[00:00] <Riddell> lex79: could do, in bzr?
[00:01] <lex79> no, Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/+bug/414520
[00:03] <Riddell> lex79: it's missing the KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT export
[00:03] <lex79> oh :(
[00:03] <lex79> sorry
[00:04] <Riddell> lex79: can you fix that and also diff the current ubuntu and your proposed debian directory?
[00:05] <lex79> ok I'll do
[00:11] <lex79> Riddell: there is not KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT in our ktorrent 3.2.2 rules
[00:11] <lex79> so, we should add?
[00:17] <Riddell> lex79: tsk
[00:17] <Riddell> it should be
[00:17] <Riddell> export KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT=extragear-network_ktorrent
[00:17] <Riddell> it's in ktorrent-3.2.1+dfsg.1
[00:18] <lex79> ok
[00:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, what about making the lang-packs depend on kde-l10n?
[00:37] <apachelogger> or make language-selector install it
[00:37] <apachelogger> otherwise one wont get any localized content
[00:38] <apachelogger> someone please revu http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kubuntu-firefox-installer
[00:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: I asked arne to do that and I thought he had
[00:44] <apachelogger> doesn't seem like it
[00:44] <apachelogger> at least I didn't have kde-l10n-de installed :S
[00:44] <apachelogger> maybe poke him again? :)
[00:45] <apachelogger> there was again uberfuzz on the german kde translators list since one of the largest german tech magazines complained in a review of KDE 4.3 about the lack of translations, which of course was occuring because the reviewer used jaunty + 4.3 without updated l10n
[01:38] <ryanakca> apachelogger: I think you'll want to install firefox without recommends... otherwise you pull in a bunch of GNOME crap (ex: synaptic, gksu, gnome-app-install, etc.)
[01:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: Mysql 5.1 is in Main now, so perhaps making the Amarok packaging not so insane would be good.
[01:40]  * ScottK is currenlty looking at Akonadi.
[01:41] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Maybe a kubuntu / firefox metapackage?
[01:43] <ryanakca> apachelogger: All the gnome crap comes from the firefox -Depends-> firefox-3.5 -Recommends-> ubufox -Depends-> apturl -> { python, python-central (>= 0.6.11), gconf2, gksu (>= 2.0.0-1ubuntu3), gnome-app-install, gnome-icon-theme (>= 2.14.0-1), python-apt, python-glade2 (>= 2.6.3-2), python-gobject, python-gtk2 (>= 2.6.3-2), python-vte (>= 1:0.11.15-4), synaptic}
[01:46] <EagleScreen> a firefox-kubuntu metapackage would be nice
[01:57] <nixternal> getting rid firefox would be nicer :)
[02:01] <ScottK> Make a KDE web browser that doesn't suck.
[02:01] <nixternal> Make a web browser that doesn't suck.
[02:01] <nixternal> there fixed it for you :)
[02:15] <claydoh> why can't konq use whatever webkit bits arora or whatever is using?
[02:16] <ScottK> It's non-trivial.
[02:16]  * ScottK doesn't recall the details.
[02:21]  * claydoh is surprised the ability to add it ala webkitkde wasn't built-in
[02:22] <nixternal> ScottK: install webkit-kde, then set webkit in the file settings of konqi
[02:22] <nixternal> I haven't been impressed with webkit yet that we have, as it doesn't work all that great sometimes
[02:22]  * claydoh is avoiding the khtml vs webkit debate
[02:23] <claydoh> nixternal: I agree there
[02:23]  * claydoh is avoiding the recent developer debate on khtml/webkit rather
[02:23] <nixternal> I am waiting for Chrome to be complete for Linux...sadly those evil Google people probably have the 2nd best browser going right now, could be #1 though
[02:24] <nixternal> Opera is a great browser :)
[02:24] <claydoh> I don't like its look
[02:24] <seele> opera isn't free as in speech
[02:24] <nixternal> me either
[02:24] <claydoh> thats either opera or chrome :)
[02:24] <nixternal> seele: this whole "free as in speech" thing gets to me now...as long as it works that's all I care about, or am starting to care about
[02:25] <seele> isn't it an ubuntu policy to ship only free software?
[02:25] <nixternal> nope
[02:25] <seele> oh. hmm
[02:25] <nixternal> ie. the kernel
[02:25] <seele> opera *is* a great browser
[02:25] <nixternal> the kernel has plenty of non-free bits in it
[02:25] <nixternal> we won't ship non-free applications by default anytime soon I don't think
[02:26] <seele> i think shipping opera is non-free enough to make enough loud people complain
[02:26] <nixternal> without a doubt
[02:30] <ryanakca> imho, having a notice saying "XYZ is non-free, blah blah, do you really want to install it. Ubuntu hasn't reviewed it, etc, etc." when installing something non-free should suffice. If you don't like it, don't install it. Let those who want to install it...
[02:31] <ryanakca> s/\.\.\.$/ install it.../
[03:55] <EagleScreen> should Debian Sid debbotstrap and cdebootstrap know about karmic dist?
[03:56] <EagleScreen> http://paste.ubuntu.com/254880/
[08:43] <micmord> bug 415191, can someone confirm/solve this? Thanks.
[09:19] <apachelogger> ryanakca: that is the plan, that is why it currently installs firefox :P
[09:20] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 415191 is what you were looking at for akonadi?
[09:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: bunzip2 amarok*bz2; lzma -9 *tar .... just for the record, that is what ought to be done for recompressing bz2 to lzma :P
[09:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: if the mysql packaging was allowing for sensible use by amarok ...
[09:27] <apachelogger> needs mysql-data-5.1 containing the share crap, since that is the only stuff amarok needs at runtime
[10:39] <Riddell> nixternal: it's very much ubuntu policy to ship only free software
[10:39] <Riddell> the only exception is for hardware enablement since free software is no use if you have nothing to run it on
[10:45]  * apachelogger hugs icrecream
[10:46]  * jussi01 steals apachelogger's icecream
[10:46] <Mamarok> jussi01: me!
[10:46]  * apachelogger asks the scheduler to restart :P
[10:46] <Mamarok> hm, ccache will have to do for now :(
[10:46]  * jussi01 is grumbly. can someone test/confirm my bug now?
[10:47] <apachelogger> Mamarok: markey and you should cluster up
[10:48] <Mamarok> apachelogger: hm, we should use one of the old computers lying around here and use it as a server, but the only decent one is the msi...
[10:49] <apachelogger> well, even a cluster with slow nodes is probably faster than the faster node on its own
[10:51] <apachelogger> in my experience if you have a halfway decent machine in the pool and build on a somewhat slower, the linking will take more time than the actual build ;-)
[10:52] <markey> gold ftw
[10:54] <apachelogger> markey: is it really faster?
[10:54] <apachelogger> like, noticable
[10:55] <markey> seems faster to me
[10:56] <markey> and really painless too, install package, done
[10:59] <markey> dented this the other day:
[10:59] <markey> "ext4 + gold linker + ccache makes for very nice compile speed. full rebuild of amarok with clean build dir, two cores (-j3): 2m9.444s"
[11:03] <markey> oh btw, kde always gets stuck on logout, on karmic
[11:03] <markey> I guess that's known
[11:05] <smarter> I heard some guy with a heavy linked app went from 8 hours to 40 minutes using gold
[11:10] <apachelogger> markey: now imagine ssd in that mix :D
[11:12] <smarter> and quad core :p
[11:13] <apachelogger> wouldn't help much since ccache is in the mix :P
[11:30] <apachelogger> seele: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/kubuntu-firefox-installer2.ogv
[11:32] <apachelogger> lol, my netbook builds amarok in 7m46s
[11:44] <seaLne> w00t after 2 months of no sound my AD198x is now detected again in karmic \o/
[14:04] <ryanakca> neversfelde: Could you give me a ping when you get around to reviewing that Contributor Agreement please? According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development , I can't contribute to ubiquity if I don't sign it, but imho, the agreement is rather vague and point 5 is just wierd... "I will execute any documents and perform any acts that Canonical requests from time to time [...]". But then, it might just be my lack of legal ...
[14:04] <ryanakca> ... education that's causing the alarm bells to go off in my head.
[14:14] <fox__> привет всем
[14:14] <fox__> есть кто из русских
[14:15] <ryanakca> Hi fox__
[14:15] <ryanakca> !ru | fox__
[14:16] <fox__> я не могу там зарегится
[14:16] <cbr> a u tebja nickname registrirovali?
[14:17] <fox__> я ввожу его, и не ргится
[14:17] <cbr> mhmh... nje ponimaju :)
[14:18] <fox__> ne mogu zregistririvatsa
[14:18] <cbr> pochemu?
[14:18] <fox__> a fig ego znaet
[14:18] <fox__> kak tam nado
[14:23] <cbr> uhm, net nado registrirovat, reshim +R net sto ja dumal
[14:24] <fox__>    /msg fox register <password> <email>  kuda eto pisat
[14:24] <cbr> ja dumaju sto eta nje nado
[14:24] <fox__> a kak
[14:24] <cbr> to pishesh eta sdjes
[14:25] <cbr>  /join #ubuntu-ru
[14:25] <fox__> 506 #ubuntu-ru Please register with services and use the IDENTIFY command (/msg nickserv help) to speak in this channel
[14:25] <cbr> aha
[14:25] <fox__> &
[14:25] <fox__> ?
[14:26] <cbr> Syntax: REGISTER <password> <email-address>
[14:26] <cbr>   /msg NickServ REGISTER bar foo@bar.com
[14:26] <fox__> hmm
[14:26] <cbr> tõ pishes /msg nickserv register tvoiparol tvoiepotshta
[14:26] <fox__> now poprobuy
[14:27] <cbr> i posle etovo /msg nickserv identify tvoiparol
[14:32] <fox__> sps vse prochlo
[14:34] <cbr> poshalusta
[14:53] <MsMaco> cbr: what's ponimaju? sounds familiar...
[14:53] <cbr> understand
[14:53] <MsMaco> ooo ok
[14:54] <MsMaco> yeah i think i probably said ne ponimaju a lot at one point then...
[14:54] <cbr> my russian is shabby :p
[14:55] <MsMaco> its been 3 years since i studied it...and i only studied it for a year...so mine's certainly worse
[14:55] <cbr> it's been 2 years since i studied it and i studied it for 7 years
[14:55] <cbr> but i'm still no good at it :p
[15:03] <fabo_> Riddell: ping
[15:13] <Riddell> hi fabo
[15:16] <fabo> Riddell: adenilson replied about googledata. he'll fix the issue asap. he wants to know if he needs to roll out a new release tarball ?
[15:19] <Riddell> fabo: I'm happy enough that it's in upstream SVN (Debian ftpmasters may vary I guess)
[15:21] <fabo> fine, no need to do another release for this quick fix. I upload -2 to Debian, inform ftpmasters and ask to adenilson the related commit. thks.
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> good morning
[15:32] <Riddell> hello JontheEchidna
[15:46] <Riddell> _Sime: http://www.pyside.org/  !
[15:47] <_Sime> Riddell: dude, that is sooo 30 minutes ago.
[15:51] <nixternal> wow, that is insane
[15:51] <nixternal> don't know if it is good or bad
[15:53] <Riddell> mm, agree
[15:54] <nixternal> ahh, the openbossa peeps are behind it
[15:54] <nixternal> would have been good if they worked with riverbank on pyqt, as i think it might be a bit late to toss another binding in the pool and have it super successful, or the defacto standard
[15:55] <nixternal> and...it seems to have Nokia backing and funding
[15:58] <Riddell> if Nokia wanted LGPL bindings I'm not sure why they didn't just throw some money at the riverbank guy
[15:58] <nixternal> exactly
[15:58] <nixternal> maybe he didn't go to Nokia and these guys did?
[16:00] <_Sime> Riddell: it sounds like they tried to reach some kind of agreement.
[16:00] <nixternal> ya, I read that
[16:00] <nixternal> seeing as openbossa has been working with nokia for a bit, that is probably how it all started
[16:01] <nixternal> PySide has better API docs for sure :)
[16:02] <nixternal> more noob friendly
[16:13] <EagleScreen> hi
[16:14] <EagleScreen> how is possible that jaunty to be unknown suit for debootstrap 1.0.15? http://paste.ubuntu.com/255189/
[16:22] <Riddell> EagleScreen: no debootstrap experts here I fear, you may have to ask elsewhere
[16:23] <EagleScreen> Riddell: my problem is that my pbuilder is using cdebootstrap, not debootstrap, and cdebootstrap does not know about jaunty and karmic
[18:01] <fox>  /msg nickserv register 123456 goufra@gmail.com
[18:07] <lex79> Riddell: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/394059/pkg-kde-tools_0.4.11ubuntu3.debdiff
[18:08] <lex79> JontheEchidna: o/
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> \o
[18:08] <apachelogger> can we haz bzr branch for pkg-kde-tools?
[18:10] <lex79> apachelogger: hi :) can you check my debdiff? now Debian uses "include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/debhelper/kde.mk" so I think we should add "kubuntu-desktop-i18n/kubuntu.mk" in debhelper/kde.mk
[18:11] <apachelogger> lex79: they are what?
[18:12] <lex79> uhm ?
[18:13] <apachelogger> I don't understand what you  meant by debian uses kde.mk
[18:13] <apachelogger> are they using it all over the place or something?
[18:14] <lex79> see pkg-kde-tools 0.4.11, there are two folder now, makefile/1/cdbs and makefile/1/debhelper, and Debian team now uses kde.mk from makefile/1/debhelper to build package
[18:15] <lex79> kubuntu-desktop-i18n/kubuntu.mk is define only in makefile/1/cdbs/kde.mk and not in makefile/1/debhelper/kde.mk
[18:16] <lex79> rules of ktorrent for example: http://paste.ubuntu.com/255247/
[18:16] <lex79> export KUBUNTU_DESKTOP_POT=extragear-network_ktorrent
[18:16] <lex79> has no effects because is not define in /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/makefiles/1/debhelper/kde.mk
[18:17] <apachelogger> ehm
[18:17] <apachelogger> not that I am up-to-date
[18:17] <apachelogger> but isn't only universe stuff supposed to use kde.mk?
[18:18] <apachelogger> AFAIK only debian-qt-kde.mk includes the i18n magic
[18:19] <apachelogger> or maybe not :D
[18:20] <lex79> no, also makefiles/1/cdbs/kde.mk uses i18n
[19:05] <wstephenson> JontheEchidna: no problem, i needed a kubuntu person and yours was the first mail in the browser completion
[19:06] <wstephenson> so i am looking for nightly builds of knetworkmanager in a PPA or something
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> I could throw up daily (or at least every-other-daily) snapshots in the experimental repo
[19:07] <wstephenson> if nobody is doing that already i could do that myself.  i would do it in the OBS but i don't think our jaunty, edgy etc builds will have kde 4.3 packages to build against.
[19:07] <wstephenson> every 2 days would be fine
[19:08] <wstephenson> yesterday some poor dude got back to my needinfo 2 weeks later with a load of really detailed debug -  using kubuntu packages from july 27 :/
[20:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: lp:~kubuntu-netbook/kubuntu-netbook/nightly
[20:11] <apachelogger> you really just need to exchange the packaging and change the values in the script to fit the different usecase
[20:11] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kubuntu-firefox-installer: fullscreen or not?
[20:11] <apachelogger> it's install vs. exit, so I for one think that fullscreen makes sense ... looks way better that way ;-)
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> what is kubuntu-firefox-installer?
[20:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/kubuntu-firefox-installer2.ogv
[20:13] <apachelogger> as suggested by seele in the last meeting
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> oh, I missed that one
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> I suppose I should read up on the minutes
[20:14] <JontheEchidna> and/or IRC logs
[20:15] <apachelogger> anyway
[20:15] <apachelogger> it's http://aplg.kollide.net/images/logos/snapshot2.png or http://aplg.kollide.net/images/logos/snapshot3.png
[20:16] <apachelogger> I for one think that that ubiquity theme looks way more sensible in fullscreen, and I can't think of a real benefit of having it not fullscreened
[20:17] <smarter> Quick note: for old/low-end netbooks(like the eee 701), Firefox is really unusable(at least if you wanna multitask), so a quick note about it being a bit heavy-weight would be appreciated
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> fullscreen++
[20:17] <apachelogger> smarter: we are thinking about making it default :P
[20:17] <smarter> meh
[20:17] <smarter> Arora ftw :p
[20:18] <apachelogger> I have been told arora is heavier than firefox
[20:18] <smarter> fullscreen gets in the way of the user, he wants to browse the web, not anwser your question, even if you use a fancy(and non-standard :P) theme
[20:18] <smarter> well, my eee certainly doesn't think so
[20:18] <apachelogger> smarter: I don't ask a question :P
[20:18] <apachelogger> just offer a choice
[20:18] <apachelogger> take it or leave it
[20:19] <apachelogger> latter is quite litterally, though the former will eventually imply the latter since the installer replaces itself with package-install ;-)
[20:19] <apachelogger> install-package even
[20:20] <smarter> still, it forces the user to think, which is bad :]
[20:20] <smarter> I think this is a bad solution for a real problem: KPackageKit sucks atm
[20:21] <apachelogger> not necessarily, whatever he does, he will end up on his desktop :P
[20:21] <apachelogger> ...also, since the user has to start the installer
[20:21] <apachelogger> ...
[20:21] <smarter> if it was better, someone we would lookup for Firefox would end up installing it using KPackageKit, without us having to do it for him
[20:21] <apachelogger> no
[20:22] <apachelogger> for that they first need to understand a whole lot things about linux
[20:22] <apachelogger> a) no exe download b) package manager c) package manager gui
[20:22] <apachelogger> possibly more
[20:23] <smarter> which is another problem: we need a "tour" to let the user discover that(that's been bothering me for a long time)
[20:23] <smarter> the "welcome" plasmoid could help, if it actually did anything :p
[20:23] <SiDi> Hello people
[20:23]  * apachelogger giggles about the welcome plasmoid
[20:24] <apachelogger> it is a bit like duke nukem :D
[20:24] <apachelogger> hola SiDi
[20:24] <smarter> afaik, the Kubuntu Doc is in quiet good shape, but it's completely invisible to users
[20:24] <smarter> not to mention khelpcenter sucks
[20:24] <SiDi> i've got a purely philosophical questions for you. How do you Kubuntu developers keep in touch with what happens in Ubuntu Foundations, and how do you anticipate changes in Ubuntu's core, if you do ?
[20:25] <smarter> SiDi: well, we're subscribed to the main Ubuntu development mailing lists and connected to the main Ubuntu development IRC channels, so if people communicate enough about their changes, we usually know
[20:26] <jjesse> plus there are kubuntu devs that are memebers of the foundations team
[20:26] <SiDi> okies
[20:26] <smarter> and there's regular meetings in real life with presentations which help see what everyone is doing
[20:26] <smarter> plus the planet
[20:26] <SiDi> I'm coming from #xubuntu, and we noticed that we tended to learn things after they were done :)
[20:27] <smarter> well, we do too sometimes :]
[20:27] <SiDi> So, ubuntu-announce and ubuntu-devel are compulsory steps.
[20:27] <SiDi> Are there other mailing lists we should watch ?
[20:28]  * apachelogger notes that -announce is heavily underused considering its main usecase
[20:30] <SiDi> Something else. Do you guys think there is a way for us to be informed about what is planned in the foundations and desktop teams before everything is released to public ? We dont have many people so when we need to do something we usually need a lot of time :/
[20:30] <jjesse> wo is "we"
[20:31] <jjesse> meant who is "we"
[20:32] <SiDi> Xubuntu
[20:33] <apachelogger> SiDi: bitch and moan about the lack of pre-change information
[20:33] <apachelogger> b'n'm usually works for me very well :)
[20:34] <jjesse> and you are quite good at it
[20:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, smarter: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kubuntu-firefox-installer revu plz
[20:34]  * apachelogger removes margin since it looks weird on full-wide-screen
[20:34] <SiDi> apachelogger: ok, that's more or less what the xubuntu devs already do, but it doesnt seem to have much impact :D
[20:35] <apachelogger> well, you have to do it out in the open, so that everyone who possibly contributes to the lack of information reads about it
[20:35] <apachelogger> and gets this certain feeling of anger that most of the time results in bettering oneself
[20:36] <SiDi> or they can also find that these xfce guys are very noisy and annoying :d
[20:36] <apachelogger> you certainly can't be more noisy and annoying than me :P
[20:38] <SiDi> alright, we're safe then :P
[20:41] <smarter> apachelogger: heh, nice attempt to push korondum scripts into the default install :P
[20:45] <apachelogger> smarter: they are in the default install
[20:46] <apachelogger> due to plama script stuff
[20:46] <smarter> yep, but nothing actually uses it
[20:46] <apachelogger> well, kfi does :P
[20:47] <smarter> are all the fancy graphisms from the Installer?
[20:48] <Riddell> lex79: adding kubuntu.mk seems like a good idea assuming it works, you've tested it?
[20:49] <apachelogger> smarter: yup, it actually uses a copy and changes some stuff via patches
[20:49] <lex79> Riddell: yes I tested it and woks :)
[20:50] <smarter> that screams for a common package
[20:50] <apachelogger> smarter: I'd agree if there was a thrid app ;-)
[20:50] <smarter> apachelogger: language-selector-qt could benefit from being sexier
[20:50] <apachelogger> aye
[20:50] <apachelogger> it could also use some usability
[20:51] <smarter> Conflicts: firefox, firefox-3.0 , firefox-3.5
[20:51] <apachelogger> everytime I use it I feel like fighting
[20:51] <smarter> What happens when you upgrade to 9.10, get that package and have firefox already installed?
[20:51] <smarter> apachelogger: yep
[20:51] <smarter> no point in separating the download/install and setup thing
[20:53] <apachelogger> smarter: didn't try yet,  I suppose we either need to special case it in update-manager or make those 3 packages conflict+replace kfi since conflict+replace should always overrule conflict I suppose
[20:53] <smarter> meh, special cases suck
[20:54] <smarter> oh, machine-readable copyright format, never used it before, has it finally been integrated into the spec?
[20:54] <apachelogger> nope
[20:54] <apachelogger> though I for one find it even more human-readable
[20:54] <apachelogger> mostly because it follows a clear structure :)
[20:55] <Gon> hey
[20:55] <Gon> D:
[20:55] <Gon> last karmic update has broken mysql-server D:
[20:56] <smarter> apachelogger: couldn't we have a kubuntu-firefox package that Depends: kfi | firefox | firefox-bla ?
[20:56] <smarter> Gon: they just switched from 5.0 to 5.1
[20:56] <Gon> yes, but, if i want to install 5.1
[20:56] <apachelogger> smarter: more like kubuntu-firefox that gets installed by kfi
[20:57] <Gon> breaks akonadi, kaddressbook, ...
[20:57] <smarter> I guess some rebuilds await us
[20:57] <smarter> apachelogger: yay, makes more sense
[20:57] <smarter> so, I'll let you do that :p
[20:58] <apachelogger> branding firefox
[20:58]  * apachelogger shudders
[20:58] <apachelogger> I'll probably go as far as adding my oxygen theme :P
[20:59] <Gon> sudo aptitude remove mysql-server-5.0
[20:59] <Gon> Se ELIMINARÁN los siguientes paquetes:
[20:59] <Gon>   akonadi-server{a} kaddressbook{a} kdebase-workspace-bin{a} kdebase-workspace-data{u} korganizer{a} kubuntu-desktop{a} libxklavier15{u}
[20:59] <Gon>   mysql-server-core-5.0 plasma-widgets-workspace{a}
[20:59] <Gon> some packages has 5.0 as dependency
[21:00] <smarter> apachelogger: has it been updated for 3.5?
[21:00] <smarter> Gon: they need to be rebuild with 5.1
[21:00] <apachelogger> smarter: yes, not released yet though
[21:00] <smarter> ok
[21:01] <apachelogger> next version will be done with all revised scripts, that multiple-icons-in-one-file approach cracks me up
[21:01] <apachelogger> already got a simple script that magicks oxygen icons into a one-file structure
[21:01] <apachelogger> anyway
[21:01] <apachelogger> smarter: if you want to test http://aplg.kollide.net/install.html
[21:01] <apachelogger> Nightrose: ^ as well
[21:02] <smarter> looks good
[21:03] <smarter> apparently it changed the font size of the UI text, is that intended?
[21:03] <apachelogger> yep
[21:04] <apachelogger> ds packages should overrule whatever the stylesheet does IMHO
[21:04] <apachelogger> for that matter, the ubiquity sheet should be changed to use relative font size shifts rather than defining absolute values
[21:05] <apachelogger> that way fonts would be bigger where needed, relative to the default-settings
[21:06] <apachelogger> smarter: or are you talking about firefox? ;-)
[21:06] <SiDi> apachelogger: are you talkin about the ubiquity slideshow ?
[21:06] <apachelogger> slideshow?
[21:06] <apachelogger> SiDi: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot044.png
[21:07] <apachelogger> about that
[21:07] <smarter> apachelogger: I am :p
[21:07] <SiDi> apachelogger: oh ok
[21:07] <apachelogger> smarter: lemme see
[21:07] <apachelogger> smarter: not intent
[21:08] <apachelogger> at least I don't have a patch for that
[21:08] <smarter> well, maybe I'm just imagining things :p
[21:08] <apachelogger> smarter: maybe the font size depends on the icon size ... since KDE uses 22 where GNOME would use 24px it is possible that the font size got resized automagically :D
[21:08] <apachelogger> that would my only guess
[21:09] <smarter> heh, that's possible
[21:09] <smarter> how do you choose the font size? Hard code to 22?
[21:09] <apachelogger> firefox is themed via css, so yes, I suppose one could hardcode it
[21:09] <apachelogger> but I was talking about icons ;-)
[21:10] <smarter> I mean icon size
[21:10] <apachelogger> I don't
[21:10]  * smarter is kinda tired :p
[21:10] <apachelogger> firefox just uses what it gets
[21:12] <smarter> the "Customize Toolbar" window has the "Restore Default Settings" button cut because it goes past the right border of the window
[21:12] <smarter> I guess that's a qtcurve bug
[21:13] <apachelogger> yep
[21:13] <apachelogger> possibly firefox
[21:14] <apachelogger> that happens when you don't layout your widget :P
[21:14] <apachelogger> grids ftw!
[21:15] <smarter> yep
[21:17] <Nightrose> apachelogger: thanks :)
[21:17] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you better give feedback :P
[21:18] <Nightrose> hehe ok
[21:18] <Nightrose> after i had food
[21:20]  * apachelogger uploads amarok without internal mysql stuff
[21:20] <apachelogger> oh dear
[21:20] <apachelogger> this will cause a horrible break
[21:35] <apachelogger> smarter: so, do I have a go for kfi?
[21:36] <smarter> well, as I said, adding a dummy package to depend on the actual installer OR firefox-* would be better than a Conflicts
[21:37] <apachelogger> yeah, that needs to be sorted later though
[21:37] <apachelogger> I just want it in main for starters :D
[21:37] <smarter> maybe you could just remove the conflicts and add the Depends line when we get to do a kubuntu-firefox
[21:38] <apachelogger> smarter: could do, but otherwise the worst that could happen is that firefox gets removed, which can be easily reinstalled anyay ;-)
[21:38] <apachelogger> which of course would force karmic tests into giving feedback
[21:38] <apachelogger> which is not necessarily a bad thing I suppose
[21:39] <smarter> heh, that's a bit machiavelic :p
[21:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: how will that cause a break?
[21:39] <smarter> as long as that gets sorted, +1 from me, do you want an ACK?
[21:40] <apachelogger> please
[21:40] <smarter> 'kay
[21:40] <EagleScreen> i think it should be called firefox-kubuntu, people will look for packages starting with 'firefox' to isntall firefox
[21:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: kfi conflicts firefox, firefox-3.0, firefox-3.5, so our expectation is that update-manager will nuke firefox* in favor of kubuntu-firefox-installer
[21:40] <apachelogger> if already installed that is
[21:41] <apachelogger> EagleScreen: right, just that it is neither firefox-kubuntu nor kubuntu-firefox
[21:41] <smarter> REVU says "#  The GNU General Public License is mentioned in debian/copyright but there seems to be no copy of it included in the source tarball, which is a requirement for it. (Note: The file may be there but have an uncommon name; please double-check before trusting this warning)."
[21:41] <apachelogger> don't trust revu
[21:42] <apachelogger> very poor license finding I must say
[21:42] <smarter> oh, yep, the files are in there, good job ;)
[21:43] <smarter> hmm, it looks like I don't have REVU powerz
[21:44] <smarter> which is weird since I'm pretty sure I did the merge account thing a while ago and reviewed packages
[21:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: neon trunk is as good as it will get ... I'll branch and start 100% refactor in which I'll drop multi-distro support and publisher support (i.e. pushing the tarballs via ftp or file moves to some webserving location for download, which IMHO is completely pointless and thus was never used)
[21:45] <apachelogger> unless you think they are useful of course :D
[21:46] <apachelogger> smarter: you should poke someone in the eye I suppose :)
[21:46] <claydoh> is it possible to have a kde3 app (kmymoney via my ppa) have its help/docs in kde4's help center?
[21:46] <apachelogger> but, revu buttons now look like buttons in konqueror
[21:46] <apachelogger> which IMHO is much more important than actually being able to revu :P
[21:46] <apachelogger> claydoh: should be by default
[21:47] <claydoh> so my paths must be wrong then :)
[21:47] <apachelogger> possibly
[21:47] <apachelogger> our KDE 4 shares the doc path with KDE 3, so KDE 3 apps should show up in KHC
[21:47] <apachelogger> unless you don't use CDBS and screwed up or the desktop file doesn't actually contain the necessary entry to make it show up in KHC
[21:48] <smarter> bah, I'm off to bed, I'll dig into REVU doc tomorrow
[21:48] <smarter> 'night
[21:48] <apachelogger> smarter: nini
[21:48] <apachelogger> claydoh: btw, do you want to write some sensible description for the kubuntu-firefox-installer?
[21:48] <claydoh> apachelogger: that's probably it
[21:48] <claydoh> apachelogger: sensible?
[21:49] <claydoh> :)
[21:53] <Nightrose> apachelogger: you deserve lots of cookies you know that right?
[21:53] <apachelogger> as a matter of fact, I do, everyone else just doesn't seem to know ;-)
[21:54] <Nightrose> haha
[21:54] <apachelogger> claydoh: well, more sensible that what I use now ;-)
[21:54] <apachelogger> s/that/than
[21:58] <claydoh> apachelogger:  wher's yours?
[21:59] <apachelogger> "Firefox delivers safe, easy web browsing. A familiar user interface, enhanced security features including protection from online identity theft, and integrated search let you get the most out of the web."
[21:59] <apachelogger> as seen here http://aplg.kollide.net/images/logos/snapshot2.png
[22:01] <Nightrose> apachelogger: can't install your theme - not compatible with my ff version :(
[22:01] <apachelogger> only works with 3.5
[22:01] <apachelogger> what are you using?
[22:04] <Nightrose> 3.0.13
[22:04] <Nightrose> afraid to upgrade because of extensions
[22:04] <apachelogger> Nightrose: then you can obtain the theme from addons.mozilla.org anyway :P
[22:04] <Nightrose> ah i have that one...
[22:04] <Nightrose> thought is was an improved version
[22:06] <apachelogger> well, it is, but only for 3.5 :P
[22:06] <Nightrose> hehe
[22:09] <claydoh> apachelogger: Firefox is the popular, award-winning web browser that is used by millions for it's ease of use, security features and many available addons. It provides a familiar user interface and a rich, safe browsing experience.
[22:09] <ghostcube> -_- damn rc6 isnt working as expected grml
[22:10] <apachelogger> is that clear enough why one would want to have firefox?
[22:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: please take a look at kubuntu-firefox-installer in new, cuddles, hugs and thanks :)
[22:11] <claydoh> apachelogger: well it sounds nice :)
[22:11] <apachelogger> no doubt on that :D
[22:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: firefox-installer.png is not GPL
[22:24] <ryanakca> maybe "Firefox is the popular, award-winning web browser used by millions for it's {simplicity,ease of use}, security features and many available addons. <ETC>"? Anyways, the 'that is' seems redundant imho
[22:29] <claydoh> ryanakca: I agree
[22:30] <apachelogger> there comes the headache
[22:31] <apachelogger> jeez
[22:31] <apachelogger> "Mozilla does not grant you any rights to the Mozilla and Firefox trademarks or logos"
[22:32] <apachelogger> ...http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html...
[22:32] <apachelogger> unaltered binary (if we assume that the icon is an affected binary) - check
[22:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: I suppose I should just mention that it is a registred trademark of mozilla and provide a URL to further information?
[22:40] <apachelogger> because, as I see it, since it is a ® anyway, it is not covered by the MPL
[22:45] <claydoh> another lame packaging question: using cmake for a kde3 app, any gotchas I may need to look for and learn to overcome?
[22:45] <claydoh> kmymoney2 is releasing 1.0 tomorrow
[22:45] <claydoh> haven't tried using cmake to build it in a long while
[22:47]  * apachelogger likes how the firefox-3.5 copyright doesn't say anything about the logo and/or the trademark even though it is redistributed via the debian directory
[22:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/255400/
[22:54] <apachelogger> maybe we should just use the unoffical branding :P
[22:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: that'll end up in multiverse as it is
[22:59] <apachelogger> yay
[23:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll use the unoffical branding for now
[23:00] <apachelogger> The default logos in CVS which are built into Firefox and Thunderbird by default (i.e. the globe without the fox, and the original blue bird) are explicitly not protected as Mozilla trademarks. The files themselves are available under the mozilla.org tri-license; you can do anything you like with them under those terms.
[23:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/255414/ for mentioned globe without fox icon
[23:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: that looks fine
[23:16] <apachelogger> ok, uploading new version then
[23:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: in new again
[23:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: I suppose asac would be the person to poke about the trademarks stuff?
[23:23] <lex79> Riddell: launchpad bug 414520
[23:23] <lex79> or apachelogger :P
[23:27] <apachelogger> lex79: kubuntu_02_qt_phonon.diff was applied upstream?
[23:29] <lex79> apachelogger: changelog says: Add patch debian/qt_4.5.2-1_phonon_ftbfs_fix  which workarounds a FTBFS against Qt 4.5.2-1 (Closes: #537023).
[23:30] <lex79> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=537023
[23:32] <apachelogger> well
[23:32] <apachelogger>     - Add debian/patches, debian/patches/series, and
[23:32] <apachelogger>       debian/patches/kubuntu_02_qt_phonon.diff since Kubuntu uses the Qt
[23:32] <apachelogger>       Phonon instead of KDE Phonon
[23:32] <apachelogger> I am not sure those 2 patches really try to kill the same problem
[23:34] <apachelogger> if the FTBFS modestas was fixing also got fixed by ScottK, I am wondering why former only fixed it in 3.2.3 and latter in 3.2.2 ... so I would conclude that kubuntu_02_qt_phonon.diff aint got anything todo with the other one
[23:34] <apachelogger> I might be wrong, but sure would like that to be investigated ;-)
[23:37] <lex79> apachelogger: btw should I add kubuntu_02_qt_phonon ? is it still need? I dropped libphonon-dev to ensure build against libqt4-phonon-dev
[23:37] <lex79> wrong? :)
[23:38] <apachelogger> well, I don't know since ScottK poorly documented the patch :P
[23:38] <lex79> yeah :)
[23:39] <apachelogger> lex79: ask ScottK, if his change indeed fixed the same FTBFS modestas fixed for 3.2.3 then we can happily leave it out
[23:39] <Riddell> compile it and see surely
[23:44]  * apachelogger would hope that lex79 already did that :)
[23:44] <lex79> uhmmm
[23:44] <lex79> :P
[23:54] <lex79> apachelogger: build fine with ScottK's patch
[23:56] <ryanakca> apachelogger: That a DEP-5 copyright file? Not that it matters, a kubuntu firefox installer will never get into Debian, but last I heard there was a boycott against it, DDs refusing to sponsor packages with it, etc.
[23:56] <lex79> now try building without any patches :P