18:43] <stephank> mac_v: karmic
[18:43] <BluesKaj> stephank, no kmix vol ctrl in the panel?
[18:43] <stephank> BluesKaj: gnome-volume-control-applet is there
[18:44] <mac_v> stephank: hmm... there have been a lot of probs after the recent pulse audio updates , you should report a bug , if not already reported
[18:44] <BluesKaj> or the gnome equivalent of the sokr icon in the panel'
[18:44] <BluesKaj> spkr
[18:44] <stephank> mac_v: okeedo
[18:45] <BluesKaj> the vol ctrl doesn't work ?
[18:46] <BluesKaj> stephank, that vol ctrl mis the same one alsa uses for it;s main input
[18:47] <BluesKaj> mis=is
[18:47] <stephank> BluesKaj: well, the issue is that I can't set my volume to the maximum, because I get crackling sound when I do that
[18:47] <stephank> it used to not be a problem when it only adjusted the master volume, but now it also adjusts the pcm volume.
[18:48] <BluesKaj> stephank, you arent supposed to set it to max , 70% should be enough , otherwise you're distorting the sound
[18:50] <stephank> BluesKaj: I guess the reason I do that is because I have external speakers, with an external volume control.
[18:52] <BluesKaj> no matter , you clip the output amp if you increase it too much
[19:38] <Kamilion> I've got a newer system with a LSI SAS2008 adapter supported by the mpt2sas.ko module. It exists in linux-image-2.6.31-5-server, but not in linux-image-2.6.31-5-generic which the Alpha 4 Server cd boots with. I've copied the module onto a USB stick, and insert it when the installer tells me to, but it never seems to find the .ko file. What directory am I supposed to place it in?
[19:40] <Kamilion> (Where does debian-installer load storage controller modules from when Detect Disks asks for modules and 'none of the above' is selected?)
[19:43] <ripps_> Why can't evince open compressed archives anymore?
[19:51] <BUGabundo> hu
[19:51] <BUGabundo> *hi
[19:54] <nztal> has alpha 4 improved a good deal better than alpha 3, there were some issues on alpha 3 that i caught with the proposed repository open, that weren't that great, network-manager-gnome was broken.  luckily i had a wicd deb locally on my hard drive to get functioning
[19:54] <nztal> at that point, i fell back to jaunty, though i'm not sure how things are rolling along now
[19:55] <BUGabundo> nztal: most of us update daily
[19:55] <BUGabundo> we don't compare milestones
[19:55] <BUGabundo> its useless
[19:55] <BUGabundo> cause so much changes between them
[19:55] <nztal> i see.  is it wise for me not to enable proposed at the alphan 4 point ?
[19:56] <Pici> There shouldn't be anything in -proposed
[19:56] <hggdh> well, I would not expect -proposed to be active right now for Karmic...
[19:56] <hggdh> since everything is, for all that matters, proposed
[19:56] <nztal> i've had some not so bad luck in previous alphas, i usually had proposed enabled at the time.  network-manager-gnome was a little scary having been broken
[19:57] <BUGabundo> nztal: there aren't any other pocket other then main and universe during devel cicle
[19:57] <BUGabundo> nztal: I break my NM daily
[19:57] <nztal> main and universe between milestones you mean ?
[19:57] <nztal> ooh ok :)
[19:57] <BUGabundo> even bisecing from GIT upstream
[19:57] <BUGabundo> as long as you have a set of debs with you that work, you should be safe
[19:58] <BUGabundo> of course, if you don't have enough experience, you are not expected to be running devel version
[19:58] <BUGabundo> unless you really want to help fix somehting that bothers you
[19:59] <nztal> got it.  i can actually put karmic on my laptop, as it is forced to use wicd.  i can't see to use the native network-manager-gnome and not have dns issues at starbucks.  i've not heard of a fix other than use something else
[19:59] <BUGabundo> several of us, run them so we can ensure a certain feature, app, hw works on final release
[19:59] <BUGabundo> nztal: how about using opendns.com ?
[20:00] <nztal> i realize that.  i've usually adopted at the alpha3 stage the past few releases.  i dont believe opendns would be fixing that issue.  its a somewhat rather odd way of logging in, its unencypted, and i authenicate with home dsl credentials.  when i've looked at /etc/resolv.conf, it doesn't look too ordinary
[20:00] <nztal> through the web that is
[20:00] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[20:01] <BUGabundo> its a web catchall gateway to generate a token
[20:03] <nztal> oh i see ok
[20:03] <nztal> yes, that hasn't worked out with the native network manager too well and i didn't see any solutions using google.
[20:05] <BUGabundo> there aint nothing in NM to make that hard
[20:05] <nztal> i've considered a very inexpensive "tethering" type option for my laptop, though i'm unsure of any providers that would allow that without a contract, using a 3g adaptor, and with preferable on a pay as you go basis.  i know that support is actually built into network-manager-gnome its just a matter of getting the settings right.  dont think i could afford an actual contact/subscription.
[20:05] <BUGabundo> you should get a connection to the open AP
[20:05] <BUGabundo> and then autenticate via web
[20:06] <nztal> yes.  i am able to connect to the local ap, i had issues though, where i couldn't get anywhere else, past logging in.  thats when coming to starbucks, after logging in at home, on the same laptop.  i've tried all sorts of troubleshooting including opendns.  its just a funny authentication that way
[20:28] <diverse_izzue> hey all. my screensaver on karmic never comes up. anyone else experiencing that?
[20:29] <Kamilion> Hm, getting an error: "Failed to determine the codename for the release." at "Install the base System"
[20:30] <BUGabundo> dinner
[20:30] <BUGabundo> bbl
[20:31] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/312505
[20:33] <ikonia> thats an interesting bug 312505
[20:37] <DarthArachides> I am having trouble with fixed width fonts on a basic setup done from netbook
[20:37] <DarthArachides> what all packages should I install?
[20:37] <DarthArachides> xterm gives the error message:"xterm: cannot load font -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1"
[20:38] <DarthArachides> is this karmic specific, or is it easy to miss font packages starting from netboot install?
[20:38] <norpan111> i dont really see much difference in 9.10 just more error msg :P
[20:38] <DarthArachides> oops, should have been netboot in the first case too
[20:39] <norpan111> I heard new theme etc?
[20:39] <norpan111> but i dont see anything..
[20:39] <norpan111> Not slightest difference
[20:39] <norpan111> Have a idea?
[20:40] <norpan111> ...
[20:40] <norpan111> Wich versoin of gnome is in karmic?
[20:41] <Pici> It will be 2.28 by release.
[20:42] <norpan111> okey
[20:42] <norpan111> but now?
[20:42] <norpan111> My nautilus windows etc, is not affected by theme change?
[20:42] <norpan111> Like human-theme...
[20:42] <norpan111> There is no human-theme when right click
[20:42] <norpan111> Or anything, just apps really
[20:43] <ikonia> why are you using 9.10 if you don't know what's in it ?
[20:43] <Pici> !enter
[20:43] <norpan111> Well gotta try to know eh ikonia  ? :P
[20:43] <ikonia> errr no
[20:43] <ikonia> not if it's unstable and you don't know what's in it
[20:43] <norpan111> w/e
[20:43] <norpan111> Somebody know why its this way?
[20:43] <Pici> norpan111: I don't understand what you're asking.  What does the version of gnome have to do with the human theme?
[20:44] <ikonia> norpan111: why "what" is "this" way ?
[20:44] <norpan111> Pici,  nothing, it was a different questin ;D
[20:44] <norpan111> ikonia,  why human-theme does not affect anything but apps.. when right-click, the menu is wrong
[20:45] <ikonia> norpan111: it's a theme - it's only going to effect the look, I actually thought the 9.10 theme had not been released yet
[20:45] <Pici> norpan111: If you feel that it is not working properly like it did in a previous version of Ubuntu then you should log a bug.
[20:45] <norpan111> it looks like "simple" controlls
[20:46] <ikonia> Pici: it's just the place holder theme I believe, the 9.10 has not been finished yet
[20:46] <ikonia> (the last time I checked)
[20:46] <Pici> ikonia: I wasn't aware that we were even getting a theme refresh this release.
[20:46] <Kamilion> does karmic support the 'toram' boot param?
[20:46] <norpan111> can 9.10 be reversed then
[20:46] <ikonia> it's been discussed on the forums a bit so I "believe" there is, but I'm not %100
[20:46] <ikonia> norpan111: no
[20:46] <norpan111> nice
[20:47] <ikonia> norpan111: that's the situation for upgrading without understanding what you're doing
[20:48] <nztal> karmic made alpha 4, just yesterday ?
[20:48] <guntbert> norpan111: just to play with it use a virtual machine
[20:49] <kaddi> nztal really?
[20:49] <ikonia> nztal: looks that way
[20:49] <nztal> i was looking at the release schedule
[20:49] <nztal> looks that way :)
[20:49] <ikonia> nztal: not got it yet, but it looks released
[20:49] <kaddi> how do you test which alpha release is running on your system?
[20:49] <kaddi> i just upgraded yesterday, I'm wondering if I'm running alpha 3 or 4 now
[20:49] <nztal> i tend to get the daily builds, if i need it on media.  this laptop is going back to karmic at this point, it doesn't require gnome's network-manager
[20:49] <ikonia> not sure if lsb_release shows it
[20:50] <ikonia> can normally work it out from the kernel
[20:50] <ikonia> kaddi: if you upgraded/keep it up to date, you'll be running 5
[20:50] <ikonia> 4
[20:50] <kaddi> lsb_release doesn't it says "developpment branch" but not which alpha
[20:50] <nztal> i think i heard there wouldn't be a LTS release until one or two releases after karmic
[20:50] <kaddi> ikonia ok, it's what I figured. I just thought that by "I haven't got it yet" you meant, that it hadn't reached the reps yet
[20:51] <ikonia> kaddi: not sure about the repos, cd seems out
[20:51] <ikonia> nztal: 9.10 isn't lts
[20:51] <kaddi> ikonia I did a upgrade from the repos, ah well... I'll get it eventually ;)
[20:51] <nztal> 9.10 is karmic isn't it ?  i know this one wouldn't be a LTS
[21:06] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: no kernel has had support for toram for many cycles, even after I pushed a bug and a thread on the devel MLs
[21:07] <DanaG> interesting... the pulseaudio suspend script tries to sudo with uid ##1000
[21:07] <DanaG> yeah, two pound signs.
[21:08] <BUGabundo> DanaG: that's two bugs then
[21:08] <BUGabundo> should not _guess_ the user uid
[21:09] <DanaG> It does "for each".
[21:09] <kaddi> BUGabundo I managed to get that kernel bootet, had to disable KSM and everything was fine. FYI :)
[21:09] <BUGabundo> thanks kaddi
[21:10] <BUGabundo> did u file a bug on it yet?
[21:10] <BUGabundo> kaddi: $ ubuntu-bug linux should do it
[21:12] <kaddi> BUGabundo I think there is already a bug report on it, reported in july, apparently KSM was enabled when karmic switch from alpha2 to alpha3 and it immediately got noticed
[21:12] <BUGabundo> ok
[21:15] <bjsnider> fglrx support for the 2.6.29 kernel was only released today.
[21:17] <DanaG> oh yeah, so that 9.8 is out now?  spiffy.
[21:18] <DanaG> Probably still misses find_task_by_vpid.
[21:18] <DanaG> I wish Ubuntu would re-export that in their kernels.
[21:21] <DanaG> http://lists.mandriva.com/kernel-discuss/2009-07/msg00015.php
[21:25] <norpan111> my install is not broken, its just acting little wierd with the themes. And im about to report bug
[21:26] <norpan111> everything has the same theme until it requires a password for mounting a device, then everything gets ugly
[21:27] <geohot> hey
[21:27] <BUGabundo> norpan111: known
[21:27] <kaddi> hi
[21:28] <geohot> trying to install nightly on ps3
[21:28] <BUGabundo> bug on udev
[21:28] <geohot> can't find install cdrom
[21:28] <BUGabundo> geohot: eheheheh
[21:28] <BUGabundo> geohot: you mean daily LOL
[21:28] <geohot> yea i saw the bug, but it's old
[21:29] <norpan111> BUGabundo,  its known?
[21:29] <geohot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/322600
[21:29] <norpan111> gutsy ps3 BUGabundo  ?
[21:30] <geohot> but it said it was fixed in 8.10
[21:30] <geohot> this is 9.10
[21:30] <norpan111> yep
[21:30] <BUGabundo> geohot: don't confuse norpan111 !!!!!
[21:30] <norpan111> Im already confues =/ fail
[21:30] <BUGabundo> you guys are talking about Diff bugs ok?
[21:30] <norpan111> i have no idea
[21:30] <BUGabundo> I know
[21:31] <norpan111> Ok
[21:31] <BUGabundo> geohot: yours is a new one, prob a regression from that one,
[21:31] <BUGabundo> pff the name is wrong
[21:31] <norpan111> Is there someting i can do about it?
[21:31] <norpan111> that everything except apps is ugly-wierd theme
[21:31]  * BUGabundo feels like to cut a finger on everyone who writes ubuntu with an 'o'
[21:32] <norpan111> becaus its pronounced???? that way
[21:32] <BUGabundo> norpan111: one of your bugs is the udev one
[21:32] <geohot> anyone know how it was fixed last time?
[21:32] <norpan111> Mkey
[21:32] <norpan111> maybe ill just reinstlal ubuntu ,D
[21:32] <norpan111> I never listen to warnings like " 9.10 will break!!"
[21:32] <norpan111> =/
[21:33] <BUGabundo> heh
[21:33] <BUGabundo> I usually reserv that as a LAsT chance
[21:33] <BUGabundo> most probs can be fixed
[21:33] <norpan111> Well im noob, i should not play around with these things xD
[21:33] <norpan111> Cuz i just irritate everyone on irc :P
[21:34] <Kamilion> the only way to become not-a-noob is to play around with things.
[21:34] <bjsnider> if you are new to it, then install and use jaunty
[21:34] <norpan111> thats what i said to ikonia
[21:34] <norpan111> He did not agree
[21:34] <Kamilion> but RTFM and search google first.
[21:34] <norpan111> I had jaunty ;D and broke it with 9.10
[21:34] <Kamilion> We help those who help themselves :)
[21:34] <norpan111> I never should try out 9.10...
[21:34] <StR|Sangreal> Kamilion: i am noobing around with things for quite long, and ... it somehow doesn't bring any success... xd
[21:34] <Kamilion> common thing. backup your /home and do a fresh install of karmic.
[21:35] <Kamilion> StR|Sangreal: then approach from a different angle. Go play in Debian's sandbox, or go try out Linux From Scratch, tinker a bit with Gentoo...
[21:35] <norpan111> now i should download illegal movies
[21:35] <BUGabundo> spending a cycle on ubuntu-user ML will teach you many many things
[21:35] <norpan111> bye guys!
[21:35] <BUGabundo> it was my first real learning spot
[21:36] <BUGabundo> oh one more??
[21:36] <StR|Sangreal> yeah, there is no royal path in wisdom...
[21:36] <BUGabundo> how many time will I have to say * there is NO need to put HOME on a diff partition *
[21:36] <bjsnider> there is
[21:36] <BUGabundo> stop spreadig MissInformation
[21:37] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: we already discussed this
[21:37] <BUGabundo> it waint
[21:37] <BUGabundo> believe me , or keep up the old school
[21:37] <mac_v> BUGabundo: why no need for separate /home?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> mac_v: its been like this since hardy
[21:38] <Kamilion> Personally, I put my /home on a seperate partition, but *I* use LVM and need to extend the volume occasionally as my users increase their usage. A *DESKTOP* machine is perfectly fine with /home on the / partition.
[21:38] <BUGabundo> from that point on the installer is capable of removing old system files, and put a new system
[21:38] <BUGabundo> without thouching user space files
[21:38] <bjsnider> i don't trust it
[21:38] <hggdh> folks, calm there. There is no need to, but it does not mean it cannot be done
[21:38] <mac_v> i find have a separate *the most* useful feature , helps reinstalling without loosing info or settings
[21:38] <Kamilion> BUGabundo: I am wary, once I made a simple mistake and told it to format the wrong partition in the installer.
[21:39] <bjsnider> and i want the system files located separately at the start of the drive so they're accessed faster
[21:39] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: grub2 supports now full disk LVM without need for /boot on ext2
[21:39] <Kamilion> Also, LVM snapshots.
[21:39] <Kamilion> Ooh, does it?
[21:39] <Kamilion> Crap, I *JUST* installed 9.10 with a 256MB /boot outside of the LVM :/
[21:39] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: that is solved with BACKUPs not with partitions
[21:39] <BUGabundo> Kamilion: RTFM
[21:39] <BUGabundo> :)
[21:39] <Kamilion> Also, home on certain machines are mounted via NFS
[21:40] <Kamilion> depends on the user.
[21:40] <BUGabundo> that's buggy as help AFAIN
[21:40] <bjsnider> i wouldn't do that. too slow
[21:40] <StR|Sangreal> have a nice time up there :)
[21:40] <Kamilion> I don't make the NASA rules, I just follow them. :P
[21:41] <Kamilion> Technically I'm not even supposed to be running beta operating systems, but I'm forced to run karmic because jaunty doesn't support my SAS2008 6gbit controller.
[21:42] <bjsnider> you could use jaunty with a karmic kernel
[21:42] <bjsnider> or a kernel from a ppa
[21:42] <Kamilion> or roll my own
[21:42] <bjsnider> nah
[21:42] <bjsnider> too much time
[21:42] <Kamilion> but nobody will tell me how to load a .ko from a usb stick in debian-installer
[21:43] <Kamilion> probably likely that the bus-factor is high for that procedure
[21:44] <Kamilion> Cause the Alpha 4 server install disc boots with the 2.6.31-5-generic kernel, and the mpt2sas.ko only exists on the 2.6.31-5-server kernel (But generic will load the module if I copy it to the right place and depmod -a)
[21:44] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: you really like to bend the rules right
[21:44] <BUGabundo> ?
[21:45] <BUGabundo> :%}
[21:45] <bjsnider> which rules are those?
[21:46] <mac_v> Pici: no new theme for karmic , *maybe* the icon theme would be changed to Humanity , theme wise, kwwii working on a new one only for Karmic +1 or LTS
[21:46] <hggdh> Kamilion, if the modules was not built with the kernel, there are good chances it will not work
[21:47] <Kamilion> generic and server are built from the same source, just with a different config. In my case, loading the -server module on -generic worked since the module has no other dependancies.
[21:48] <hggdh> ah, OK. So what was your problem?
[21:48] <Kamilion> I've got a newer system with a LSI SAS2008 adapter supported by the mpt2sas.ko module. It exists in linux-image-2.6.31-5-server, but not in linux-image-2.6.31-5-generic which the Alpha 4 Server cd boots with. I've copied the module onto a USB stick, and insert it when the installer tells me to, but it never seems to find the .ko file. What directory am I supposed to place it in?
[21:49]  * Kamilion simplifies: Where does debian-installer load storage controller modules from when Detect Disks asks for modules and 'none of the above' is selected?
[21:49] <bjsnider> why does the server image boot with the generic kernel?
[21:49] <DanaG> hmm, can you nust manually 'cp' it and 'insmod' it?
[21:49] <hggdh> I would say the same one under the server
[21:49] <Kamilion> it tells me to insert a floppy or USB stick
[21:50] <Kamilion> bjsnider: I wish I knew. If it booted with the -server kernel, I'd have no problems :)
[21:50] <hggdh> Kamilion, heh. And you have, I guess the module already in disk...
[21:50] <bjsnider> you could replace the kernel on the iso and burn it with the server kernel i suppose
[21:51] <mac_v> BUGabundo: the installer has those settings? to not remove users old config? i never realized that !
[21:51] <Kamilion> yeah, pulled down the linux-image-2.6.31-5-server deb package from packages.ubuntu.com and yanked the file out and hucked it on my usb stick, copied it to /lib/modules/<ver>-generic/kernel/drivers/scsi/mpt2sas/mpt2sas.ko, ran a depmod -a, modprobed mpt2sas (sucessful) and installed to LVM.
[21:53]  * hggdh stops booting the server VM
[21:53] <kaddi> what exactly is Xv? If someone says his graphic driver is unable to provide xv, does that mean he doesn't get a visual output?
[21:53] <Kamilion> but the thing is, A: debian-installer tries to mount /dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1, and B: I don't know what directory the file should be under to be found by debian-installer even if it did correctly mount the right partition on /media
[21:53] <hggdh> so all we are left with is open a bug asking for the module to be built with the -generic image
[21:54] <Kamilion> hggdh: Well, why is the server install cd starting up with the -generic kernel instead of the -server kernel?
[21:54] <Kamilion> Can I boot with a -server kernel from the existing CD? (are both on there and I just missed it?)
[21:54] <bjsnider> check the manifest list
[21:54] <hggdh> Kamilion, this is a question for the server maintainers
[21:55] <Kamilion> I had already assumed I needed to file a bug, but I'm still figuring out which package to target the bug on, and attempting to write a reproduction case so I don't just get 'not enough info, bug closed'
[21:56] <Kamilion> solve problem, file bug, submit patch.... :)
[21:56] <hggdh> you should not get the bug closed this way, only get it as incomplete
[21:56] <Kamilion> either way, I shouldn't waste the server-maintainer's time.
[21:56] <hggdh> let me recoup a bit: you booted the server install, and it came with the desktop kernel?
[21:57] <Kamilion> Aye.
[21:57] <hggdh> then -- to my humble view -- this is the bug
[21:57] <hggdh> I would expect the server install to boot the server imiage
[21:57] <bjsnider> where's the iso image you downloaded?
[21:57] <Kamilion> Aye. But which package to file the bug on? the -generic kernel or the -server kernel? Or ubiquity?
[21:57] <Kamilion> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-4/karmic-server-amd64.iso
[21:58] <BUGabundo> starting in karmic the image is the same
[21:58] <hggdh> it this runs under ubiquity, then ubiquity
[21:58] <BUGabundo> the entire kernel system change
[21:58] <BUGabundo> *changed
[21:58] <kaddi> BUGabundo maybe you could help me out quickly. this is the bugreport I think describes my bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/395932 The workaround sure works for me. However I can't find what "my graphics driver is unable to provide xv"  means. Does it mean, there is no visual output?
[21:58] <hggdh> or simply open a bug asking for the module to be provided
[21:58] <BUGabundo> to have only 2 or 3 kernels
[21:58] <kaddi> I don't want to open up a duplicate for a known bug...
[21:59] <BUGabundo> hggdh: can you help kaddi? busy replying to work emails
[22:00] <bjsnider> Kamilion, this is the list of files on that iso: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-4/karmic-server-amd64.list
[22:01] <bjsnider> it includes the server kernel
[22:02] <Kamilion> okay... I'll poke around with the isolinux menu then
[22:02] <bjsnider> clearly the wrong kernel is being chosen at boot time
[22:02] <vesayth1> Hello folks, I have a couple issues with karmic on my laptop but I'm not sure just yet if I should drop a bug on them or whether or not they've been addressed (i haven't found anything on them)
[22:03] <vesayth1> I think the most important one for me is DNS doesn't seem to be resolving when I connect to my home server via OpenVPN
[22:03] <vesayth1> Server is running on Jaunty 64 bit, this laptop is running Karmic 32 bit
[22:09] <Kamilion> vesayth1: Do you have a proper push of the dns servers? Some openvpn packages don't by default.
[22:10] <vesayth1> Kamilion: yes, the problem doesn't seem to be on the server side
[22:10] <vesayth1> Kamilion: before upgrading to karmic, it worked fine. And I just checked to ensure that it still works on my windows partition and it does
[22:10] <kaddi> I think this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/395932 describes my bug, the workaround sure works for me. However I can't find what "my graphics driver is unable to provide xv"  means and so am not sure if I should post in that thread or create a new bug. Does it mean, there is no visual output?
[22:11] <Kamilion> also, I had to add a entry to my openvpn config to push the local domain, otherwise I could only do FQDN lookups even if the DNS server IP was pushed
[22:12] <vesayth1> I've pushed the local domain as well as the opendns nameservers
[22:13] <Kamilion> ahh, that's why. OpenDNS has no idea what your local domain's internal IPs are.
[22:13] <Kamilion> you need to push your local DNS server and set that up to use opendns as an upstream DNS server to get local hostname resolution.
[22:13] <vesayth1> Ok, but that doesn't explain to me why it works in Jaunty and Windows
[22:14] <vesayth1> was there a change in Karmic that makes it resolve differently?
[22:14] <Kamilion> Not sure. I'm in the middle of installing Karmic now myself.
[22:15] <Kamilion> or, trying to, if I didn't get distracted every time I'm waiting for the bios to prompt me to push F11 to boot from CD.
[22:15] <vesayth1> it happens
[22:15] <Kamilion> :)
[22:15] <vesayth1> i guess I'll go play with my config for the server, unfortunately i don't have physical access to it right now as I'm in Mississippi and it's in Florida >.>
[22:16] <vesayth1> but i'll have to make due with ssh i suppose
[22:16] <Kamilion> server bioses take too long to boot... hehe
[22:17] <Kamilion> vesayth1: just mentioning my own pain points with openvpn and dns.
[22:19] <Kamilion> will yours do fqdn lookups currently?
[22:19] <Kamilion> oh, oh!
[22:19] <vesayth1> I'm not sure, I'll have to take a look
[22:19] <Kamilion> You said 'it works in jaunty and windows' -- does that mean you're using winbind to do local hostname resolution via samba?
[22:20] <Kamilion> cause that would 'bypass' the problem of opendns not knowing your internal ips, if your nsswitch.conf is consulting wins or mdns before full dns
[22:20] <vesayth1> yes i'm using winbind on my samba share
[22:21] <Kamilion> and with a fresh install of karmic, you wouldn't have samba or winbind installed off the bat
[22:22] <vesayth1> well, I didn't install Karmic on the server
[22:22] <Kamilion> i mean on the client. You still need samba/winbind to do wins resolution
[22:22] <vesayth1> and this wasn't really a fresh install on the client
[22:22] <vesayth1> I did the upgrade
[22:23] <vesayth1> but i'll double check to see if those are installed
[22:23] <vesayth1> hmm, winbind is but not samba
[22:25] <Kamilion> bjsnider: Hm, I can't seem to find any other bootable kernels on the A4 server cd, just the installable package
[22:25] <bjsnider> that sucks
[22:25] <Kamilion> yup. Guess I'll file the bug then.
[22:26] <bjsnider> not much choice at this point
[22:27] <bjsnider> is there a daily-live server iso?
[22:27] <Kamilion> Not sure.
[22:27] <bjsnider> if so, maybe they can fix it quickly
[22:27] <vesayth1> ok that doesn't seem to help
[22:27] <vesayth1> installing samba
[22:27] <vesayth1> not sure if my last 2 messages went through
[22:27] <vesayth1> but installing samba didn't seem to work
[22:27] <maxb> Is there ever a "live" "server" iso? I don't think so
[22:28] <Kamilion> vesayth1: they went through. But that's too bad that it didn't work. I'll give it a shot myself in a bit once I get Karmic installed
[22:30] <vesayth1> maybe I should try a fresh install
[22:30] <BluesKaj> maxb, the servers are repositories of linux images and applications that can be installed by updating or upgrading depending on your desires
[22:30] <vesayth1> maybe that will get my wireless working as well
[22:31] <Kamilion> vesayth1: might your wireless require some firmware somehow? bc43xx or such?
[22:31] <BluesKaj> oh server versions , maxb ..now i gotcha ..there are if you search
[22:32] <vesayth1> Kamilion: it's Atheros. There's a workaround for my problem, I have a script that runs modprobe -r -f ath5k and then modprobe ath5k
[22:32] <vesayth1> and that fixes it
[22:32] <vesayth1> But I don't want to run that script every time I boot
[22:32] <vesayth1> it's listed in bug 395565
[22:33] <BluesKaj> vesayth1, I run wicd with atheros , works well
[22:33] <BluesKaj> on my laptop that is
[22:33] <kaddi> vesayth1 das ath5k support usb sticks as well?
[22:33] <vesayth1> BluesKaj: I think we had this conversation yesterday, but I'm leery of doing that as I need to be able to use my OpenVPN as well
[22:33] <vesayth1> kaddi: I have no idea
[22:34] <kaddi> ok, thanks anyway :)
[22:35] <kaddi> I have a ralink usb-stick that does get recognized by karmic (modprobe shows rt73usb running), but it is not listed in ifconfig and I can't see any wifi networks..
[22:35] <Kamilion> http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/bd55/ <--- ralink like that?
[22:35] <vesayth1> kaddi: try lspci and see if it shows up that way
[22:35] <bjsnider> vesayth1, that bug was fixed
[22:36] <vesayth1> bjsnider: Yes I know but apparently not completely
[22:36] <kaddi> Kamilion its a dwl-g122 and it's a LOT slower than what you linked
[22:36] <Kamilion> ahh, the dlink
[22:36] <vesayth1> bjsnider: they were suggesting doing some things with rfkill, but those directories don't even exist on my laptop
[22:36] <kaddi> Kamilion yeah sorry, I keep mixing them up
[22:36] <BluesKaj> vesayth1, why are you worried , it's anetwork manager that acyaully easier to configuer than the kde one
[22:37] <vesayth1> BluesKaj: I guess I'll give it a try
[22:37] <kaddi> vesayth1: it does not show up in lspci, but it does show up in lsusb
[22:38] <morecowbell> i just installed karmic (UNR) but the netbook desktop keeps crashing. how do i bring it back?
[22:38] <vesayth1> kaddi: sorry that's what I meant
[22:38] <kaddi> vesayth1 :)  so what does that mean for me?
[22:39] <kaddi> vesayth1 ok, all is fine, it just magically appeared in wicd o.o
[22:39] <vesayth1> kaddi: you said it's an atheros based card right?
[22:39] <vesayth1> kaddi: oh alright ^^
[22:39] <Kamilion> guess it just needed a prod, heh
[22:40] <kaddi> hehe, I tried prodding it this afternoon and it wouldn
[22:40] <kaddi> t do squad.. Now I haven't touched it for hours and it works :p
[22:41] <vesayth1> Ok, I just installed wicd, how do you configure vpn through this?
[22:45] <morecowbell> is there a channel for the netbook version of ubuntu?
[22:46] <morecowbell> the netbook interface crashed (i just installed karmic) and i don't know how to bring it back without rebooting
[22:46] <morecowbell> nevermind...the command is netbook-launcher :D
[22:47] <kaddi> let's see what happens after a reboot :p
[22:58] <vesayth1> Yeah i'm not seeing a way to connect to openvpn with wicd
[22:58] <vesayth1> network-manager was much easier to work with in that regard
[23:14] <jaysonsantos> Hello people, I was installing flashplayer-plugin-installer and then my pc reboot because I kicked my power cable. Now when I execute sudo dpkg --configure -a in my Karmic VM I'm receiving this message http://paste.ubuntu.com/254768/
[23:17]  * BUGabundo checks
[23:18] <BUGabundo> oh oh
[23:18] <BUGabundo> corrupt apt db
[23:18] <BUGabundo> /var/lib/dpkg/status
[23:18] <jaysonsantos> BUGabundo Can I rebuild that ?
[23:18] <BUGabundo> mayb make a copy, remove that line,
[23:19] <BUGabundo> and try to distupgrade
[23:20] <jaysonsantos> BUGabundo but i'm using the last development distribution
[23:21] <BUGabundo> yeah I now
[23:21] <BUGabundo> *know
[23:21] <BUGabundo> aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade
[23:24] <jaysonsantos> BUGabundo I just erased that line, /var/lib/dpkg/updates/* and /var/lib/dpkg/avaliable* and that worked
[23:24] <jaysonsantos> thank you
[23:24] <BUGabundo> np
[23:24] <BUGabundo> try to purge and reinstal the affected package
[23:24] <BUGabundo> a sudo dpkg --configure -a
[23:24] <BUGabundo> doesn't hurt either
[23:26] <rleeds> I don't remember this being a problem in jaunty, so I ask here, but it might be totally unrelated. Emacs GTK, when I have certain files open in different programming languages, adds a language-specific menu to the menubar, but it comes up as empty these days.
[23:26] <rleeds> I don't know when it started happening.
[23:26] <rleeds> Anyone else experiencing this?
[23:26] <rleeds> I thought it was just a problem with erlang-mode but I'm eding a c++ file today and get the same problem.
[23:27] <rleeds> Also, I've been googling like hell for something similar, but find it nowhere, which is the only reason I even suspect ubuntu of being at fault at all, though I'm going to ask in #emacs as well.
[23:29] <bjsnider> rleeds, why don't you reporteth a buggeth on the packageth?
[23:30] <rleeds> bjsnider: because I want to verify that it's actually a problem in ubuntu first and not just something stupid I did.
[23:30] <bjsnider> just wipe out the local config directory and you'll be certain of it
[23:30] <rleeds> let me try moving my emacs config away
[23:30] <rleeds> yeah
[23:30] <rleeds> exactly
[23:31] <bjsnider> maybe ~/.emacs
[23:31] <bjsnider> or whatever
[23:31] <rleeds> .emacs.d, close enough
[23:31] <bjsnider> even if you did this through your local config, i still think it's a bug. it blanked out this menu you want
[23:32] <rleeds> bjsnider: yeah. it's happening with default config too.
[23:32] <bjsnider> 'tis a bug, it is
[23:33] <rleeds> I figured someone in here used emacs and could verify it quickly, though.
[23:34] <BUGabundo> rleeds: we are happy enough to test just one OS at a time :)
[23:34] <rleeds> lol, BUGabundo
[23:35] <Kamilion> blah. Debian-installer's LVM wizard is broken.
[23:36] <Kamilion> well, not so much the wizard, but...
[23:37] <Kamilion> for some reason it sees two identical western digital WD1001-FALS Black 1TBs as different sizes. But if I add a 8MB partition to the start, then they show up as identical. but as soon as I delete the dummy partition, lvm wigs out again.
[23:40] <Kamilion> heh, and saving the debug log ends up with a 4.5MB partman log, hahaha
[23:42] <bjsnider> are those 10k rpm drives?
[23:43] <Kamilion> Don't think so, I think they're 7200 RPM, but they're supposed to have 32MB cache and some kind of a second arm processor on the controller board for 'higher performance'.
[23:43] <robin0800_> Kamilion: 8Mb is usally the default dummy partion when you install windows and use its partion editor
[23:44] <Kamilion> I ended up just spawning a shell and using fdisk directly. Creating the lvm partitions manually and then using pvcreate and vgcreate, then went back to the installer to populate the vg.
[23:45] <bjsnider> i  thought the 1001 designation might signify 10k rpm
[23:46] <Kamilion> bjsnider: AFAIK, it's the size. Shows up as 1.001 TB
[23:46] <Kamilion> Yay! it's booting from the whole-disk LVM!
[23:48] <suit> So, I just booted into a black screen with Kubuntu. Alt+F2 works and I can start programs from there and see them, too. Just no desktop, no taskbar, no widgets. Any ideas?
[23:55] <rleeds> bjsnider: in case you're curious, I submitted it as bug 415101