[00:05] windows-rules seems to be sergiumihai from -ru [00:35] In ubottu, Epsis said: gazebo is Are there girls in there? Cuz if there are i wanna do 'em! [00:37] .... [01:35] He's going to cast magic missile at the darkness... and then get banned! [04:40] Hi [04:41] I would like to create a bot to my channel #ubuntugames [04:42] could you help me? [04:43] Pici, ? [04:44] Amaranth, I would like to create a bot to my channel #ubuntugames [04:44] could you help me? [05:37] bazhang: what happened with MadGirl? [05:37] maco, a bot [05:39] oh [05:41] mike_144 is not making sense. [06:19] e.o [06:19] Hey.. [06:19] I just wanted to say sorry. [06:19] I feel lik a total dick for what i did a week ago [06:19] it doesent help the buisness of ubunut, for new comers to walk in and see ubuntu getting spam dah hell out of [06:29] Valkyrie, you had a bot attack in #ubuntu ? here is the place to discuss [06:30] #ubuntu: 2009-08-13T05:20:36 Ubuntu got pwnd? [06:30] this is the bot spammer? [06:30] yep [06:30] * Myrtti walks away [06:33] e.o [06:33] I just wanted to say sorry man. [06:34] Valkyrie, dont do that in #kubuntu [06:34] Yea, [06:34] K [06:35] i just wanted to say sorry [06:35] I feel bad [06:35] * Valkyrie shrugs [06:35] i dont care if im unbnned [06:35] I was a total dick, Having bots is a privelage, and not to be trifled with [06:36] a bit strange you didn't figure that out before you ran them [06:36] * Valkyrie chuckles lightly [06:36] Ya.. [06:36] And i only ran one of them btw.. [06:36] its not funny Valkyrie [06:36] i know its not [06:36] Again, it hurts buisness [06:36] and i feel like a dick for doing it in the first place [06:37] I need to go lie down, not feeling too peachy. brb [06:40] * Valkyrie Sighs [06:40] Do you guys atleast accept my apolagies? [06:46] Valkyrie, was there anything else you wished to discuss? [06:46] Yes. [06:46] accepting my apolagy for trollin tha hell outa you guys? :'D [06:47] Valkyrie, it seems to be a less than sincere one, as you are laughing about it. If there is nothing else, please dont idle in this channel as per the topic. [06:47] Who said i was laughing? [06:49] Valkyrie: [01:36:10] -*- Valkyrie chuckles lightly [06:49] or should that be taken as "nervous laughter" [06:50] * Valkyrie Shrugs [06:50] I chuckles [06:50] Chuckled* [06:50] Cause that person said i shoulda figured it out before [06:50] Could be taken as nervous laughter? [06:51] Valkyrie, noted. please part the channel. [07:08] does anyone know why chanserv re-banned bacta yesterday ? [07:27] from where? [07:28] -ot, it looks like a server sync issue: 2009-08-16T11:49:53 *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +b bacta!*@* [07:29] well leave it until he notices. [07:31] really luis_ has had 3 warnings on language and keeps at it [07:40] aye [07:40] i already pointed out that he's talking to two ops too [07:41] I'm just a helper in there. [07:41] he thinks mashing shift and numerical keys gets around it [07:41] hey i didnt know i was an op in there til jussi01 told me a couple days ago [07:41] like "youre a #kubuntu op right?" "no" "yes you are" [07:41] hehe [07:42] * jussi01 bites maco :D [07:42] full out vetting I can see :) [07:45] * jussi01 bites bazhang [07:45] yeowch! [07:45] vetting? [07:46] ready? yep! go! [07:46] kind of like I got for #ubuntu [07:46] quick PM from LjL and boom [07:48] he copied and pasted something showing id been made an op there a bit ago [07:48] haha [07:49] it said last edited 2 weeks ago, so apparently i was an op in there for two weeks and didnt know? [07:51] wonder if the !factoid trigger for #kubuntu has you in it [07:52] nope [07:55] bazhang: you could fix that... [07:57] fixed [07:59] bazhang: now you are sure you didnt break it? [07:59] (ie. have you looked on the bans db?) [08:00] jussi01, not sure what you mean ? there are some folks on that list I have never seen, and some that are clearly no longer active (ie LjL ) [08:01] bazhang: we have had people try change ops factoids and screw them up. hence my asking you to check that it doesnt say something stupid [08:03] jussi01, I checked in PM with ubottu, via ops-#kubuntu [08:03] aye, that works also. :) [08:03] Er, how would changing the factoid affect the bantracker? [08:03] Flannel: it doesnt? [08:03] I meant the factoid db... meh [08:03] hehe [08:04] same website.. [08:04] it looks ok to me [08:05] apokryphos fdoving Hawkwind trappist LjL dont know [08:05] almost anyway (2 or's) /me fixes [08:06] well apart from LjL [08:08] trappist I see in the channel, the rest offline apparently [08:09] I haven't seen Hawkwind in a long time, and they don't appear to be on the access list anyway [08:09] and isnt apokrohpys the orginal channel founder? [08:10] that was haggi wasn't it [08:10] * jussi01 gets confuzzled [08:11] he has +votsriRfA though [08:15] apokryphos is active in #k-devel, not so muck in #k [08:18] haven't seen fdoving in a while either [08:19] me either [08:23] I removed fdoving, apokryphos, Hawkwind, LjL, haggai and fooishbar from the trigger [09:22] any ops around , could some one add this to the bots> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule [09:29] mac_v: is it an update to a factoid? or a new one? [09:29] new factoid [09:30] mac_v: you can suggest factoids by simply saying !factoidname is bar [09:30] it should just be tacked on to !karmic [09:30] hmm.. never tried it , [09:31] !releaseSchedule [09:31] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [09:31] !releaseSchedule is [09:31] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [09:31] mac_v: no !foo is bar [09:31] oh [09:32] !KarmicSchedule is bar [09:32] In #ubuntu-ops, mac_v said: !KarmicSchedule is bar [09:32] jussi01: \o/ , can anyone do that ? [09:33] mac_v: that doesnt add it, just sends it here, but yes, all can do that [09:34] oh , sending it here.. hmm, so now is it added or now its at the ops discretions? [09:36] no, its at the ops discretion [09:37] jussi01: i'm going to try it again just once, from ubuntu+1 just to see how it works [09:37] In #ubuntu+1, mac_v said: !KarmicSchedule is bar [09:37] mac_v: and you still have it slightly wrong [09:37] hmmm nice... ok, ops can decide it later [09:37] mac_v: is exactly "", not the actual reply [09:37] you need the bit [09:38] oh! face palm [09:38] change the bar for the actual reply [09:38] eg !KarmicSchedule is this is the schedule... [09:39] makes the bot change the reply from " is " to "" [09:40] In #ubuntu+1, mac_v said: !KarmicSchedule is The Release Schedule for Karmic is : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule [09:40] erm [09:40] !schedule-#ubuntu+1 [09:40] A schedule of Karmic Koala (9.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule [09:40] it's already there [09:41] hm... it didnt work earlier yesterday! or maybe we were all trying the wrong spelling [09:42] oh we just tried "schedule" [09:42] it's a channel-specific factoid, for #ubuntu+1 [09:43] the bot translates !schedule to !schedule-#ubuntu+1 when called from that channel [09:45] tsimpson: oh , ok , thanx, something we must have spelled wrong i guess [09:46] thanx guys , bye [09:49] the only thing I see from +1 logs is "!gnome schedule", oh well [11:30] !away > richardcavellafk [13:50] norpan111: i have made a ppa full of bad code on launchpad for users to try [14:08] bazhang: verify that if possible [14:08] bazhang: if it is - we need to get it pulled [14:14] he is joining [14:15] hi [14:15] indus, this was a joke? [14:15] yes [14:15] norpan111: i have made a ppa full of bad code on launchpad for users to try [14:15] well, its obvious i didnt mean that [14:15] you think ill advertise it like that if u made it? [14:16] apart from it not being funny, #ubuntu is not the joke channel. [14:16] i was suggesting, its possible for people to make such a ppa no? [14:16] well the key thing is that it's not real, so no harm is done [14:16] please never repeat this again. and keep jokes to offtopic channel indus [14:16] well, ok just want to clarify 100 % , ikonia and bazhang this is possible yes? [14:16] indus: PPA's are a bit of a funny subject as there are some bad ones out there, so it may be best to not suggest you've made a bad one [14:17] ok [14:17] yes, some PPA's do have bad / early development applicatios in them [14:17] hence why it's not the best move to suggest you've made one yourself [14:17] full of malicious code no less [14:17] can i suggest , we always warn about security risks of ppa in #ubuntu [14:17] ? [14:17] bazhang: iam sorry [14:18] indus: when PPA's are suggested, it's always a good idea to point out they can't really be supported [14:18] ok [14:19] what about developer ppas? [14:19] still unsupported [14:19] unless you are "the" developer, in whcih case you're responsible for it [14:19] for example, many in karmic are suggesting using ppa's (in forums i mean) [14:19] karmics not even out yet, so that's a stupid suggestion [14:19] i prefer waiting for the repos [14:19] unless it's discussing brining a PPA release into main [14:19] k [14:20] ok can i leave now? [14:20] just be mindful of the people you are talking to, it's easy to believe that you have a PPA full of bad code, and it doesn't paint you or the PPA projects in a good light [14:20] hmm true [14:20] indus: you can leave when you want, it's just a a request [14:20] thanks for joining [14:21] intention was not /or never to malign ppa's [14:21] of course not [14:21] ok thanks bye and good day :) [14:21] thanks bazhang [14:21] he's a bit wild at times with his comments and attitude so it's best to knock it on the head now [14:21] ikonia, I'm glad he was more open to discussion this time === v is now known as vorian [15:17] 14:19:21 < indus> for example, many in karmic are suggesting using ppa's (in forums i mean) [15:17] not really [15:17] 14:19:35 <+ikonia> karmics not even out yet, so that's a stupid suggestion [15:17] some developers put code in their ppa before it hits karmic, so people can test wild stuff [15:17] iirc bryce does this with xorg stuff [15:18] as I said, unless being considered for inclusion [15:22] and it's not really something that should be suggested to people who are by all considerations, newbies. [15:26] missed that ikonia sorry [15:27] ppas are not for newbies? [15:34] I don't think they are for new users personally due to the lack of support [15:35] I suppose it depends on what the quality of the content is [15:44] the kubuntu backports ppa is advertised in #kubuntu [15:45] (in the topic) [15:45] I know - I really dislike that [15:45] apparantly it's because it's too much hassle to get stuff into main [15:45] i thought it was to let the users choose betwen 4.2 or 4.3 without having to also worry about the instability of karmic [15:45] that reasoning is a cross between facepalm and headdesk. [15:49] maco, regardless of why they're using a ppa for backports, how do you ensure that to a newbie who is unable to discern the quality of ppas, does not misunderstand what ppas are, and go on a ppa binge? [15:50] ikonia: s/main/backports/ [15:50] * genii sips and thinks about PPA binges [15:51] This is the users choice. Whilst i agree that using PPA's from untrusted sources is bad, it's up to the user to choose what software packages they trust. [15:51] elky: fair enough on the potential for misunderstanding [15:51] Daviey, is it the user's choice if they do not have the experience to know what it is they're 'choosing'? [15:52] yes. [15:52] i'll remember that if i ever get to get your signature on something. I'm glad to know you won't care about the small print. [15:53] i'm not sure that is what i said. [15:54] personally, i'm not a huge fan of 'choosing' things that i have not been fully educated on. When I do choose something risky unknowingly, i inevitably feel ripped off, abused, exploited... [15:56] If you compare the situation with other operating systems, rh *usually* (IME) has third party repos somewhere along the line. Windows *usually* has applications installed from unverified locations. I'm sorry if that makes you feel abused, but this is rapidly going away from the terms of reference that should be discussed IMO. [15:57] i think is why there's an area to explain your ppa on launchpad [15:57] "WARNING: this ppa contains software for testing" versus "we're core-devs and thought you'd like to try some new stuff" [15:58] "this is just stuff I'm experimenting with" [15:59] On one of my PPA's i have: [15:59] *********************************************** [15:59] * Not complete or ready for public consumption.. * [15:59] *********************************************** [16:00] It is unfortunate that this is users control, and i agree there should be more warnings.. But the argument that it is a PPA and therefore inherently bad, is not a good stance IMO. [16:02] Daviey: Yeah, well, doesn't mean they won't consume it in private. [16:02] sure, and that is a choice. [16:14] I think PPA's a great thing, I just don't think we should be pushing them as s solution, [16:14] it's impossible to support them and the ammount of "I pulled it from a PPA and now X doesn't work" in #ubuntu is a reasonable level, mostly not because the package is broke, but because it pulls down deps that upgrade some core components [16:14] I'd be interested to know what the solution to Intel graphics driver sucking in Jaunty is that _doesnt_ involve a ppa [16:16] popey, something like the intel idiocy furthering the ppa habit does not make it any less a bad habit, really. [16:16] popey: that is a core issue, that should be solved in main [16:16] ikonia: it isnt [16:16] popey: I'm tired of this "next release fix" [16:16] popey: expand on that please ? [16:17] install ubuntu 8.10 on a machine that has intel GMA type video hardware and you _will_ experience the most appalling video performance since warty [16:17] popey: I'm on it now [16:17] er, 9.04 [16:17] I'm on 8.10 with an intel card [16:17] sorry, silly me :) [16:17] popey: yes, I agree, 9.04 sucks [16:17] he's aware of the issue, popey. he responds to the issue several times a day in #ubuntu. [16:17] and all the proposed 'solutions' 'workarounds' or whatever you want to call them.. [16:18] ok, I'll stop talking then elky [16:18] you asked ikonia [16:18] no no [16:18] please continue [16:18] I may have miss-understood your commnet on the intel card [16:18] ok........ [16:18] ragequit? how mature... [16:22] elky: throwing insults, how immature [16:22] If he is upset, then it's better he removes himself from the situation, no? [16:22] And saying things like "ragequit? how mature..." REALLY is not constructive, is it? [16:25] one can remove themselves from a situation without being verbose about it. quitting a channel is verbose. [16:25] what is the point of being verbose? [16:27] commenting on it makes it further verbose, making the situation worse. [16:27] Would it not have been better just to no comment? [16:27] can you do that elky? [16:27] is that a rhetoric, or just being patronising? [16:28] TIMEOUT [16:28] * maco hands out cookies [16:28] eat the cookies, then you can call time in, once you're all sweetened up [16:28] * Daviey removes himself from the situation. [16:57] * mneptok does the Dance Of The Sugar-Plum Fairies [17:01] mneptok: have you heard The Vandals' rendition? [17:01] maco: no, for i am a beautiful and delicate snowflake. [17:02] punk version of Dance of the Sugarplum Fairies [17:02] win! [17:03] BEUATIFUL AND DELICATE SNOWFLAKE LALALALALALALALA! [17:07] What's the process for updating ubottu's factoids? [17:08] Mike_lifeguard, you make a suggestion and if approved it is added [17:08] !usage [17:08] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-ops's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [17:09] Second link has the syntax to make factoid suggestions [17:09] * elky cranks up the hairdryer and looks menacingly at mneptok. [17:09] Sorry, I've already done that & the factoid hasn't been changed [17:09] If there's a specific problem with the proposed change, it'd be nice to know so I can submit something better [17:10] Mike_lifeguard, chances are it just slipped through without being noticed. try again now and we'll look at it. [17:10] Mike_lifeguard: Unfortunately we don't have a method currently to keep track of pending suggestions, so yes, listen to elky [17:11] hm, that should be fixed :) [19:01] an hours gone by and no suggestion from mike_lifeguard [19:03] I know, I was waiting for that [19:04] probably talking nonsense then [19:04] No, he was talking about a factoid in #ubuntu before he came in here. [19:05] yet he's not submitted anything while he knew we where watching [19:33] how pleasant. [19:34] That was certainly colorful. [19:35] ferrillz [19:35] he's in #ubuntu [19:49] he was just in -offtopic too [19:52] I guess we'll never know now which one he would have wanted changed [19:52] it was !xorg, he didn't like that it suggested ?dm [19:52] !xorg [19:52] The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution [19:53] Well, ?dm makes it desktop-agnostic [19:53] Agreed [19:53] As long as you understand it's a wildcard and not a literal "?" [19:54] but I don't think there's a better solution [19:54] To have the same factoid with a one-letter change for 2 channels (at least #u and #k) doesn't make sense [19:56] Well, even separating it by channels won't be sufficient, if you're using Ubuntu and kdm or whatnot. [19:56] (because you installed kubuntu and let it do the default take-over, etc) [20:02] Hm [20:55] prince_jammys called the ops in #ubuntu (liquid) [20:59] ikonia: i missed the line about him translating so i thought he was hitting on you [20:59] ahh it's fine [20:59] he's only human ;) [20:59] i was like "huh? why's ikonia ok with being hit on? *scroll* Oooo translating what the other one said" [21:00] hey what do you mean "why" !!! [21:00] not "why is ikonia being hit on" [21:00] but rather "why is ikonia ok with it" [21:00] ;) [21:03] hahah [21:04] ahh, no one would hit on ikonia... :P [21:04] troll in #centos #gentoo [21:07] i banned him earlier in #maria [21:07] in #maria ??? what is that [21:07] look out for [Vendetta], too [21:08] ikonia: oddly enough, it's the official channel of the Maria project [21:08] bizarre naming, i know ... [21:08] rofl [21:08] wth is maria? [21:09] she's about to be toast [21:09] she's hitting #rhel/#fedora/#centos/#gentoo/us with this crap [21:09] jussi01: http://askmonty.org [21:13] who what huh? [21:13] <-- articulate [21:13] MariaKeys: [21:15] ohok [21:15] mneptok: ahh, ok then === maco is now known as MsMaco