| DanaG | So, I see the whole screen flicker, because it redraws continuously... at about 1 or 2 FPS. | 00:00 |
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| lifeofguenter | hmm that does not sound good | 00:00 |
| DanaG | yeah, I went back to non-gfxboot. | 00:01 |
| EagleScreen | hello | 00:33 |
| EagleScreen | please anyone with karmic and /home in ext4 partition can help me? | 00:33 |
| EagleScreen | I need the /etc/fstab line for /home in ext4 | 00:34 |
| EagleScreen | anyone can paste it for me, please? | 00:34 |
| DanaG | UUID=02ba95db-853e-49df-b90e-294c806cac54 /homeext4relatime 0 2 | 00:35 |
| DanaG | I'm not sure on the options, though -- I've changed mine. | 00:35 |
| DanaG | I think the default may be relatime,errors=remount-ro | 00:35 |
| DanaG | But the "0 2" is correct -- makes it check it after root. | 00:35 |
| ripps | Isn't everybody's UUID unique? | 00:35 |
| DanaG | yeah, to get your uuid, 'sudo blkid ' | 00:36 |
| EagleScreen | i am interested in options and in <dump> <pass> integers | 00:36 |
| EagleScreen | do you think this is right? | 00:38 |
| EagleScreen | /dev/sda4/homeext4relatime,errors=remount-ro02 | 00:38 |
| EagleScreen | /dev/sda4/home ext4 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 2 | 00:39 |
| Spee_der | Is there a way with the Karmic kernel 2.6.31.-5 #24 in the command line to tell it to NOT look for the battery state please ?? This is where it is locking up on boot..... | 00:41 |
| Spee_der | I finally got to the boot menu list screen..... Phew..... | 00:41 |
| DanaG | EagleScreen: looks about right to me. | 00:42 |
| EagleScreen | thanks | 00:42 |
| billybigrigger | EagleScreen, default for ext4 on my system is just relatime | 00:54 |
| billybigrigger | UUID=ac555012-2a40-4641-9b85-373f8db7e929 /home ext4 relatime 0 2 | 00:54 |
| EagleScreen | thanks billybigrigger | 00:54 |
| billybigrigger | np | 00:55 |
| DanaG | http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12898 | 01:06 |
| ubottu | bugzilla.kernel.org bug 12898 in Serial ATA "External drive on eSATA are not considered as removable/hotplug" [Normal,Rejected: invalid] | 01:06 |
| DanaG | Invalid? Hah! | 01:06 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12127 | 01:08 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 12127 in hald "HAL does not consider eSATA drives to be hotpluggable" [Normal,New] | 01:08 |
| J-_ | Is there anyway to reconfigure pulseaudio in kubuntu? | 01:43 |
| J-_ | why doesn't PulseAudio Preferences work in Kubuntu karmic? | 02:50 |
| DanaG | I've been wondering that, myself. | 02:55 |
| crashsystems | Is anyone aware of a bug in Karmic that causes the screensaver not to turn on? I just searched on Launchpad and did not find anything. | 02:58 |
| billybigrigger | anyone having problems with flash and chromium? | 03:00 |
| crashsystems | billybigrigger: not much, no. it is not perfect, but not much worse than flash in firefox | 03:01 |
| billybigrigger | where is your flash .so located? | 03:01 |
| billybigrigger | and are you using the newest update alpha of flash? | 03:02 |
| crashsystems | /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so | 03:02 |
| crashsystems | I'm using the generic flash 10 32 bit from adobe.com | 03:02 |
| billybigrigger | 10.0.32.18 | 03:02 |
| billybigrigger | 64bit right? | 03:02 |
| crashsystems | 10.0 r32 | 03:02 |
| crashsystems | I'm on 64bit ubuntu, but using 32 bit flash. | 03:03 |
| crashsystems | chromium for linux is always built 32bit | 03:03 |
| mase_work | are kubuntu karmic issues discussed in #ubuntu+1 also or is it only for ubuntu ? | 03:03 |
| Mactabilis | ello | 03:04 |
| Mactabilis | anyone running UNR on a Samsung NC10 ? | 03:04 |
| billybigrigger | mase_work, +1 chat is here only | 03:05 |
| kurisuto | Question: I want to install version 5.8 of Catalyst (a Perl-based web development framework). I've got Ubuntu 9.04 installed. Ubuntu 9.04 has Catalyst 5.7 (an old version). I see that Karmic has Catalyst 5.8. Is there some way I can take advantage of that Catalyst 5.8 package from Karmic to install Catalyst 5.8 in my Ubuntu 9.04 installation? Or is that definitely impossible? | 03:05 |
| Mactabilis | noone testing the unr koala on a nc10 ? :( | 03:06 |
| billybigrigger | you can't run karmic packages in jaunty | 03:06 |
| crashsystems | kurisuto: I think that would depend upon what Catalyst in Karmic was dependent upon, and the version numbers | 03:06 |
| DanaG | ugh, naming collision with ATI drivers. =รพ | 03:07 |
| kurisuto | Is it an unwise thing to try to do, in general? | 03:08 |
| crashsystems | I think the worst thing that would happen is that you'd have a broken package to uninstall | 03:08 |
| kurisuto | Any pointer as to how I'd go about trying it? | 03:09 |
| crashsystems | download the package and see if it will install | 03:09 |
| Mactabilis | anyone using karmic UNR at all ? :) | 03:10 |
| billybigrigger | anyone here use gnome-shell? | 03:12 |
| danbhfive1 | Mactabilis: Im testing the bootup time on a eee1000HE | 03:13 |
| Mactabilis | danbhfive1 hows the netbook-launcher running for ya ? Mine crashed like every 5min. If I remove a favortie -> crash, if I select "Services" --> crash, and so on. Did you notice something alike ? | 03:14 |
| danbhfive1 | Mactabilis: actually, I've been avoiding using it, since my fan didn't seem to be spinning up | 03:15 |
| Mactabilis | mh, I see. Anyone else who tried karmic UNR ? | 03:16 |
| mase_work | Mactabilis: what is UNR ? | 03:22 |
| x1250 | billybigrigger, 'you can't' is too much, and probably false. You can, but it may not work. | 03:23 |
| Mactabilis | mase_work Ubuntu Netbook Remix | 03:23 |
| mase_work | ah ok | 03:24 |
| DanaG | I wish Ubuntu would export find_task_by_vpid in their kernels. | 03:24 |
| DanaG | http://www.nabble.com/-Cooker--Re:--RPM--cooker-non-free-release-fglrx-8.620-2mdv2010.0-td24636966.html | 03:24 |
| billybigrigger | catalyst 5.8 is debian testing | 03:26 |
| billybigrigger | you could easily request a merge on launchpad and have 5.8 built for karmic :P | 03:26 |
| billybigrigger | Package libcatalyst-perl squeeze (testing) (perl): The Elegant MVC Web Application Framework | 03:27 |
| billybigrigger | 5.80007-1: all | 03:27 |
| billybigrigger | oh, he left a few mins ago haha | 03:27 |
| DanaG | ntfs-3g is giving me a mere 500 kilobytes per second on a (same-drive) copy. That's utterly pathetic. | 03:53 |
| DanaG | ... especially considering my 5-megabit-down internet connection... is 640 kilobytes. | 03:58 |
| DanaG | NTFS-3G is actually slower than my internet connection! | 03:59 |
| SodaPhish | greetings all | 04:00 |
| billybigrigger | DanaG, USB? | 04:15 |
| DanaG | Nope, SATA. | 04:15 |
| billybigrigger | i've found USB transfers deadly slow lately | 04:15 |
| DanaG | hmm, I've just had issues with ntfs-3g, always. | 04:16 |
| DanaG | It's always been dog-slow. | 04:16 |
| DanaG | When SATA is slower than internet... yeah, that's bad. | 04:16 |
| DanaG | And it bogs down the rest of the system, too... as if it were an old, old old system. | 04:16 |
| DanaG | oh, I forgot I had set the thing to do a backup at 6 sharp. | 04:23 |
| DanaG | Sun Aug 16 20:23:30 PDT 2009 | 04:23 |
| DanaG | or rather, 6PM. | 04:23 |
| bjsnider | DanaG, do you have a powerful cpu in that rig? | 04:25 |
| bjsnider | knowing you it's probably something obscure with no linux driver | 04:26 |
| DanaG | bjsnider: actually, this is my EliteBook -- Core 2 Duo. | 04:52 |
| spo | is user2 part of group user2 even though my /etc/group file says user2:x:1002: (without user2 being behind the last :) | 05:12 |
| mpontillo | spo: if that is user2's primary group, yes. you can verify with "sudo -u user2 groups" | 06:13 |
| Severian | Howdy. I am setting up a physical machine to use for testing of Karmic. The installer won't work if I create a root jfs filesystem. Is only jfs broken at present? | 06:56 |
| Severian | I am using the apha-4 alternate installer, if that makes a difference. | 06:57 |
| nhasian | where can i go to edit the sounds for system events in karmic? | 07:12 |
| Severian | nhasian, Sound preferences don't have many options in karmic. | 07:22 |
| Severian | nhasian, I can help you a little with sounds, but I don't know the proper way to change them. I just know how to hack it. | 07:24 |
| ghindo | Does anybody else have trouble rendering certain websites with the new Firefox? | 07:47 |
| nhasian | Severian, haha i thought they had moved the options somewhere. you mean editing the sound events in the gui are missing completely? thats just funny. | 08:17 |
| nhasian | Severian, I was hoping to add the sound events to empathy as it appears they are missing altogether. | 08:17 |
| AnAnt | Hello, does alternate installer support WPA connections ? | 08:18 |
| Severian | nhasian, You can't change the events at the moment. I assume some other dialog will appear later. | 08:18 |
| nhasian | Severian, I'll keep my fingers crossed. | 08:18 |
| nhasian | Severian, thanks for your help i'm heading off to bed | 08:19 |
| Severian | bye, nhandler | 08:19 |
| AnAnt | Hello, what's a good method to copy package selections from one machine to another ? | 08:47 |
| Severian | AnAnt, In Synaptic, go to File/Generate Package Download Script on the first machine. Run that script on the second machine. | 08:48 |
| AnAnt | any other way ? | 08:58 |
| rek | i need proprietary drivers for nvidia for jaunty | 09:02 |
| rek | they worked with hardy but now.... i'm stuck | 09:02 |
| hifi | see the topic, this channel is for karmic, the next release | 09:03 |
| hifi | jaunty support at #ubuntu | 09:03 |
| rek | they sent me here | 09:03 |
| AnAnt | rek: theck the X swat PPA | 09:03 |
| rek | ? | 09:03 |
| spo | is there a list of changes of karmic? | 09:04 |
| spo | when is the next karmic relases, after the alpha 3 one | 09:04 |
| AnAnt | rek: ask on #ubuntu-x | 09:04 |
| spo | when does alpha 4 or beta come out? | 09:04 |
| AnAnt | alpha4 is out | 09:04 |
| spo | when does alpha 5 or beta 1 come out? | 09:05 |
| mac_v | sheesh! | 09:05 |
| Ng | spo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule | 09:06 |
| mac_v | spo: what is it you are really looking for? | 09:06 |
| mac_v | anyone tried gnome-shell? i simply cant get it to run! :( | 09:07 |
| Ng | AnAnt: on one machine, do "dpkg --get-selections >packages.txt", then on the other machine you can do "dpkg --get-selections <packages.txt" and you'll get exactly the same package set, which may include removals, so you might want to grep out just the install ones from the list | 09:07 |
| Ng | bah | 09:07 |
| Ng | AnAnt: sorry, the second command should have --set-selections, not --get-selections | 09:08 |
| spo | when did alpha 4 come out? | 09:09 |
| spo | mac_v, i want better usb power management | 09:09 |
| spo | ie to shut down usb hard drives configuration | 09:09 |
| spo | so i don't have to pay for more elecriticity | 09:10 |
| mac_v | spo: so what does it have to do with the alpa release cycle? | 09:10 |
| mac_v | s/cycle/schedule? | 09:10 |
| spo | mac_v, why do you ask so many questions? | 09:11 |
| spo | mac_v, are you trying to intimidate me? | 09:12 |
| mac_v | spo: when you are asking for something alpha4 , then alpha 5, it really seems a weird... just asking what you want would get you better answers | 09:13 |
| AnAnt | Ng: thanks | 09:13 |
| spo | mac_v, how come you are all up in my face and besides me? | 09:14 |
| AnAnt | spo: I think he asked a reasonable question | 09:15 |
| robin0800 | lapic command is not reconized anymore the log file tells me to enable it | 09:16 |
| Ng | spo: alpha 4 came out on the date shown in the wiki.ubuntu.com URL I just told you about :) | 09:16 |
| spo | is it possible to turn off a usb hard drive through an OS like ubuntu or windows? | 09:18 |
| mac_v | Ng: are you one of the ops? could you add the release schedule url to the bots | 09:19 |
| Ng | mac_v: I'm not | 09:19 |
| Severian | spo, try the normal hdparm command for spinning down drives and see how it does. | 09:19 |
| AnAnt | Ng: what if some packages don't exist , will that cause an error ? | 09:19 |
| AnAnt | Ng: should I run apt-get after --set-selections ? | 09:20 |
| spo | severian, thank you, You have beent he most helpful person in this channel to me , ever | 09:20 |
| Ng | AnAnt: probably "apt-get install" would apply the selections. non-existent packages should be ignored | 09:20 |
| AnAnt | Ng: thanks | 09:21 |
| AnAnt | Hello, in alpha3 PC beep was working on my laptop, yet in alpha4 it doesn't, is this a kernel or pulseaudio issue ? | 09:21 |
| spo | anant, alpha 4 has been released. I helped release it too. | 09:21 |
| Severian | The ubuntu channel seems more helpful, in general. Sorry for your experience. I have not had much luck here, but I did get one good answer. I just try to be patient. | 09:21 |
| spo | severian, i was just kidding/teasing the other people in here, about what i said to you about you being the most helpful person to me , ever in this channel | 09:22 |
| Severian | spo, that last one was for you. The other thing I have noticed is that the testing for the next released version has been more problematic this cycle. But, that is why I test, to try to find a few bugs. | 09:23 |
| Severian | spo, then nevermind. | 09:23 |
| AnAnt | Ng: hmm, apt-get install didn't apply selections | 09:24 |
| AnAnt | nor -f install , nor dist-upgrade | 09:24 |
| Ng | AnAnt: hrm. it's a while since I've done that, I suggest a quick google :) | 09:25 |
| AnAnt | Ng: dselect-upgrade ! according to dpkg man page | 09:26 |
| Ng | ah yeah | 09:26 |
| spo | i wish there was a way for OS systems to turn off USB drives by stopping the motherboard from supplying power to usb ports | 09:29 |
| spo | does karmic have implementations to control motherbaord power? | 09:29 |
| spo | good night | 09:30 |
| spo | i am going to shutdown | 09:30 |
| Spee_der | Good morning all.... | 09:33 |
| Spee_der | I'm still stuck on this kernel 2.6.31.-6.17 hanging on * Check battery state. How to tell grub ? kernel ? to bypass this call please ? | 09:35 |
| mac_v | !karmicschedule | 09:35 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about karmicschedule | 09:35 |
| mac_v | !KarmicSchedule is <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule> bar | 09:37 |
| mac_v | !KarmicSchedule is <reply> The Release Schedule for Karmic is : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule | 09:40 |
| AnAnt | !karmicschedule | 09:42 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about karmicschedule | 09:42 |
| mac_v | !schedule-#ubuntu+1 | 09:42 |
| ubottu | A schedule of Karmic Koala (9.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule | 09:42 |
| mac_v | \o/ | 09:42 |
| AnAnt | why the # in command ? | 09:42 |
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| mac_v | i dont know just trying to figure it out with the ops | 09:44 |
| mac_v | !schedule | 09:44 |
| ubottu | A schedule of Karmic Koala (9.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule | 09:44 |
| mac_v | ah. no need i guess | 09:44 |
| AnAnt | ok | 09:46 |
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| Red_eeps | Well.... I managed to jump through that hoop, finally.... .. | 10:01 |
| slacker_nl | anyone else having troubles with the newest kernel, flash and ff3.5? | 10:27 |
| slacker_nl | ff just borks on me | 10:27 |
| mac_v | slacker_nl: what's the problem in flash ? sound? | 10:39 |
| slacker_nl | mac_v: it loads slow, and shutsdown ff | 10:40 |
| slacker_nl | FF is unable to do anything, need to shutdown and then can continue | 10:41 |
| mac_v | oh... i dont know about that | 10:41 |
| slacker_nl | .5 kernel everything works fine | 10:41 |
| slacker_nl | .6 fail :( | 10:41 |
| shadeslayer | hey guys | 10:54 |
| shadeslayer | im upgrading to alpha 4,anything i should know about? ( anything major is broken,etc,etc ) | 10:55 |
| shadeslayer | ding | 10:57 |
| shadeslayer | ok i guess thats a no.... | 10:57 |
| mac_v | shadeslayer: from jaunty? or from alpha3? | 10:58 |
| shadeslayer | mac_v: im doing a clean install of alpha 4 | 11:00 |
| * shadeslayer waves iso | 11:00 | |
| mac_v | shadeslayer: ok, currently running? | 11:01 |
| shadeslayer | jaunty + KDE 4.3 | 11:01 |
| mac_v | shadeslayer: oh , kubuntu , i dont know | 11:01 |
| shadeslayer | mac_v: ok,your in gnome? anything broken there? | 11:02 |
| shadeslayer | mac_v: last time i visited (alpha 2) they said some updates broke hal..... | 11:02 |
| mac_v | pulseaudio , has major issues | 11:02 |
| shadeslayer | ahh.. | 11:02 |
| shadeslayer | no problem cuz KDE uses phonon | 11:03 |
| shadeslayer | the only thing haunting me are the dev packages i used to compile some software will have to reinstalled | 11:03 |
| shadeslayer | mac_v: ok just rebooting with a bootable pendrive....see you soon in karmic :) | 11:04 |
| slacker_nl | no big issues with kubuntu | 11:16 |
| cumulus007 | Hi, my cups won't start anymore | 11:18 |
| cumulus007 | cupsd: Child exited on signal 15! | 11:18 |
| cumulus007 | cupsctl: Unable to connect to server: connection refused | 11:18 |
| cumulus007 | is the error message when I do /etc/init.d/cups start | 11:18 |
| shadeslayer | oh man oh man | 11:22 |
| shadeslayer | i cant stop ogling | 11:22 |
| shadeslayer | Kubuntu 9.10 wont be less than heaven | 11:23 |
| suit | shadeslayer: I *absolutely* agree! | 11:23 |
| cumulus007 | Kubuntu 9.10 is delicious :) | 11:24 |
| shadeslayer | suit: i just need to install the nvidia drivers.... strange thing though.... jockey-kde works fine on the live CD but not on the installed system o.0 | 11:24 |
| shadeslayer | cumulus007: yeah | 11:24 |
| suit | Earlier I went from Karmic Kubuntu to Karmic Kubuntu to try out what's new there and sheeeeesh what a world of difference. | 11:24 |
| suit | shadeslayer: You got a NVidia non legacy card by any chance? | 11:24 |
| shadeslayer | suit: huh??? | 11:24 |
| suit | Errr | 11:24 |
| suit | Wow, typos. | 11:24 |
| suit | I went from Kubuntu to Ubuntu to try that out. | 11:24 |
| shadeslayer | suit: legacy?? i have a 8600M GT | 11:24 |
| shadeslayer | dont think its legacy | 11:25 |
| shadeslayer | suit: gnome seriously needs to do a 3.0 | 11:25 |
| suit | shadeslayer: Then I recommend you don't install one of the drivers recommended by the inbuilt hardware menu thingie | 11:25 |
| suit | My performance went through the roof after installing the 190.18 ones | 11:25 |
| shadeslayer | suit: sure....ill install it via apt | 11:25 |
| shadeslayer | suit: you compiled them i guess? | 11:26 |
| suit | There's a handy guide I bookmarked, real quick and easy stuff: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=990978 | 11:26 |
| shadeslayer | kpackagekit notifications are awesome | 11:27 |
| shadeslayer | :o | 11:27 |
| suit | Man, it's such a culture shock. I tried KDE exactly once and that was about 3 years ago. Couldn't stand it. | 11:27 |
| shadeslayer | suit: and i guess you migrated to KDE 4.3 ? | 11:28 |
| suit | Ohhellyeah. | 11:28 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 11:28 |
| shadeslayer | 83 updates | 11:29 |
| shadeslayer | and its been 3 days | 11:29 |
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| shadeslayer | *awesome* | 11:29 |
| === richardcavell|af is now known as richardcavellafk | ||
| * shadeslayer checks out other things | 11:29 | |
| shadeslayer | ugh..same notifications for the volume up and down thing.....they should use kosd | 11:30 |
| cumulus007 | shadeslayer: neat-looking osd's for the volume is planned for 4.4 afaik | 11:31 |
| shadeslayer | oh good | 11:31 |
| shadeslayer | i need to fstab..... my data partition wont mount with locale en-IN | 11:31 |
| cumulus007 | http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.4_Feature_Plan#kdemultimedia | 11:31 |
| shadeslayer | cumulus007: did dolphin have the tab thing earlier? | 11:34 |
| cumulus007 | shadeslayer: the tabs have been avaliable since.. uhm, a loong time ago :) | 11:35 |
| shadeslayer | didnt notice them then | 11:35 |
| cumulus007 | File -> new tab | 11:36 |
| cumulus007 | or ctrl + T | 11:36 |
| shadeslayer | ok so got my partitions to mount | 11:39 |
| shadeslayer | now to install irssi and the restricted packages :) | 11:39 |
| shadeslayer | brb | 11:41 |
| shadeslayer | and btw the boot was like 2 secs | 11:47 |
| suit | heh | 12:00 |
| shadeslayer | suit: yeah,it booted *alot* faster than 9.04,heck even the USB drive was quicker | 12:01 |
| suit | Can't even begin to elaborate how much I love KDEs take on 'wobbly windows'. Just smooth. Elegant. | 12:01 |
| shadeslayer | suit: i cant do that right now :( | 12:02 |
| suit | w/ Compiz I'm always afraid my window has a stroke, even after tweaking it | 12:02 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 12:02 |
| shadeslayer | suit: you recommend which nvidia drivers? | 12:03 |
| shadeslayer | Edit August 03 2009: Latest nVidia 190.xx (BETA) 190.18.13 OpenGL 3.2 Drivers: Download | 12:03 |
| shadeslayer | right? | 12:03 |
| suit | Right. Since you're using Karmic you don't seem to have a problem with beta software, heh | 12:03 |
| slacker_nl | don't like kpackagekit after a quick peek tbh | 12:03 |
| suit | I'm using 190.18.13, too. Runs like a charm. | 12:03 |
| shadeslayer | suit: lol.... this my first time with alpha software...learning by breaking ftw | 12:04 |
| suit | hah | 12:04 |
| shadeslayer | suit: although i have used Beta 9.04 and some other SVN software | 12:05 |
| shadeslayer | +Kubuntu | 12:05 |
| suit | Only thing that bugs me about KDE is the window resizing. | 12:05 |
| suit | But even that got considerably smoother for me with the 190.18.13 drivers. | 12:05 |
| shadeslayer | suit: hmm....well ill be compiling aurorae in a few mins,you could try that | 12:05 |
| suit | hehe, i'm using aurorae | 12:06 |
| shadeslayer | suit: oh cool! | 12:06 |
| suit | with the Airglass-black theme | 12:07 |
| shadeslayer | suit: they should use aurorae by default,kwin just looks bad with KDE :( | 12:07 |
| shadeslayer | it spoils the air theme | 12:07 |
| suit | i heard alot of people like the oxygen stuff that comes with 4.3 | 12:08 |
| shadeslayer | :o | 12:08 |
| suit | i'm not one of them tho | 12:08 |
| shadeslayer | suit: i just dont like the window decorations | 12:08 |
| shadeslayer | the devs could have done a better job of them | 12:09 |
| shadeslayer | return of kaffeine yayy | 12:10 |
| suit | Agree. Btw, I absolutely worship the KDE devs. Just had a look at past roadmaps etc and it's crazy how much they changed in so little time | 12:10 |
| suit | ridiculous | 12:11 |
| shadeslayer | suit: *agree* | 12:11 |
| suit | alright, gotta jet | 12:12 |
| shadeslayer | sure | 12:12 |
| suit | nice talking to a fellow fanboy, heh | 12:12 |
| shadeslayer | bye | 12:12 |
| suit | bye | 12:12 |
| shadeslayer | suit: hehe | 12:12 |
| jonick | hi anyone using karmic unr? | 12:20 |
| ziroday | How do you enable (experimental) 3D rendering with radeonhd drivers? | 12:27 |
| shadeslayer | 16:57 < ziroday> How do you enable (experimental) 3D rendering with radeonhd drivers? | 12:27 |
| shadeslayer | stupid irssi | 12:27 |
| shadeslayer | !unr | 12:29 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about unr | 12:29 |
| jonick | I was just wondering whether video perfomance on intel 9xx cards was much better than jaunty, i have three machines with intel 9xx cards, and flash player is poo with them :-) | 12:35 |
| shadeslayer | jonick: its supposed to get better | 12:35 |
| jonick | hmm, wonder whether to install to try it, it's ext4 in karmic yeah ? | 12:36 |
| shadeslayer | jonick: yep | 12:37 |
| shadeslayer | jonick: ext 4 is also available in jaunty | 12:38 |
| jonick | hmm, had problems trying to install fedora on this bx using ext4, the partitioning went squiffy...... I didn't realise that jaunty was using ext4.... | 12:38 |
| TheInfinity | per default it used ext3 | 12:39 |
| shadeslayer | jonick: its not deafult,you will have to manually partition | 12:39 |
| TheInfinity | (and i always would recomment ext3 until now ;) ) | 12:40 |
| jonick | Ah... Thats what I thought. I'm sure mine ext3, so that means no upgrade path from jaunty to karmic? | 12:41 |
| shadeslayer | jonick: you can convert it to ext4 | 12:41 |
| shadeslayer | jonick: http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto | 12:42 |
| jonick | I'm a bit nervous after fedora thang :-/ | 12:42 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 12:43 |
| shadeslayer | jonick: its a risk youll have to take.....looks safe though | 12:43 |
| jonick | ah, well.... don't have too much on /home to loose :-) | 12:43 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 12:44 |
| jonick | any way... gotta go do some work... C U l8r | 12:44 |
| shadeslayer | jonick: sure | 12:44 |
| AnAnt | Hello, in alpha3 PC beep was working on my laptop, yet in alpha4 it doesn't, is this a kernel or pulseaudio issue | 12:49 |
| AnAnt | ? | 12:49 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: modprobe pcspkr | 12:49 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: it is loaded | 12:49 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: hmm.... maybe its muted in kmix? | 12:50 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: I unmuted it in alsamixer | 12:50 |
| shadeslayer | it doesnt work here either :P | 12:50 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: it worked in alpha3 | 12:50 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: do you think that's a kernel issue or pulseaudio/alsa issue ? | 12:51 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: I just want to know where/how to submit a bug report | 12:51 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: maybe... i just insalled A4 today | 12:51 |
| shadeslayer | !bugs | 12:51 |
| ubottu | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command ยซ ubuntu-bug <package> ยป If that fails, you can report bugs manually at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots | 12:51 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: yeah, I meant which package ? | 12:52 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: the kernel i guess | 12:52 |
| AnAnt | ok, thanks | 12:52 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: or the pcspkr module | 12:52 |
| AnAnt | well, that's part of linux-source | 12:52 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: then then the kernel would be the package | 12:54 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: how do you test the beep? (im using /beep in irssi) | 12:54 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: in a tty1 I press backspace ! | 12:55 |
| shadeslayer | haha | 12:55 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: well, are you using the latest kernel ? 2.6.31-6 ? | 12:55 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: im upgrading..... | 12:56 |
| AnAnt | so am I | 12:56 |
| shadeslayer | installed like 20 mins ago | 12:56 |
| AnAnt | so, whoever finishes upgrade first will report the bug ? | 12:56 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: linux-headers-2.6.31-6 | 12:56 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: itll be you....i have a 128 kbps connection :P | 12:56 |
| AnAnt | ok, it seems about an hour still till I finish | 12:57 |
| AnAnt | I'll notify you of the bug number if you're online (if you didn't beat me to it) | 12:57 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: ill poke around some more..... | 12:57 |
| shadeslayer | ill be here if theres no power outage | 12:57 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: do you know how to set the resolution of a tty? | 13:02 |
| AnAnt | I don't need to in karmic | 13:02 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: its set already? | 13:03 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: im guessing you live in India? | 13:04 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: I know that my nickname sounds Indian, but I'm far from India or being Indian | 13:05 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: yeah, karmic sets a very good resolution for tty | 13:05 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: yeah....i have a friend named Anant so i was curious,im from India btw | 13:06 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: are you a KDE user ? | 13:10 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: KDE 4.3 FTW!!!! | 13:10 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: im a fanboy :P | 13:10 |
| AnAnt | ok | 13:10 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: what do you use? | 13:10 |
| AnAnt | anyone noticed that when opening a new tab in gnome-terminal, the PWD is / ? | 13:10 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: gnome | 13:10 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 13:11 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: I noticed that you mentioned kmix, so I guessed that you use KDE | 13:11 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: you can edit the profile to use whatever folder you mention | 13:11 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: how's that ? | 13:13 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: right click the terminal | 13:13 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: edit current profile | 13:14 |
| BluesKaj | 'morning folks | 13:14 |
| shadeslayer | BluesKaj: here too? you have karmic? | 13:14 |
| BluesKaj | yup | 13:14 |
| shadeslayer | BluesKaj: just migrated today :) | 13:14 |
| === richardcavellafk is now known as richardcavell | ||
| BluesKaj | ok good | 13:15 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: I mean, I can't find a relavant option in profile | 13:15 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: Intial Directory : | 13:15 |
| BluesKaj | gonna install jaunty on my laptop then wait for the karmic officail release . The hardware probs with intel etc should be solved by then I hope | 13:16 |
| shadeslayer | BluesKaj: so youre downgrading ?? okies | 13:16 |
| BluesKaj | nope, I'm on our desktop atm , but our laptop is gonna become a dual boot machine as well | 13:17 |
| BluesKaj | my desktop actually ...wife has her own desktop | 13:17 |
| shadeslayer | BluesKaj: ah..Karmic+Jaunty...cool | 13:18 |
| BluesKaj | wife is srtictly Vista ...afraid of linux :) | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | its always been that way,women never want to get their hands dirty | 13:19 |
| BluesKaj | well, it's her pc , she paid for it :) | 13:19 |
| shadeslayer | lol | 13:19 |
| BluesKaj | karmic is quite stable except for a few plasma glitches now and then , but it recovers quickly | 13:20 |
| shadeslayer | plasma ftw | 13:21 |
| richardcavell | Another day, another 80 megs of updates.... X( | 13:21 |
| shadeslayer | richardcavell:make that 100 MB for me | 13:21 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: ok, I'm a few mins away now | 13:21 |
| AnAnt | what's FTW ? | 13:21 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: for the win | 13:22 |
| richardcavell | shadeslayer: I've decided not to download any more updates until the next milestone, or if they fix pulseaudio | 13:22 |
| shadeslayer | richardcavell: aw... i have xine | 13:22 |
| * shadeslayer smothers richardcavell in xine | 13:22 | |
| * richardcavell is grateful to be able to hear anything at all, even if while being smothered | 13:23 | |
| shadeslayer | richardcavell: haha....nice | 13:23 |
| AnAnt | richardcavell: fix pulseaudio ? | 13:23 |
| richardcavell | AnAnt: I can't fix it | 13:24 |
| richardcavell | It seems that when I run Steam/wine at startup, it hogs the sound system somehow | 13:24 |
| AnAnt | richardcavell: I see | 13:25 |
| richardcavell | And if I then quite Steam/wine, I get sound back but it's tinny and garbled | 13:25 |
| richardcavell | It's an exercise just to show me how much I miss sound. You don't appreciate how much you enjoyed something until it's gone. | 13:25 |
| shadeslayer | any idea when theyll be introducing a new network manager widget? | 13:27 |
| BluesKaj | never, I hope , until they fix it | 13:28 |
| shadeslayer | BluesKaj: yeah... | 13:28 |
| shadeslayer | BluesKaj: the one in karmic is gnomes nm-applet right? | 13:28 |
| BluesKaj | dunno , I just recommend wicd | 13:29 |
| shadeslayer | wicd doesnt always work | 13:29 |
| AnAnt | wicd ? | 13:29 |
| BluesKaj | been using it since the jaunty widget-network fiasco | 13:30 |
| AnAnt | oh | 13:30 |
| shadeslayer | !wicd | 13:30 |
| ubottu | Sorry, I don't know anything about wicd | 13:30 |
| shadeslayer | !info wicd | 13:30 |
| ubottu | wicd (source: wicd): wired and wireless network manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.1-3 (karmic), package size 415 kB, installed size 2484 kB | 13:30 |
| BluesKaj | I've been informed that some atheros chips won't wicd | 13:31 |
| BluesKaj | run | 13:31 |
| BluesKaj | but I guess the widget network manager in karmic is more stable from the reports I've seen | 13:32 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: for kernel it is: ubuntu-bug linux | 13:33 |
| norpan111 | karmic WILL break? what is that? | 13:38 |
| norpan111 | Is it so unstable? | 13:39 |
| norpan111 | can someone tell something about big news in karmic? | 13:39 |
| platius | norpan111; http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4 | 13:41 |
| norpan111 | thnx | 13:41 |
| platius | k | 13:41 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: seems a pulseaudio issue | 13:48 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: I just found that last successful kernel is the same as alpha4's kernel | 13:49 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: hmm, even pulseaudio's version is the same | 13:54 |
| AnAnt | what is this ?@ | 13:54 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: uh..so? i use xine,never used pulseaudio | 13:57 |
| AnAnt | dunno | 13:57 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: :P | 13:58 |
| AnAnt | anyways, the bug report is LP 414795 | 13:58 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 414795 in linux "PC beep no longer works in Karmic alpha4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/414795 | 13:58 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: cool...ill comment | 13:58 |
| AnAnt | cool! | 13:58 |
| shadeslayer | :) | 13:58 |
| slacker_nl | that is not a bug | 13:59 |
| slacker_nl | pc beep is aweful | 14:00 |
| slacker_nl | good riddens! | 14:00 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: dude do you have a script or something for uploading all the info you attached there? | 14:00 |
| shadeslayer | slacker_nl: heh..its useful for some and not useful for others...all about choice | 14:00 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: have a look....ill add anything you need :) | 14:05 |
| slacker_nl | shadeslayer: still hate it though :) | 14:05 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: i think you gave the wrong audio device.... it should be playback not capture | 14:08 |
| shadeslayer | right? | 14:08 |
| AnAnt | I didn't give, it was autogenerated by ubuntu-bug | 14:08 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: ohl | 14:09 |
| AnAnt | the only thing I wrote is till the line: I'm not sure .... | 14:09 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: hehe | 14:09 |
| Ian_Corne | hmm is there any bugreport i can subscribe to which will notify me when i can use fglrx again? :) | 14:23 |
| scizzo- | anyone else noticing that gconfd-2 is taking up a lot of cpu usage? | 14:25 |
| * Ian_Corne is trying fglrx on -6 | 14:30 | |
| andresmh | has anyone installed the new kernel 2.6.31-6? | 14:33 |
| andresmh | any issues to report? | 14:33 |
| Ian_Corne | I've installed it | 14:35 |
| Ian_Corne | not yet rebooted | 14:35 |
| BluesKaj | other than chromium plugins crashing , no | 14:35 |
| padman | I have, no sound no lm-sensors | 14:35 |
| andresmh | oh sound, oh sound | 14:38 |
| shadeslayer | andresmh: me....and no | 14:38 |
| shadeslayer | i have sound | 14:38 |
| BluesKaj | as do I | 14:39 |
| andresmh | i lost mic functionality since a few updates ago :( | 14:39 |
| BluesKaj | functionality , oh you mean use | 14:40 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 14:41 |
| scizzo- | I have sound also | 14:41 |
| * shadeslayer mumbles about the microblogging widget | 14:43 | |
| millun | hi | 14:53 |
| millun | anybody knows if INTEL GM965 would run out of the box on Karmic Koala? with 3D | 14:53 |
| shadeslayer | hey anyone on KDE ? | 15:06 |
| shadeslayer | cuz i think dolphin just broke | 15:20 |
| kaddi | Hi, I was here yesterday with a broken karmic upgrade, basically I got no image when I booted into kernel *.31, while everything was fine with kernel *.28. Some people tried to help and I wanted to let them know, that I found a workaround. When I boot the kernel with the option "nomodeset" it runs fine. | 15:20 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: KDE user? | 15:21 |
| kaddi | yes | 15:21 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: can you run dolphin with the latest updates? | 15:21 |
| kaddi | shadeslayer, define latest updates. I upgraded yesterday, but am not on a nightly build or anything. | 15:22 |
| kaddi | dolphin runs fine, I have version 4:4.3.0-0ubuntu3 | 15:22 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: lets see....there was a kernel update today and some workspace updates | 15:22 |
| kaddi | ok, probably haven't gotten those then | 15:22 |
| christian_lappy | hey guys | 15:22 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: i can run dolphin with kdesudo but not as a normal user | 15:23 |
| christian_lappy | i tried to upgrade from 8.10 to 9.10 alpha 4... | 15:23 |
| christian_lappy | but i got the jaunty upgrade | 15:23 |
| shadeslayer | christian_lappy: yes.... | 15:23 |
| christian_lappy | shadeslayer: ahhh.. | 15:23 |
| shadeslayer | christian_lappy: you can upgrade only via 9.04 | 15:23 |
| christian_lappy | shadeslayer: ah, thanks for the info | 15:24 |
| shadeslayer | christian_lappy: no problemo | 15:24 |
| christian_lappy | shadeslayer: can i upgrade directly to 9.10 then without rebooting ? | 15:24 |
| shadeslayer | christian_lappy: yeah sure | 15:24 |
| christian_lappy | shadeslayer: nice :-) | 15:24 |
| kaddi | shadeslayer, it's proposing updates for bluetooth, I'm installing them now, but a priori nothing related to dolphin. I'll let you know though | 15:25 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: sure,i had that update too :) | 15:25 |
| christian_lappy | hope my system does not get completely borked ;-) | 15:25 |
| kaddi | it's more fun when it does ;) | 15:25 |
| christian_lappy | kaddi:, lol | 15:25 |
| shadeslayer | haha | 15:25 |
| christian_lappy | so, is alpha 4 already somehow usable ? | 15:26 |
| shadeslayer | christian_lappy: quite stable imho | 15:26 |
| christian_lappy | nice | 15:26 |
| kaddi | shadeslayer, anything special to make dolphin crash? I just started it, clicked a couple of folders, everything seems fine | 15:26 |
| shadeslayer | christian_lappy: i updated today | 15:26 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: it times out.... | 15:26 |
| christian_lappy | ahhhh... | 15:26 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: http://pastebin.ca/1532574 | 15:27 |
| christian_lappy | is there any way to upgrade from 9.04 32bit to 9.10 64bit ???????? | 15:27 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: it opened | 15:27 |
| shadeslayer | :o | 15:27 |
| shadeslayer | christian_lappy: complete reinstall | 15:27 |
| christian_lappy | :-( | 15:27 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: but but...its completely black :P | 15:28 |
| shadeslayer | oh there they are | 15:28 |
| kaddi | who's completely black? :p | 15:28 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: dolphin | 15:28 |
| kaddi | ah, dolphin | 15:28 |
| christian_lappy | my lappy is still upgrading to 9.04 .... | 15:28 |
| shadeslayer | its very slow | 15:28 |
| kaddi | sry, kinda slow sometimes. | 15:28 |
| kaddi | nope, can't reproduce that, sry. It's working as it should on my end | 15:29 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 15:29 |
| christian_lappy | brw, can i use the netbook edition on non-atom cpus ? | 15:29 |
| kaddi | christian_lappy, I know how you're feeling, I did an upgrade marathon over the week-end... it was incredibly slow.. and it got slower the closer I got to karmic ;) | 15:30 |
| christian_lappy | my lappy is kinda out-dated | 15:31 |
| christian_lappy | therefor replacing packages takes time | 15:31 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: is it possible to set the tty resolution | 15:31 |
| kaddi | mine too ;) and I must say karmic absolutely rocks to this aspect.. its using <200Mb of RAM and does nicely with my intel centrino processor :) | 15:32 |
| christian_lappy | kaddi: wow, thats great | 15:32 |
| christian_lappy | hope kubuntu is equal | 15:33 |
| kaddi | this is kubuntu ;) | 15:33 |
| christian_lappy | :-) | 15:33 |
| kaddi | shadeslayer, I would think so, but no clue how to do that :p | 15:33 |
| christian_lappy | mine is a pentium4 | 15:33 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: it can be done by editing the grub menu.lst.....but with grub 2 i have no idea | 15:34 |
| Leftmost | A few applications are showing Turkish as an available language on my system. I do not have the Turkish locale installed. Why is this? | 15:36 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: so everything working fine after the upgrade ? | 15:37 |
| kaddi | shadeslayer, did you upgrade or install ? | 15:37 |
| kaddi | because I seem to still have the old grub1 | 15:37 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: i did a clean install,and then updated the system | 15:37 |
| shadeslayer | clean install of Karmic | 15:37 |
| kaddi | :) | 15:38 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: its recommended that every alpha be a clean install right? | 15:38 |
| kaddi | shadeslayer, this is the first time I ever use an alpha, so I wouldn't know ;) | 15:38 |
| kaddi | I did an upgrade from jaunty | 15:38 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: me too :) | 15:38 |
| christian_lappy | oh man, still upgrading | 15:38 |
| shadeslayer | christian_lappy: get a ISO and do a clean install | 15:39 |
| christian_lappy | shadeslayer: whyyyy ? | 15:39 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: hello | 15:39 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: ill do a reboot in 20min after kubuntu-restricted-extras is done | 15:39 |
| kaddi | and set aside the kernel-issue mentioned earlier, I think my wireless stick is no longer recognized.. but I havne't looked into it | 15:39 |
| kaddi | so it might be easily resolvable | 15:39 |
| christian_lappy | kernel issue ? | 15:40 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: oh hey,the beep worked once here....dont know how though 0.o | 15:40 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: huh ? | 15:40 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: any hint ? | 15:40 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: what were you trying ? | 15:40 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: i compiled some nvidia drivers and then during the reboot there was this beep sound from the pcspkr | 15:40 |
| kaddi | christian_lappy, I wasn't getting any visual output after the upgrade with the new kernel, but found out, that disabling ksm enabled me to use the new kernel | 15:40 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: are you sure it wasn't beep from the BIOS ? | 15:40 |
| ikonia | you dont compile nvidia drivers - they are closed source | 15:40 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: i.e after the compile and before the shutdown | 15:41 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: yep | 15:41 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: well, tried another reboot ? | 15:41 |
| christian_lappy | ikonia: you compile the kernel module ! | 15:41 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: nope... | 15:41 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: anyways, I still think you need to set the bug status to confirmed | 15:42 |
| ikonia | christian_lappy: the libC interface is built, the actual module is closed | 15:42 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: im currently having issues with dolphin,ill just reboot in about 20 mins :) | 15:43 |
| AnAnt | doloh | 15:45 |
| AnAnt | oh | 15:45 |
| kaddi | anyone has any experience with a dwl-g122 usb-stick from d-link and karmic? I know it was plug and play under gutsy, but is no longer recognized in karmic | 15:45 |
| bjsnider | it probably is recognized | 15:46 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: wth, i typed dolphin in krunner a min ago and it opened up now | 15:46 |
| kaddi | lol | 15:46 |
| bjsnider | there could be a problem loading the driver | 15:46 |
| bjsnider | hal is being replaced with devicekit, so not everything is smooth on the hardware front right now | 15:46 |
| christian_lappy | fingers crossed for my wlan card | 15:47 |
| AnAnt | shadeslayer: but the beep didn't work again, did it ? | 15:47 |
| bjsnider | you could modprobe the driver yourself if you know what it is | 15:47 |
| shadeslayer | AnAnt: nopt | 15:47 |
| shadeslayer | *nope | 15:47 |
| AnAnt | ok | 15:47 |
| kaddi | bjsnider, I don't realy. :/ | 15:48 |
| bjsnider | try looking it up | 15:48 |
| bjsnider | it might be ath5k, but i'm not sure if that driver was supposed to run usb sticks or not | 15:49 |
| kaddi | bjsnider, lsmod shows a rt73usb which looks a lot like a ralink driver to me, that's probably it, no? | 15:52 |
| bjsnider | i dunno. google it | 15:53 |
| kaddi | it is | 15:54 |
| kaddi | so the problem is probably somewhere else, as wicd is still showing "no networks available" and ifconfig isn't showing the card | 15:54 |
| shadeslayer | thats bad :P | 15:55 |
| christian_lappy | kaddi: maybe some missing proprietary fw missing ? | 15:55 |
| kaddi | shadeslayer, I know, especially as I've never had serious trouble with wifi and don't have a clue about it :p | 15:55 |
| kaddi | should be fun :D | 15:56 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: btw does your microblog widget work? | 15:56 |
| bjsnider | kaddi, modprobe the driver from the console | 15:57 |
| kaddi | i can add it and it displays on the screen.. :D what does it do? | 15:57 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: lol,you can update twitter and identi.ca | 15:57 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: my configure button wont go away... | 15:57 |
| kaddi | bjsnider, modprobe -l returns kernel/drfivers/net/wireless/rt2x00/rt73usb.ko | 15:58 |
| kaddi | shadeslayer, maybe it'll disappear once you twitter something? | 15:58 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: nope | 15:59 |
| kaddi | to bad :p | 15:59 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: it didnt even show the update | 15:59 |
| bjsnider | kaddi, modprobe rt73usb | 15:59 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 15:59 |
| === ccooke_ is now known as ccooke | ||
| kaddi | bjsnider, that doesn't return anything | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | bjsnider: uh,sudo modprobe | 16:00 |
| bjsnider | it isn't supposed to | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | hehe | 16:00 |
| bjsnider | it means the driver is now loaded | 16:00 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: dolphin seems to have catched up :P | 16:02 |
| kaddi | bjsnider, that didn't change anything though. :/ Still not showing at ifconfig | 16:02 |
| kaddi | shadeslayer, nice :D | 16:02 |
| christian_lappy | kaddi: what does dmesg say ? | 16:03 |
| suit | KMix is only saving my channel options made through the GUI. Anyone got an idea? | 16:04 |
| suit | ehhh | 16:04 |
| suit | KMix is only saving my channel options made through the GUI _until I reboot_. Anyone got an idea? | 16:04 |
| kaddi | christian_lappy, this might be relevant: rt2x00usb_vendor_request: Error - Vendor Request 0x0a failed for offset 0x000 with error -19. | 16:05 |
| * kaddi is off to google | 16:06 | |
| christian_lappy | kaddi: doesnt soung good.. | 16:06 |
| kaddi | there's a bugreport about it, but no info or work around what soever :/ | 16:08 |
| kaddi | hmm, blacklisting the ralink-software and trying some generic driver is probably not going to work, either, no? | 16:09 |
| shadeslayer | damn it | 16:10 |
| shadeslayer | i just lost sound | 16:10 |
| kaddi | oh | 16:10 |
| * kaddi hasn't actually tried sound yet | 16:11 | |
| shadeslayer | it was working till i install kubuntu-restricted-extars | 16:11 |
| kaddi | well that's new for a change :D | 16:11 |
| solomon | is it a known prob for the display to go wonky after resume in karmic? | 16:11 |
| kaddi | usually it's the other way round ;) | 16:11 |
| shadeslayer | kaddi: haha | 16:12 |
| kaddi | sound is working here, though the speakers are aweful :p | 16:13 |
| BluesKaj | kaddi in some cases the sound is looping back to reconvert fro digital to analog and back again , strange happenings ...everyone curses pulseaudio but it runs under alsa very well if it's setup to. | 16:26 |
| kaddi | BluesKaj, I was actually refering to the speakers of my laptop and not to anything weird happening to the sound... it's a 6year old notebook, which had bad speakers to begin with.. so you can probably imagine ;) | 16:27 |
| BluesKaj | laptop spkrs are crappy no matter how new :P | 16:27 |
| AnAnt | Hello, I think something is wrong with pulseaudio on alpha4 indeed | 16:28 |
| AnAnt | sound works only if output device is oss | 16:28 |
| AnAnt | anyone noticed this ? | 16:32 |
| inthevidual | hey | 16:38 |
| kaddi | AnAnt, amarok is working fine here with pulseaudio as default and I'm up to date with all updates | 16:39 |
| inthevidual | quick opinions on the current state of karmic? :) is it usable if you know your way around linux? longtime sid user | 16:39 |
| AnAnt | inthevidual: yup, so far I got some minor issues with sound & PC beep | 16:39 |
| AnAnt | bye | 16:40 |
| nhasian | update manager decided i needed a bunch of kde stuff today. even though i've never installed kde or any kde apps. | 16:55 |
| christian_lappy | lol | 16:55 |
| christian_lappy | i would starting being sceptical if it someday tries to install IE8 ;-) | 16:56 |
| kaddi | or safari for that :p | 16:56 |
| nhasian | i think i'm gonna skip updating for a couple of days and see if it gets cleaned up. | 16:56 |
| kaddi | nhasian, aren't some kde apps like amarok preinstalled by default even in ubuntu? | 16:57 |
| nhasian | kaddi, not to my knowledge. rhythmbox is installed by default. not amarok | 16:57 |
| BluesKaj | amarok needs the medibuntu repos | 16:59 |
| kaddi | hmm my memory must be playing tricks on me then | 17:00 |
| kaddi | could anyone explain to me what xv is? I'm trying to determine if this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/395932 is the bug I experienced when my PC stayed completely blank after booting the new kernel. The workarounds certainly worked for me | 17:04 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 395932 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i855] No Xv support for 82852/855GM (KMS bug)" [Unknown,In progress] | 17:04 |
| mac_v | cwillu: i'v actually submitted a new icon , for the indicator applet , the design team likes it but probs higher up :) | 17:38 |
| derekS | hey guys, are there any guides available for optimizing ubuntu+1 for ssd? I am guessing with ssds growing in popularity, ubuntu+1 should have ways to optimize for it? | 18:09 |
| stephank | Hello! I have a laptop that uses snd-hda-intel, and I think ICH8 chipset. One of the things with this thing is that 100% volume results in crackling sound. However, I can't figure out, how to set the volume to the 'sane' maximum, which is actually around 74%? Instead of using sliders to find a hidden sweet spot, now I'm turning to alsamixer all the time. | 18:30 |
| mac_v | stephank: are you running karmic/jaunty? | 18:42 |
| stephank | mac_v: karmic | 18:43 |
| BluesKaj | stephank, no kmix vol ctrl in the panel? | 18:43 |
| stephank | BluesKaj: gnome-volume-control-applet is there | 18:43 |
| mac_v | stephank: hmm... there have been a lot of probs after the recent pulse audio updates , you should report a bug , if not already reported | 18:44 |
| BluesKaj | or the gnome equivalent of the sokr icon in the panel' | 18:44 |
| BluesKaj | spkr | 18:44 |
| stephank | mac_v: okeedo | 18:44 |
| BluesKaj | the vol ctrl doesn't work ? | 18:45 |
| BluesKaj | stephank, that vol ctrl mis the same one alsa uses for it;s main input | 18:46 |
| BluesKaj | mis=is | 18:47 |
| stephank | BluesKaj: well, the issue is that I can't set my volume to the maximum, because I get crackling sound when I do that | 18:47 |
| stephank | it used to not be a problem when it only adjusted the master volume, but now it also adjusts the pcm volume. | 18:47 |
| BluesKaj | stephank, you arent supposed to set it to max , 70% should be enough , otherwise you're distorting the sound | 18:48 |
| stephank | BluesKaj: I guess the reason I do that is because I have external speakers, with an external volume control. | 18:50 |
| BluesKaj | no matter , you clip the output amp if you increase it too much | 18:52 |
| Kamilion | I've got a newer system with a LSI SAS2008 adapter supported by the mpt2sas.ko module. It exists in linux-image-2.6.31-5-server, but not in linux-image-2.6.31-5-generic which the Alpha 4 Server cd boots with. I've copied the module onto a USB stick, and insert it when the installer tells me to, but it never seems to find the .ko file. What directory am I supposed to place it in? | 19:38 |
| Kamilion | (Where does debian-installer load storage controller modules from when Detect Disks asks for modules and 'none of the above' is selected?) | 19:40 |
| ripps_ | Why can't evince open compressed archives anymore? | 19:43 |
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| BUGabundo | hu | 19:51 |
| BUGabundo | *hi | 19:51 |
| nztal | has alpha 4 improved a good deal better than alpha 3, there were some issues on alpha 3 that i caught with the proposed repository open, that weren't that great, network-manager-gnome was broken. luckily i had a wicd deb locally on my hard drive to get functioning | 19:54 |
| nztal | at that point, i fell back to jaunty, though i'm not sure how things are rolling along now | 19:54 |
| BUGabundo | nztal: most of us update daily | 19:55 |
| BUGabundo | we don't compare milestones | 19:55 |
| BUGabundo | its useless | 19:55 |
| BUGabundo | cause so much changes between them | 19:55 |
| nztal | i see. is it wise for me not to enable proposed at the alphan 4 point ? | 19:55 |
| Pici | There shouldn't be anything in -proposed | 19:56 |
| hggdh | well, I would not expect -proposed to be active right now for Karmic... | 19:56 |
| hggdh | since everything is, for all that matters, proposed | 19:56 |
| nztal | i've had some not so bad luck in previous alphas, i usually had proposed enabled at the time. network-manager-gnome was a little scary having been broken | 19:56 |
| BUGabundo | nztal: there aren't any other pocket other then main and universe during devel cicle | 19:57 |
| BUGabundo | nztal: I break my NM daily | 19:57 |
| nztal | main and universe between milestones you mean ? | 19:57 |
| nztal | ooh ok :) | 19:57 |
| BUGabundo | even bisecing from GIT upstream | 19:57 |
| BUGabundo | as long as you have a set of debs with you that work, you should be safe | 19:57 |
| BUGabundo | of course, if you don't have enough experience, you are not expected to be running devel version | 19:58 |
| BUGabundo | unless you really want to help fix somehting that bothers you | 19:58 |
| nztal | got it. i can actually put karmic on my laptop, as it is forced to use wicd. i can't see to use the native network-manager-gnome and not have dns issues at starbucks. i've not heard of a fix other than use something else | 19:59 |
| BUGabundo | several of us, run them so we can ensure a certain feature, app, hw works on final release | 19:59 |
| BUGabundo | nztal: how about using opendns.com ? | 19:59 |
| nztal | i realize that. i've usually adopted at the alpha3 stage the past few releases. i dont believe opendns would be fixing that issue. its a somewhat rather odd way of logging in, its unencypted, and i authenicate with home dsl credentials. when i've looked at /etc/resolv.conf, it doesn't look too ordinary | 20:00 |
| nztal | through the web that is | 20:00 |
| BUGabundo | ahhh | 20:00 |
| BUGabundo | its a web catchall gateway to generate a token | 20:01 |
| nztal | oh i see ok | 20:03 |
| nztal | yes, that hasn't worked out with the native network manager too well and i didn't see any solutions using google. | 20:03 |
| BUGabundo | there aint nothing in NM to make that hard | 20:05 |
| nztal | i've considered a very inexpensive "tethering" type option for my laptop, though i'm unsure of any providers that would allow that without a contract, using a 3g adaptor, and with preferable on a pay as you go basis. i know that support is actually built into network-manager-gnome its just a matter of getting the settings right. dont think i could afford an actual contact/subscription. | 20:05 |
| BUGabundo | you should get a connection to the open AP | 20:05 |
| BUGabundo | and then autenticate via web | 20:05 |
| nztal | yes. i am able to connect to the local ap, i had issues though, where i couldn't get anywhere else, past logging in. thats when coming to starbucks, after logging in at home, on the same laptop. i've tried all sorts of troubleshooting including opendns. its just a funny authentication that way | 20:06 |
| diverse_izzue | hey all. my screensaver on karmic never comes up. anyone else experiencing that? | 20:28 |
| Kamilion | Hm, getting an error: "Failed to determine the codename for the release." at "Install the base System" | 20:29 |
| BUGabundo | dinner | 20:30 |
| BUGabundo | bbl | 20:30 |
| DanaG | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/312505 | 20:31 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 312505 in pulseaudio "Pulseaudio inhibits suspend and hibernate" [Low,Fix released] | 20:31 |
| ikonia | thats an interesting bug 312505 | 20:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 312505 in pulseaudio "Pulseaudio inhibits suspend and hibernate" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/312505 | 20:33 |
| DarthArachides | I am having trouble with fixed width fonts on a basic setup done from netbook | 20:37 |
| DarthArachides | what all packages should I install? | 20:37 |
| DarthArachides | xterm gives the error message:"xterm: cannot load font -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1" | 20:37 |
| DarthArachides | is this karmic specific, or is it easy to miss font packages starting from netboot install? | 20:38 |
| norpan111 | i dont really see much difference in 9.10 just more error msg :P | 20:38 |
| DarthArachides | oops, should have been netboot in the first case too | 20:38 |
| norpan111 | I heard new theme etc? | 20:39 |
| norpan111 | but i dont see anything.. | 20:39 |
| norpan111 | Not slightest difference | 20:39 |
| norpan111 | Have a idea? | 20:39 |
| norpan111 | ... | 20:40 |
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| norpan111 | Wich versoin of gnome is in karmic? | 20:40 |
| Pici | It will be 2.28 by release. | 20:41 |
| norpan111 | okey | 20:42 |
| norpan111 | but now? | 20:42 |
| norpan111 | My nautilus windows etc, is not affected by theme change? | 20:42 |
| norpan111 | Like human-theme... | 20:42 |
| norpan111 | There is no human-theme when right click | 20:42 |
| norpan111 | Or anything, just apps really | 20:42 |
| ikonia | why are you using 9.10 if you don't know what's in it ? | 20:43 |
| Pici | !enter | 20:43 |
| ubottu | Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! | 20:43 |
| norpan111 | Well gotta try to know eh ikonia ? :P | 20:43 |
| ikonia | errr no | 20:43 |
| ikonia | not if it's unstable and you don't know what's in it | 20:43 |
| norpan111 | w/e | 20:43 |
| norpan111 | Somebody know why its this way? | 20:43 |
| Pici | norpan111: I don't understand what you're asking. What does the version of gnome have to do with the human theme? | 20:43 |
| ikonia | norpan111: why "what" is "this" way ? | 20:44 |
| norpan111 | Pici, nothing, it was a different questin ;D | 20:44 |
| norpan111 | ikonia, why human-theme does not affect anything but apps.. when right-click, the menu is wrong | 20:44 |
| ikonia | norpan111: it's a theme - it's only going to effect the look, I actually thought the 9.10 theme had not been released yet | 20:45 |
| Pici | norpan111: If you feel that it is not working properly like it did in a previous version of Ubuntu then you should log a bug. | 20:45 |
| norpan111 | it looks like "simple" controlls | 20:45 |
| ikonia | Pici: it's just the place holder theme I believe, the 9.10 has not been finished yet | 20:46 |
| ikonia | (the last time I checked) | 20:46 |
| Pici | ikonia: I wasn't aware that we were even getting a theme refresh this release. | 20:46 |
| Kamilion | does karmic support the 'toram' boot param? | 20:46 |
| norpan111 | can 9.10 be reversed then | 20:46 |
| ikonia | it's been discussed on the forums a bit so I "believe" there is, but I'm not %100 | 20:46 |
| ikonia | norpan111: no | 20:46 |
| norpan111 | nice | 20:46 |
| ikonia | norpan111: that's the situation for upgrading without understanding what you're doing | 20:47 |
| nztal | karmic made alpha 4, just yesterday ? | 20:48 |
| guntbert | norpan111: just to play with it use a virtual machine | 20:48 |
| kaddi | nztal really? | 20:49 |
| ikonia | nztal: looks that way | 20:49 |
| nztal | i was looking at the release schedule | 20:49 |
| nztal | looks that way :) | 20:49 |
| ikonia | nztal: not got it yet, but it looks released | 20:49 |
| kaddi | how do you test which alpha release is running on your system? | 20:49 |
| kaddi | i just upgraded yesterday, I'm wondering if I'm running alpha 3 or 4 now | 20:49 |
| nztal | i tend to get the daily builds, if i need it on media. this laptop is going back to karmic at this point, it doesn't require gnome's network-manager | 20:49 |
| ikonia | not sure if lsb_release shows it | 20:49 |
| ikonia | can normally work it out from the kernel | 20:50 |
| ikonia | kaddi: if you upgraded/keep it up to date, you'll be running 5 | 20:50 |
| ikonia | 4 | 20:50 |
| kaddi | lsb_release doesn't it says "developpment branch" but not which alpha | 20:50 |
| nztal | i think i heard there wouldn't be a LTS release until one or two releases after karmic | 20:50 |
| kaddi | ikonia ok, it's what I figured. I just thought that by "I haven't got it yet" you meant, that it hadn't reached the reps yet | 20:50 |
| ikonia | kaddi: not sure about the repos, cd seems out | 20:51 |
| ikonia | nztal: 9.10 isn't lts | 20:51 |
| kaddi | ikonia I did a upgrade from the repos, ah well... I'll get it eventually ;) | 20:51 |
| nztal | 9.10 is karmic isn't it ? i know this one wouldn't be a LTS | 20:51 |
| BUGabundo | Kamilion: no kernel has had support for toram for many cycles, even after I pushed a bug and a thread on the devel MLs | 21:06 |
| DanaG | interesting... the pulseaudio suspend script tries to sudo with uid ##1000 | 21:07 |
| DanaG | yeah, two pound signs. | 21:07 |
| BUGabundo | DanaG: that's two bugs then | 21:08 |
| BUGabundo | should not _guess_ the user uid | 21:08 |
| DanaG | It does "for each". | 21:09 |
| kaddi | BUGabundo I managed to get that kernel bootet, had to disable KSM and everything was fine. FYI :) | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | thanks kaddi | 21:09 |
| BUGabundo | did u file a bug on it yet? | 21:10 |
| BUGabundo | kaddi: $ ubuntu-bug linux should do it | 21:10 |
| kaddi | BUGabundo I think there is already a bug report on it, reported in july, apparently KSM was enabled when karmic switch from alpha2 to alpha3 and it immediately got noticed | 21:12 |
| BUGabundo | ok | 21:12 |
| bjsnider | fglrx support for the 2.6.29 kernel was only released today. | 21:15 |
| DanaG | oh yeah, so that 9.8 is out now? spiffy. | 21:17 |
| DanaG | Probably still misses find_task_by_vpid. | 21:18 |
| DanaG | I wish Ubuntu would re-export that in their kernels. | 21:18 |
| DanaG | http://lists.mandriva.com/kernel-discuss/2009-07/msg00015.php | 21:21 |
| norpan111 | my install is not broken, its just acting little wierd with the themes. And im about to report bug | 21:25 |
| norpan111 | everything has the same theme until it requires a password for mounting a device, then everything gets ugly | 21:26 |
| geohot | hey | 21:27 |
| BUGabundo | norpan111: known | 21:27 |
| kaddi | hi | 21:27 |
| geohot | trying to install nightly on ps3 | 21:28 |
| BUGabundo | bug on udev | 21:28 |
| geohot | can't find install cdrom | 21:28 |
| BUGabundo | geohot: eheheheh | 21:28 |
| BUGabundo | geohot: you mean daily LOL | 21:28 |
| geohot | yea i saw the bug, but it's old | 21:28 |
| norpan111 | BUGabundo, its known? | 21:29 |
| geohot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/322600 | 21:29 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 322600 in ubuntu "Ubunto instalation gets error "Couldn't find a valid Release file or this file could not be read" in PS3 system" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 21:29 |
| norpan111 | gutsy ps3 BUGabundo ? | 21:29 |
| geohot | but it said it was fixed in 8.10 | 21:30 |
| geohot | this is 9.10 | 21:30 |
| norpan111 | yep | 21:30 |
| BUGabundo | geohot: don't confuse norpan111 !!!!! | 21:30 |
| norpan111 | Im already confues =/ fail | 21:30 |
| BUGabundo | you guys are talking about Diff bugs ok? | 21:30 |
| norpan111 | i have no idea | 21:30 |
| BUGabundo | I know | 21:30 |
| norpan111 | Ok | 21:31 |
| BUGabundo | geohot: yours is a new one, prob a regression from that one, | 21:31 |
| BUGabundo | pff the name is wrong | 21:31 |
| norpan111 | Is there someting i can do about it? | 21:31 |
| norpan111 | that everything except apps is ugly-wierd theme | 21:31 |
| * BUGabundo feels like to cut a finger on everyone who writes ubuntu with an 'o' | 21:31 | |
| norpan111 | becaus its pronounced???? that way | 21:32 |
| BUGabundo | norpan111: one of your bugs is the udev one | 21:32 |
| geohot | anyone know how it was fixed last time? | 21:32 |
| norpan111 | Mkey | 21:32 |
| norpan111 | maybe ill just reinstlal ubuntu ,D | 21:32 |
| norpan111 | I never listen to warnings like " 9.10 will break!!" | 21:32 |
| norpan111 | =/ | 21:32 |
| BUGabundo | heh | 21:33 |
| BUGabundo | I usually reserv that as a LAsT chance | 21:33 |
| BUGabundo | most probs can be fixed | 21:33 |
| norpan111 | Well im noob, i should not play around with these things xD | 21:33 |
| norpan111 | Cuz i just irritate everyone on irc :P | 21:33 |
| Kamilion | the only way to become not-a-noob is to play around with things. | 21:34 |
| bjsnider | if you are new to it, then install and use jaunty | 21:34 |
| norpan111 | thats what i said to ikonia | 21:34 |
| norpan111 | He did not agree | 21:34 |
| Kamilion | but RTFM and search google first. | 21:34 |
| norpan111 | I had jaunty ;D and broke it with 9.10 | 21:34 |
| Kamilion | We help those who help themselves :) | 21:34 |
| norpan111 | I never should try out 9.10... | 21:34 |
| StR|Sangreal | Kamilion: i am noobing around with things for quite long, and ... it somehow doesn't bring any success... xd | 21:34 |
| Kamilion | common thing. backup your /home and do a fresh install of karmic. | 21:34 |
| Kamilion | StR|Sangreal: then approach from a different angle. Go play in Debian's sandbox, or go try out Linux From Scratch, tinker a bit with Gentoo... | 21:35 |
| norpan111 | now i should download illegal movies | 21:35 |
| BUGabundo | spending a cycle on ubuntu-user ML will teach you many many things | 21:35 |
| norpan111 | bye guys! | 21:35 |
| BUGabundo | it was my first real learning spot | 21:35 |
| BUGabundo | oh one more?? | 21:36 |
| StR|Sangreal | yeah, there is no royal path in wisdom... | 21:36 |
| BUGabundo | how many time will I have to say * there is NO need to put HOME on a diff partition * | 21:36 |
| bjsnider | there is | 21:36 |
| BUGabundo | stop spreadig MissInformation | 21:36 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: we already discussed this | 21:37 |
| BUGabundo | it waint | 21:37 |
| BUGabundo | believe me , or keep up the old school | 21:37 |
| mac_v | BUGabundo: why no need for separate /home? | 21:37 |
| BUGabundo | mac_v: its been like this since hardy | 21:38 |
| Kamilion | Personally, I put my /home on a seperate partition, but *I* use LVM and need to extend the volume occasionally as my users increase their usage. A *DESKTOP* machine is perfectly fine with /home on the / partition. | 21:38 |
| BUGabundo | from that point on the installer is capable of removing old system files, and put a new system | 21:38 |
| BUGabundo | without thouching user space files | 21:38 |
| bjsnider | i don't trust it | 21:38 |
| hggdh | folks, calm there. There is no need to, but it does not mean it cannot be done | 21:38 |
| mac_v | i find have a separate *the most* useful feature , helps reinstalling without loosing info or settings | 21:38 |
| Kamilion | BUGabundo: I am wary, once I made a simple mistake and told it to format the wrong partition in the installer. | 21:38 |
| bjsnider | and i want the system files located separately at the start of the drive so they're accessed faster | 21:39 |
| BUGabundo | Kamilion: grub2 supports now full disk LVM without need for /boot on ext2 | 21:39 |
| Kamilion | Also, LVM snapshots. | 21:39 |
| Kamilion | Ooh, does it? | 21:39 |
| Kamilion | Crap, I *JUST* installed 9.10 with a 256MB /boot outside of the LVM :/ | 21:39 |
| BUGabundo | Kamilion: that is solved with BACKUPs not with partitions | 21:39 |
| BUGabundo | Kamilion: RTFM | 21:39 |
| BUGabundo | :) | 21:39 |
| Kamilion | Also, home on certain machines are mounted via NFS | 21:39 |
| Kamilion | depends on the user. | 21:40 |
| BUGabundo | that's buggy as help AFAIN | 21:40 |
| bjsnider | i wouldn't do that. too slow | 21:40 |
| StR|Sangreal | have a nice time up there :) | 21:40 |
| Kamilion | I don't make the NASA rules, I just follow them. :P | 21:40 |
| Kamilion | Technically I'm not even supposed to be running beta operating systems, but I'm forced to run karmic because jaunty doesn't support my SAS2008 6gbit controller. | 21:41 |
| bjsnider | you could use jaunty with a karmic kernel | 21:42 |
| bjsnider | or a kernel from a ppa | 21:42 |
| Kamilion | or roll my own | 21:42 |
| bjsnider | nah | 21:42 |
| bjsnider | too much time | 21:42 |
| Kamilion | but nobody will tell me how to load a .ko from a usb stick in debian-installer | 21:42 |
| Kamilion | probably likely that the bus-factor is high for that procedure | 21:43 |
| Kamilion | Cause the Alpha 4 server install disc boots with the 2.6.31-5-generic kernel, and the mpt2sas.ko only exists on the 2.6.31-5-server kernel (But generic will load the module if I copy it to the right place and depmod -a) | 21:44 |
| BUGabundo | bjsnider: you really like to bend the rules right | 21:44 |
| BUGabundo | ? | 21:44 |
| BUGabundo | :%} | 21:45 |
| bjsnider | which rules are those? | 21:45 |
| mac_v | Pici: no new theme for karmic , *maybe* the icon theme would be changed to Humanity , theme wise, kwwii working on a new one only for Karmic +1 or LTS | 21:46 |
| hggdh | Kamilion, if the modules was not built with the kernel, there are good chances it will not work | 21:46 |
| Kamilion | generic and server are built from the same source, just with a different config. In my case, loading the -server module on -generic worked since the module has no other dependancies. | 21:47 |
| hggdh | ah, OK. So what was your problem? | 21:48 |
| Kamilion | I've got a newer system with a LSI SAS2008 adapter supported by the mpt2sas.ko module. It exists in linux-image-2.6.31-5-server, but not in linux-image-2.6.31-5-generic which the Alpha 4 Server cd boots with. I've copied the module onto a USB stick, and insert it when the installer tells me to, but it never seems to find the .ko file. What directory am I supposed to place it in? | 21:48 |
| * Kamilion simplifies: Where does debian-installer load storage controller modules from when Detect Disks asks for modules and 'none of the above' is selected? | 21:49 | |
| bjsnider | why does the server image boot with the generic kernel? | 21:49 |
| DanaG | hmm, can you nust manually 'cp' it and 'insmod' it? | 21:49 |
| hggdh | I would say the same one under the server | 21:49 |
| Kamilion | it tells me to insert a floppy or USB stick | 21:49 |
| Kamilion | bjsnider: I wish I knew. If it booted with the -server kernel, I'd have no problems :) | 21:50 |
| hggdh | Kamilion, heh. And you have, I guess the module already in disk... | 21:50 |
| bjsnider | you could replace the kernel on the iso and burn it with the server kernel i suppose | 21:50 |
| mac_v | BUGabundo: the installer has those settings? to not remove users old config? i never realized that ! | 21:51 |
| Kamilion | yeah, pulled down the linux-image-2.6.31-5-server deb package from packages.ubuntu.com and yanked the file out and hucked it on my usb stick, copied it to /lib/modules/<ver>-generic/kernel/drivers/scsi/mpt2sas/mpt2sas.ko, ran a depmod -a, modprobed mpt2sas (sucessful) and installed to LVM. | 21:51 |
| * hggdh stops booting the server VM | 21:53 | |
| kaddi | what exactly is Xv? If someone says his graphic driver is unable to provide xv, does that mean he doesn't get a visual output? | 21:53 |
| Kamilion | but the thing is, A: debian-installer tries to mount /dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1, and B: I don't know what directory the file should be under to be found by debian-installer even if it did correctly mount the right partition on /media | 21:53 |
| hggdh | so all we are left with is open a bug asking for the module to be built with the -generic image | 21:53 |
| Kamilion | hggdh: Well, why is the server install cd starting up with the -generic kernel instead of the -server kernel? | 21:54 |
| Kamilion | Can I boot with a -server kernel from the existing CD? (are both on there and I just missed it?) | 21:54 |
| bjsnider | check the manifest list | 21:54 |
| hggdh | Kamilion, this is a question for the server maintainers | 21:54 |
| Kamilion | I had already assumed I needed to file a bug, but I'm still figuring out which package to target the bug on, and attempting to write a reproduction case so I don't just get 'not enough info, bug closed' | 21:55 |
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| Kamilion | solve problem, file bug, submit patch.... :) | 21:56 |
| hggdh | you should not get the bug closed this way, only get it as incomplete | 21:56 |
| Kamilion | either way, I shouldn't waste the server-maintainer's time. | 21:56 |
| hggdh | let me recoup a bit: you booted the server install, and it came with the desktop kernel? | 21:56 |
| Kamilion | Aye. | 21:57 |
| hggdh | then -- to my humble view -- this is the bug | 21:57 |
| hggdh | I would expect the server install to boot the server imiage | 21:57 |
| bjsnider | where's the iso image you downloaded? | 21:57 |
| Kamilion | Aye. But which package to file the bug on? the -generic kernel or the -server kernel? Or ubiquity? | 21:57 |
| Kamilion | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-4/karmic-server-amd64.iso | 21:57 |
| BUGabundo | starting in karmic the image is the same | 21:58 |
| hggdh | it this runs under ubiquity, then ubiquity | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | the entire kernel system change | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | *changed | 21:58 |
| kaddi | BUGabundo maybe you could help me out quickly. this is the bugreport I think describes my bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/395932 The workaround sure works for me. However I can't find what "my graphics driver is unable to provide xv" means. Does it mean, there is no visual output? | 21:58 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 395932 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i855] No Xv support for 82852/855GM (KMS bug)" [Unknown,In progress] | 21:58 |
| hggdh | or simply open a bug asking for the module to be provided | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | to have only 2 or 3 kernels | 21:58 |
| kaddi | I don't want to open up a duplicate for a known bug... | 21:58 |
| BUGabundo | hggdh: can you help kaddi? busy replying to work emails | 21:59 |
| bjsnider | Kamilion, this is the list of files on that iso: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-4/karmic-server-amd64.list | 22:00 |
| bjsnider | it includes the server kernel | 22:01 |
| Kamilion | okay... I'll poke around with the isolinux menu then | 22:02 |
| bjsnider | clearly the wrong kernel is being chosen at boot time | 22:02 |
| vesayth1 | Hello folks, I have a couple issues with karmic on my laptop but I'm not sure just yet if I should drop a bug on them or whether or not they've been addressed (i haven't found anything on them) | 22:02 |
| vesayth1 | I think the most important one for me is DNS doesn't seem to be resolving when I connect to my home server via OpenVPN | 22:03 |
| vesayth1 | Server is running on Jaunty 64 bit, this laptop is running Karmic 32 bit | 22:03 |
| Kamilion | vesayth1: Do you have a proper push of the dns servers? Some openvpn packages don't by default. | 22:09 |
| vesayth1 | Kamilion: yes, the problem doesn't seem to be on the server side | 22:10 |
| vesayth1 | Kamilion: before upgrading to karmic, it worked fine. And I just checked to ensure that it still works on my windows partition and it does | 22:10 |
| kaddi | I think this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/395932 describes my bug, the workaround sure works for me. However I can't find what "my graphics driver is unable to provide xv" means and so am not sure if I should post in that thread or create a new bug. Does it mean, there is no visual output? | 22:10 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 395932 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i855] No Xv support for 82852/855GM (KMS bug)" [Unknown,In progress] | 22:11 |
| Kamilion | also, I had to add a entry to my openvpn config to push the local domain, otherwise I could only do FQDN lookups even if the DNS server IP was pushed | 22:11 |
| vesayth1 | I've pushed the local domain as well as the opendns nameservers | 22:12 |
| Kamilion | ahh, that's why. OpenDNS has no idea what your local domain's internal IPs are. | 22:13 |
| Kamilion | you need to push your local DNS server and set that up to use opendns as an upstream DNS server to get local hostname resolution. | 22:13 |
| vesayth1 | Ok, but that doesn't explain to me why it works in Jaunty and Windows | 22:13 |
| vesayth1 | was there a change in Karmic that makes it resolve differently? | 22:14 |
| Kamilion | Not sure. I'm in the middle of installing Karmic now myself. | 22:14 |
| Kamilion | or, trying to, if I didn't get distracted every time I'm waiting for the bios to prompt me to push F11 to boot from CD. | 22:15 |
| vesayth1 | it happens | 22:15 |
| Kamilion | :) | 22:15 |
| vesayth1 | i guess I'll go play with my config for the server, unfortunately i don't have physical access to it right now as I'm in Mississippi and it's in Florida >.> | 22:15 |
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| vesayth1 | but i'll have to make due with ssh i suppose | 22:16 |
| Kamilion | server bioses take too long to boot... hehe | 22:16 |
| Kamilion | vesayth1: just mentioning my own pain points with openvpn and dns. | 22:17 |
| Kamilion | will yours do fqdn lookups currently? | 22:19 |
| Kamilion | oh, oh! | 22:19 |
| vesayth1 | I'm not sure, I'll have to take a look | 22:19 |
| Kamilion | You said 'it works in jaunty and windows' -- does that mean you're using winbind to do local hostname resolution via samba? | 22:19 |
| Kamilion | cause that would 'bypass' the problem of opendns not knowing your internal ips, if your nsswitch.conf is consulting wins or mdns before full dns | 22:20 |
| vesayth1 | yes i'm using winbind on my samba share | 22:20 |
| Kamilion | and with a fresh install of karmic, you wouldn't have samba or winbind installed off the bat | 22:21 |
| vesayth1 | well, I didn't install Karmic on the server | 22:22 |
| Kamilion | i mean on the client. You still need samba/winbind to do wins resolution | 22:22 |
| vesayth1 | and this wasn't really a fresh install on the client | 22:22 |
| vesayth1 | I did the upgrade | 22:22 |
| vesayth1 | but i'll double check to see if those are installed | 22:23 |
| vesayth1 | hmm, winbind is but not samba | 22:23 |
| Kamilion | bjsnider: Hm, I can't seem to find any other bootable kernels on the A4 server cd, just the installable package | 22:25 |
| bjsnider | that sucks | 22:25 |
| Kamilion | yup. Guess I'll file the bug then. | 22:25 |
| bjsnider | not much choice at this point | 22:26 |
| bjsnider | is there a daily-live server iso? | 22:27 |
| Kamilion | Not sure. | 22:27 |
| bjsnider | if so, maybe they can fix it quickly | 22:27 |
| vesayth1 | ok that doesn't seem to help | 22:27 |
| vesayth1 | installing samba | 22:27 |
| vesayth1 | not sure if my last 2 messages went through | 22:27 |
| vesayth1 | but installing samba didn't seem to work | 22:27 |
| maxb | Is there ever a "live" "server" iso? I don't think so | 22:27 |
| Kamilion | vesayth1: they went through. But that's too bad that it didn't work. I'll give it a shot myself in a bit once I get Karmic installed | 22:28 |
| vesayth1 | maybe I should try a fresh install | 22:30 |
| BluesKaj | maxb, the servers are repositories of linux images and applications that can be installed by updating or upgrading depending on your desires | 22:30 |
| vesayth1 | maybe that will get my wireless working as well | 22:30 |
| Kamilion | vesayth1: might your wireless require some firmware somehow? bc43xx or such? | 22:31 |
| BluesKaj | oh server versions , maxb ..now i gotcha ..there are if you search | 22:31 |
| vesayth1 | Kamilion: it's Atheros. There's a workaround for my problem, I have a script that runs modprobe -r -f ath5k and then modprobe ath5k | 22:32 |
| vesayth1 | and that fixes it | 22:32 |
| vesayth1 | But I don't want to run that script every time I boot | 22:32 |
| vesayth1 | it's listed in bug 395565 | 22:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 395565 in linux "atheros wifi not working with kernel 2.6.31-1" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395565 | 22:32 |
| BluesKaj | vesayth1, I run wicd with atheros , works well | 22:33 |
| BluesKaj | on my laptop that is | 22:33 |
| kaddi | vesayth1 das ath5k support usb sticks as well? | 22:33 |
| vesayth1 | BluesKaj: I think we had this conversation yesterday, but I'm leery of doing that as I need to be able to use my OpenVPN as well | 22:33 |
| vesayth1 | kaddi: I have no idea | 22:33 |
| kaddi | ok, thanks anyway :) | 22:34 |
| kaddi | I have a ralink usb-stick that does get recognized by karmic (modprobe shows rt73usb running), but it is not listed in ifconfig and I can't see any wifi networks.. | 22:35 |
| Kamilion | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/usb-gadgets/bd55/ <--- ralink like that? | 22:35 |
| vesayth1 | kaddi: try lspci and see if it shows up that way | 22:35 |
| bjsnider | vesayth1, that bug was fixed | 22:35 |
| vesayth1 | bjsnider: Yes I know but apparently not completely | 22:36 |
| kaddi | Kamilion its a dwl-g122 and it's a LOT slower than what you linked | 22:36 |
| Kamilion | ahh, the dlink | 22:36 |
| vesayth1 | bjsnider: they were suggesting doing some things with rfkill, but those directories don't even exist on my laptop | 22:36 |
| kaddi | Kamilion yeah sorry, I keep mixing them up | 22:36 |
| BluesKaj | vesayth1, why are you worried , it's anetwork manager that acyaully easier to configuer than the kde one | 22:36 |
| vesayth1 | BluesKaj: I guess I'll give it a try | 22:37 |
| kaddi | vesayth1: it does not show up in lspci, but it does show up in lsusb | 22:37 |
| morecowbell | i just installed karmic (UNR) but the netbook desktop keeps crashing. how do i bring it back? | 22:38 |
| vesayth1 | kaddi: sorry that's what I meant | 22:38 |
| kaddi | vesayth1 :) so what does that mean for me? | 22:38 |
| kaddi | vesayth1 ok, all is fine, it just magically appeared in wicd o.o | 22:39 |
| vesayth1 | kaddi: you said it's an atheros based card right? | 22:39 |
| vesayth1 | kaddi: oh alright ^^ | 22:39 |
| Kamilion | guess it just needed a prod, heh | 22:39 |
| kaddi | hehe, I tried prodding it this afternoon and it wouldn | 22:40 |
| kaddi | t do squad.. Now I haven't touched it for hours and it works :p | 22:40 |
| vesayth1 | Ok, I just installed wicd, how do you configure vpn through this? | 22:41 |
| morecowbell | is there a channel for the netbook version of ubuntu? | 22:45 |
| morecowbell | the netbook interface crashed (i just installed karmic) and i don't know how to bring it back without rebooting | 22:46 |
| morecowbell | nevermind...the command is netbook-launcher :D | 22:46 |
| kaddi | let's see what happens after a reboot :p | 22:47 |
| vesayth1 | Yeah i'm not seeing a way to connect to openvpn with wicd | 22:58 |
| vesayth1 | network-manager was much easier to work with in that regard | 22:58 |
| jaysonsantos | Hello people, I was installing flashplayer-plugin-installer and then my pc reboot because I kicked my power cable. Now when I execute sudo dpkg --configure -a in my Karmic VM I'm receiving this message http://paste.ubuntu.com/254768/ | 23:14 |
| * BUGabundo checks | 23:17 | |
| BUGabundo | oh oh | 23:18 |
| BUGabundo | corrupt apt db | 23:18 |
| BUGabundo | /var/lib/dpkg/status | 23:18 |
| jaysonsantos | BUGabundo Can I rebuild that ? | 23:18 |
| BUGabundo | mayb make a copy, remove that line, | 23:18 |
| BUGabundo | and try to distupgrade | 23:19 |
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| jaysonsantos | BUGabundo but i'm using the last development distribution | 23:20 |
| BUGabundo | yeah I now | 23:21 |
| BUGabundo | *know | 23:21 |
| BUGabundo | aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade | 23:21 |
| jaysonsantos | BUGabundo I just erased that line, /var/lib/dpkg/updates/* and /var/lib/dpkg/avaliable* and that worked | 23:24 |
| jaysonsantos | thank you | 23:24 |
| BUGabundo | np | 23:24 |
| BUGabundo | try to purge and reinstal the affected package | 23:24 |
| BUGabundo | a sudo dpkg --configure -a | 23:24 |
| BUGabundo | doesn't hurt either | 23:24 |
| rleeds | I don't remember this being a problem in jaunty, so I ask here, but it might be totally unrelated. Emacs GTK, when I have certain files open in different programming languages, adds a language-specific menu to the menubar, but it comes up as empty these days. | 23:26 |
| rleeds | I don't know when it started happening. | 23:26 |
| rleeds | Anyone else experiencing this? | 23:26 |
| rleeds | I thought it was just a problem with erlang-mode but I'm eding a c++ file today and get the same problem. | 23:26 |
| rleeds | Also, I've been googling like hell for something similar, but find it nowhere, which is the only reason I even suspect ubuntu of being at fault at all, though I'm going to ask in #emacs as well. | 23:27 |
| bjsnider | rleeds, why don't you reporteth a buggeth on the packageth? | 23:29 |
| rleeds | bjsnider: because I want to verify that it's actually a problem in ubuntu first and not just something stupid I did. | 23:30 |
| bjsnider | just wipe out the local config directory and you'll be certain of it | 23:30 |
| rleeds | let me try moving my emacs config away | 23:30 |
| rleeds | yeah | 23:30 |
| rleeds | exactly | 23:30 |
| bjsnider | maybe ~/.emacs | 23:31 |
| bjsnider | or whatever | 23:31 |
| rleeds | .emacs.d, close enough | 23:31 |
| bjsnider | even if you did this through your local config, i still think it's a bug. it blanked out this menu you want | 23:31 |
| rleeds | bjsnider: yeah. it's happening with default config too. | 23:32 |
| bjsnider | 'tis a bug, it is | 23:32 |
| rleeds | I figured someone in here used emacs and could verify it quickly, though. | 23:33 |
| BUGabundo | rleeds: we are happy enough to test just one OS at a time :) | 23:34 |
| rleeds | lol, BUGabundo | 23:34 |
| Kamilion | blah. Debian-installer's LVM wizard is broken. | 23:35 |
| Kamilion | well, not so much the wizard, but... | 23:36 |
| Kamilion | for some reason it sees two identical western digital WD1001-FALS Black 1TBs as different sizes. But if I add a 8MB partition to the start, then they show up as identical. but as soon as I delete the dummy partition, lvm wigs out again. | 23:37 |
| Kamilion | heh, and saving the debug log ends up with a 4.5MB partman log, hahaha | 23:40 |
| bjsnider | are those 10k rpm drives? | 23:42 |
| Kamilion | Don't think so, I think they're 7200 RPM, but they're supposed to have 32MB cache and some kind of a second arm processor on the controller board for 'higher performance'. | 23:43 |
| robin0800_ | Kamilion: 8Mb is usally the default dummy partion when you install windows and use its partion editor | 23:43 |
| Kamilion | I ended up just spawning a shell and using fdisk directly. Creating the lvm partitions manually and then using pvcreate and vgcreate, then went back to the installer to populate the vg. | 23:44 |
| bjsnider | i thought the 1001 designation might signify 10k rpm | 23:45 |
| Kamilion | bjsnider: AFAIK, it's the size. Shows up as 1.001 TB | 23:46 |
| Kamilion | Yay! it's booting from the whole-disk LVM! | 23:46 |
| suit | So, I just booted into a black screen with Kubuntu. Alt+F2 works and I can start programs from there and see them, too. Just no desktop, no taskbar, no widgets. Any ideas? | 23:48 |
| rleeds | bjsnider: in case you're curious, I submitted it as bug 415101 | 23:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 415101 in emacs22 "Emacs language menus are blank" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/415101 | 23:55 |
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