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[14:17] <Essobi> Morning all.
[17:36] <arrasz> hei
[18:04] <arrasz> anyone here?
[18:04] <arrasz> i have a problem with scanning the transponders
[18:04] <arrasz> don't know if it works
[18:05] <arrasz> the statusbar isn't increasing so i wonder if it works ;)
[18:23] <MythbuntuGuest73> Can one still use a analog Tuner cards
[18:25] <MythbuntuGuest73> base on this new requirement from FCC effevtive in June or July 2009
[18:25] <ipwnu> MythbuntuGuest73: I use one on my cable system.  OTA you would have to put a digital box between the antenna and the capture card and use an ir blaster to control it
[20:32] <databubble> I just reported mythbuntu karmic bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/414996...  I was installing mythbuntu to a USB stick and grub re-wrote the boot on my laptop hard drive.  Windows partition seems to be intact.  Anyone know how I can boot it?
[20:34] <linxeh> you could reinstall grub to the mbr of the hard drive with an option to boot windows
[20:34] <linxeh> or you can boot the windows cd (for 2k onwards) and reinstall the windows mbr
[20:34] <linxeh> or you could download a copy of the windows mbr and dd it onto the drive
[20:36] <databubble> mbr = master boot record, I presume.  I have XP install CD....  how to install MBR without killing my existing data?  Just with XP recovery?
[20:42] <linxeh> if you boot XP you can get to a recovery console
[20:42] <linxeh> i think its fixmbr the command
[20:42] <linxeh> http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/483/xp_repair_fix_master_boot_record_recovery_console/ seems to suggest so too
[20:42] <linxeh> should be plenty of guides if you search the web
[20:42] <superm1> that's normal, you should have an extra option in the grub conf to pick windows
[20:43] <superm1> if you reinstall windows' mbr, you won't be able to boot linux
[20:46] <linxeh> superm1: he installed linux to a usb stick
[20:46] <linxeh> superm1: presumably he installed grub to the wrong mbr, ie the hdd rather than the usb stick
[20:48] <superm1> linxeh, oh i see
[20:49] <superm1> there is an option on the last step of the installer (under advanced) to pick which device to install grub to
[20:49] <superm1> surprised it didnt get it right on its' own hto
[20:51] <linxeh> yeah
[20:52] <databubble> No option in grub conf to pick windows....no help, menu options, etc.   Looks like I could fix the mbr with the XP startup disk... but it's a work laptop and I don't know the admin password
[20:52] <superm1> databubble, okay other option is then to install the 'mbr' package
[20:52] <superm1> you can install a windows style mbr to your hard disk from it
[20:53] <superm1> as long as you didn't have anything like McAffee safeboot
[20:53] <databubble> Just to clarify.....  the mythbuntu 9.10 install went find to the USB stick....  filesystem is there, with all the install.  But the automated install put grub on the wrong disk..
[20:54] <superm1> databubble, right, so boot up the usb stick, and in that env install the 'mbr' package
[20:55] <superm1> it's got a binary to install a DOS style mbr with
[20:55] <superm1> that you can install onto your primary hard disk to fix your problem
[20:56] <linxeh> ah cool
[20:56] <linxeh> I wish I'd known about that :)
[20:57] <databubble> Ah.... Yes.....grub menu comes up with the USB stick in now
[20:58] <superm1> when you get mbr installed, the syntax to reinstall an mbr is 'install-mbr DEVICE'
[21:00] <superm1> so if your main disk that needs it, it's probably install-mbr /dev/sda
[21:00] <databubble> Aha!  I can boot Windows as long as the USB device is in the drive.    I can try to fix with fdisk in Windows, or install mbr package manually to stick (no network configured on laptop)
[21:01] <superm1> databubble, can you please attach the logs from /var/log/installer to your bug too?
[21:01] <superm1> hopefully they'll be of assistance to debug how this happened
[21:01] <databubble> Yes, I will extract log from stick and attach to bug.  Thanks for the help.
[21:01] <superm1> thanks
[21:02]  * linxeh debates smashing up the soundgraph imon lcd/ir 1c52:0038. ruddy thing! GREE
[21:03] <superm1> databubble, you picked a fun time to load up a4 btw.  pre 0.22 builds justgot uploaded after alpha
[21:03] <superm1> so if you do updates, you're gonna be having some fresh bleeding edge stuffs
[21:05] <databubble> Yes, well.... I have a kubuntu 9.10 alpha system running with trunk and VDPAU and an HD-PVR.  Ordered a Zotac ION board, and was going to make a karmic USB booting system when I noticed the the mythbuntu 9.10 alpha out.
[21:07] <databubble> Originally booted my backend from the CD and tried to install the stick.... but there was no NVIDIA driver support (!)  So, tried using my work laptop instead.  In hindsight, that probably wasn't such a smart idea.
[21:07] <superm1> for the hd-pvr support, where are you getting the kernel module from?
[21:07] <superm1> has it actually landed in 2.6.31 yet?  I haven't kept up with it
[21:09] <databubble> HD-PVR support is in the stock 2.6.31 kernel.  I'm just running the stock karmic 2.6.31-6 kernel, and have used the in-built HD-PVR support since 2.6.31-2.
[21:09] <superm1> awesome!
[21:09] <superm1> that's a lot less work on our part then to go track that driver down
[21:10] <databubble> Yup.  I also run through PulseAudio....which has had it's ups and downs in karmic so far, but at the moment is working with trunk very nicely.
[21:11] <superm1> interesting.  has support actually landed to use pulseaudio and not just disable it when it's found then?
[21:12] <databubble> I'm using ALSA->PulseAudio with HDMI audio output (not passthrough).  I've applied the PulseAudio patch...but the moment I skip/ffw, I lose audio with it.  ALSA is more stable.
[21:15] <superm1> seems kinda silly to use HDMI audio output if you aren't doing pass thru tho doesnt it?
[21:17] <databubble> Not quite....by passing through pulse I can re-direct audio to analogue speakers, or bluetooth headphones,
[21:18] <superm1> assuming you aren't going to FF/Skip/RW :)
[21:19] <superm1> hows the latency against myth though? does the a/v stay in sync enough?
[21:20] <databubble> I've had no problem with out-of-sync audio..... but all my recordings are from the HD-PVR.  This is my first myth system, and my cable provider encrypts everything....  so HD-PVR is the only way to go.
[21:21] <databubble> Update...fixed my Windows.  I inserted the USB stick I made to get the grub menu, booted windows, used regedit to remove security policy requiring admin password for recovery concsole, rebooted with XP CD, entered recovery console, and ran  "fixmbr" and voila....my laptop is saved. Thanks!
[21:22] <databubble> Now...just need to figure out out to get the grub mbr onto the USB stick, so I can boot mythbuntu!
[21:23] <databubble> re: pulse.... I should say that I've been playing with trunk and pulse for about 3 months now....  just in the last couple of weeks under karmic I'd say it's working well enough for me to try putting a system into production with my wife.
[21:24] <superm1> oh that's even easier for a solution
[21:24] <superm1> databubble, so what i'd recommend you do is just reinstall onto the usb stick in that case
[21:25] <superm1> and at the last step, make sure you pick the right device to install grub 2
[21:26] <databubble> In the interestes of bug-squashing, I'll give it a try....  since I know how to recover if it touches my laptop drive again.
[21:29] <superm1> make sure to try'n grab those logs before you wipe the stick too
[21:45] <databubble> Log files are attached to the bug now....  just going to try and re-install the stick and see if I can find that advanced option for grub.
[21:46] <superm1> it's on the summary page
[21:46] <superm1> thanks
[21:54] <databubble> Aha!  Found the option to specify where to put the boot loader.   Formatting the stick now.  Thanks for your help.
[21:55] <superm1> yup np