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[00:13] <Samuel-NotAFK> Alacarte is being a pain and not letting me edit my menu.
[00:20] <bjsnider> why is the ubuntu fbreader package version so far off the source code's?
[00:21] <bjsnider> source  is at 5.17, karmic package is 10.17
[00:22] <BUGabundo> ehheh
[00:23] <BUGabundo> sounds like a bump
[00:23] <BUGabundo> ...in the road
[00:24] <bjsnider> a what-what in the what-what?
[00:29] <BUGabundo> going to bed. bye
[00:32] <Kamilion> hm, having a problem.... ubuntu-desktop refuses to install because 'ttf-bitstream-vera' has no installation candidate. I can't find it on packages.ubuntu.com either -- http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/ttf-bitstream-vera says "Package not available in this suite."
[00:40]  * Kamilion swipes a copy from jaunty
[00:59] <x1250> crap, I'm compiling cinelerra, but get this error: libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libogg.la' is not a valid libtool archive
[00:59] <x1250> libogg.la came in libogg-dev, but not anymore
[01:00] <x1250> there is a /usr/lib/libogg.a tho, but creating a link doesn't work. Any ideas?
[01:01] <mase_work> x1250: might wanna check that with the package maintainer
[01:03] <x1250> oh wait, the link worked 8)
[01:05] <x1250> uhm,  a lot of deprecated warnings, is cinelerra still being mantained? maybe lumiera is getting all the love I guess.
[01:05] <djdarkman_> hello, my webcam doesn't work anymore, it worked in Jaunty, how do I report it?
[01:06] <Pici> !bugs
[01:06] <ubottu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » If that fails, you can report bugs manually at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[01:07] <djdarkman_> I know how to file bugs, but I don't know what additional information to supply when my webcam is not working
[01:43] <wirechief> djdarkman_ does lsusb show your webcam ?
[01:46] <wirechief> if so you can include that line in your bug report, it will show the id of the device.
[01:57] <djdarkman_> yes wirechief it lists it
[01:58] <wirechief> well that id  might be usefull, you can do a dmesg |grep 0c45  or whatever it is and see if errors are showing
[01:58] <wirechief> and include that in your report.
[01:58] <wirechief> there are two 4 digit codes in that id might need to try both in the grep
[01:59] <CaptainCrook> suggestion... ask for a password when saving in restricted directory... big pain to have to move whole project files for a ; missing...
[01:59] <billybigrigger> djdarkman, what kind of webcam?
[01:59] <wirechief> i look for "Unkown"  as dmesg |grep Unknown  to see if something pops up
[01:59] <djdarkman_> I get nothing
[01:59] <wirechief> well thats really good
[02:00] <wirechief> your webcam is builtin ? or external ?
[02:01] <djdarkman_> builtin wirechief
[02:01] <djdarkman_> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0c45:62c0 Microdia Sonix USB 2.0 Camera
[02:01] <wirechief> ok well if its getting detected the name should be showing in the lsusb
[02:02] <wirechief> i would include that line in your report that way they have some clue what device is not working correctly
[02:03] <wirechief> also does ubuntu-bug webcam work to produce a lauchpad bug ? maybe its under a different tab
[02:03] <wirechief> tag
[02:04] <djdarkman_> hmmmm what the..... it seems to work wirechief..... now how could this be.......
[02:05] <wirechief> gremlins
[02:05] <wirechief> you kicked it.
[02:05] <djdarkman_> good thing I didn't report his
[02:05] <djdarkman_> but it's very damn strange....
[02:05] <wirechief> well it might of been a application that hung on it.
[02:06] <wirechief> and kept it disabled
[02:06] <wirechief> and you finally got free of the app
[02:06] <wirechief> i use htop to see what is running and what process's are using cpu
[02:07] <wirechief> might be an idea to get a snapshot of it while it works and one when it doesnt
[02:07] <djdarkman_> I really don't want to say things about stuff that I don't understand but maybe the boot process delayed the loading of this driver....
[02:07] <wirechief> hhmmmm i keep forgetting ubuntu gnome doesnt have ksnapshot
[02:08] <djdarkman_> I have KDE apps installed wirechief
[02:08] <wirechief> well that must of been one heck of a delay
[02:08] <wirechief> well kde apps can affect things in gnome
[02:08] <djdarkman_> few minutes if I'm right
[02:09] <wirechief> however i have had success with konversation and i think i even installed ksnapshot but dont really remember
[02:09] <lvzimmer> hi! i am having problem with the boot
[02:10] <lvzimmer> my cpu keeping restarting...
[02:10] <wirechief> djdarkman_: its not really recommended though to mix kde packages with gnome desktops
[02:10] <djdarkman_> why wirechief?
[02:11] <wirechief> it becomes a user beware of the results of conflicts.
[02:11] <djdarkman_> imho it's time for these projects to get along
[02:11] <wirechief> im not even sure that support is given when the packages are mixed, i could be wrong though.
[02:12] <Pici> With a few exceptions, kde and gnome apps should play nicely together.
[02:12] <djdarkman_> wirechief: both camps have great applications, there should not be a berlin wall between them
[02:12] <wirechief> i use kde myself but only when i log into a kde session so it really should get along.
[02:13] <djdarkman_> a lot of gnome users use kde apps and vice sersa
[02:13] <wirechief> i am only mentioned the possible conflicts, i myself have not had any, although others claim to have.
[02:13] <djdarkman_> wirechief: those must be resolved imho, it's not good for either desktops
[02:14] <wirechief> I do know that very little offer of support was given if a user had a mixed system (on other distros)
[02:15] <djdarkman_> it's kinda' lame, they are just two GUI libs
[02:15] <wirechief> however at this point i dont have a clue what was causing your webcam not to work, there might be a error log, am not sure if syslog is the place to look
[02:16] <wirechief> since dmesg didnt show anything unusual
[02:16] <djdarkman_> don't know, I am a programmer, but not an ubuntu developer, so most I can do is take quick guesses :)
[02:17] <billybigrigger> djdarkman, hate to tell you this now, but my webcam doesn't work either with the .31 kernel
[02:17] <billybigrigger> hasn't since 31-1
[02:17] <billybigrigger> and it uses the sonixj module
[02:17] <billybigrigger> and gspca
[02:17] <lvzimmer> did anyone try to install karmic on windows (wubi)?
[02:17] <wirechief> what is your webcam id with lsusb billybigrigger ?
[02:18] <billybigrigger> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 045e:00f7 Microsoft Corp. LifeCam VX-1000
[02:18] <wirechief> sounds like a candidate for a bug report if you havent already done it.
[02:19] <billybigrigger> its not an ubuntu bug
[02:19] <billybigrigger> well i guess you could file it against the kernel
[02:21] <billybigrigger> looks like there were alot of GSPC/V4L commits to the kernel in the last couple days
[02:21] <billybigrigger> i think it also might have something to do with the V4L apps using V4L libs and not V4l2
[02:21] <billybigrigger> i dunno
[02:25] <DanaG> "Removed armel/imx51"
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[02:58] <bjsnider> is anybody here using firefox 3.5?
[02:58] <Pici> Yes.
[02:58] <bjsnider> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/open-source-healthcare/2009/03/31
[02:58] <bjsnider> can you check that site?
[02:58] <bjsnider> look in the sidebar on the left, at the "select category" drop box
[02:59] <bjsnider> does it break out of its container?
[03:02] <Pici> bjsnider: yes, slightly
[03:03] <bjsnider> can you test it in another browser?
[03:04] <bjsnider> this happens on mac too
[03:04] <bjsnider> i think it's a bug in gecko
[03:04] <bjsnider> or bad code
[03:08] <Q-FUNK> bjsnider: both firefox and safari share the same broken CSS support, even though they are based on a different toolkit.
[03:10] <bjsnider> yes i'm talking to someone else who says safari is even worse
[03:11] <bjsnider> midori renders it fine though, which is weird
[03:12] <ethana2> ok, so, ubuntu is putting sound out through this audio jack on the front of my laptop
[03:12] <ethana2> I discovered this after restarting a couple times
[03:12] <ethana2> I'd kinda like sound out my laptop's speakers..
[03:13] <ethana2> this is a bug-- bad default settings
[03:13] <ethana2> compounded by the apparent lack of a configuration utility to correct it
[03:16] <ethana2> installed pavucontrol, fixed my instance of this problem
[04:28] <nztal> grub2 doesn't seem to detect my other operating system on my hard drive, windows which came with my laptop.  anyone know how to get it to acknowledge it in the boot menu ?
[04:35] <nztal> actually i found the fix for karmic, but the update-grub2 command seems to be missing.  anyone know if something can be used in its place ?
[05:00] <mase_work> nztal: you may need to install grub2
[05:00] <nztal> heh oh.  thank you.  i had done a update-manager -d earlier.  probably no grub2 with that.  thank you
[05:02] <nztal> anyone know what the state of fonts coming to appear nicer for browsing under karmic ?  anything being done with that ?  i seem to remember that it was lacking in linux in general, web browsing fonts that is.
[05:02] <tanath> how come my 2nd hard drive doesn't show in nautilus when run as root?
[05:02] <tanath> i can't mount it 'cause it says authentication is required, but it's not prompting for authentication. and when i run nautilus as root, it doesn't show at all
[05:03] <mase_work> nztal: all of the 'web-safe' fonts have been available since 2k4
[05:03] <nztal> ooh ok
[05:03] <mase_work> nztal: there is the liberation font set which you can install, they are metrically equivalent to the MS corefonts
[05:04] <mase_work> otherwise if a web page is using any other font they need to specify it with the @font attribute and provide the ttf
[05:04] <nztal> will try that one
[05:07] <tanath> >_< trying to save a file, but can't mount the drive. why would it say authentication needed (for one) and why would it fail to prompt for it as usual?
[05:14] <tanath> playing around in Authorizations seems to have no effect
[05:23] <ethana2> every song I play resets my volume
[05:24] <ethana2> and the volume is such that it can really hurt my ears now
[05:24] <ethana2> is this ReplayGain?
[05:25] <tanath> damnit, i can't mount my internal drive, except as root from terminal, and then i don't have permissions to write. and chowning isn't working. >_<
[05:26] <nztal> karmic daily build, isn't spawning gdm with my nvidia laptop card.  anyone know of a work around that i can do in console ?  xorg.conf is gone in this release
[05:26] <nztal> tanath, have you used chattr at all ?  that can keep some sudo commands from working
[05:27] <tanath> nztal, not familiar with it
[05:32] <billybigrigger> ethana2, $ killall pulseaudio
[05:32] <billybigrigger> should fix your volume reset problem
[05:32] <ethana2> k
[05:33] <ethana2> also, multimedia keys not working
[05:33] <tanath> how can i make it so it doesn't prompt for authentication to mount my drive
[05:33] <tanath> Authorizations app doesn't do the trick
[05:33] <billybigrigger> ethana2, mine either
[05:34] <tanath> mine work
[05:34] <ethana2> Inspiron 1420n here
[05:35] <tanath> ethana2, what're you playing them with?
[05:35] <ethana2> Totem
[05:35] <ethana2> from an .m3u playlist from jamendo.com
[05:36] <tanath> ok, not having that prob with local music...
[05:36] <tanath> hm
[05:37] <tanath> hrm, do you have to sign up?
[05:38] <ethana2> jamendo is Free.
[05:38] <tanath> not what i asked
[05:39] <tanath> looks like you do
[05:41] <ethana2> no
[05:41] <ethana2> if you do, you can save your preferences
[05:42] <ethana2> online flash player vs. m3u, etc
[05:44] <tanath> i'm looking for an m3u elsewhere but not finding one for some reason. shoutcast is only giving pls files...
[05:46] <tanath> can't find any m3us
[05:49] <ethana2> tanath: have you actually not heard about jamendo before?
[05:49] <ethana2> It is THE site for CC licensed music
[05:49] <ethana2> it is integrated right into every media player that calls itself Free
[05:49] <mase_work> jamendo is coool
[05:49] <ethana2> just get an account
[05:49] <mase_work> some really good music on there
[05:50] <tanath> i have
[05:50] <ethana2> set the 'play' thing to m3u
[05:50] <tanath> never needed it though
[05:50] <mase_work> you don't have to put in yoru real details if you don't want :)
[05:50] <ethana2> I get all my music there
[05:50] <ethana2> to boycott The Industry
[05:50] <ethana2> Paniq, Tryad, Rob Costlow
[05:50] <tanath> i don't care for the effort of making & keeping track of another acct & pw
[05:50] <ethana2> why another pw?
[05:51] <ethana2> I have my passwords in security tiers
[05:51] <tanath> best to avoid reusing passwords
[05:51] <ethana2> now I just have two
[05:51] <tanath> plus changing them periodically... taxes my already taxed memory
[05:51] <ethana2> top tier used in only three places
[05:51] <ethana2> other used everywhere else
[05:51] <ethana2> firefox remembers 'em all for me anyways
[05:51] <tanath> most secure place is in my head
[05:51] <ethana2> I do have a strict policy of not allowing them to be used from Windows machines thouhg
[05:51] <ethana2> and I mind my encryption
[05:52] <tanath> i just want to be able to use my freaking hard drive
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[05:53] <ethana2> what about a hard drive?
[05:53] <ethana2> https
[05:53] <tanath> i can't mount it, except as root, but then i don't have perms
[05:53] <tanath> and it won't let me change them
[05:53] <ethana2> ah
[05:53] <ethana2> :(
[05:54] <tanath> when i'm properly logged in to gnome, it prompts me for pw to mount
[05:54] <tanath> but i'm in kde because it's working better right now
[05:54] <tanath> and it just says authorization needed
[05:55] <tanath> or it did prompt last i checked anyway
[05:55] <tanath> dolphin has a more detailed error, but won't let me copy & paste
[05:56] <tanath> text isn't selectable
[05:56]  * tanath facepalms
[05:57] <tanath> apparently the standard locale is not allowed for my user id??
[05:57] <tanath> o.O
[05:59] <tanath> er
[05:59] <tanath> invalid mount option. setting locale isn't allowed..
[06:01] <tanath> apparently i'm not allowed to set locale via mount paramater (not sure why it's trying to do that). how do i fix that?
[06:02] <tanath> anyone?
[06:24] <tanath> :-/
[06:26] <mac_v> tanath: there is a bug about the mount , let me get it
[06:28] <mac_v> tanath: Bug #409216 , this is the main problem , setting the permissions in the Authentication menu doesnt help either
[06:28] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 409216 in devicekit-disks "devicekit prompts for authentication to mount internal disk at every login (dup-of: 396448)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/409216
[06:28] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 396448 in gvfs "inconsistent automounting on startup" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396448
[06:29] <DanaG> eSATA drives are counted as internal... how annoying.'
[06:33] <tanath> thanks
[06:36] <tanath> neither of those seems to be quite what i'm looking for...
[06:36] <tanath> my issue is a little different
[06:41] <tanath> gvfs-mount is saying volume doesn't implement mount...
[06:49] <nztal> karmic alpha 4 is not working with a new alternate cd install and my nvidia chipset on my laptop.  is there anything i can do, to possibly get GDM started ?  no xorg.conf to tweak anymore
[06:54] <mase_work> nztal: you could use the nv or possibly neuvou drivers
[06:59] <nztal> mase_work, how would i try the nv driver ?  i'm unsure what to edit
[06:59] <nztal> i'm going through the manual installation process for the official nvidia driver, i'm not 100% sure it will work on karmic though.  no xorg.conf
[06:59] <mase_work> nztal: i would probably suggest that running karmic is probably not the best option for you at this time if you need a stable system.
[06:59] <sandeep> right clicking on gnome-panel shows only 'help' and 'about' or is it just me
[07:00] <nztal> mase_work, i dont mind doing work, to get things running.  i'm moving forward with this nvidia installation it might work
[07:01] <mase_work> nztal: yeh i understand that, but +1 is pretty much for testing. This will break, get fixed, break again etc..
[07:02] <mase_work> its not really meant as an end user desktop
[07:02] <nztal> i've been adopting the alphas for the past few years now, usually at alpha 3 stage.  i have a understanding of what i'm getting myself into
[07:03] <nztal> i've just never had this problem before, thats all.  working on getting up and running
[07:05] <mase_work> k
[07:12] <nztal> got it working with the official nvidia installer
[07:16] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/412449
[07:16] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 412449 in gvfs "Incorrect mount/umount/REMOVE behavior of USB drive" [Wishlist,Triaged]
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[07:21] <nztal> mase_work, what i will not do, is enable proposed :)  thats where i went wrong last time.  network-manager-gnome got broken, but i had a wicd deb to fall back on.  its on my laptop, not my desktop, which uses wicd exclusively anyways
[07:33] <J-_> Is anyone else having pulseaudio problems in karmic?
[07:33] <J-_> in KDE
[07:42] <mase_work> J-_: what kind of problems
[07:42] <J-_> Pulseaudio shutting off here and there
[07:43] <J-_> Is there anyway to use a different sound server?
[07:46] <alankila> it looks like pulseaudio's tentacles have been generally wiggling into different parts of GNOME, and there's now a point where the system is dead if it decides to squeeze strongly enough.
[07:46] <J-_> I'm in KDE. :)
[07:46] <alankila> meaning that I tried to uninstall pulseaudio only to have something like gconfd run in a tight cpu loop trying to open some ~/.pulse/ files
[07:46] <mase_work> you should be able to select hte hardware direclty then
[07:46] <mase_work> in settings manager
[07:47] <alankila> I guess KDE will resist direct integration with pa on account of their phonon.
[07:47] <mase_work> kde makes it easy :)
[07:47] <shadeslayer> J-_: KDE ftw
[07:47] <mase_work> phonon rocks
[07:47] <shadeslayer> mase_work: not just phonon...the whole of KDE
[07:47] <mase_work> indeed
[07:48] <alankila> I have also seen that PA is relatively obsessed with the time of the day kernel call. Using oprofile I discovered that all those gettimeofday calls were giving a significant cpu load.
[07:48] <alankila> it seems better now, somehow, though
[07:49] <mase_work> wonder why that is there
[07:49] <mase_work> seems odd
[07:50] <J-_> So I just have to defer HDA audio, and refer Pulse or whatever?
[07:50] <mase_work> yeh
[07:50] <J-_> nice
[07:51] <alankila> doesn't KDE still have artsd or something?
[07:51] <J-_> thanks man! ^5
[07:51] <alankila> you could install that for an alternative sound server, in case using the hw directly results in any sort of badness. Though I guess dmix will be used?
[07:51] <mase_work> alankila: no kde doesn't have artsd
[07:51] <mase_work> not as of 4.x
[07:52] <alankila> they decided on ALSA dmix then?
[07:53] <mase_work> no they use phonon which can use pulseaudio or alsa or jack
[07:53] <mase_work> or whatever else
[07:53] <mase_work> esd
[07:53] <alankila> right, but: will a normal person have anything but alsa?
[07:54] <mase_work> they will have pulse most likely
[07:54] <mase_work> which will use alsa  i guess
[07:54] <J-_> hrm. Pulse is still messing up
[07:54] <UnNaturalHigh> can anyone here suggest a ppa for karmic kernel backports to jaunty?
[07:54] <mase_work> J-_: what is the error ?
[07:54] <J-_> I have no clue. Where can I find the error?
[07:55] <mase_work> i don't know...... i assumed there was an error since you were blaming pulse
[07:55] <mase_work> where did you get the information that pulse was messing up
[07:55] <mase_work> or did you just not get sound and assume that pulse was broken
[07:56] <J-_> That's what I figured mase_work
[07:57] <mase_work> J-_: you were probably incorrect then. Maybe the driver its self doesn't work
[07:57] <mase_work> either that or its muted :)
[07:58] <J-_> Dunno. The sound goes off and on with different things. I'll get from kopete, and pulse will mute my music
[07:58] <J-_> err, not mute
[07:58] <J-_> but the music won't work
[07:58] <mase_work> but if you have told kde to not use pulse then its not pulse doing it
[07:58] <alankila> We don't really have good language for audio problems. The resolution of the problem description tends to be binary: works or doesn't.
[07:59] <J-_> I told it to prefer Pulse. In which it defered HDA
[07:59] <J-_> I never had the problem before
[07:59] <J-_> Especially in Hardy and below
[07:59] <J-_> err, Jaunty and blow :P
[08:00] <J-_> below*
[08:00] <mase_work> J-_: so it wasn't working ? you assumed it was pulse that messed up so you told it to use pulse ? that doesn't make any sense ;)
[08:00] <alankila> I wonder how much flack Lennart has got for pulseaudio so far. Having authored such an almost-universally hated program the guy is by now either suicidal or extremely thick-skinned.
[08:01] <J-_> I'm guessing that when pulse is in use, and another program makes a sound, HDA goes for priority and kills pulse?
[08:01] <mase_work> alankila: to be fair, its not his fault. The distros picked it up way too early
[08:01] <alankila> flak rather, anyway
[08:01] <mase_work> J-_: thats probably not how it works
[08:01] <J-_> ah
[08:02] <alankila> I have observed that I usually get audio from just one source: either all pulse-audio apps, or whatever device wants to open the hardware directly right now. It's a strange behavior IMO.
[08:02] <J-_> I wonder what would happen if I removed pulse
[08:02] <alankila> err... whatever program
[08:03] <J-_> Or maybe I can install alsa
[08:03] <alankila> mase_work: yeah I have more than average tolerance for problems -- otherwise I wouldn't be running all the alphas and betas (stability is boring) -- but PA has start to get on my nerves
[08:03] <indyboy_123> !join
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[08:04] <indyboy_123> !bot
[08:04] <ubottu> Hi! I'm #ubuntu+1's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:04] <alankila> mostly because it insists on flipping the damn "Optical raw" bit on my audigy every time it starts up and that kills all non-pulse apps so I always have to go put it back the way it was
[08:04] <mase_work> alankila: yeh i can understand that, to be fair though i haven't actually run into pulseaudio problems my self. So i think it depends largely on the drivers
[08:06] <alankila> and of course, the alsa-pulse bridge that it puts into ALSA doesn't really work. I have software that dies with "socket operation on non-socket", and it is bog standard ALSA shit that works without pulse and all it wants is just a device to write a 16-bit stream to. Christ, it's not complicated, and I have no idea why it won't work.
[08:09] <alankila> sorry for airing my grievances anyway. I guess I'm quickly drifting into off-topic rantyland
[08:09] <J-_> Would removing pulseaudio, and using alsa work?
[08:10] <jmite> I'm running karmic alpha 4. does anybody know why in sysv-rc-conf hal is enabled and udev is not set by default?
[08:10] <alankila> I'd just say that it would be fucking marvellous if I didn't have to dick with alsa settings every time my machine boots up.
[08:10] <J-_> haha
[08:11] <J-_> family friendly channel
[08:11] <shadeslayer> so anything break in KDE with todays updates:?
[08:12] <jmite> has udev not been implimented yet in karmic?
[08:12] <shadeslayer> brb in a jiffy
[08:12] <alankila> jmite: udevd runs here, ps aux|grep udev?
[08:14] <jmite> ps aux|grep udev
[08:14] <jmite> sorry, typo
[08:14] <jmite> root      1301  0.0  0.0  19292  1148 ?        S<s  Aug17   0:00 /sbin/udevd --daemon
[08:14] <jmite> joey     25591  0.0  0.0   7340   884 pts/0    S+   01:13   0:00 grep udev
[08:15] <alankila> hmm, so, you do have udevd running, enabled or not...?
[08:15] <jmite> Just going by sysv-rc-conf, does it not change boot services in karmic?
[08:16] <jmite> in sysv-rc-conf, hal is still enabled... I assume I can safely sidable it? (well, nothing safe, but I can try)
[08:16] <alankila> Don't know, but I'd assume yes, given that the /etc/rc?.d stuff is still there as always
[08:17] <alankila> I wouldn't touch it if I were you, actually, but life's boring without experimenting, hey?
[08:17] <jmite> yeah, that's why I downloaded the alpha. was udev chosen cause it was faster?
[08:17] <alankila> I don't have udev configured for rl 2 but I do have hal. I have stopped tracking just how these hird of kernel-related processes relate to each other these days
[08:18] <alankila> no point, because the whole stack seems to be reinvented every 6 months or so
[08:20] <jmite> okay. I'll play around a bit. thanks!
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[09:26] <richardcavell> I decided that after updating to alpha 4 I wouldn't apply any more updates, since applying updates in the past has caused me to break things (sound, networking).  However, I just rebooted and it looks as though all sorts of things have been updated without my knowledge.  Icons are different, my menus are a little different, update manager looks new, and so on.  I have "only notify about updates" selected in Softwar
[09:26] <richardcavell> e Sources.  Does Karmic update without my permission?
[09:36] <linuxhippy> OOo doesn't have any icons in the toolbars in Alpha4, and idea what could be the problem?
[09:39] <richardcavell> linuxhippy: I just worked out the problem
[09:39] <richardcavell> linuxhippy: Don't mind me.  Bug report going in now.
[09:39] <linuxhippy> well, my gf is already angra ... can't afford to wait 3 months ;)
[09:39] <linuxhippy> any idea whats the problem?
[09:40] <richardcavell> linuxhippy: Oh sorry man, I thought you were replying to my question
[09:41] <richardcavell> linuxhippy: I don't know how to fix your problem
[09:42] <linuxhippy> *gg*
[09:42] <linuxhippy> no, just joined ^^
[10:09] <om26er1> can any1 tell me a little about ubuntu moblin project
[10:09] <om26er1> !moblin
[10:09] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moblin
[10:22] <kavurt> resolution is pretty good without installing nvidia drivers in alpha 4 kubuntu. do we still need to install them?
[10:23] <RAOF> kavurt: No, but you won't get much 2D acceleration and no 3D.
[10:23] <RAOF> You care about 2D acceleration if you use compositing, or watch video at all.
[10:24] <kavurt> can't I watch video now?
[10:24] <RAOF> You probably can, but it'll be slow.
[10:24] <kavurt> I see. thanks
[10:24] <RAOF> If you don't want the binary drivers you can try the nouveau drivers (xserver-xorg-video-nouveau).  They do good 2D (in my experience they're better than the binary drivers), no 3D, and they might even support suspend now :)
[10:27] <kavurt> RAOF: should I just install that package to try it?
[10:29] <RAOF> Why not :)
[10:29] <RAOF> You'll also need to edit xorg.conf to actually use the drivers, though.
[10:29] <RAOF> (Just sticking a Driver "nouveau" in the Device section, basically)
[10:30] <kavurt> 3D means compiz basically, doesn't it?
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[10:36] <th1> why is pulseaudio required component of "ubuntu-desktop" and "ubuntu-netbook-remix"?
[10:36] <th1> and why is there no longer a working volume control applet if pulseaudio is removed?
[10:37] <th1> I have to use alsamixer instead because pulseaudio sucks so badly
[10:37] <th1> but everything else works fine without it so I don't get why the .... its a required dependency
[10:44] <ripps> Does anybody here know how to use ffmpegthumbnailer in nautius, I like how fast it is compared to totem-video-thumbnailer in nautilus.
[10:56] <norpan111> Hello
[10:59] <norpan111> can i upgrade to beta when its released? i mean im using aplha right now
[11:00] <norpan111> ...
[11:03] <oldude67> yes
[11:05] <norpan111> with -update-manager -d ?
[11:05] <norpan111> cant remember what it was
[11:08] <norpan111> what is this "new theme" that i heard about in karmic?
[11:09] <oldude67> update-manager -d will take you to the next release i believe.
[11:09] <norpan111> oldude67,  thnx =)
[11:11] <norpan111> 1 okt, cant wait!!!
[11:12] <norpan111> My mobile broadband does not work since update
[11:12] <norpan111> How do i report that bug?
[11:13] <oldude67> well check to see if someone else hasnt made a bug report on it yet and check on ubuntu home page about filing a bug report.
[11:13] <norpan111> Is the name mobile broadband?:P
[11:14] <oldude67> probably not, probably want the chip set off the device.
[11:15] <norpan111> Huawaei
[11:15] <norpan111> Huawai
[11:15] <norpan111> ...uhm
[11:15] <oldude67> do you have a model # or sn # on it? if so google for more info.
[11:16] <norpan111> i googled it, could not find anything really
[11:16] <norpan111> can i check launchpad?
[11:17] <oldude67> sure, you could also do lshw and lspci and see if it sees it and names it as well.
[11:20] <norpan111> Found it =)
[11:20] <norpan111> thanks!
[11:20] <norpan111> Just searched huawei  launchpad, newest
[11:20] <norpan111> Found others
[12:56] <christian_lappy> karmic runs fine so far on my lappy :-)
[12:56] <christian_lappy> only one issue..
[12:57] <christian_lappy> while heavy io, the desktop is absolutely unusable...
[12:57] <christian_lappy> any hints ?
[13:01] <christian_lappy> does arora work for you guys ??
[13:02] <christian_lappy> it takes ages to open sites for me
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[13:18] <suit> I get the following error when trying to compile: 'checking for openssl directory... configure: WARNING: Could not find a linkable openssl.  If you have it installed somewhere unusual, you can specify an explicit path using --with-openssl-dir'
[13:18] <suit> Now, I could easily do that but I'd rather know how to fix that problem. As in, it should recognize the right location by itself. How would I do that?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[13:33] <shadeslayer> hey is sound in flash working in Kubuntu?
[13:33] <suit> yeah
[13:33] <shadeslayer> suit: in arora?
[13:33] <suit> lemme check that real quick
[13:34] <suit> yup
[13:34] <shadeslayer> suit: doesnt work here....any ideas?
[13:34] <suit> A couple. What kind of sound card do you have?
[13:35] <shadeslayer> suit: card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
[13:35] <shadeslayer> suit: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[13:36] <suit> Are you on a laptop by any chance?
[13:36] <shadeslayer> suit: yeo
[13:36] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:37] <suit> You got any headphones laying around?
[13:37] <shadeslayer> suit: sure hang on
[13:37] <suit> Heard of a couple of cases now where it was just the inbuilt speakers acting out
[13:38] <shadeslayer> suit: no sound in headphones
[13:38] <suit> May not sound like it, but that's a good thing because solutions to the speaker error seem to be absent
[13:39] <shadeslayer> suit: hehe
[13:39] <suit> Can you run alsaconf without errors?
[13:39] <shadeslayer> suit: command not found
[13:40] <suit> Yeah, that was pretty outdated I guess. Not up to speed with the currents in audio output
[13:41] <suit> Let's try something else. More often than not stuff is just muted
[13:41] <shadeslayer> ill google around then.... try rekonq and see if it doesnt work there too
[13:41] <shadeslayer> 18:11 < suit> Let's try something else. More often than not stuff is just muted
[13:41] <shadeslayer> sorry...irssi at it again
[13:41] <suit> enter 'alsamixer' and on every entry with MM you push 'm' so it's unmuted
[13:41] <shadeslayer> suit: ive checked all channels in kmix and set everytimg to high
[13:41] <suit> Ah, alright
[13:41] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:42] <suit> KMix accesses the same channels as alsamixer as far as i know, so that could probably be ruled out.
[13:42] <shadeslayer> suit: just checked alsamixer....no muted channels
[13:42] <suit> Yeah, my wisdom basically ends there.
[13:42] <shadeslayer> suit: hehe
[13:43] <shadeslayer> ill try out some other browser just to be sure its not arora
[13:44] <suit> Oh, and you should of course have..ehm..whats it called.
[13:44] <shadeslayer> suit: kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[13:44] <suit> The restricted packages with all the codecs and stuff
[13:44] <suit> riiiight hehe
[13:45] <suit> That could help you out, too: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[13:45] <suit> Don't know how up to date it is with the phonon and the pulseaudio and whatnot the cool kids use nowadays. :D
[13:46] <BluesKaj> try firefox , the flash plugins will usually work ...if not then it's prolly a plugin or sound setting prob
[13:47] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: yeah,ill try rekonq and firefox
[13:48] <BluesKaj> make sure you have the plugins installed of course
[13:48] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: of courser
[13:48] <shadeslayer> i just added myself to the audio group
[13:51] <shadeslayer> well that didnt work
[13:52] <BluesKaj> the soures.list has some 'canonical partners' commented out due to legal reasons
[13:52] <BluesKaj> these repos contain the flashplugin-nonfree
[13:53] <shadeslayer> oh and also do you have problems with the alt+tab switch thing?
[13:53] <BluesKaj> I think :)
[13:53] <BluesKaj> not me
[13:54] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: i have the flashpuggin-installer....so i think it was installed but dpkg -l | grep flashplugin-nonfree doesnt show it
[13:54] <shadeslayer> *pluggin
[13:55] <shadeslayer> with the alt+tab it "sheets" the windows
[13:55] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, try, apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree
[13:55] <shadeslayer> make that slides back the windoes
[13:56] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.ca/1533768
[13:57] <BluesKaj> it's not installed, shadeslayer
[13:57] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: i think so :P
[13:57] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: but isnt the flashpluggin-installer supposed to install it?
[13:59] <BluesKaj> never used it , I just used apt , after editing my sources list
[13:59] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: hmm
[13:59] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, that was waay back when i installed intrepid
[14:00] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: heh.... i do clean installs....leaves my system snappier
[14:00] <BluesKaj> I've upgraded by the cli eversince
[14:01] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, well ,do an apt-get or aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree
[14:01] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: yeah,im installing cmake.....
[14:02] <BluesKaj> why , you don't need to make things complicated with cmake
[14:02] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: oh no,i wanted to compile rekonq and a few other things
[14:02]  * BluesKaj shrugs
[14:03] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: things like stasks from kde-look and some widgets
[14:06] <shadeslayer> nope no sound
[14:12] <shadeslayer> hmmm i think i found a bug report :)
[14:15] <histo_> ughh having issues getting my intel 915 to give the proper resolution to my plasma tv
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[14:15] <histo> can't seem to put my finger on this one.
[14:16] <histo> I've tried using cvt and getting the modeline for 1360x768 and adding that to xrandr with no success. After switching to the proper mode the tv says out of range
[14:16] <histo> I plugged in the wifes laptop which is running windows and the TV communicates with windows fine and displays the proper resolution.
[14:19] <shadeslayer> yeah,so i think i found a bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/396558
[14:19] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 396558 in flashplugin-nonfree "No sound from flash on amd64" [Undecided,New]
[14:20]  * BluesKaj wonders what happened to printer options in system settings...there aren't any
[14:21] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: printer configuration?
[14:22] <histo> BluesKaj: system > administration > printers
[14:22] <BluesKaj> histo, sry I'm on kde
[14:26] <histo> BluesKaj: ahh no idea then.
[14:26] <histo> BluesKaj: you could try using localhost:631 in a browser
[14:28] <shadeslayer> brb
[14:29] <suit> I can't stress enough how awesome Yakuake is. Just had to throw that out there. Carry on.
[14:29] <BluesKaj> weird , was able to set printer options in system settings in previous versions of kubuntu , now there is nothing
[14:30] <BluesKaj> print drivers must be part of the kernel module now , hence hal has taken over just like X :P
[14:31] <BluesKaj> my printer works ok , histo ..was trying help someone over at #kubuntu
[14:35] <shadeslayer> flash works!!! with sound!!!
[14:39] <BluesKaj> you on 64bit shadeslayer ?
[14:39] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: yeah
[14:41] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: i cant do the alt+tab thing though....
[14:44] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:45] <shadeslayer> kdebase-workspace is not installed....should i be concerned?
[14:57] <js> hi. is there any reason nspluginwrapper is used for flash on amd64 in karmic? there's a native version by adobe
[15:01] <shadeslayer> js: i was having problems with flash earlier,but i just looged out and logged back in and i could use it properly
[15:07] <js> shadeslayer: well, it's always using nspluginwrapper here and blocking audio :/
[15:11] <geser> has somebody any idea why I don't have sound in totem but in rhythmbox or firefox (watching youtube)?
[15:14] <shadeslayer> js: well,i have xine,and try installing flashplugin-nonfree.....
[15:19] <billybigrigger> mornin all
[15:20] <BluesKaj> hey
[15:20] <billybigrigger> howdy
[15:47] <billybigrigger> i killed this mornings convo eh? haha
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[17:02] <mphill> is anyone getting this error: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.15.3.1ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[17:03] <shadeslayer> mphill: what DE?
[17:04] <shadeslayer> i have kubuntu and no i dont have the error....maybe its a bad archive? have you tried sudo apt-get clean ?
[17:04] <mphill> i just dist-upgraded from jaunty
[17:04] <shadeslayer> ah..
[17:04] <shadeslayer> no idea then...clean install here
[17:05] <mphill> that did not work
[17:05] <mphill> i am annoyed
[17:05] <mphill> this is unfortunate
[17:06] <shadeslayer> mphill: so after a clean have you tried reintstalling the package?
[17:07] <BluesKaj> mphill, run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:08] <billybigrigger> mphill, pretty sure the karmic release notes state to use $ update-manager -d
[17:08] <billybigrigger> to upgrade from jaunty
[17:08] <coz_> mphill,   try removing   /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin and srcpkgcache.bin
[17:08] <coz_> mphill,   then restart synaptic
[17:08] <coz_> or whtever you are are using
[17:09] <billybigrigger> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4#Upgrading%20from%20Ubuntu%209.04
[17:09] <billybigrigger> mphill, ^^^
[17:09] <mphill> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/397498/comments/19
[17:09] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 397498 in dpkg "dpkg 1.15.3.1ubuntu1 fails to install/upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[17:09] <mphill> that worked for me
[17:10] <mphill> i had to remove zero byte files in /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/
[17:10] <mphill> thats a pretty crazy work around
[17:12] <coz_> mphill,  are you talking about removeing those files?
[17:12] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, yeah , it surprised me how well update-manager -d worked yesterday when I upgraded from jaunty on the laptop ...it looks like a version of synaptic , icon etc.
[17:17] <shadeslayer> will kde-devel bring in all packages to compile KDE plasmoids and apps? or should i install more dev binaries? if so which package?
[17:37] <pace_t_zulu> is gconftool broken in karmic?
[17:37] <pace_t_zulu> look at what i'm getting
[17:37] <pace_t_zulu> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/255232/
[17:38] <scizzo-> gconftool-2
[17:38] <pace_t_zulu> scizzo-: is that new?
[17:38] <scizzo-> yes
[17:39] <scizzo-> pace_t_zulu: however pressing tab a couple of times when typing: gconftool should give you results of commands that can be run
[17:39] <scizzo-> pace_t_zulu: its called tab completion
[17:39] <pace_t_zulu> thank you scizzo-
[17:40] <scizzo-> pace_t_zulu: works on bash.....so if you can't find the command just hit tab a few times and the results of the commands in question will come up
[17:40] <scizzo-> pace_t_zulu: works in irssi also when typing a nickname
[17:40] <scizzo-> pace_t_zulu: most things work like that
[17:40] <pace_t_zulu> scizzo-: thank you
[17:42] <scizzo-> np
[17:42] <shadeslayer> whats the package for the extra widgets? like stasks etc... i plasma-widget-addons installed
[17:44] <scizzo-> shadeslayer: kde widgets?
[17:47] <shadeslayer> scizzo-: yep
[18:12] <norpan111> wich version of kde will be installed with "sudo apt-get install kde-desktop" in 9.10 ?
[18:12] <norpan111> I mean right now in alpha
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[18:13] <kaddi> norpan111 should be kde 4.3
[18:13] <billybigrigger> norpan111, $ apt-cache policy kde-desktop
[18:13] <norpan111> Whats that about?
[18:13] <kaddi> and that is the better way
[18:13] <norpan111> Whats the difference?
[18:14] <norpan111> "§ apt-cache policy kde-desktop" ???
[18:14] <kaddi> apt-cache policy <package> will tell you which verison of the package you have installed and which version is available for download
[18:14] <kaddi> just type into a commandline
[18:14] <norpan111> okey
[18:15] <norpan111> Ill do that now!
[18:15] <norpan111> :D
[18:15] <norpan111> thnx
[18:15] <norpan111> let u know how it went..
[18:15] <billybigrigger> btw kde-desktop doesn't exist
[18:15] <norpan111> ok?
[18:15] <norpan111> thats  nice to hear
[18:16] <norpan111> kaddi,  fo real?
[18:16] <norpan111> billybigrigger,  what does exist then?
[18:16] <billybigrigger> i think your looking for kubuntu-desktop
[18:16] <billybigrigger> im not a kde guy
[18:16] <billybigrigger> i don't know :P
[18:16] <norpan111> how did u know kde-desktop did not exist?
[18:16] <billybigrigger> apt-cache search kde-desktop didn't show anything :P
[18:16] <kaddi> hehe
[18:17] <norpan111> ill try
[18:17] <norpan111> ;D
[18:17] <norpan111> for the hell of it
[18:17] <norpan111> sry for bad language
[18:17] <billybigrigger> im pretty sure you want kubuntu-desktop
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[18:17]  * billybigrigger waits for the kde guys to pipe up
[18:17] <norpan111> its the same?
[18:17] <billybigrigger> yeah
[18:17] <kaddi> I'm using kde, but I've never installed through kubuntu-desktop.
[18:18] <norpan111> kaddi,  where then?
[18:18] <norpan111> yeah "could not find kde-desktop"
[18:18] <norpan111> now what
[18:18] <billybigrigger> kaddi, kde from kubuntu install cds? :P
[18:18] <norpan111> kaddi,  u run kde on 9.10 ?
[18:19] <kaddi> billybigrigger exactly and then I happily upgraded with the new releases :p
[18:19] <kaddi> norpan111 yes
[18:19] <norpan111> kaddi,  what should i do then?:P
[18:19] <norpan111> kubuntu-desktop?
[18:19] <kaddi> !kde
[18:19] <ubottu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . See http://kubuntu.org for more information. For more information on KDE 4, see !kde4
[18:20] <norpan111> But hey
[18:20] <kaddi> looks like it, yes. But apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop will not give you the kde version that will be installed. it gives you the version of the kubuntu-desktop package
[18:20] <norpan111> wich is?
[18:20] <norpan111> not 4.3?
[18:21] <kaddi> norpan111 karmic uses kde 4.3
[18:21] <norpan111> kaddi,  im using karmic gnome
[18:22] <norpan111> kaddi,  so from , here how do i get kde 4.3 ?
[18:22] <kaddi> well yes, but if you install kubuntu-desktop it will install the kde environnement on your system
[18:22] <oldude67> good morning all..:D
[18:22] <kaddi> and the default kde environnement for karmic is kde 4.3 afaik
[18:23] <norpan111> kaddi,  so doing kubuntu-desktop gives me 4.3 and all the things i want? :P
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[18:23] <kaddi> it should, also i do not know what all the things you want are. :p
[18:23] <oldude67> well i dont know about all the things you want, it wont give you million dollars ..lol
[18:24] <norpan111> oldude67,   well if i bet a million dollar with a friend i could install kde 4.3 by typing that
[18:24] <norpan111> i could get that
[18:25] <histo> Having some issues with intel 915 and my plasma tv.
[18:25] <histo> Xorg.0.log shows that the TV is reporting the proper modelines. But xrandr doesn't show the 1360x768 availible.
[18:26] <histo> I'm able to get it working specifying the proper modeline with xrandr and it works out of the box with 8.04. Any version after that is causing a ton of issues
[18:27] <norpan111> kaddi,  ill just try kubuntu-desktop?
[18:27] <norpan111> "sudo apt-get cache policy kubuntu-desktop" ???k kaddi ??
[18:30] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop
[18:30] <kaddi> norpan111 did you read the message from ubottu?
[18:31] <norpan111> kaddi,  ubottu is rude :/
[18:31] <kaddi> it knows the answer though :p
[18:31]  * kaddi is gone: dinner
[18:31] <norpan111> kaddi,  oh yes, i just do "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[18:31] <norpan111> no cache policy kaddi
[18:32] <norpan111> ok
[18:33] <norpan111> BluesKaj,  ubottu said i wasnt suppose to do that?
[18:33] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop just tells if the app is installed
[18:33] <norpan111> ooooh...
[18:33] <norpan111> Ẅell if kubuntu is installed i would not have to install it dooh
[18:33] <Pici> BluesKaj: you don't need sudo for that
[18:34] <norpan111> i need sudo for everything Pici
[18:34] <BluesKaj> yeah Pici , I'm aware
[18:34] <Pici> norpan111: Er. You shouldn't.
[18:34] <norpan111> Pici,  but i do, and gdm settings wont work..
[18:34] <norpan111> i can just choose to auto login or not,, small window Pici
[18:34] <norpan111> Wierd
[18:35] <norpan111> And soon as i write password for something that needs root rights.. theme gets wierd
[18:35] <Pici> norpan111: Do you mean if you use gksudo the new application's theme is odd looking?
[18:36] <norpan111> Pici,  havent seen the new theme
[18:36] <norpan111> how does it look?
[18:37] <shadeslayer> new theme for what?
[18:37]  * shadeslayer gets all interested
[18:38] <shadeslayer> apart from my microblogging widget everything is working :P
[18:38] <kaddi> it still wants to get configured? :D
[18:38] <shadeslayer> kaddi: yeah
[18:39] <norpan111> Pici,  and no, i did not mean that way. everything looks like "simple theme" when i write password
[18:39] <TylerR> so every one else has no sound right?
[18:39] <shadeslayer> kaddi: it shows the config button and shows 8 new tweets and everything except for the tweets 0.O
[18:39] <kaddi> shadeslayer nice :D just don't use the widget? j/k
[18:39] <shadeslayer> kaddi: yeah im using choqok
[18:40] <BluesKaj> TylerR, ?
[18:40] <TylerR> BluesKaj: Yea I have no sound (pulse audio isn't working)
[18:41] <BluesKaj> alsa installed
[18:41] <BluesKaj> ?
[18:41] <norpan111> Pici,  like the theme u are using isnt installed right etc.. you know what i mean?
[18:41] <TylerR> yes alsa-vbase
[18:42] <TylerR> alsa-base*
[18:42] <BluesKaj> ok how about alsa-utils ?
[18:42] <TylerR> BluesKaj: yes
[18:43] <BluesKaj> have you configured alsamixer?
[18:43] <TylerR> BluesKaj: on atempting to open gnome-volume -manager I get a "cannot connect to sound server" errot
[18:43] <TylerR> yes
[18:44] <TylerR> i belive all my packages are installed correctly
[18:45] <gnubie> TylerR; have you added your user to the 3 pulse adio groups?
[18:46] <TylerR> yes
[18:46] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio is the soundserver  ..weird my pulseaudio test doesn't work either , it falls back to the soundard driver
[18:46] <BluesKaj> but I still have sound on everything
[18:46] <TylerR> BluesKaj: hold on which groups do i need to be a part of?
[18:47] <TylerR> BluesKaj: I only seem to have one audio group
[18:49] <norpan111> Can font be changed in kde? and window boarders?
[18:49] <BluesKaj> sorry TylerR , I'm on kde so I'm a global user
[18:49] <norpan111> And in that case where
[18:49] <TylerR> humm
[18:49] <TylerR> thanks ill see what I can do
[18:50] <norpan111> anybody?
[18:50] <gnubie> TylerR;  pulse, pulse-access for me
[18:53] <TylerR> BluesKaj: Hey dude I fied it by reinstalling pulseaudio and alsa-base
[18:53] <TylerR> fixed*
[18:53] <kaddi> norpan111 take a look at system settings, you can select fonts for everything as well as a theme for the window boarders
[18:54] <norpan111> kaddi,  every window boarder theme looks like 1994?
[18:54] <kaddi> you can download some more from kde-look.org if you don't want the ones they are proposing or create your own
[18:56] <norpan111> kaddi,  whats the name of window boarders in kde-look ? metacity?
[18:56] <norpan111> and how do i install it :S
[18:56] <giovani> it's kde
[18:56] <kaddi> what?
[18:57] <shadeslayer> norpan111: are you on KDE?
[18:57] <norpan111> yes
[18:57] <giovani> kde-look.org --> section called "window decorations"
[18:57] <shadeslayer> norpan111: ok i have a really good package for you :)
[18:57] <giovani> it's pretty straightforward
[18:57] <norpan111> thanks!
[18:57] <norpan111> shadeslayer,  Wow  :D
[18:57] <norpan111> Thanks!
[18:57] <shadeslayer> !info kwin-style-aurorae
[18:57] <ubottu> kwin-style-aurorae (source: kwin-style-aurorae): Theme engine for KWin window decorations. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 68 kB, installed size 260 kB
[18:57]  * kaddi is going to try that one as well :D
[18:58] <shadeslayer> this is a new package introduced for kwin decorations
[18:58] <shadeslayer> so install : kwin-style-aurorae
[18:58] <shadeslayer> i used to compile this on jaunty ;)
[18:58] <kaddi> hehe, ok.. i see
[18:58] <kaddi> you got a link to the sources then? :p
[18:58] <norpan111> shadeslayer,  so i just do that
[18:59] <shadeslayer> kaddi: theyre on kde look.....under window decorations > aurorae
[18:59] <kaddi> k thx
[18:59] <shadeslayer> norpan111: yes and then go to  K > System settings > Appearence
[18:59] <norpan111> Ait! :D
[19:00] <shadeslayer> norpan111: Windows > Window Decoration Tab > Aurorae Decoration Engine
[19:00] <norpan111> shadeslayer,  i really dont even find apperance
[19:00] <meta_> Hi all
[19:00] <shadeslayer> norpan111: open system settings
[19:00] <norpan111> system or settings
[19:00] <meta_> I have installed karmic now to my eee 1000h to test it
[19:01] <shadeslayer> norpan111: system settings,its in the menu
[19:01] <kaddi> norpan111 open a commandline and type "systemsettings" in it
[19:01] <norpan111> Oh okey
[19:01] <meta_> after an upgrade (about 5minute ago) and a reboot i have no cursor now
[19:01] <norpan111> found it
[19:01] <norpan111> haha
[19:01] <shadeslayer> norpan111: heh
[19:01] <shadeslayer> norpan111: ok now to apperance
[19:01] <meta_> i'm from irssi/cli now, so please help me how to get back my mouse
[19:02] <shadeslayer> norpan111: there? now go to the window link there
[19:03] <norpan111> shadeslayer,  must install it first :P
[19:03] <shadeslayer> norpan111: haha
[19:03] <shadeslayer> norpan111: install kwin-style-aurorae then
[19:03] <norpan111> from kde-looks or terminap
[19:03] <norpan111> terminaö
[19:03] <shadeslayer> norpan111: sudo apt-get install kwin-style-aurorae
[19:03] <shadeslayer> in a terminal
[19:04] <meta_> Anybody can help me about my mouse problem? I just lost my mouse...
[19:04] <scizzo-> meta_: ubuntu or kubuntu?
[19:04] <scizzo-> meta_: is the mouse there at the login screen?
[19:04] <norpan111> shadeslayer,  done!
[19:05] <shadeslayer> norpan111: ok open appearence
[19:05] <meta_> kubuntu
[19:05] <shadeslayer> *appearance
[19:05] <meta_> and yes, the mouse is there
[19:05] <meta_> but it isn't moves
[19:05] <meta_> :)
[19:05] <norpan111> shadeslayer, ok
[19:05] <oldude67> nice window deco shadeslayer
[19:05] <scizzo-> meta_: ok so lets get this straight then....the mouse is there but you can't move it?
[19:06] <shadeslayer> norpan111: select the link which says windows
[19:06] <norpan111> shadeslayer,  that is nice! =)
[19:06] <scizzo-> meta_: so the mouse cursor is not completely gone right?
[19:06] <shadeslayer> oldude67: try glowglass-cupertino
[19:06] <meta_> scizzo-: it's on the center of the login screen
[19:06] <norpan111> shadeslayer,  yeah choose aurorae doceration theme engine
[19:06] <shadeslayer> norpan111: now get new themes
[19:06] <meta_> but it isn't moves as i try to move it...
[19:06] <shadeslayer> norpan111: and download glowglass-cupertino
[19:06] <norpan111> shadeslayer, glowglass
[19:06] <norpan111> ok
[19:07] <shadeslayer> norpan111: glowglass-cupertino
[19:08] <meta_> scizzo-: is it possible that i don't have something like linux-backports-karmic or something like this package?
[19:08] <oldude67> shadeslayer, says couldnt find package
[19:08] <norpan111> sa
[19:08] <norpan111> shadeslayer,  got the package how do i install
[19:08] <scizzo-> meta_: hmmmm.....USB mouse?
[19:08] <meta_> no, otuchpad
[19:08] <meta_> before karmic it was handled by psmouse module
[19:09] <meta_> but it wasn't loaded when i booted, i tried to load it but nothing happened
[19:09] <meta_> neither in the syslog...
[19:09] <meta_> if /var/log/syslog is the correct place where i must see the log
[19:09] <meta_> (i just noitced that there are a new sysklogd stuff in karmic)
[19:09] <shadeslayer> oldude67: kwin-style-aurorae?
[19:10] <scizzo-> meta_: aaa you are using a touchpad....do you have a mouse you can connect to the computer to see if that helps with moving the mouse?
[19:10] <shadeslayer> norpan111: the place where you selected the aurorae theme...theres a get new themes button there...click on it and click install on the theme you want
[19:10] <scizzo-> meta_: it could be the driver in itself that is going wrong
[19:11] <meta_> no i can't atm
[19:11] <norpan111> shadeslayer,  but glowglass isnt there
[19:11] <meta_> it was worked with the previous kernel that comes with the installer
[19:11] <shadeslayer> norpan111: check the most downloaded theme
[19:11] <norpan111> yeah
[19:12] <norpan111> not there shadeslayer
[19:12] <norpan111> slim glow and glowish
[19:12] <shadeslayer> norpan111: where are you?? this does not sound like system settinfs
[19:12] <norpan111> shadeslayer,  right click desktop settings
[19:13] <kaddi> slim glow is a desktop theme iirc
[19:13] <BluesKaj> TylerR, glad to hear that you fixed it  :)
[19:13] <oldude67> shadeslayer, that one is not bad either ill have to remember to check that more often. like how it changes the min,max, and close buttons on boarder.
[19:13] <shadeslayer> norpan111: no no..... go to system settings > appearence
[19:14] <meta_> scizzo-: i try ...31-5 kernel
[19:14] <meta_> bbl
[19:14] <norpan111> shadeslayer,  ok installed
[19:15] <norpan111> shadeslayer,  that looks awesome
[19:15] <meta_> scizzo-: re
[19:15] <norpan111> no i need a theme to match shadeslayer  :P
[19:15] <meta_> How can i get to grub?
[19:16] <meta_> i'm unable to get the grub's menu to select the kernel
[19:16] <meta_> and also i don't found menu.lst
[19:16] <shadeslayer> ok so im off
[19:16] <norpan111> shadeslayer,  wich theme u use ?
[19:16] <shadeslayer> i think they should make aurorae the default kwin theme
[19:16] <shadeslayer> norpan111: glowglass-cupertino
[19:16] <shadeslayer> looks awesome
[19:16] <norpan111> shadeslayer,  but thats just for window decorater
[19:16] <shadeslayer> with the osbidian black colour theme
[19:16] <billybigrigger> meta_, grub2 doesn't have a menu.lst
[19:17] <norpan111> i mean the menu etc
[19:17] <norpan111> ill look
[19:17] <suit> Does anyone use the DeKorator theme engine? I get tiny grey "corners" in every corner of every window no matter which DeKorator theme I use, does anyone have an idea? It's driving me insane!
[19:17] <billybigrigger> !grub2 | meta_
[19:17] <ubottu> meta_: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[19:17] <shadeslayer> norpan111: yeah,use it with : Arezzo / Glassified plasma theme and osbidian black color scheme
[19:17] <norpan111> osbidian?
[19:17] <norpan111> black color scheme
[19:18] <meta_> thx, btw i'm on cli now as i have no mouse...
[19:18] <meta_> billybigrigger: so how can i boot another kernel?
[19:19] <norpan111> shadeslayer,  whats osbidian black color scheme?
[19:19] <billybigrigger> meta_, ?
[19:19] <meta_> or can you tell me where is it's config?
[19:19] <billybigrigger> meta_, do you see it in the grub menu?
[19:19] <meta_> i don't see the grub menu
[19:19] <shadeslayer> norpan111: appearance > color
[19:19] <meta_> i don'T know how to get to the grub menu
[19:20] <norpan111> oh
[19:20] <norpan111> :D
[19:20] <norpan111> ill be back
[19:21] <shadeslayer> and im going before i get caught up again
[19:21] <shadeslayer> bye all
[19:22] <norpan111> yay
[19:22] <norpan111> can somone tell me about the nicest font in kde?
[19:23] <x1250> is anyone using kdenlive? I'm using a very functional ffmpeg, compiled it myself, but almost all render options in kdenlive say: Unsupported video codec: somecodec, but... ffmpeg supports them. Anyone?
[19:23] <kaddi> I use a combination of  opensymbol/dejavu and purisa, but that's a very personal preference :p
[19:26] <BluesKaj> x1250, are you sure that ffmpeg supports them, altho I suspect kdenlive doesn't work as well as adverted ...tried it a while back without much luck
[19:26] <popey> x1250: you sure kdenlive is using _your_ ffmpeg and not another one?
[19:27] <BluesKaj> good point popey , sometimes ffmpeg versions can exist together
[19:31] <BluesKaj> x1250, try: apt-cache policy ffmpeg to which one(s) are installed
[19:31] <BluesKaj> to see
[19:32] <x1250> its working now. It was a bug. Rerunning the config wizard from inside kdenlive fixed the issue.
[19:33] <stefg> !upgrade
[19:33] <ubottu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[19:33] <x1250> that means you have to run the wizard two times. First time, when kdenlive runs for the first time, doesn't really work. Strange issue.
[19:57] <BluesKaj> x1250, good to know , maybe that's why it din't work in my case as well
[20:20] <aboSamoor> the booting process has more flickering than before updating the kernel to rc6
[20:24] <cdE|Woozy> aboSamoor, when does it flicker?
[20:25] <aboSamoor> cdE|Woozy, mainly after gnome login
[20:26] <tanath> does ufw block traffic on loopback?
[20:27] <tanath> google desktop isn't working...
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[21:01] <DanaG> hmm, how would I go about ejecting a specific device, via command-line?
[21:01] <DanaG> http://hal.freedesktop.org/docs/DeviceKit-disks/Device.html
[21:02] <DanaG> here's the dbus commands... but I don't know how to use them.
[21:03] <ripps> DanaG: devkit-disk --umount /dev/sdXX
[21:03] <ripps> *devkit-disks
[21:03] <DanaG> Does by-id work?
[21:04] <ripps> DanaG: probably, It just needs a dev device
[21:04] <ripps> There's also --detach
[21:05] <DanaG> ah, yeah, the turn-off-the-device one is the one I want.
[21:07] <DanaG> Detach failed: Device is not a drive
[21:22] <suit> What's the little letter icon in the task bar right besides the clock for? Never saw it do anything and besides assigning a shortcut I can't seem to configure it further :o
[21:23] <guntbert> suit: that *should* belong to evolution (I think), but as you said...
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[21:25] <suit> guntbert: That would be weird since I got it in Kubuntu which doesn't use evolution by default, I think
[21:26] <kaddi> suit: then it's probably kmail :p
[21:26] <guntbert> suit: so maybe their mail client? you said letter - like an envelope?
[21:26] <suit> Yea, envelope is what I was going for
[21:27] <suit> kaddi: didn't think that far, you're probably right :)
[21:30] <sebsebseb> Trying  Karmic  alpha4 in a vm,   Gnome and  now just installed KDE4 as well,  after a shut down of the vm,  got  the  kubuntu is booting screen like I am meant to,   and  KDM yep,   but when I log into Kubuntu,  it  shows the  background and opens up gnome terminal,  and that's it,   some wierd bug or what?   alpha after all
[21:31] <guntbert> suit: but anyway - at the moment (in my daily) it does nothing
[21:33] <suit> I'll try setting up KMail right now. Will report back.
[21:37]  * billybigrigger cracks a coors
[21:38] <BluesKaj> watery expensive berr
[21:38] <billybigrigger> haha what do you prefer BluesKaj
[21:38] <billybigrigger> they had a good deal on them at the liquor store
[21:38] <BluesKaj> cheap watery beer :)
[21:39] <billybigrigger> 12 tallboys which = 17 beer, and $3 cheaper than a 15pack
[21:43] <suit> Yeah. Doesn't do crap.
[21:53] <suit> Is automounting a ntfs partition broken for anyone else in Karmic?
[21:54] <suit> Gotta do it manually each boot
[22:06] <dupondje> Hi, how can I make Ubuntu doesn't try to mount a partition @ login ? Now I keep getting a message to mount a partition, but I don't want to mount it
[22:09] <kaddi> dupondje: I would look if that partition is listed in fstab and if it is remove it
[22:10] <dupondje> kaddi: its not, its not mounted by fstab, but mounted when U login :s
[22:13] <cdE|Woozy> dupondje, bug #396448
[22:13] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 396448 in gvfs "inconsistent automounting on startup" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/396448
[22:14] <dupondje> weird, I never had this before. But today I replaced my harddisk, and put back a clone of the hdd. And It started giving me this error
[22:15] <cdE|Woozy> I've been getting this message on every login for quite a while now :)
[22:15] <dupondje> well I don't, but just since the clone is back :s
[22:15] <dupondje> thats weird
[22:26] <dupondje> btw, any recommendations for a application to keep finances ?
[22:26] <dupondje> personal finances
[22:30] <sebsebseb> Installing updates sorted out the issue I had
[23:20] <DanaG> yeah, "erased parchment" is unnecessarily alarmist.
[23:20] <DanaG> or rather, a wax tablet.
[23:21] <DanaG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palimpsest
[23:22] <_ronald> I'm using the daily build of kubuntu 9.10 and I would like to know other experiance with it. Here it is still very unstabel (kde)
[23:22] <billybigrigger> DanaG always has the best random typings]
[23:22] <billybigrigger> :) haha
[23:23] <DanaG> Tell that to the people who named gnome-disk-utility.
[23:23] <DanaG> =þ
[23:23] <billybigrigger> i know
[23:23] <billybigrigger> stupid name
[23:23] <billybigrigger> "Disk Utilities" obviously wasn't a good choice
[23:24] <Twigaathy> hm, evince is still broken for me
[23:24] <billybigrigger> Twigaathy, how so
[23:24] <billybigrigger> ...?
[23:24] <Twigaathy> Grey screen when I open any PDF
[23:24] <billybigrigger> my ears just bled
[23:24] <billybigrigger> *any* pdf?
[23:24] <billybigrigger> i've had that problem on a few
[23:24] <Twigaathy> far as I can tell
[23:24] <Twigaathy> they open okay in xpdf
[23:24] <Twigaathy> oh?
[23:24] <billybigrigger> but was just browsing some Snap-On pdfs this afternoon
[23:25] <billybigrigger> 50/50 here
[23:25] <Twigaathy> That's not good
[23:25] <Twigaathy> I'm going to blow away .gnome2/evince and see what happens :)
[23:25] <Twigaathy> nope, no luck
[23:26] <billybigrigger> heh
[23:26] <Twigaathy> Did you open a bug for this yet, or should I go make one? :)
[23:26] <billybigrigger> no i didn't
[23:26] <billybigrigger> i won't lie, i'm embarrassed to admit this in front of the channel, i haven't reported a bug for weeks!!!!
[23:26] <billybigrigger> eeek! haha
[23:26] <Twigaathy> :o
[23:26] <Twigaathy> :O
[23:26] <Twigaathy> :O
[23:27] <billybigrigger> no time
[23:27] <Twigaathy> It's okay, I've not actually run into any bugs to report!
[23:27] <billybigrigger> haha
[23:27] <billybigrigger> i've been pretty stable lately
[23:27] <Twigaathy> me too, I think evince is the first breakage since that gdm fail
[23:27] <billybigrigger> just started working again, and trying to build a linux system from scratch, haven't been playing with my system too much
[23:28] <billybigrigger> i honestly don't think evince is broken here
[23:28] <billybigrigger> i shouldnt have said 50/50
[23:28] <billybigrigger> there was 1 or 2 pdfs i couldnt open in the last month or so
[23:28] <billybigrigger> nothing important i don't think, i dunno i can't remember
[23:28] <Twigaathy> odd
[23:28] <Twigaathy> I just can't open any :)
[23:28] <billybigrigger> post a link to one
[23:28] <billybigrigger> i'll try
[23:28] <Twigaathy> er, sec...
[23:29] <Twigaathy> try http://www.cs.kent.ac.uk/projects/ofa/jcsp/jcsp.pdf
[23:29] <Twigaathy> That greyscreens for me
[23:31] <billybigrigger> all good here
[23:31] <billybigrigger> :)
[23:32] <Twigaathy> grah
[23:32] <Twigaathy> I wonder why it doesn't work for me
[23:32] <billybigrigger> what version
[23:32] <Twigaathy> 2.27.90 (Latest in karmic repos)
[23:32] <billybigrigger> i caught a few evince updates on the mailing list in the last few days
[23:32] <billybigrigger> hmm
[23:32] <billybigrigger> dunno then
[23:32] <ethana2> on my ubuntu dell, karmic just decides not to run any more apps
[23:33] <ethana2> I have swap, too
[23:33] <ethana2> it just.. stops launching anything new
[23:33] <ethana2> until I restart X
[23:33] <ethana2> which I have to do by hitting alt+F2, then   sudo killall Xorg
[23:33] <billybigrigger> try running them in a terminal, looking for the output
[23:33] <ethana2> yeah, I'd love too
[23:33] <ethana2> the terminal is an app
[23:33] <ethana2> when I try to run gnome terminal
[23:33] <ethana2> from a real terminal
[23:33] <ethana2> says it can't...
[23:33] <ethana2> something about the screen
[23:33] <billybigrigger> alt-f2 gnome-terminal
[23:33] <billybigrigger> ?
[23:34] <ethana2> DISPLAY=0:1 gnome-terminal
[23:34] <ethana2> right?
[23:34] <ethana2> yeah, that would fail
[23:34] <billybigrigger> with what error
[23:34] <billybigrigger> ?
[23:34] <ethana2> can't open the screen
[23:34] <ethana2> here I'll try it now
[23:34] <billybigrigger> xserver problems
[23:34] <billybigrigger> ?
[23:34] <DanaG> did you forget DISPLAY=:0 ?
[23:34] <ethana2> Failed to parse arguments, cannot open display
[23:34] <ethana2> ok, now I'll prepend that to the gnome-terminal thing
[23:35] <DanaG> !find couchdb
[23:35] <ubottu> Found: couchdb, libcouchdb-glib-1.0-0, libcouchdb-glib-1.0-1, libcouchdb-glib-dev, python-couchdb
[23:35] <DanaG> what is a couchdb?   a database of furniture?  =þ
[23:35] <ethana2> same error
[23:35] <ethana2> it couldn't care less
[23:35] <ethana2> wait, wait, 0
[23:36] <DopeGhoti> I'm curious- is there anywehre that details the reasoning behind the move from Pidgin to Empathy?
[23:36] <ethana2> ok, tried every possible permutation of that too
[23:37] <kaddi> ethana2: maybe that up ssh-server and wire into the broken machine? (that is if you can fix things long enough to setup ssh)
[23:37] <joaopinto> DopeGhoti, check https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-June/thread.html#8317
[23:38] <DopeGhoti> joaopinto: thanks
[23:41] <Twigaathy> !bug 415632
[23:41] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 415632 in evince "evince fails to open all PDF - grey screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/415632
[23:41] <Twigaathy> ^ I made a bug for it c_c
[23:48] <BUGabundo> hello
[23:48] <BUGabundo> dtchen: are you active?
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[23:52] <danbhfive> what was the package name of the ff plugin that had a custom google page?
[23:52] <DanaG> it's gone now; it was in the Firefox package.
[23:53] <BUGabundo> YAY
[23:53] <BUGabundo> loved the comment asac made about it
[23:53] <BUGabundo> he was really pissed
[23:53] <danbhfive> DanaG: i c, so no released sourced or project?
[23:53] <kaddi> what was so special about that package?
[23:54] <billybigrigger> spyware
[23:54] <billybigrigger> :)
[23:54] <danbhfive> kaddi: it just changed the google page
[23:55] <kaddi> billybigrigger: for linux? :o I've been waiting for it for years :p Which one? :p
[23:55] <BluesKaj> free.google.com ?
[23:55] <DanaG> Anyone else have grub2 offer duplicate entries?
[23:55] <DanaG> My grub offers my Karmic kernels, then Windows Vista, then Jaunty, then Windows Vista, then Jaunty.
[23:55] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: !!!!!!!!!
[23:56] <BluesKaj> hmm, never noticed DanaG , lemme check ..bbiab
[23:56] <DanaG> eh, do it later, not now.
[23:56] <BUGabundo> DanaG: not yet
[23:56] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, how goes it! :)
[23:56] <DanaG> I mean, don't reboot just for that.
[23:56] <kaddi> I totally missed all of that, someone willing to fill me in on the "spyware" issue? Also via PM if this is to OT for the channel
[23:56] <BluesKaj> nope gonna check the default file
[23:56] <DanaG> just google ubuntu multisearch.
[23:56] <DanaG> you'll find blog posts, and such,.
[23:58] <BUGabundo> DanaG: I only run karmic :)
[23:58] <BUGabundo> kaddi: just search LP for multisearch
[23:58] <BUGabundo> can't miss it
[23:58] <mphill> anyone try gnome-shell