[00:05] <bazhang> windows-rules seems to be sergiumihai from -ru
[00:37] <Pici> ....
[01:35] <Flannel> He's going to cast magic missile at the darkness... and then get banned!
[04:40] <Coringao> Hi
[04:41] <Coringao> I would like to create a bot to my channel #ubuntugames
[04:42] <Coringao> could you help me?
[04:43] <Coringao> Pici, ?
[04:44] <Coringao> Amaranth, I would like to create a bot to my channel #ubuntugames
[04:44] <Coringao> could you help me?
[05:37] <maco> bazhang: what happened with MadGirl?
[05:37] <bazhang> maco, a bot
[05:39] <maco> oh
[05:41] <bazhang> mike_144 is not making sense.
[06:19] <Valkyrie> e.o
[06:19] <Valkyrie> Hey..
[06:19] <Valkyrie> I just wanted to say sorry.
[06:19] <Valkyrie> I feel lik a total dick for what i did a week ago
[06:19] <Valkyrie> it doesent help the buisness of ubunut, for new comers to walk in and see ubuntu getting spam dah hell out of
[06:29] <bazhang> Valkyrie, you had a bot attack in #ubuntu ? here is the place to discuss
[06:30] <bazhang>  #ubuntu: 2009-08-13T05:20:36 <valkyrie> Ubuntu got pwnd?
[06:30] <Myrtti> this is the bot spammer?
[06:30] <bazhang> yep
[06:30]  * Myrtti walks away
[06:33] <Valkyrie> e.o
[06:33] <Valkyrie> I just wanted to say sorry man.
[06:34] <bazhang> Valkyrie, dont do that in #kubuntu
[06:34] <Valkyrie> Yea,
[06:34] <Valkyrie> K
[06:35] <Valkyrie> i just wanted to say sorry
[06:35] <Valkyrie> I feel bad
[06:35]  * Valkyrie shrugs
[06:35] <Valkyrie> i dont care if im unbnned
[06:35] <Valkyrie> I was a total dick, Having bots is a privelage, and not to be trifled with
[06:36] <Myrtti> a bit strange you didn't figure that out before you ran them
[06:36]  * Valkyrie chuckles lightly
[06:36] <Valkyrie> Ya..
[06:36] <Valkyrie> And i only ran one of them btw..
[06:36] <bazhang> its not funny Valkyrie
[06:36] <Valkyrie> i know its not
[06:36] <Valkyrie> Again, it hurts buisness
[06:36] <Valkyrie> and i feel like a dick for doing it in the first place
[06:37] <Myrtti> I need to go lie down, not feeling too peachy. brb
[06:40]  * Valkyrie Sighs
[06:40] <Valkyrie> Do you guys atleast accept my apolagies?
[06:46] <bazhang> Valkyrie, was there anything else you wished to discuss?
[06:46] <Valkyrie> Yes.
[06:46] <Valkyrie> accepting my apolagy for trollin tha hell outa you guys? :'D
[06:47] <bazhang> Valkyrie, it seems to be a less than sincere one, as you are laughing about it. If there is nothing else, please dont idle in this channel as per the topic.
[06:47] <Valkyrie> Who said i was laughing?
[06:49] <maco> Valkyrie: [01:36:10] -*- Valkyrie chuckles lightly
[06:49] <maco> or should that be taken as "nervous laughter"
[06:50]  * Valkyrie Shrugs
[06:50] <Valkyrie> I chuckles
[06:50] <Valkyrie> Chuckled*
[06:50] <Valkyrie> Cause that person said i shoulda figured it out before
[06:50] <Valkyrie> Could be taken as nervous laughter?
[06:51] <bazhang> Valkyrie, noted. please part the channel.
[07:08] <ikonia> does anyone know why chanserv re-banned bacta yesterday ?
[07:27] <elky> from where?
[07:28] <tsimpson> -ot, it looks like a server sync issue: 2009-08-16T11:49:53 *** irc.freenode.net sets mode: +b bacta!*@*
[07:29] <elky> well leave it until he notices.
[07:31] <bazhang> really luis_ has had 3 warnings on language and keeps at it
[07:40] <maco> aye
[07:40] <maco> i already pointed out that he's talking to two ops too
[07:41] <bazhang> I'm just a helper in there.
[07:41] <maco> he thinks mashing shift and numerical keys gets around it
[07:41] <maco> hey i didnt know i was an op in there til jussi01 told me a couple days ago
[07:41] <maco> like "youre a #kubuntu op right?" "no" "yes you are"
[07:41] <bazhang> hehe
[07:42]  * jussi01 bites maco :D
[07:42] <bazhang> full out vetting I can see :)
[07:45]  * jussi01 bites bazhang
[07:45] <bazhang> yeowch!
[07:45] <maco> vetting?
[07:46] <bazhang> ready? yep! go!
[07:46] <bazhang> kind of like I got for #ubuntu
[07:46] <bazhang> quick PM from LjL and boom
[07:48] <maco> he copied and pasted something showing id been made an op there a bit ago
[07:48] <bazhang> haha
[07:49] <maco> it said last edited 2 weeks ago, so apparently i was an op in there for two weeks and didnt know?
[07:51] <bazhang> wonder if the !factoid trigger for #kubuntu has you in it
[07:52] <bazhang> nope
[07:55] <jussi01> bazhang: you could fix that...
[07:57] <bazhang> fixed
[07:59] <jussi01> bazhang: now you are sure you didnt break it?
[07:59] <jussi01> (ie. have you looked on the bans db?)
[08:00] <bazhang> jussi01, not sure what you mean ? there are some folks on that list I have never seen, and some that are clearly no longer active (ie LjL )
[08:01] <jussi01> bazhang: we have had people try change ops factoids and screw them up. hence my asking you to check that it doesnt say something stupid
[08:03] <bazhang> jussi01, I checked in PM with ubottu, via ops-#kubuntu
[08:03] <jussi01> aye, that works also.  :)
[08:03] <Flannel> Er, how would changing the factoid affect the bantracker?
[08:03] <jussi01> Flannel: it doesnt?
[08:03] <jussi01> I meant the factoid db... meh
[08:03] <bazhang> hehe
[08:04] <jussi01> same website..
[08:04] <tsimpson> it looks ok to me
[08:05] <bazhang>  apokryphos fdoving Hawkwind trappist LjL dont know
[08:05] <tsimpson> almost anyway (2 or's) /me fixes
[08:06] <bazhang> well apart from LjL
[08:08] <bazhang> trappist I see in the channel, the rest offline apparently
[08:09] <tsimpson> I haven't seen Hawkwind in a long time, and they don't appear to be on the access list anyway
[08:09] <jussi01> and isnt apokrohpys the orginal channel founder?
[08:10] <tsimpson> that was haggi wasn't it
[08:10]  * jussi01 gets confuzzled
[08:11] <tsimpson> he has +votsriRfA though
[08:15] <tsimpson> apokryphos is active in #k-devel, not so muck in #k
[08:18] <tsimpson> haven't seen fdoving in a while either
[08:19] <jussi01> me either
[08:23] <tsimpson> I removed fdoving, apokryphos, Hawkwind,  LjL, haggai and fooishbar from the trigger
[09:22] <mac_v> any ops around , could some one add this to the bots> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule
[09:29] <jussi01> mac_v: is it an update to a factoid? or a new one?
[09:29] <mac_v> new factoid
[09:30] <jussi01> mac_v: you can suggest factoids by simply saying !factoidname is <reply>bar
[09:30] <elky> it should just be tacked on to !karmic
[09:30] <mac_v> hmm.. never tried it ,
[09:31] <mac_v> !releaseSchedule <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule>
[09:31] <mac_v> !releaseSchedule is <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule>
[09:31] <jussi01> mac_v: no !foo is <reply> bar
[09:31] <mac_v> oh
[09:32] <mac_v> !KarmicSchedule is <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule> bar
[09:32] <mac_v> jussi01: \o/ , can anyone do that ?
[09:33] <jussi01> mac_v: that doesnt add it, just sends it here, but yes, all can do that
[09:34] <mac_v> oh , sending it here.. hmm, so now is it added or now its at the ops discretions?
[09:36] <jussi01> no, its at the ops discretion
[09:37] <mac_v> jussi01: i'm going to try it again just once, from ubuntu+1 just to see how it works
[09:37] <jussi01> mac_v: and you still have it slightly wrong
[09:37] <mac_v> hmmm nice... ok, ops can decide it later
[09:37] <tsimpson> mac_v: <reply> is exactly "<reply>", not the actual reply
[09:37] <jussi01> you need the <reply> bit
[09:38] <mac_v> oh! face palm
[09:38] <jussi01> change the bar for the actual reply
[09:38] <tsimpson> eg !KarmicSchedule is <reply> this is the schedule...
 makes the bot change the reply from "<factoid name> is <the reply>" to "<the reply>"
[09:40] <tsimpson> erm
[09:40] <tsimpson> !schedule-#ubuntu+1
[09:40] <tsimpson> it's already there
[09:41] <mac_v> hm... it didnt work earlier yesterday! or maybe we were all trying the wrong spelling
[09:42] <mac_v> oh we just tried "schedule"
[09:42] <tsimpson> it's a channel-specific factoid, for #ubuntu+1
[09:43] <tsimpson> the bot translates !schedule to !schedule-#ubuntu+1 when called from that channel
[09:45] <mac_v> tsimpson: oh , ok , thanx, something we must have spelled wrong i guess
[09:46] <mac_v> thanx guys , bye
[09:49] <tsimpson> the only thing I see from +1 logs is "!gnome schedule", oh well
[11:30] <Myrtti> !away > richardcavellafk
 norpan111: i have made a ppa full of bad code on launchpad for users to try
[14:08] <ikonia> bazhang: verify that if possible
[14:08] <ikonia> bazhang: if it is - we need to get it pulled
[14:14] <bazhang> he is joining
[14:15] <indus> hi
[14:15] <bazhang> indus, this was a joke?
[14:15] <indus> yes
 norpan111: i have made a ppa full of bad code on launchpad for users to try
[14:15] <indus> well, its obvious i didnt mean that
[14:15] <indus> you think ill advertise it like that if u made it?
[14:16] <bazhang> apart from it not being funny, #ubuntu is not the joke channel.
[14:16] <indus> i was suggesting, its possible for people to make such a ppa no?
[14:16] <ikonia> well the key thing is that it's not real, so no harm is done
[14:16] <bazhang> please never repeat this again. and keep jokes to offtopic channel indus
[14:16] <indus> well, ok just want to clarify 100 % , ikonia and bazhang this is possible yes?
[14:16] <ikonia> indus: PPA's are a bit of a funny subject as there are some bad ones out there, so it may be best to not suggest you've made a bad one
[14:17] <indus> ok
[14:17] <ikonia> yes, some PPA's do have bad / early development applicatios in them
[14:17] <ikonia> hence why it's not the best move to suggest you've made one yourself
[14:17] <bazhang> full of malicious code no less
[14:17] <indus> can i suggest , we always warn about security risks of ppa in #ubuntu
[14:17] <indus> ?
[14:17] <indus> bazhang: iam sorry
[14:18] <ikonia> indus: when PPA's are suggested, it's always a good idea to point out they can't really be supported
[14:18] <indus> ok
[14:19] <indus> what about developer ppas?
[14:19] <ikonia> still unsupported
[14:19] <ikonia> unless you are "the" developer, in whcih case you're responsible for it
[14:19] <indus> for example, many in karmic are suggesting using ppa's (in forums i mean)
[14:19] <ikonia> karmics not even out yet, so that's a stupid suggestion
[14:19] <indus> i prefer waiting for the repos
[14:19] <ikonia> unless it's discussing brining a PPA release into main
[14:19] <indus> k
[14:20] <indus> ok can i leave now?
[14:20] <ikonia> just be mindful of the people you are talking to, it's easy to believe that you have a PPA full of bad code, and it doesn't paint you or the PPA projects in a good light
[14:20] <indus> hmm true
[14:20] <ikonia> indus: you can leave when you want, it's just a a request
[14:20] <bazhang> thanks for joining
[14:21] <indus> intention was not /or never to malign ppa's
[14:21] <ikonia> of course not
[14:21] <indus> ok thanks bye and good day :)
[14:21] <ikonia> thanks bazhang
[14:21] <ikonia> he's a bit wild at times with his comments and attitude so it's best to knock it on the head now
[14:21] <bazhang> ikonia, I'm glad he was more open to discussion this time
[15:17] <popey> 14:19:21 < indus> for example, many in karmic are suggesting using ppa's (in forums i mean)
[15:17] <popey> not really
[15:17] <popey> 14:19:35 <+ikonia> karmics not even out yet, so that's a stupid suggestion
[15:17] <popey> some developers put code in their ppa before it hits karmic, so people can test wild stuff
[15:17] <popey> iirc bryce does this with xorg stuff
[15:18] <ikonia> as I said, unless being considered for inclusion
[15:22] <elky> and it's not really something that should be suggested to people who are by all considerations, newbies.
[15:26] <popey> missed that ikonia sorry
[15:27] <popey> ppas are not for newbies?
[15:34] <ikonia> I don't think they are for new users personally due to the lack of support
[15:35] <ikonia> I suppose it depends on what the quality of the content is
[15:44] <maco> the kubuntu backports ppa is advertised in #kubuntu
[15:45] <maco> (in the topic)
[15:45] <ikonia> I know - I really dislike that
[15:45] <ikonia> apparantly it's because it's too much hassle to get stuff into main
[15:45] <maco> i thought it was to let the users choose betwen 4.2 or 4.3 without having to also worry about the instability of karmic
[15:45] <elky> that reasoning is a cross between facepalm and headdesk.
[15:49] <elky> maco, regardless of why they're using a ppa for backports, how do you ensure that to a newbie who is unable to discern the quality of ppas, does not misunderstand what ppas are, and go on a ppa binge?
[15:50] <jpds> ikonia: s/main/backports/
[15:50]  * genii sips and thinks about PPA binges
[15:51] <Daviey> This is the users choice.  Whilst i agree that using PPA's from untrusted sources is bad, it's up to the user to choose what software packages they trust.
[15:51] <maco> elky: fair enough on the potential for misunderstanding
[15:51] <elky> Daviey, is it the user's choice if they do not have the experience to know what it is they're 'choosing'?
[15:52] <Daviey> yes.
[15:52] <elky> i'll remember that if i ever get to get your signature on something. I'm glad to know you won't care about the small print.
[15:53] <Daviey> i'm not sure that is what i said.
[15:54] <elky> personally, i'm not a huge fan of 'choosing' things that i have not been fully educated on. When I do choose something risky unknowingly, i inevitably feel ripped off, abused, exploited...
[15:56] <Daviey> If you compare the situation with other operating systems, rh *usually* (IME) has third party repos somewhere along the line. Windows *usually* has applications installed from unverified locations.  I'm sorry if that makes you feel abused, but this is rapidly going away from the terms of reference that should be discussed IMO.
[15:57] <maco> i think is why there's an area to explain your ppa on launchpad
[15:57] <maco> "WARNING: this ppa contains software for testing" versus "we're core-devs and thought you'd like to try some new stuff"
[15:58] <genii> "this is just stuff I'm experimenting with"
[15:59] <Daviey> On one of my PPA's i have:
[15:59] <Daviey> ***********************************************
[15:59] <Daviey> * Not complete or ready for public consumption.. *
[15:59] <Daviey> ***********************************************
[16:00] <Daviey> It is unfortunate that this is users control, and i agree there should be more warnings.. But the argument that it is a PPA and therefore inherently bad, is not a good stance IMO.
[16:02] <jpds> Daviey: Yeah, well, doesn't mean they won't consume it in private.
[16:02] <Daviey> sure, and that is a choice.
[16:14] <ikonia> I think PPA's a great thing, I just don't think we should be pushing them as s solution,
[16:14] <ikonia> it's impossible to support them and the ammount of "I pulled it from a PPA and now X doesn't work" in #ubuntu is a reasonable level, mostly not because the package is broke, but because it pulls down deps that upgrade some core components
[16:14] <popey> I'd be interested to know what the solution to Intel graphics driver sucking in Jaunty is that _doesnt_ involve a ppa
[16:16] <elky> popey, something like the intel idiocy furthering the ppa habit does not make it any less a bad habit, really.
[16:16] <ikonia> popey: that is a core issue, that should be solved in main
[16:16] <popey> ikonia: it isnt
[16:16] <ikonia> popey: I'm tired of this "next release fix"
[16:16] <ikonia> popey: expand on that please ?
[16:17] <popey> install ubuntu 8.10 on a machine that has intel GMA type video hardware and you _will_ experience the most appalling video performance since warty
[16:17] <ikonia> popey: I'm on it now
[16:17] <popey> er, 9.04
[16:17] <ikonia> I'm on 8.10 with an intel card
[16:17] <popey> sorry, silly me :)
[16:17] <ikonia> popey: yes, I agree, 9.04 sucks
[16:17] <elky> he's aware of the issue, popey. he responds to the issue several times a day in #ubuntu.
[16:17] <popey> and all the proposed 'solutions' 'workarounds' or whatever you want to call them..
[16:18] <popey> ok, I'll stop talking then elky
[16:18] <popey> you asked ikonia
[16:18] <ikonia> no no
[16:18] <ikonia> please continue
[16:18] <ikonia> I may have miss-understood your commnet on the intel card
[16:18] <ikonia> ok........
[16:18] <elky> ragequit? how mature...
[16:22] <Daviey> elky: throwing insults, how immature
[16:22] <Daviey> If he is upset, then it's better he removes himself from the situation, no?
[16:22] <Daviey> And saying things like "ragequit? how mature..." REALLY is not constructive, is it?
[16:25] <elky> one can remove themselves from a situation without being verbose about it. quitting a channel is verbose.
[16:25] <elky> what is the point of being verbose?
[16:27] <Daviey> commenting on it makes it further verbose, making the situation worse.
[16:27] <Daviey> Would it not have been better just to no comment?
[16:27] <Daviey> can you do that elky?
[16:27] <elky> is that a rhetoric, or just being patronising?
[16:28] <maco> TIMEOUT
[16:28]  * maco hands out cookies
[16:28] <maco> eat the cookies, then you can call time in, once you're all sweetened up
[16:28]  * Daviey removes himself from the situation.
[16:57]  * mneptok does the Dance Of The Sugar-Plum Fairies
[17:01] <maco> mneptok: have you heard The Vandals' rendition?
[17:01] <mneptok> maco: no, for i am a beautiful and delicate snowflake.
[17:02] <maco> punk version of Dance of the Sugarplum Fairies
[17:02] <maco> win!
[17:03] <mneptok> BEUATIFUL AND DELICATE SNOWFLAKE LALALALALALALALA!
[17:07] <Mike_lifeguard> What's the process for updating ubottu's factoids?
[17:08] <bazhang> Mike_lifeguard, you make a suggestion and if approved it is added
[17:08] <Pici> !usage
[17:09] <Pici> Second link has the syntax to make factoid suggestions
[17:09]  * elky cranks up the hairdryer and looks menacingly at mneptok.
[17:09] <Mike_lifeguard> Sorry, I've already done that & the factoid hasn't been changed
[17:09] <Mike_lifeguard> If there's a specific problem with the proposed change, it'd be nice to know so I can submit something better
[17:10] <elky> Mike_lifeguard, chances are it just slipped through without being noticed. try again now and we'll look at it.
[17:10] <Pici> Mike_lifeguard: Unfortunately we don't have a method currently to keep track of pending suggestions, so yes, listen to elky
[17:11] <Mike_lifeguard> hm, that should be fixed :)
[19:01] <ikonia> an hours gone by and no suggestion from mike_lifeguard
[19:03] <Seeker`> I know, I was waiting for that
[19:04] <ikonia> probably talking nonsense then
[19:04] <Pici> No, he was talking about a factoid in #ubuntu before he came in here.
[19:05] <ikonia> yet he's not submitted anything while he knew we where watching
[19:33] <Pici> how pleasant.
[19:34] <Pici> That was certainly colorful.
[19:35] <maco> ferrillz
[19:35] <maco> he's in #ubuntu
[19:49] <Pici> he was just in -offtopic too
[19:52] <genii> I guess we'll never know now which one he would have wanted changed
[19:52] <Pici> it was !xorg, he didn't like that it suggested ?dm
[19:52] <genii> !xorg
[19:53] <genii> Well, ?dm makes it desktop-agnostic
[19:53] <Pici> Agreed
[19:53] <Flannel> As long as you understand it's a wildcard and not a literal "?"
[19:54] <Flannel> but I don't think there's a better solution
[19:54] <genii> To have the same factoid with a one-letter change for 2 channels (at least #u and #k) doesn't make sense
[19:56] <Flannel> Well, even separating it by channels won't be sufficient, if you're using Ubuntu and kdm or whatnot.
[19:56] <Flannel> (because you installed kubuntu and let it do the default take-over, etc)
[20:02] <genii> Hm
[20:59] <maco> ikonia: i missed the line about him translating so i thought he was hitting on you
[20:59] <ikonia> ahh it's fine
[20:59] <ikonia> he's only human ;)
[20:59] <maco> i was like "huh? why's ikonia ok with being hit on? *scroll* Oooo translating what the other one said"
[21:00] <ikonia> hey what do you mean "why" !!!
[21:00] <maco> not "why is ikonia being hit on"
[21:00] <maco> but rather "why is ikonia ok with it"
[21:00] <ikonia> ;)
[21:03] <jussi01> hahah
[21:04] <jussi01> ahh, no one would hit on ikonia... :P
[21:04] <ikonia> troll in #centos #gentoo
[21:07] <mneptok> i banned him earlier in #maria
[21:07] <ikonia> in #maria ??? what is that
[21:07] <mneptok> look out for [Vendetta], too
[21:08] <mneptok> ikonia: oddly enough, it's the official channel of the Maria project
[21:08] <mneptok> bizarre naming, i know ...
[21:08] <jussi01> rofl
[21:08] <jussi01> wth is maria?
[21:09] <ikonia> she's about to be toast
[21:09] <ikonia> she's hitting #rhel/#fedora/#centos/#gentoo/us with this crap
[21:09] <mneptok> jussi01: http://askmonty.org
[21:13] <maco> who what huh?
[21:13] <maco> <-- articulate
[21:13] <ikonia> MariaKeys:
[21:15] <maco> ohok
[21:15] <jussi01> mneptok: ahh, ok then