[00:41] <awalton> MDC1, sorry, long weekend. birthday celebrations got kind of out of hand..
[00:42] <awalton> patch is pushed./
[08:09] <MDC1> awalton, no problem - great work with pushing it :)
[08:26] <huats> morning everyone
[10:02] <rodrigo_> hmm, libogg-dev is missing the .la file
[10:05] <TheMuso> rodrigo_: Thats a good thing right?
[10:05] <TheMuso> Actually no, if it has a .la file thats ok, but if it causes problems, then cleaning it is a good thing. :)_
[10:20] <rodrigo_> well, gnome-control-center from git fails compiling because of that missing file
[10:21] <rodrigo_> TheMuso: so probably not a good thing :)
[10:26] <geser> check which other .la references it and fix it
[10:29] <rodrigo_> yeah, already rebuilding all dependencies
[11:46] <rodrigo_> well, rebuilding dependencies still get me to the missing .la file problem
[11:46] <rodrigo_> shouldn't really the file be in the -dev package?
[11:46] <rodrigo_> the libogg.la in libogg-dev?
[12:32] <geser> the is a slow movement to get rid of .la files where possible
[12:34] <geser> rodrigo_: have you found out who exactly references it? is it g-c-c itself or one of the build-dependencies?
[12:37] <rodrigo_> geser: rebuilding the dependencies, it stopped in libcanberra because of that error also
[12:37] <rodrigo_> geser: I think libcanberra directly links to it
[12:41] <geser> rodrigo_: it's libvorbis-dev
[12:41] <rodrigo_> oh
[12:41] <rodrigo_> libogg.so belongs to libogg-dev
[12:41] <geser> libvorbis.la:dependency_libs=' -L/usr/lib /usr/lib/libogg.la -lm'
[12:42] <rodrigo_> so, that's what needs fixing?
[12:42] <rodrigo_> -logg should be enough there I guess
[12:44] <geser> probably not needed at all, looking at the .pc files
[12:46] <rodrigo_> the .pc files look ok
[12:46] <geser> rodrigo_: seems your are right: dependency_libs=' -L/usr/lib -logg -lm'
[12:47] <geser> from libvorbis-dev 1.2.0.dfsg-6 (currently building)
[14:10] <mpt> mvo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeasonOfUsabilityWeek8Notes
[14:17] <mvo> thanks mpt
[14:18] <mpt> ImportError: No module named aptdaemon
[14:18] <mpt> mvo, do I need to upgrade to Karmic for that?
[14:20] <mvo> mpt: hm, you will need aptdaemon, I can make it work without, but for the advanced stuff its going to be required. I will create a PPA
[14:21] <mvo> mpt: one suggestion I got was to use the term "get new software" (or something like that) instead of "availabe" so that the user does not gets confused by mixing "availabe" with "installed"
[14:29] <mpt> mvo, oh, one question I was going to ask was where the text "Give your application an accessibility workout" comes from for Accerciser in Add/Remove
[14:29] <mac_v> mpt: when will "appcenter" be in Karmic ?
[14:29] <mpt> because that text doesn't show up when I do "apt-cache show accerciser"
[14:30] <mvo> mpt: from the desktop file of the package
[14:31] <mpt> ah, the Comment field
[14:31] <mpt> I didn't see that one
[14:31] <mpt> mvo, but then Add/Remove doesn't show the first line of the description, "an interactive Python accessibility explorer for the GNOME desktop", at all
[14:31] <mpt> mvo, is that a deliberate decision?
[14:32] <mpt> mac_v, soon
[14:32] <mvo> mpt: no, thats a bug, let me search for the bug number
[14:33] <mpt> mvo, ah, so the missing stuff is supposed to be the stuff that's in bold?
[14:33] <mac_v> ;)
[14:35] <mvo> mpt: yes
[14:35] <mvo> mpt: give me a minute to figure out why its wrong
[14:38] <mvo> mpt: should be fixed now
[14:42] <mpt> hehe, cool
[15:42] <rodrigo_> hmm, there is no way to put the tabs in empathy on one side rather than at the top?
[15:43] <rodrigo_> and still no coloring of tabs when someone talks to me :(
[16:44] <ccheney> anyone know if the codec detector in karmic is broken? i tried playing a mp3 and totem just tells me "An error occurred \n Internal data flow error"
[16:45] <mac_v> ccheney: its not been working from jaunty itself !
[16:45] <mac_v> let me get you a bug #
[16:46] <ccheney> mac_v: ah ok
[16:47] <ccheney> mac_v: it had been working for me on jaunty but maybe an update broke jaunty also
[16:50] <mvo> mac_v: hm, it should work on jaunty
[16:50] <mvo> mac_v: what kind of error do you get there?
[16:54] <mac_v> mvo: actually i'm on karmic , this is my Bug #405155, i cannot comment personally on Jaunty since it was a serially upgraded system , but there are several others saying jaunty doesn offer to install > ex: Bug #351130
[16:56] <mac_v> mvo: i'v added a comment in the first bug report ,  listing the different bugs related to the gnome-codec-install
[16:57] <mac_v> maybe i should have first said it *seems* to be not working in Jaunty itself ;p
[16:58] <mvo> mac_v: thanks, I can have a look tomorrow
[16:59] <mac_v> mvo:  sure... :)
[17:01]  * mvo waves and does some shopping
[17:24] <jcastro> kenvandine: are you around this week or on holiday
[17:31] <bryce> sweet, in-place bug description editing now
[17:33] <chrisccoulson> nice, i haven't tried that yet though
[17:34] <chrisccoulson> i haven't been on launchpad once all day ;)
[20:15] <ccheney> is there a reason the metacity window manager settings plugin for g-c-c isn't packaged?
[20:15] <ccheney> its built by g-c-c but is just left out
[20:16]  * ccheney thinks it is a plugin anyway
[21:46] <chrisccoulson> you're meant to be on holiday seb128 ;)
[21:46] <chrisccoulson> (hello btw)
[21:46] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[21:47] <seb128> I'm on holidays, just lurking a bit to what's going on in the evening
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> not much is going on ;)
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> we're getting lots of g-s-d crash duplicate now
[21:47] <chrisccoulson> that's about it;)
[21:48] <seb128> yeah, I've notice
[21:48] <seb128> I've seen the discussion with svu too
[21:48] <seb128> I try to read emails once a day or at least clean through
[21:48] <seb128> so I don't have some zillion when I'm back
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, that's probably a good idea;)
[21:49] <chrisccoulson> hopefully we'll have this crash fixed before you come back
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> bryce - you around?
[22:01] <bryce> chrisccoulson, maybe
[22:02] <bryce> chrisccoulson, if I wasn't, I'd prefer you just ask the question so when I returned I could respond
[22:02] <bryce> (otherwise we end up playing ping-pong)
[22:02] <chrisccoulson> hi bryce - i'm not sure if you know this or not (or perhaps you will know it off the top of your head ;) ) - is there a build-time option for libx11 so that applications always run synchronously? (for making debugging random X errors a bit easier)
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> i'm trying to debug a random crash due to an unhandled X error, but it seems the application is still communicating asynchronously with the server when it crashes
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> (do you not enjoy ping-pong by the way? ;))
[22:05] <bryce> chrisccoulson, ./configure --help reveals no such flag
[22:05] <chrisccoulson> hmm, ok. thanks anyway :)
[22:05] <chrisccoulson> perhaps you know of an easier way? ;)
[22:05] <bryce> chrisccoulson, tried xtrace yet?
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> i haven't actually
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> i didn't know it existed until just now ;)
[22:06] <bryce> give that a go, it'll probably help
[22:06] <chrisccoulson> thanks bryce, i'll give that a go
[22:07] <bryce> chrisccoulson, I seem to recall you need to run your X without the -nolisten tcp flag in order to make it work
[22:07] <bryce> chrisccoulson, ps aux | grep X
[22:08] <chrisccoulson> thanks, i'll remove those then