[11:50] <mac_v> mat_t: hi... just an idea for the gdm > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot#Iteration%202%20[GDM]%20edit%20by%20mac_v
[11:51] <mac_v> not sure how far it is feasible though ;p
[11:51] <mat_t> mac_v: very cool, not really implementable with the current gdm codebase
[11:51] <mat_t> exactly :)
[11:51] <mat_t> mac_v: for Karmic all we're doing is applying a custom theme to the existing gdm
[11:52] <mat_t> and shuffling some buttons around
[11:52] <mac_v> mat_t: why did you drop your face browser idea?
[11:52] <mat_t> mac_v: we didn't drop it. There was just nobody to implement it yet :)
[11:53] <mac_v> mat_t: anyways... something for Karmic+1 , or LTS ;)
[11:53] <mat_t> mac_v: definitely!
[11:54] <thorwil> you 2 really make for tidy irc logs, with your nicks lining up like that ;)
[11:54] <mat_t> mac_v: would be cool if we could start a separate page for the face browser concepts
[11:54] <mat_t> thorwil: that's one of our primary goals, to make those logs look semi-decent at last
[11:54] <mat_t> ;P)
[11:55] <mac_v> mat_t: i thought of some other crazy ideas for gdm , but dropped them due to a11y reasons , but yeah a separate page would be nice
[11:55] <mac_v> thorwil: ;p
[11:55]  * mac_v breaks the log :(
[11:56] <thorwil> if ideas like mac_v's that can't be implemented, currently, are looked for, an extra page for that should be outside Karmic
[11:56] <mat_t> thorwil: correct
[11:58]  * mac_v suggests wil_t nic instead of thorwil 
[11:59] <thorwil> mac_v: fail! it should be thor_w, then
[11:59] <mac_v> no , to match ours
[11:59] <thorwil> tho_w, actually
[12:00] <thorwil> mac_v: but my marketing department doesn't permit that. they claim any change of nick would diminish brand recognition
[12:01] <mac_v> thorwil: yeah :) very true
[12:04] <mac_v> thorwil: are you subscribed to wiki trivial edits too! 0.o that should be a lot of spam!
[12:04] <thorwil> mac_v: only when John Baer gets to work :)
[12:05] <mac_v> hehe... ;)
[12:06] <thorwil> mac_v: there are sneaky bastards like ckontros who sometimes try to sneak non-trivial edits by marking them trivial. but not with me, no sire!!
[12:06] <thorwil> mwuhahaha!
[12:07] <mac_v> hm... 0.o nice idea
[12:09] <thorwil> no seriously, you could never successfully monitor wiki changes without being notified for any and all edits
[12:11] <thorwil> luckily we have no vandalism. except mine :)
[12:12] <mac_v> dont worry , when Ubuntu picks up user volume , you have those too...
[12:12] <mac_v> ;)
[12:13] <thorwil> good thing ubuntu has no noteworthy user volume, yet, then! ;)
[12:18] <mac_v> thorwil: why hasnt someone ,in the community, started a glossy set of icons?
[12:18] <mac_v> is it against some rule?
[12:20] <thorwil> mac_v: how would i know why others don't do something like that?
[12:20] <mac_v> hehe, i was just wondering...
[12:20] <thorwil> mac_v: but there have been many glossy icons all over the place and there are not many serious icon efforts
[12:21] <mac_v> yeah
[14:46] <dashua> bzr branch lp:hanso
[14:46] <dashua> Any opinions please let me know ? :)
[15:48] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[16:42] <mac_v> thorwil: i added the mailing list link for mr.doob , should i remove it? i feel if the link was available permanently we have too much noise on the list from non-contributors ... or is it ok?
[16:42] <mac_v> would have*
[16:46] <thorwil> mac_v: i don't think such a link will lead to more noise
[16:47] <mac_v> ok, i'll leave it :)
[17:04] <mac_v> SiDi: heya... whats up? still no network?
[17:07] <SiDi> mac_v: no, no internet, thats why i'm here
[17:08] <mac_v> SiDi: guessed so , that must be the only reason you've been quiet ;p
[17:09] <mac_v> SiDi: hows notify-osd for xfce coming?
[17:09] <mac_v> comming along*
[17:10] <mac_v> coming*
[17:10]  * mac_v  should stop correcting own typos , only leads to more typos!
[17:32] <mac_v> thorwil: could you move my gdm submission , to a relevant page, pls ,i want to add a couple of ideas, i usually mess up creating new wiki pages
[17:34] <mac_v> or if you created a gdm page , i could add it there.
[17:36] <thorwil> mac_v: oh common, creating a page is child's play and the rest just cut-paste
[17:36] <thorwil> mac_v: only question is the path for that new page
[17:36] <mac_v> wiki page , i usually give stupid labels , and wrong path :(
[17:37] <mac_v> cut and paste is not the problem
[17:37] <thorwil> mat_t: what do you think where new gdm ideas outside current cycle should end up?
[17:39] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Login?
[17:39] <thorwil> though i wonder if that really should be handled isolated from boot splash
[17:42] <mac_v> i had same confusion while submitting :/
[17:43] <thorwil> hmm?
[17:43] <mat_t> thorwil: How about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/3DFaceBrowd
[17:43] <mat_t> bugger
[17:43]  * mat_t tries again
[17:44] <mat_t> thorwil: How about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/3DFaceBrowser
[17:44] <mat_t> the idea is to have a custom built 3D accelerated interface
[17:44] <thorwil> mat_t: you want it to be all about 3DFaceBrowser, not generally what ever crazy people like mac_v might come up with? ;)
[17:44] <mat_t> probably clutter based
[17:45] <mac_v> hehe...
[17:45] <mat_t> thorwil: absolutely whatever :) What we need is an encouragement to really stretch people's creativity
[17:47] <thorwil> mat_t: i suggest "Login" to not even point to specific technology (GDM)
[17:47] <mat_t> thorwil: exactly
[17:47] <mac_v> thorwil: how about "GDM" ?
[17:47] <mac_v> ih crap!
[17:47] <thorwil> if the focus should also encompass boot splashes, it should be "Boot"
[17:48] <mat_t> thorwil: to me the artwork team should have two paralell tracks > ongoing work (something that can be implemented into the nearest release) and future-oriented, experimental work
[17:48] <mat_t> the latter should not be restricted by current implementation issues
[17:49] <thorwil> mat_t: the current wiki guidelines state that stuff that isn't targeted at a specific release goes into Incoming directly
[17:50] <thorwil> and there's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Concepts for far out stuff
[17:50] <mat_t> cool
[17:51] <mat_t> not much there....
[17:52] <thorwil> mat_t: we have been rather discouraging of such efforts
[17:52] <mat_t> thorwil: ?
[17:53] <thorwil> mat_t: you see it quite often that someone puts quite a lot of work in some concept, ignoring most technical questions
[17:53] <thorwil> mat_t: sometimes some fans appear and cheer a bit
[17:54] <thorwil> mat_t: but there's never ever someone to implement anything
[17:54] <thorwil> mat_t: i do know the value of brainstorming and free creativity
[17:55] <thorwil> mat_t: but i'm also vary of wasting time. not only my own time
[17:55] <mat_t> thorwil: I see exactly what you mean
[17:55] <thorwil> mat_t: so if something is to happen there, it should be given structure from your side ;)
[17:55] <thorwil> mat_t: dinner time, bbl
[17:56] <mat_t> enjoy!
[18:04] <mac_v> thorwil: oops! my network-manager crashed , did you create a link?
[18:04] <mat_t> mac_v: how's the battery icon stuff? Did you try some other variants?
[18:05] <mac_v> mat_t: i tried to etch it in , but it will look almost the same so  , not sure what to do , do you have any ideas?
[18:06] <mat_t> mac_v: have you tried with a subtle gradient on the bolt?
[18:07] <mac_v> hmm... the prob is the bolt is narrow and any gradient just makes it loose its shape , since we have limited options
[18:23] <thorwil> mac_v: no, didn't
[18:24] <mac_v> thorwil: no probs , no hurry, someday when you find time you can create it and remind me :)
[18:25] <thorwil> mac_v: i talked with mat and had dinner, instead ;)
[18:26] <thorwil> mac_v: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Login
[18:26] <mac_v> ;) i had back to back crashes of different apps , now i have got some fun backtrace to do ;p
[18:26] <mac_v> ah, nice...
[18:27] <thorwil> mac_v: it can always be moved/renamed later, if the need arises
[18:27] <mac_v> sure , no probs
[18:27] <thorwil> mac_v: you should write an introduction to make clear that page is not just for your stuff
[18:28] <mac_v> ok
[18:28] <thorwil> mac_v: then you might want to talk with mat_t about bringing it up on the mailing list
[18:29] <mac_v> hehe, "my stuff"  ,
[18:29] <mac_v> Ah...mat , yeah will do ,
[18:30] <mac_v> thorwil: for now , i'll just move my stuff here , tomorrow i'll set it up properly , is that ok?
[18:31] <mac_v> or shall i do the copy paste tomorrow itself?
[18:32] <thorwil> mac_v: yes, ok
[18:32] <mac_v> thanks :)
[18:33] <thorwil> np