| dashua | http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22268/screenshot_004_6qwQoW.png | 04:49 |
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| dashua | I think I have the steppers working good with OOo :) | 04:50 |
| dashua | kwwii, Look ok? | 04:50 |
| mac_v | mat_t: how is adding a new boot [iteration3 ] a trivial edit? no sneaking past me or thorwil ;p | 11:37 |
| mat_t | haha | 11:47 |
| mat_t | sorry - this is a habit | 11:47 |
| * mat_t has done too much wiki editing in the last months | 11:48 | |
| thorwil | lol | 11:50 |
| thorwil | mat_t: so you remain "Currenly" logged in | 11:55 |
| mac_v | thorwil: nice catch ... lmao! | 12:06 |
| mat_t | thorwil: nice :) | 12:07 |
| mat_t | thorwil: about 50 people looked at it (including sabdfl) *many many times*... Quite astonishing :) | 12:08 |
| mac_v | that mistake has been in all the 3 version! and no one noticed! | 12:08 |
| thorwil | mat_t: i first noticed when i created my edit. but wanted to give you the chance to notice yourself :) | 12:09 |
| mac_v | mat_t: it would be more than 50 , counting all the people who have been watching since iteration 1 ! | 12:09 |
| mat_t | thanks thorwil! | 12:15 |
| mac_v | mat_t: actually you should be angry with thorwil for not mentioning earlier ;p | 12:18 |
| * thorwil removes a nice word towards mac_v from the future | 12:20 | |
| mac_v | oh... :( | 12:20 |
| mac_v | mat_t: i tried with different versions of the flash , but it is not possible to do shades and still maintain the same shade for flash for all the % . IMO changing the shades for different % wouldnt look nice | 12:32 |
| mat_t | mac_v: not sure what you're referring to | 13:37 |
| mac_v | mat_t: you said to try gradients for the flash ,[battery notify-osd icons] ^ | 13:48 |
| mac_v | mat_t: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/gradient.svg , http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/notification-battery-060-plugged.svg | 13:55 |
| mat_t | mac_v: ah, yes ? I was out of context there :) | 13:55 |
| mac_v | mat_t: you can compare the two above^ which is better ? , the gradient is the new one , and the second is the one i sent earlier | 13:56 |
| mac_v | do note above the 60% , black from the background will make the flash display properly | 13:57 |
| * mat_t looks | 14:00 | |
| mac_v | rendered png > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/PNG.png | 14:00 |
| mac_v | first version > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/white.png | 14:02 |
| mat_t | mac_v: thanks | 14:03 |
| mac_v | mat_t: which one is better? | 14:03 |
| mat_t | mac_v: gradient is better, I'd also try making the bolt slightly larger | 14:04 |
| mat_t | mac_v: and we're good to go :) | 14:04 |
| mac_v | mat_t: hmm... ok , when do you want the new version? | 14:04 |
| mat_t | mac_v: kwwii's on holidays until next Friday, I guess he'll be implementing it | 14:05 |
| mac_v | mat_t: actually after rendering i agree that the gradient is better :) | 14:06 |
| mat_t | mac_v: :) | 14:06 |
| mat_t | mac_v: good work | 14:06 |
| mac_v | thanx :) | 14:06 |
| mrdoob | hello hello | 14:27 |
| thorwil | welcome mrdoob | 14:30 |
| mrdoob | last time I was here was to complain about 8.04 default wallpaper | 14:31 |
| mrdoob | hehe | 14:31 |
| mrdoob | it was too late tho | 14:31 |
| thorwil | mrdoob: complaining rarely works like that. not just here | 14:32 |
| mrdoob | so the reason why Canonical mockups have a spotlight is because it needs to give a sense of space/depth? | 14:32 |
| thorwil | mrdoob: so far we don't know which came first: spotlight or the quest for depth ;) but maybe mat_t is so kind to tell you | 14:33 |
| mrdoob | thorwil: yeah actually didn't specifically complained, I mainly asked if it the background was official and if it was going to be used on the final | 14:36 |
| mrdoob | thorwil: ok, will wait to hear from mat_t then | 14:36 |
| mac_v | mat_t: me have mrdoob here :) | 14:38 |
| mat_t | hi mrdoob :) | 14:40 |
| mrdoob | hello :) | 14:41 |
| mat_t | mrdoob: first of all, great work on the designs! | 14:42 |
| mrdoob | it's the least I could do | 14:44 |
| mrdoob | I did it because I've been using ubuntu for a long time already and wanted to give something in exchange | 14:44 |
| mrdoob | the problem is that I put too much love on it I guess :P | 14:45 |
| mat_t | mrdoob: we all make that mistake! ;) | 14:45 |
| mat_t | So the quick story of this concept would be rougly that ? Otto (chaotic) came up with the concept that would enable us to add some depth to the design - mostly because we can't do very much with the gdm itself (it's very flat) | 14:48 |
| mrdoob | I see | 14:49 |
| mrdoob | there was basically 2 options when trying to suggest depth | 14:50 |
| mat_t | also, the metaphor of starting up as "lighting" Ubuntu was nice | 14:50 |
| mrdoob | light and shadow | 14:50 |
| mrdoob | light = dark environment | 14:50 |
| mrdoob | shadow = bright environment | 14:50 |
| mrdoob | the dark environment has been picked | 14:50 |
| mrdoob | which in my opinion has a problem | 14:51 |
| mrdoob | ubuntu/linux is "underground" enough | 14:51 |
| mrdoob | that doesn't really benefit from a dark environment | 14:51 |
| mrdoob | apple/microsoft has always focused to brightness | 14:51 |
| mrdoob | even apple is even going to the galaxy, not that the galaxy is bright, but it's the feeling it produces | 14:52 |
| mrdoob | in short | 14:52 |
| mrdoob | right now | 14:52 |
| mrdoob | ubuntu = lit room | 14:52 |
| mrdoob | windows = sky | 14:52 |
| mrdoob | macos = galaxy | 14:52 |
| mat_t | I think that's fine - Ubuntu should feel close and familiar, but still full of opportunities | 14:53 |
| mat_t | the choice of default wallpaper will be very important - it should accentuate the opportunities and freedom | 14:54 |
| mrdoob | ok | 14:58 |
| mrdoob | let me upload something to illustrate my point | 14:58 |
| mat_t | mrdoob: it's quite interesting you thought of a room | 14:59 |
| mrdoob | it's the feeling it gives | 14:59 |
| mat_t | mrdoob: I'd rather say it's more of a stage that's being set | 14:59 |
| mac_v | mat_t: default wallpaper , something abstract resembling an oasis at the end of a desert :) | 15:00 |
| mat_t | mac_v: desert doesn't sound very potent ;) | 15:00 |
| mac_v | mat_t: yeah , i couldnt think of anything else brown ;p | 15:01 |
| mrdoob | ok | 15:01 |
| mac_v | thats y i added the oasis | 15:01 |
| mrdoob | I guess I'm not supposed to show this... but well, faster than hacking up a new one | 15:01 |
| mrdoob | http://mrdoob.com/files/temp/ubuntu_lit.png | 15:01 |
| mrdoob | don't worry about the blue | 15:02 |
| mrdoob | that's pretty similar to the current mockup | 15:02 |
| mrdoob | but the environment is lit | 15:02 |
| mrdoob | it gives much nicer feeling in my opinion | 15:02 |
| mrdoob | more open, and more sexy | 15:02 |
| mat_t | yes it is nice - would be interesting to see how you'd resolve the throbber and gdm window | 15:03 |
| mrdoob | throbber is easy, there is still color spectrum for a lighter element | 15:04 |
| mrdoob | to be honest, it's much more easier to work on a lit environment than the dark environment you're trying to work with | 15:05 |
| mrdoob | gdm won't be much of a problem either | 15:05 |
| mat_t | mrdoob: I think it would be quite tricky to make it feel "ubuntu" without going into good old brown/tan or some kind of dull gray | 15:08 |
| mrdoob | (15:02:00) mrdoob: don't worry about the blue | 15:09 |
| mat_t | but it would be great to see the light variant with all the elements | 15:09 |
| mrdoob | just tint it to brow | 15:09 |
| mat_t | mrdoob: exactly, that's what worries me :) | 15:09 |
| mrdoob | there was a gdm, or even a boot some releases ago that was white/brown if I remember correctly | 15:10 |
| mrdoob | I meant that, from that design, don't worry about the blue tone, is not the point of the design | 15:10 |
| mrdoob | but the feeling it gives | 15:10 |
| mat_t | mrdoob: right, but without a complete design there's not much we can say - I'd say it looks nice, but it doesn't really feel "ubuntu" | 15:11 |
| mac_v | another problem from wiki > " The reason Canonical's mockup (and all of the previous usplash themes) use a black background is because on some video/monitor combinations the usplash image does not fill the entire screen and whatever is not filled shows as black. Microsoft does the same thing in Windows XP and newer (and I had a computer that had this problem with Windows 98, looked really unprofessional). The reason Apple can get away with doin | 15:12 |
| mac_v | g this with OS X is because they control the hardware. Short version: use a black background on your usplash" | 15:12 |
| mat_t | mac_v: right, usplash unfortunately has to stay black | 15:12 |
| mac_v | not sure how xsplash handles the light elements | 15:12 |
| mat_t | mac_v: but that's not a primary reason any more | 15:13 |
| mat_t | xsplash can handle any resolution, so we can use any color we want | 15:13 |
| mac_v | that was amaranth , i just quoted him | 15:13 |
| mrdoob | mat_t: ok, I'll try to do a mockup ... | 15:14 |
| mac_v | wow , thats nice to hear :) so , why not use the light environment? | 15:14 |
| mac_v | mat_t: ^ | 15:14 |
| mat_t | mrdoob: cool! | 15:14 |
| mat_t | mac_v: If you can make it looks super-slick, make it feel "ubuntu" and not brown/tan - be my guest :) | 15:15 |
| mrdoob | mat_t: how does xsplash work? | 15:16 |
| mac_v | hehe , we have mrdoob for that , he'll save Karmic :) | 15:16 |
| mrdoob | I mean, how will treat the design in a 800x600 and in 1920x1200 | 15:16 |
| mat_t | mrdoob: it's just a fullscreen window, with the background, logo and throbber | 15:16 |
| mrdoob | yeah, but does it crop/resize? | 15:16 |
| mat_t | mrdoob: we're working out the scaling issues, it will either scale or pick the most appropriate asset | 15:16 |
| mrdoob | vector/bitmap? | 15:17 |
| mat_t | bitmap | 15:17 |
| mrdoob | ok | 15:17 |
| mrdoob | alright | 15:17 |
| mat_t | the code is very similar to wallpaper scaling/cropping | 15:17 |
| mrdoob | ok, I'll get down to this as soon as I get home then | 15:18 |
| thorwil | mrdoob: try to keep the soft blue. maybe explore very warm green. to then bring in brown tones with the throbber and dialogs | 15:18 |
| mac_v | mrdoob: try the new shade of iteration3 , black-currant , | 15:19 |
| mac_v | :) | 15:19 |
| mac_v | i mean a very light one though | 15:20 |
| mrdoob | http://cdn.cbsi.com.au/story_media/339283110/photos-ubuntu-710_1.jpg | 15:20 |
| mrdoob | people didn't like that one? | 15:20 |
| mrdoob | colour-wise | 15:20 |
| mac_v | mrdoob: <mat_t> If you can make it looks super-slick, make it feel "ubuntu" and not brown/tan - be my guest :) | 15:21 |
| mat_t | mac_v: thanks :) | 15:21 |
| mac_v | so i guess no brown , :) | 15:21 |
| mrdoob | that's what I'am asking | 15:21 |
| mrdoob | what's wrong with brown/tan | 15:21 |
| mrdoob | brand change? | 15:21 |
| mat_t | mrdoob: there's nothing inherently wrong with brown | 15:22 |
| mrdoob | nothing like the feelilng of sand... | 15:24 |
| mrdoob | :) | 15:24 |
| mac_v | mrdoob: people have been asking for a change from brown to something else , i guess its being transitioned slowly | 15:25 |
| mrdoob | ok ok | 15:26 |
| MadsRH | mrdoob -> looking forward to seeing what you'll come up with ;-) | 15:29 |
| mat_t | thorwil: good point about ellipsis | 15:29 |
| mac_v | wow , mat_t only now reading the backlog ? ;p | 15:30 |
| FLOZz | Hello all _o/ | 15:31 |
| * mat_t has *many* emails to read :) | 15:31 | |
| MadsRH | mac_v -> What's in the backlog? I've not been online that long | 15:34 |
| mac_v | MadsRH: thorwil's mail > Login options should not have "...". Menus elsewhere come without. | 15:35 |
| mac_v | not irc log :) | 15:35 |
| mac_v | i was just kidding , he had sent it only 2 hrs ago | 15:36 |
| mrdoob | oh yes, that's another thing, from dael99 comment: "I truly think it should have the release number on the boot" | 15:40 |
| mrdoob | anything wrong by having the release number on the logo? | 15:40 |
| MadsRH | mrdoob -> +1 that would make sense | 15:42 |
| mrdoob | it something that I really miss, everytime I boot ubuntu would be nice to know which ubuntu I'm booting | 15:43 |
| mac_v | -1 ;p it would throw off the balance[words and number would look odd ] , would be unnecessary to look at the number daily | 15:43 |
| mrdoob | it doesn't need to be big and bold | 15:44 |
| mrdoob | just subtle | 15:44 |
| mac_v | even so , for a logo or advert it might be nice , but as a boot it would look Odd , Just my opinion , but mat_t might have some branding reasons | 15:45 |
| MadsRH | mac_v -> I don't agree. Windows had that http://z.about.com/d/pcsupport/1/5/P/0/-/-/xpnew18.jpg | 15:46 |
| mac_v | MadsRH: i used to hate that , PLS dont make me look at such nasty things without warning ;p | 15:46 |
| MadsRH | mac_v -> :-X | 15:47 |
| mrdoob | I don't think windows xp is a nasty boot :S | 15:47 |
| ethana2 | mrdoob: ..what? | 15:47 |
| mac_v | we already know its an XP/vista/ its already labelled but , BTW win7 has dropped it | 15:47 |
| ethana2 | there are two bugs in the dust sand theme | 15:48 |
| ethana2 | I'd like help fixing them myself | 15:48 |
| MadsRH | mac_v -> right, that Win7 boot is work out great for them. The comment I get the most on my mockups is "it looks great, but looks like Win7" :-/ | 15:49 |
| ethana2 | first is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-gdm-themes/+bug/350693 | 15:50 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 350693 in ubuntu-gdm-themes "Dust Sand Theme display error" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:50 |
| mrdoob | mac_v: but windows releases a new version every 2/3 years, and changes the design in each | 15:50 |
| mrdoob | ubuntu can't afford changing the design in every release | 15:50 |
| mac_v | MadsRH: yeah , the orbs , what can we do , we'd be just called copycats :( | 15:50 |
| ethana2 | mrdoob: we should adopt gnome-globalmenu | 15:50 |
| ethana2 | here's a screenshot. | 15:50 |
| ethana2 | uploading... | 15:51 |
| ethana2 | http://i27.tinypic.com/ostjqo.png | 15:51 |
| mrdoob | oh | 15:51 |
| mrdoob | macos | 15:51 |
| ethana2 | no. | 15:52 |
| ethana2 | better. | 15:52 |
| ethana2 | ubuntu. | 15:52 |
| ethana2 | the desktop for human beings | 15:52 |
| mrdoob | :) | 15:52 |
| ethana2 | see the window list at the bottom? | 15:52 |
| mac_v | mrdoob: if you look at the screenshot , it has unnecessary branding 3 times "Microsoft" | 15:52 |
| mac_v | i mean the windows boot^ | 15:52 |
| mrdoob | mac_v: yeah I know, but still, isn't really "nasty" | 15:52 |
| ethana2 | haha, mine has it 17 times | 15:53 |
| mac_v | ;) | 15:53 |
| mrdoob | windows95 was more nasty | 15:53 |
| mrdoob | http://www.stimart.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/windows95.jpg | 15:53 |
| mrdoob | and you can't see all the dithering there | 15:53 |
| mrdoob | lovely shadow on the logo | 15:53 |
| mrdoob | shadow... on top of... the sky | 15:54 |
| ethana2 | heh | 15:54 |
| ethana2 | anybody experienced with editing gtk themes here? | 15:54 |
| ethana2 | I want to fix two issues with dust sand | 15:54 |
| mac_v | ethana2: that would be dashua | 15:55 |
| * ethana2 lies in wait for him | 15:55 | |
| mac_v | ethana2: BTW , whats the issue with dust sand? | 15:56 |
| mrdoob | ethana2: http://mrdoob.com/files/temp/ubuntu_desktop.png | 15:56 |
| mrdoob | that's how my desktop looks | 15:56 |
| mrdoob | notice how I have the top bar without the "Application Places System" thing | 15:57 |
| mrdoob | I don't mind if Ubuntu uses gnome-globalmenu as long as I can re-configure it to look like that ;) | 15:58 |
| mac_v | mrdoob: seems like you use thunderbird , when you are using email clients you shouldnt have a problem with top post | 15:58 |
| mrdoob | mac_v: :) | 15:58 |
| mac_v | AFAIK only yahoo irritates the mailing list ;p | 15:58 |
| mrdoob | I want to avoid mailing lists :P | 15:58 |
| ethana2 | mrdoob: that's how I used to do it | 15:58 |
| mrdoob | too old for that :P | 15:58 |
| ethana2 | and the global menu is, naturally, just another panel applet | 15:59 |
| ethana2 | so you can do what you please | 15:59 |
| ethana2 | in fact, it has its own settings too, it's configurable | 15:59 |
| mrdoob | then it's cool | 16:01 |
| mrdoob | although the screenshot you sent it's messy, it should need a separator bar | 16:01 |
| ethana2 | eh? | 16:05 |
| MadsRH | ethana2 -> or perhaps a separator bar and use another font (remove the bold). It really looks messy! | 16:05 |
| ethana2 | separator bars are noise. | 16:05 |
| ethana2 | death to them. | 16:06 |
| ethana2 | I'm just using dust sand default | 16:06 |
| * ethana2 goes into font settings, nixes the bold | 16:06 | |
| ethana2 | rggh | 16:06 |
| ethana2 | the problem is that it uses window title bar font settings for the menus | 16:06 |
| mrdoob | I like separator bars :) | 16:07 |
| ethana2 | they are worthless | 16:07 |
| ethana2 | one should use whitespace | 16:07 |
| ethana2 | actually, the widget or whatever would be fine, if it was just completely invisible | 16:07 |
| ethana2 | nothing in the panels should be anything but monochrome | 16:07 |
| ethana2 | also, applets should cling to one end or the other | 16:08 |
| ethana2 | none of this manual arranging stuff | 16:08 |
| ethana2 | and the ubuntu logo | 16:08 |
| ethana2 | shouldn't be 6 parts, should be 4 | 16:08 |
| ethana2 | circle, three heads, that's all | 16:08 |
| ethana2 | one color | 16:08 |
| ethana2 | and the motto, I never mention 'linux' | 16:09 |
| ethana2 | I take great care to avoid doing so | 16:09 |
| ethana2 | no one gives a crap what kernel you use, they just want their stuff to work | 16:09 |
| ethana2 | frankly, linux has a bad usability concerning usability, and we're better off just ditching it | 16:09 |
| ethana2 | history/reputation** | 16:09 |
| ethana2 | we've still got a long ways to go to catch up to Apple | 16:10 |
| ethana2 | but they are both innovative and vicious, and doing so will require us to change nearly everything about what we're doing in some way or other | 16:11 |
| ethana2 | nothing can be sacred | 16:11 |
| mrdoob | I think little by little people is starting to see that linux is good | 16:11 |
| mrdoob | I don't think we should "hide" linux | 16:11 |
| ethana2 | linux is a kernel | 16:11 |
| mrdoob | for people | 16:12 |
| ethana2 | gnome is more important | 16:12 |
| ethana2 | gnu is more important | 16:12 |
| mrdoob | lines = something that kind of works and is free | 16:12 |
| ethana2 | apt is pretty important too | 16:12 |
| ethana2 | but no one cares | 16:12 |
| ethana2 | it's just another piece | 16:12 |
| ethana2 | gentoo is linux, android is linux | 16:12 |
| ethana2 | 'linux' tells you nothing | 16:12 |
| mrdoob | well, tell you what kind of software will you be able to run | 16:12 |
| ethana2 | 'kind of works'? | 16:12 |
| mrdoob | more or less | 16:12 |
| ethana2 | not good enough | 16:12 |
| ethana2 | 'very little' | 16:13 |
| mrdoob | you see, recently I bought my parents a new computer | 16:13 |
| ethana2 | *headdesk* | 16:13 |
| mrdoob | my father said that the previous one was "better" | 16:13 |
| mrdoob | both used windows xp | 16:13 |
| mrdoob | the difference is that the previous one had office installed, so was able to see those .ppt files his friends sent him | 16:13 |
| ethana2 | ah | 16:13 |
| mrdoob | that's what people consider when something "works" | 16:14 |
| mrdoob | compatbility | 16:14 |
| natewiebe13 | this is the place for discussing the new gdm.. right? | 16:14 |
| mrdoob | seems like | 16:15 |
| natewiebe13 | i'll take it as a yes.. i think everyone has heard my idea already, i know mr doob has.. about the wallpaper when selecting a user.. | 16:16 |
| natewiebe13 | is it even possible to accomplish? | 16:16 |
| ethana2 | natewiebe13: ? | 16:17 |
| ethana2 | s/possible/practical | 16:18 |
| natewiebe13 | possible | 16:18 |
| natewiebe13 | as in.. with the code | 16:18 |
| natewiebe13 | able to even happen | 16:18 |
| natewiebe13 | what i would like to see as a final product is mr.doob's iteration 3, with (i think it was mac_v) the modified gdm, and the wallpaper fade | 16:19 |
| natewiebe13 | ethana2: its under iteration 2 /Boot/Demo | 16:19 |
| ethana2 | ....? | 16:20 |
| natewiebe13 | ethana2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/255199/ | 16:21 |
| natewiebe13 | from the wiki page | 16:21 |
| natewiebe13 | mac_v: was it you who modified the proposed gdm? (seperated the users) | 16:21 |
| mac_v | natewiebe13: yeah , but that is not feasible as of now , the gdm is not customizable | 16:22 |
| ethana2 | sounds good though | 16:22 |
| natewiebe13 | ethana2: my idea? | 16:22 |
| ethana2 | yes | 16:22 |
| natewiebe13 | my reasons why it would be good are in there, i think | 16:23 |
| natewiebe13 | ethana2: do you think its even possible to do? | 16:23 |
| ethana2 | maybe not with the current code | 16:24 |
| ethana2 | I think we should have the needed code written though | 16:24 |
| ethana2 | I think it should load the default user's wallpaper, if set public | 16:25 |
| ethana2 | the instant the kernel gets control from grub | 16:25 |
| ethana2 | display that blended 50/50 with white and a pulser in the middle | 16:25 |
| mac_v | natewiebe13: the wallpaper changing? when user is selected? | 16:25 |
| ethana2 | then replace the throbber(**) with gdm | 16:25 |
| natewiebe13 | here's what i was thinking about this... | 16:25 |
| ethana2 | then if another user is selected, change the background accordingly | 16:25 |
| ethana2 | then fade out gdm and the white and slide in the panels | 16:26 |
| ethana2 | so you can have the same picture | 16:26 |
| ethana2 | from the instant you get control from grub | 16:26 |
| ethana2 | to your desktop | 16:26 |
| natewiebe13 | what it uses for xsplash as a background is also whats used in gdm (just like the proposed solution), when you select a user, it then fades into their background (if they allow the background to be public). if it cancels, then fades back into the default. and repeats if another user is selected | 16:27 |
| natewiebe13 | im not thinking it would be that difficult to accomplish.. | 16:28 |
| natewiebe13 | but if someone can make this work.. it would be great | 16:29 |
| natewiebe13 | is there anyone on here that is on the official artwork team? | 16:29 |
| natewiebe13 | if not.. anyone know the best way to suggest this to one of the team's members so it has a chance to be a possibility? | 16:31 |
| mac_v | natewiebe13: the design team is here , but to get it *more* visbility , send a mail to the mailing list | 16:33 |
| natewiebe13 | mac_v: alright.. thanks | 16:33 |
| natewiebe13 | mac_v: what do you think about that idea? | 16:34 |
| mac_v | natewiebe13: ideas are nice but they have to be implementable , ;) | 16:35 |
| natewiebe13 | if it is possible.. what do you think of the idea? | 16:35 |
| mac_v | should be cool | 16:35 |
| natewiebe13 | mac_v: im hoping that it will freshen up the login experience a bit, make it new and different. | 16:42 |
| mrdoob | natewiebe13: here it's a suggestion | 16:43 |
| mac_v | natewiebe13: yeah, it would be nice :) | 16:43 |
| mrdoob | create a video that illustrates your idea | 16:43 |
| mrdoob | you'll save the time of trying to make people visualize your idea ;) | 16:44 |
| mac_v | mrdoob: color for the boot , how does lavender sound? | 16:44 |
| mrdoob | too aggresive | 16:44 |
| mrdoob | I think | 16:44 |
| mrdoob | too colorful maybe | 16:45 |
| mrdoob | dark ones are nice tho | 16:45 |
| mrdoob | http://www.whitewitch.ie/natural_perfumers_journal/uploaded_images/lavender-799013.jpg | 16:45 |
| mrdoob | http://images.google.co.uk/images?sourceid=chrome&q=lavender&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi | 16:46 |
| mrdoob | but it's quite a punch in the eye | 16:46 |
| mrdoob | maybe something like this | 16:46 |
| mrdoob | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/44/135966690_d6dcf47e5a.jpg?v=0 | 16:46 |
| natewiebe13 | mrdoob: i still like the monochrome gradient from iteration 1 (i think its iteration 1) | 16:46 |
| mac_v | mrdoob: i was thinking of a very mild shade , Languid lavender / Lavender gray / Light mauve > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavender_%28color%29 | 16:46 |
| natewiebe13 | mrdoob: also, what should i use to make the video, ive never done one before :P | 16:46 |
| natewiebe13 | yeah iteration 1 | 16:47 |
| mrdoob | natewiebe13: I learned Adobe After Effects for doing my animated mockups, seemed a good solution | 16:47 |
| natewiebe13 | okay | 16:48 |
| natewiebe13 | thanks | 16:48 |
| mrdoob | mac_v: yeah that's interesting | 16:49 |
| mrdoob | so I guess we're moving a bit to the blue then | 16:49 |
| natewiebe13 | mrdoob: is it possible to get your boot from iteration 3 | 16:49 |
| natewiebe13 | ? | 16:49 |
| mrdoob | in between red/blue I mean | 16:49 |
| natewiebe13 | without ripping from youtube | 16:49 |
| mac_v | mrdoob: its a bright warn color but retaining the pinkishness would seperate it from blue | 16:50 |
| mrdoob | natewiebe13: send me an email (info@mrdoob.com) and I'll upload the source files for you | 16:50 |
| mrdoob | mac_v: yep | 16:51 |
| mrdoob | natewiebe13: (otherwise I may forgot when I get home :D) | 16:52 |
| natewiebe13 | alright.. emailed | 16:52 |
| natewiebe13 | what format are they in? | 16:53 |
| mrdoob | after effects | 16:53 |
| mrdoob | cs something | 16:53 |
| natewiebe13 | is it possible just to get the boot in avi or mpg? | 16:55 |
| mrdoob | ok | 16:55 |
| natewiebe13 | thatd be awesome | 16:55 |
| mrdoob | I think I had it on h264 mp4 | 16:56 |
| natewiebe13 | okay.. that works too | 16:56 |
| mrdoob | actually, maybe I can download it from youtube | 16:57 |
| natewiebe13 | i'll just try that | 16:57 |
| natewiebe13 | thanks | 16:58 |
| mrdoob | oh, lame | 17:00 |
| natewiebe13 | haha.. it was 209 kb | 17:00 |
| mrdoob | yeah | 17:00 |
| mrdoob | even the one I can download from the user panel is 209kb | 17:00 |
| mrdoob | doh | 17:00 |
| mrdoob | what a feature | 17:00 |
| mrdoob | I'll upload the big one later then | 17:00 |
| natewiebe13 | gotta love file2hd | 17:01 |
| dashua | mac_v, I updated MurrinaDust too with the new scrollbars. I emailed Kido the change to try and get it committed. | 17:08 |
| dashua | To Dust trunk | 17:09 |
| mrdoob | mat_t: if we're moving out of brown, will the official logo (which isn't vertically aligned properly btw) will also move out of oranges/reds? | 17:13 |
| mac_v | dashua: nice... :) | 17:13 |
| mac_v | mrdoob: nooooo.... that is brand logo , thats forbidden ;p | 17:13 |
| mrdoob | right... | 17:14 |
| mrdoob | apple was also coloured at the beginning :P | 17:14 |
| mat_t | mrdoob: nothing changes regarding branding atm | 17:15 |
| mac_v | mrdoob: only canonical decides that internally, and nothing is going to change atleast for a few yrs | 17:15 |
| mrdoob | sure | 17:15 |
| mrdoob | but can be used as plan white/black then | 17:15 |
| mrdoob | ? | 17:15 |
| mat_t | mrdoob: sure it can | 17:16 |
| mrdoob | cool | 17:16 |
| mrdoob | by the moment it gets used like this, you won't see much the colores version ;) | 17:16 |
| mrdoob | *coloured | 17:16 |
| ethana2 | just use a monochrome 'version' of the logo | 17:36 |
| ethana2 | ..until people forget there's a colored version | 17:40 |
| ethana2 | the transition to a unified circle instead of the divided circle, that'd take some more creativity | 17:40 |
| dashua | mac_v, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22319/screenshot_008_1fytaH.png | 17:41 |
| dashua | Better bottom_edge ? | 17:41 |
| mac_v | dashua: so much better :) | 17:42 |
| dashua | Nice :) | 17:42 |
| dashua | Thx | 17:42 |
| mrdoob | ethana2: yeah, I've also thought about that, unify circle makes sense | 17:43 |
| mrdoob | but the heads become a problem | 17:44 |
| mrdoob | if you unify them | 17:44 |
| mrdoob | it would look like mickey mouse or just a tit with three nipples | 17:44 |
| dashua | I will release a 0.3 version and try for a community theme addition | 17:45 |
| mrdoob | (depending how how much you insert the heads) | 17:45 |
| dashua | It's pretty solid so far | 17:45 |
| * mac_v should one day complete his theme too! | 17:46 | |
| mac_v | dashua: i dont like 1 thing though , ;p you removed the app icons from the title bars | 17:47 |
| dashua | Yeah, that was a papercut I was testing over from Human | 17:48 |
| dashua | I can change it back, but the disc looks sort of cool on the dark brown | 17:48 |
| mac_v | dashua: i like what you have done with the disk , but it hampers usability | 17:49 |
| mac_v | especially for me ;p | 17:49 |
| dashua | Ah alright | 17:49 |
| mac_v | dashua: i like the idea ,and had tried it , but it needs to be done properly in metacity itself | 17:50 |
| dashua | Yeah, I'm sure if you can use both | 17:51 |
| dashua | I don't think | 17:51 |
| dashua | not* | 17:51 |
| mac_v | no you cant set both | 17:51 |
| mac_v | dashua: maybe you can use the disk only on hover and for clicks , and for normal state the app icons ? | 17:52 |
| dashua | Yeah, I can try that. That should work. | 17:52 |
| ethana2 | oh | 17:53 |
| ethana2 | you leave the heads separate | 17:53 |
| ethana2 | one circle, three distinct heads | 17:53 |
| ethana2 | I made like 8 logos | 17:53 |
| ethana2 | and looked them over | 17:53 |
| ethana2 | and that's the one that looked best | 17:53 |
| ethana2 | spiral ones looked cool, but.. | 17:53 |
| ethana2 | 'cool' and 'elegant' aren't always the same thing | 17:53 |
| dashua | mac_v, Do you have an image of the new GDM wallpaper alone? | 17:54 |
| mac_v | dashua: which one? there are 3 , BTW you can get it form the wiki ? | 17:55 |
| dashua | Iteration 3, but I just want the background | 17:55 |
| mac_v | dashua: hehe , i cheated , for my gdm , i blocked the ubuntu logo with a user name ;p | 17:56 |
| dashua | Ha, I just want the throbber gone | 17:56 |
| ethana2 | oh, I had an ubuntu throbber idea | 17:57 |
| ethana2 | that should be implementable in very little code with no 3d stuff | 17:57 |
| ethana2 | you have a circle image that's the head things | 17:57 |
| ethana2 | the middle circle scans around once | 17:57 |
| dashua | Oh this will do for testing | 17:57 |
| ethana2 | then dissapears and one circle is up | 17:57 |
| ethana2 | then again, then the second circle | 17:57 |
| ethana2 | again, the third circle | 17:57 |
| ethana2 | again, then the whole thing goes away | 17:58 |
| ethana2 | and you're at gdm | 17:58 |
| ethana2 | there would be some trig | 17:58 |
| ethana2 | but nothing /too/ fancy | 17:58 |
| mrdoob | ethana2: having a circle throbber doesn't work well with the round ubuntu logo on top | 18:09 |
| mrdoob | tried it already | 18:09 |
| mrdoob | descompensates | 18:09 |
| ethana2 | what? | 18:11 |
| ethana2 | mrdoob: ? | 18:11 |
| ethana2 | the way I'm thinking requires a unified circle logo | 18:11 |
| ethana2 | which it should be anyways imo | 18:11 |
| mac_v | mrdoob: check MadsRH submission in think 2 or 3, circle throbber works great | 18:19 |
| mac_v | check out* | 18:19 |
| ethana2 | mac_v: link? | 18:20 |
| mac_v | ethana2: its in the boot submissions page | 18:20 |
| mac_v | ethana2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot#Suggestion%20Two | 18:22 |
| ethana2 | well | 18:25 |
| ethana2 | that's not what I was thinking, but it's cool | 18:26 |
| ethana2 | I should find a way to demonstrate my idea | 18:26 |
| mrdoob | detach the icon from the logo? | 18:27 |
| mrdoob | bye | 18:35 |
| FLOZz | Hello all _o/ | 19:06 |
| natewiebe13 | anyone have the new gdm mockup source files? | 19:29 |
| natewiebe13 | MadsRH: do you have the source for your demo mockups? | 19:30 |
| natewiebe13 | thorwil: do you have the source for your demo mockups? | 19:31 |
| thorwil | natewiebe13: there's a link to the SVG plus bitmaps used in it at the bottom of my submission | 19:32 |
| natewiebe13 | thorwil: thanks.. cant believe i missed that | 19:33 |
| dashua | mac_v, When you get a chance bzr pull hanso and see if that is a start | 19:50 |
| mac_v | dashua: what am i looking for? | 19:56 |
| dashua | Added the menu icon and mouse over | 19:57 |
| dashua | Removed bottom gradient as well | 19:57 |
| dashua | Forget to add that to the message | 19:58 |
| mac_v | dashua: works , we both used the same icon ;), as soon as i told you the idea i tried it too , but how to keep pressed as the icon we assign? it generally dissapears the minute we press it :( | 20:03 |
| dashua | Yeah, need to work that one out =/ | 20:03 |
| dashua | It goes back to the menu_icon_normal when pressed | 20:04 |
| mac_v | dashua: the bottom_edge is getting a jagged finish, why is that?? | 20:04 |
| mac_v | on the R & L sides | 20:04 |
| dashua | Not sure | 20:04 |
| dashua | I have a small screen so i probably didn't see it | 20:05 |
| mac_v | i think it needs to be extended 1 px , on each side , let me check the file | 20:05 |
| dashua | Yeah, it looks like its off a px | 20:06 |
| dashua | Man, pulse is crashing my gnome-settings-daemon too | 20:06 |
| mac_v | pulse is causing a lot of problems! thats my main problem. the settings daemon crash is different from pulse | 20:07 |
| dashua | Yeah, pulse just crashed, lost my sound, then my theme | 20:08 |
| dashua | Default settings took over | 20:08 |
| dashua | Ok, add 1 to right and left edge for a black border | 20:09 |
| dashua | I just have to border the bottom_edge | 20:09 |
| mac_v | dashua: i dont think we can do anything about it :( | 20:09 |
| mac_v | if you add the pixel then the curve shape would be lost | 20:10 |
| dashua | Damn, I'll work tweaking it | 20:10 |
| mac_v | dashua: check out new wave , it has a more sharper curve so it is not so prominent | 20:11 |
| dashua | Ok | 20:11 |
| natewiebe13 | mac_v: here is a crappy video of my idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJIr6TU17B8 | 20:35 |
| mac_v | natewiebe13: nice idea :) , you should post the link to the mailing list , too | 20:43 |
| natewiebe13 | i did.. the video sucks, but i hope it gets my idea across | 20:43 |
| mac_v | natewiebe13: your main idea was very short , while the boot was longer , you should have alloted more time to your idea | 20:45 |
| natewiebe13 | true | 20:45 |
| natewiebe13 | the boot was just a youtube rip from mrdoobs iteration 3 | 20:45 |
| dashua | mac_v, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22332/screenshot_009_oMPzTL.png | 21:39 |
| dashua | Now, that was some work. =/ | 21:39 |
| dashua | http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22336/screenshot_012_Ancjgq.png | 21:47 |
| knome | http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.10%20Karmic/Artwork%20mockups/02.png | 22:23 |
| kwwii | he | 23:42 |
| knome | he? | 23:44 |
| knome | man? | 23:44 |
| kwwii | dashua: nice, classy...sorry for not getting back sooner, I am in Cannes on holiday | 23:45 |
| knome | good night/happy holiday kwwii :) | 23:46 |
| kwwii | I like the the brown colors, very nice | 23:46 |
| kwwii | knome: I have been married to my wife for almost 14 years and she has never seen me this brown, yet where I met here it is very warm and I was nice an brown | 23:47 |
| SiDi | too much sun ? :p | 23:48 |
| kwwii | germany is evil | 23:48 |
| kwwii | SiDi: hehe, no such thing | 23:48 |
| SiDi | hm, im going to go sleep | 23:49 |
| SiDi | knome: dont forget about flying mice please ! :D | 23:49 |
| kwwii | if iat was up to me I would moce here | 23:49 |
| SiDi | moce ? | 23:50 |
| kwwii | flying mice? | 23:50 |
| SiDi | kwwii: see the link knome posted ? I suggested that he adds flying mice around the tree | 23:50 |
| SiDi | but he doesnt want to | 23:50 |
| SiDi | he prefers damn ordinary birds | 23:50 |
| kwwii | lol, I haven't been online for the last week unitl now, basically | 23:51 |
| SiDi | us neither actually | 23:53 |
| SiDi | knome was in london and i was too busy with rl randomness | 23:54 |
| SiDi | i dont know about other members of the internet, didnt ask them yet | 23:54 |
| kwwii | :p | 23:56 |
| kwwii | I imagine that everyone else was just as busy doing nothing like me | 23:57 |
| kwwii | bonne nuit, alle insgesamt | 23:59 |
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