[04:49] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22268/screenshot_004_6qwQoW.png
[04:50] <dashua> I think I have the steppers working good with OOo :)
[04:50] <dashua> kwwii, Look ok?
[11:37] <mac_v> mat_t: how is adding a new boot [iteration3 ] a trivial edit? no sneaking past me or thorwil ;p
[11:47] <mat_t> haha
[11:47] <mat_t> sorry - this is a habit
[11:48]  * mat_t has done too much wiki editing in the last months
[11:50] <thorwil> lol
[11:55] <thorwil> mat_t: so you remain "Currenly" logged in
[12:06] <mac_v> thorwil: nice catch ... lmao!
[12:07] <mat_t> thorwil: nice :)
[12:08] <mat_t> thorwil: about 50 people looked at it (including sabdfl) *many many times*... Quite astonishing :)
[12:08] <mac_v> that mistake has been in all the 3 version! and no one noticed!
[12:09] <thorwil> mat_t: i first noticed when i created my edit. but wanted to give you the chance to notice yourself :)
[12:09] <mac_v> mat_t: it would be more than 50 , counting all the people who have been watching since iteration 1 !
[12:15] <mat_t> thanks thorwil!
[12:18] <mac_v> mat_t: actually you should be angry with thorwil for not mentioning earlier ;p
[12:20]  * thorwil removes a nice word towards mac_v from the future
[12:20] <mac_v> oh... :(
[12:32] <mac_v> mat_t: i tried with different versions of the flash , but it is not possible to do shades and still maintain the same shade for flash for all the % . IMO changing the shades for different % wouldnt look nice
[13:37] <mat_t> mac_v: not sure what you're referring to
[13:48] <mac_v> mat_t: you said to try gradients for the flash ,[battery notify-osd icons] ^
[13:55] <mac_v> mat_t: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/gradient.svg , http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/notification-battery-060-plugged.svg
[13:55] <mat_t> mac_v: ah, yes ? I was out of context there :)
[13:56] <mac_v> mat_t: you can compare the two above^ which is better ? , the gradient is the new one , and the second is the one i sent earlier
[13:57] <mac_v> do note above the 60% , black from the background will make the flash display properly
[14:00]  * mat_t looks
[14:00] <mac_v> rendered png > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/PNG.png
[14:02] <mac_v> first version > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/white.png
[14:03] <mat_t> mac_v: thanks
[14:03] <mac_v> mat_t: which one is better?
[14:04] <mat_t> mac_v: gradient is better, I'd also try making the bolt slightly larger
[14:04] <mat_t> mac_v: and we're good to go :)
[14:04] <mac_v> mat_t: hmm... ok , when do you want the new version?
[14:05] <mat_t> mac_v: kwwii's on holidays until next Friday, I guess he'll be implementing it
[14:06] <mac_v> mat_t: actually after rendering i agree that the gradient is better :)
[14:06] <mat_t> mac_v: :)
[14:06] <mat_t> mac_v: good work
[14:06] <mac_v> thanx :)
[14:27] <mrdoob> hello hello
[14:30] <thorwil> welcome mrdoob
[14:31] <mrdoob> last time I was here was to complain about 8.04 default wallpaper
[14:31] <mrdoob> hehe
[14:31] <mrdoob> it was too late tho
[14:32] <thorwil> mrdoob: complaining rarely works like that. not just here
[14:32] <mrdoob> so the reason why Canonical mockups have a spotlight is because it needs to give a sense of space/depth?
[14:33] <thorwil> mrdoob: so far we don't know which came first: spotlight or the quest for depth ;)  but maybe mat_t is so kind to tell you
[14:36] <mrdoob> thorwil: yeah actually didn't specifically complained, I mainly asked if it the background was official and if it was going to be used on the final
[14:36] <mrdoob> thorwil: ok, will wait to hear from mat_t then
[14:38] <mac_v> mat_t: me have mrdoob here :)
[14:40] <mat_t> hi mrdoob :)
[14:41] <mrdoob> hello :)
[14:42] <mat_t> mrdoob: first of all, great work on the designs!
[14:44] <mrdoob> it's the least I could do
[14:44] <mrdoob> I did it because I've been using ubuntu for a long time already and wanted to give something in exchange
[14:45] <mrdoob> the problem is that I put too much love on it I guess :P
[14:45] <mat_t> mrdoob: we all make that mistake! ;)
[14:48] <mat_t> So the quick story of this concept would be rougly that ? Otto (chaotic) came up with the concept that would enable us to add some depth to the design - mostly because we can't do very much with the gdm itself (it's very flat)
[14:49] <mrdoob> I see
[14:50] <mrdoob> there was basically 2 options when trying to suggest depth
[14:50] <mat_t> also, the metaphor of starting up as "lighting" Ubuntu was nice
[14:50] <mrdoob> light and shadow
[14:50] <mrdoob> light = dark environment
[14:50] <mrdoob> shadow = bright environment
[14:50] <mrdoob> the dark environment has been picked
[14:51] <mrdoob> which in my opinion has a problem
[14:51] <mrdoob> ubuntu/linux is "underground" enough
[14:51] <mrdoob> that doesn't really benefit from a dark environment
[14:51] <mrdoob> apple/microsoft has always focused to brightness
[14:52] <mrdoob> even apple is even going to the galaxy, not that the galaxy is bright, but it's the feeling it produces
[14:52] <mrdoob> in short
[14:52] <mrdoob> right now
[14:52] <mrdoob> ubuntu = lit room
[14:52] <mrdoob> windows = sky
[14:52] <mrdoob> macos = galaxy
[14:53] <mat_t> I think that's fine - Ubuntu should feel close and familiar, but still full of opportunities
[14:54] <mat_t> the choice of default wallpaper will be very important - it should accentuate the opportunities and freedom
[14:58] <mrdoob> ok
[14:58] <mrdoob> let me upload something to illustrate my point
[14:59] <mat_t> mrdoob: it's quite interesting you thought of a room
[14:59] <mrdoob> it's the feeling it gives
[14:59] <mat_t> mrdoob: I'd rather say it's more of a stage that's being set
[15:00] <mac_v> mat_t: default wallpaper , something abstract resembling an oasis at the end of a desert :)
[15:00] <mat_t> mac_v: desert doesn't sound very potent ;)
[15:01] <mac_v> mat_t: yeah , i couldnt think of anything else brown ;p
[15:01] <mrdoob> ok
[15:01] <mac_v> thats y i added the oasis
[15:01] <mrdoob> I guess I'm not supposed to show this... but well, faster than hacking up a new one
[15:01] <mrdoob> http://mrdoob.com/files/temp/ubuntu_lit.png
[15:02] <mrdoob> don't worry about the blue
[15:02] <mrdoob> that's pretty similar to the current mockup
[15:02] <mrdoob> but the environment is lit
[15:02] <mrdoob> it gives much nicer feeling in my opinion
[15:02] <mrdoob> more open, and more sexy
[15:03] <mat_t> yes it is nice - would be interesting to see how you'd resolve the throbber and gdm window
[15:04] <mrdoob> throbber is easy, there is still color spectrum for a lighter element
[15:05] <mrdoob> to be honest, it's much more easier to work on a lit environment than the dark environment you're trying to work with
[15:05] <mrdoob> gdm won't be much of a problem either
[15:08] <mat_t> mrdoob: I think it would be quite tricky to make it feel "ubuntu" without going into good old brown/tan or some kind of dull gray
[15:09] <mrdoob> (15:02:00) mrdoob: don't worry about the blue
[15:09] <mat_t> but it would be great to see the light variant with all the elements
[15:09] <mrdoob> just tint it to brow
[15:09] <mat_t> mrdoob: exactly, that's what worries me :)
[15:10] <mrdoob> there was a gdm, or even a boot some releases ago that was white/brown if I remember correctly
[15:10] <mrdoob> I meant that, from that design, don't worry about the blue tone, is not the point of the design
[15:10] <mrdoob> but the feeling it gives
[15:11] <mat_t> mrdoob: right, but without a complete design there's not much we can say - I'd say it looks nice, but it doesn't really feel "ubuntu"
[15:12] <mac_v> another problem from wiki > " The reason Canonical's mockup (and all of the previous usplash themes) use a black background is because on some video/monitor combinations the usplash image does not fill the entire screen and whatever is not filled shows as black. Microsoft does the same thing in Windows XP and newer (and I had a computer that had this problem with Windows 98, looked really unprofessional). The reason Apple can get away with doin
[15:12] <mac_v> g this with OS X is because they control the hardware. Short version: use a black background on your usplash"
[15:12] <mat_t> mac_v: right, usplash unfortunately has to stay black
[15:12] <mac_v>  not sure how xsplash handles the light elements
[15:13] <mat_t> mac_v: but that's not a primary reason any more
[15:13] <mat_t> xsplash can handle any resolution, so we can use any color we want
[15:13] <mac_v> that was amaranth , i just quoted him
[15:14] <mrdoob> mat_t: ok, I'll try to do a mockup ...
[15:14] <mac_v> wow , thats nice to hear :) so , why not use the light environment?
[15:14] <mac_v> mat_t: ^
[15:14] <mat_t> mrdoob: cool!
[15:15] <mat_t> mac_v: If you can make it looks super-slick, make it feel "ubuntu" and not brown/tan - be my guest :)
[15:16] <mrdoob> mat_t: how does xsplash work?
[15:16] <mac_v> hehe , we have mrdoob for that  , he'll save Karmic :)
[15:16] <mrdoob> I mean, how will treat the design in a 800x600 and in 1920x1200
[15:16] <mat_t> mrdoob: it's just a fullscreen window, with the background, logo and throbber
[15:16] <mrdoob> yeah, but does it crop/resize?
[15:16] <mat_t> mrdoob: we're working out the scaling issues, it will either scale or pick the most appropriate asset
[15:17] <mrdoob> vector/bitmap?
[15:17] <mat_t> bitmap
[15:17] <mrdoob> ok
[15:17] <mrdoob> alright
[15:17] <mat_t> the code is very similar to wallpaper scaling/cropping
[15:18] <mrdoob> ok, I'll get down to this as soon as I get home then
[15:18] <thorwil> mrdoob: try to keep the soft blue. maybe explore very warm green. to then bring in brown tones with the throbber and dialogs
[15:19] <mac_v> mrdoob: try the new shade of iteration3 , black-currant ,
[15:19] <mac_v> :)
[15:20] <mac_v> i mean a very light one though
[15:20] <mrdoob> http://cdn.cbsi.com.au/story_media/339283110/photos-ubuntu-710_1.jpg
[15:20] <mrdoob> people didn't like that one?
[15:20] <mrdoob> colour-wise
[15:21] <mac_v> mrdoob:  <mat_t>  If you can make it looks super-slick, make it feel "ubuntu" and not brown/tan - be my guest :)
[15:21] <mat_t> mac_v: thanks :)
[15:21] <mac_v> so i guess no brown , :)
[15:21] <mrdoob> that's what I'am asking
[15:21] <mrdoob> what's wrong with brown/tan
[15:21] <mrdoob> brand change?
[15:22] <mat_t> mrdoob: there's nothing inherently wrong with brown
[15:24] <mrdoob> nothing like the feelilng of sand...
[15:24] <mrdoob> :)
[15:25] <mac_v> mrdoob: people have been asking for a change from brown to something else , i guess its being transitioned slowly
[15:26] <mrdoob> ok ok
[15:29] <MadsRH> mrdoob -> looking forward to seeing what you'll come up with ;-)
[15:29] <mat_t> thorwil: good point about ellipsis
[15:30] <mac_v> wow , mat_t only now reading the backlog ? ;p
[15:31] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[15:31]  * mat_t has *many* emails to read :)
[15:34] <MadsRH> mac_v -> What's in the backlog? I've not been online that long
[15:35] <mac_v> MadsRH: thorwil's mail > Login options should not have "...". Menus elsewhere come without.
[15:35] <mac_v> not irc log :)
[15:36] <mac_v> i was just kidding , he had sent it only 2 hrs ago
[15:40] <mrdoob> oh yes, that's another thing, from dael99 comment: "I truly think it should have the release number on the boot"
[15:40] <mrdoob> anything wrong by having the release number on the logo?
[15:42] <MadsRH> mrdoob -> +1 that would make sense
[15:43] <mrdoob> it something that I really miss, everytime I boot ubuntu would be nice to know which ubuntu I'm booting
[15:43] <mac_v> -1 ;p it would throw off the balance[words and number would look odd ] , would be unnecessary to look at the number daily
[15:44] <mrdoob> it doesn't need to be big and bold
[15:44] <mrdoob> just subtle
[15:45] <mac_v> even so , for a logo or advert it might be nice , but as a boot it would look Odd , Just my opinion , but mat_t might have some branding reasons
[15:46] <MadsRH> mac_v -> I don't agree. Windows had that http://z.about.com/d/pcsupport/1/5/P/0/-/-/xpnew18.jpg
[15:46] <mac_v> MadsRH: i used to hate that , PLS dont make me look at such nasty things without warning ;p
[15:47] <MadsRH> mac_v -> :-X
[15:47] <mrdoob> I don't think windows xp is a nasty boot :S
[15:47] <ethana2> mrdoob: ..what?
[15:47] <mac_v> we already know its an XP/vista/ its already labelled but , BTW win7 has dropped it
[15:48] <ethana2> there are two bugs in the dust sand theme
[15:48] <ethana2> I'd like help fixing them myself
[15:49] <MadsRH> mac_v -> right, that Win7 boot is work out great for them. The comment I get the most on my mockups is "it looks great, but looks like Win7" :-/
[15:50] <ethana2> first is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-gdm-themes/+bug/350693
[15:50] <mrdoob> mac_v: but windows releases a new version every 2/3 years, and changes the design in each
[15:50] <mrdoob> ubuntu can't afford changing the design in every release
[15:50] <mac_v> MadsRH: yeah , the orbs , what can we do , we'd be just called copycats :(
[15:50] <ethana2> mrdoob: we should adopt gnome-globalmenu
[15:50] <ethana2> here's a screenshot.
[15:51] <ethana2> uploading...
[15:51] <ethana2> http://i27.tinypic.com/ostjqo.png
[15:51] <mrdoob> oh
[15:51] <mrdoob> macos
[15:52] <ethana2> no.
[15:52] <ethana2> better.
[15:52] <ethana2> ubuntu.
[15:52] <ethana2> the desktop for human beings
[15:52] <mrdoob> :)
[15:52] <ethana2> see the window list at the bottom?
[15:52] <mac_v> mrdoob: if you look at the screenshot , it has unnecessary branding 3 times "Microsoft"
[15:52] <mac_v> i mean the windows boot^
[15:52] <mrdoob> mac_v: yeah I know, but still, isn't really "nasty"
[15:53] <ethana2> haha, mine has it 17 times
[15:53] <mac_v> ;)
[15:53] <mrdoob> windows95 was more nasty
[15:53] <mrdoob> http://www.stimart.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/windows95.jpg
[15:53] <mrdoob> and you can't see all the dithering there
[15:53] <mrdoob> lovely shadow on the logo
[15:54] <mrdoob> shadow... on top of... the sky
[15:54] <ethana2> heh
[15:54] <ethana2> anybody experienced with editing gtk themes here?
[15:54] <ethana2> I want to fix two issues with dust sand
[15:55] <mac_v> ethana2: that would be dashua
[15:55]  * ethana2 lies in wait for him
[15:56] <mac_v> ethana2: BTW , whats the issue with dust sand?
[15:56] <mrdoob> ethana2: http://mrdoob.com/files/temp/ubuntu_desktop.png
[15:56] <mrdoob> that's how my desktop looks
[15:57] <mrdoob> notice how I have the top bar without the "Application Places System" thing
[15:58] <mrdoob> I don't mind if Ubuntu uses gnome-globalmenu as long as I can re-configure it to look like that ;)
[15:58] <mac_v> mrdoob: seems like you use thunderbird , when you are using email clients you shouldnt have a problem with top post
[15:58] <mrdoob> mac_v: :)
[15:58] <mac_v> AFAIK only yahoo irritates the mailing list ;p
[15:58] <mrdoob> I want to avoid mailing lists :P
[15:58] <ethana2> mrdoob: that's how I used to do it
[15:58] <mrdoob> too old for that :P
[15:59] <ethana2> and the global menu is, naturally, just another panel applet
[15:59] <ethana2> so you can do what you please
[15:59] <ethana2> in fact, it has its own settings too, it's configurable
[16:01] <mrdoob> then it's cool
[16:01] <mrdoob> although the screenshot you sent it's messy, it should need a separator bar
[16:05] <ethana2> eh?
[16:05] <MadsRH> ethana2 -> or perhaps a separator bar and use another font (remove the bold). It really looks messy!
[16:05] <ethana2> separator bars are noise.
[16:06] <ethana2> death to them.
[16:06] <ethana2> I'm just using dust sand default
[16:06]  * ethana2 goes into font settings, nixes the bold
[16:06] <ethana2> rggh
[16:06] <ethana2> the problem is that it uses window title bar font settings for the menus
[16:07] <mrdoob> I like separator bars :)
[16:07] <ethana2> they are worthless
[16:07] <ethana2> one should use whitespace
[16:07] <ethana2> actually, the widget or whatever would be fine, if it was just completely invisible
[16:07] <ethana2> nothing in the panels should be anything but monochrome
[16:08] <ethana2> also, applets should cling to one end or the other
[16:08] <ethana2> none of this manual arranging stuff
[16:08] <ethana2> and the ubuntu logo
[16:08] <ethana2> shouldn't be 6 parts, should be 4
[16:08] <ethana2> circle, three heads, that's all
[16:08] <ethana2> one color
[16:09] <ethana2> and the motto, I never mention 'linux'
[16:09] <ethana2> I take great care to avoid doing so
[16:09] <ethana2> no one gives a crap what kernel you use, they just want their stuff to work
[16:09] <ethana2> frankly, linux has a bad usability concerning usability, and we're better off just ditching it
[16:09] <ethana2> history/reputation**
[16:10] <ethana2> we've still got a long ways to go to catch up to Apple
[16:11] <ethana2> but they are both innovative and vicious, and doing so will require us to change nearly everything about what we're doing in some way or other
[16:11] <ethana2> nothing can be sacred
[16:11] <mrdoob> I think little by little people is starting to see that linux is good
[16:11] <mrdoob> I don't think we should "hide" linux
[16:11] <ethana2> linux is a kernel
[16:12] <mrdoob> for people
[16:12] <ethana2> gnome is more important
[16:12] <ethana2> gnu is more important
[16:12] <mrdoob> lines = something that kind of works and is free
[16:12] <ethana2> apt is pretty important too
[16:12] <ethana2> but no one cares
[16:12] <ethana2> it's just another piece
[16:12] <ethana2> gentoo is linux, android is linux
[16:12] <ethana2> 'linux' tells you nothing
[16:12] <mrdoob> well, tell you what kind of software will you be able to run
[16:12] <ethana2> 'kind of works'?
[16:12] <mrdoob> more or less
[16:12] <ethana2> not good enough
[16:13] <ethana2> 'very little'
[16:13] <mrdoob> you see, recently I bought my parents a new computer
[16:13] <ethana2> *headdesk*
[16:13] <mrdoob> my father said that the previous one was "better"
[16:13] <mrdoob> both used windows xp
[16:13] <mrdoob> the difference is that the previous one had office installed, so was able to see those .ppt files his friends sent him
[16:13] <ethana2> ah
[16:14] <mrdoob> that's what people consider when something "works"
[16:14] <mrdoob> compatbility
[16:14] <natewiebe13> this is the place for discussing the new gdm.. right?
[16:15] <mrdoob> seems like
[16:16] <natewiebe13> i'll take it as a yes.. i think everyone has heard my idea already, i know mr doob has.. about the wallpaper when selecting a user..
[16:16] <natewiebe13> is it even possible to accomplish?
[16:17] <ethana2> natewiebe13: ?
[16:18] <ethana2> s/possible/practical
[16:18] <natewiebe13> possible
[16:18] <natewiebe13> as in.. with the code
[16:18] <natewiebe13> able to even happen
[16:19] <natewiebe13> what i would like to see as a final product is mr.doob's iteration 3, with (i think it was mac_v) the modified gdm, and the wallpaper fade
[16:19] <natewiebe13> ethana2: its under iteration 2 /Boot/Demo
[16:20] <ethana2> ....?
[16:21] <natewiebe13> ethana2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/255199/
[16:21] <natewiebe13> from the wiki page
[16:21] <natewiebe13> mac_v: was it you who modified the proposed gdm? (seperated the users)
[16:22] <mac_v> natewiebe13: yeah , but that is not feasible as of now , the gdm is not customizable
[16:22] <ethana2> sounds good though
[16:22] <natewiebe13> ethana2: my idea?
[16:22] <ethana2> yes
[16:23] <natewiebe13> my reasons why it would be good are in there, i think
[16:23] <natewiebe13> ethana2: do you think its even possible to do?
[16:24] <ethana2> maybe not with the current code
[16:24] <ethana2> I think we should have the needed code written though
[16:25] <ethana2> I think it should load the default user's wallpaper, if set public
[16:25] <ethana2> the instant the kernel gets control from grub
[16:25] <ethana2> display that blended 50/50 with white and a pulser in the middle
[16:25] <mac_v> natewiebe13: the wallpaper changing? when user is selected?
[16:25] <ethana2> then replace the throbber(**) with gdm
[16:25] <natewiebe13> here's what i was thinking about this...
[16:25] <ethana2> then if another user is selected, change the background accordingly
[16:26] <ethana2> then fade out gdm and the white and slide in the panels
[16:26] <ethana2> so you can have the same picture
[16:26] <ethana2> from the instant you get control from grub
[16:26] <ethana2> to your desktop
[16:27] <natewiebe13> what it uses for xsplash as a background is also whats used in gdm (just like the proposed solution), when you select a user, it then fades into their background (if they allow the background to be public). if it cancels, then fades back into the default. and repeats if another user is selected
[16:28] <natewiebe13> im not thinking it would be that difficult to accomplish..
[16:29] <natewiebe13> but if someone can make this work.. it would be great
[16:29] <natewiebe13> is there anyone on here that is on the official artwork team?
[16:31] <natewiebe13> if not.. anyone know the best way to suggest this to one of the team's members so it has a chance to be a possibility?
[16:33] <mac_v> natewiebe13: the design team is here , but to get it *more* visbility , send a mail to the mailing list
[16:33] <natewiebe13> mac_v: alright.. thanks
[16:34] <natewiebe13> mac_v: what do you think about that idea?
[16:35] <mac_v> natewiebe13: ideas are nice but they have to be implementable , ;)
[16:35] <natewiebe13> if it is possible.. what do you think of the idea?
[16:35] <mac_v> should be cool
[16:42] <natewiebe13> mac_v: im hoping that it will freshen up the login experience a bit, make it new and different.
[16:43] <mrdoob> natewiebe13: here it's a suggestion
[16:43] <mac_v> natewiebe13: yeah, it would be nice :)
[16:43] <mrdoob> create a video that illustrates your idea
[16:44] <mrdoob> you'll save the time of trying to make people visualize your idea ;)
[16:44] <mac_v> mrdoob: color for the boot , how does lavender sound?
[16:44] <mrdoob> too aggresive
[16:44] <mrdoob> I think
[16:45] <mrdoob> too colorful maybe
[16:45] <mrdoob> dark ones are nice tho
[16:45] <mrdoob> http://www.whitewitch.ie/natural_perfumers_journal/uploaded_images/lavender-799013.jpg
[16:46] <mrdoob> http://images.google.co.uk/images?sourceid=chrome&q=lavender&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi
[16:46] <mrdoob> but it's quite a punch in the eye
[16:46] <mrdoob> maybe something like this
[16:46] <mrdoob> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/44/135966690_d6dcf47e5a.jpg?v=0
[16:46] <natewiebe13> mrdoob: i still like the monochrome gradient from iteration 1 (i think its iteration 1)
[16:46] <mac_v> mrdoob: i was thinking of a very mild shade , Languid lavender / Lavender gray / Light mauve > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavender_%28color%29
[16:46] <natewiebe13> mrdoob: also, what should i use to make the video, ive never done one before :P
[16:47] <natewiebe13> yeah iteration 1
[16:47] <mrdoob> natewiebe13: I learned Adobe After Effects for doing my animated mockups, seemed a good solution
[16:48] <natewiebe13> okay
[16:48] <natewiebe13> thanks
[16:49] <mrdoob> mac_v: yeah that's interesting
[16:49] <mrdoob> so I guess we're moving a bit to the blue then
[16:49] <natewiebe13> mrdoob: is it possible to get your boot from iteration 3
[16:49] <natewiebe13> ?
[16:49] <mrdoob> in between red/blue I mean
[16:49] <natewiebe13> without ripping from youtube
[16:50] <mac_v> mrdoob: its a bright warn color but retaining the pinkishness would seperate it from blue
[16:50] <mrdoob> natewiebe13:  send me an email (info@mrdoob.com) and I'll upload the source files for you
[16:51] <mrdoob> mac_v: yep
[16:52] <mrdoob> natewiebe13: (otherwise I may forgot when I get home :D)
[16:52] <natewiebe13> alright.. emailed
[16:53] <natewiebe13> what format are they in?
[16:53] <mrdoob> after effects
[16:53] <mrdoob> cs something
[16:55] <natewiebe13> is it possible just to get the boot in avi or mpg?
[16:55] <mrdoob> ok
[16:55] <natewiebe13> thatd be awesome
[16:56] <mrdoob> I think I had it on h264 mp4
[16:56] <natewiebe13> okay.. that works too
[16:57] <mrdoob> actually, maybe I can download it from youtube
[16:57] <natewiebe13> i'll just try that
[16:58] <natewiebe13> thanks
[17:00] <mrdoob> oh, lame
[17:00] <natewiebe13> haha.. it was 209 kb
[17:00] <mrdoob> yeah
[17:00] <mrdoob> even the one I can download from the user panel is 209kb
[17:00] <mrdoob> doh
[17:00] <mrdoob> what a feature
[17:00] <mrdoob> I'll upload the big one later then
[17:01] <natewiebe13> gotta love file2hd
[17:08] <dashua> mac_v, I updated MurrinaDust too with the new scrollbars.  I emailed Kido the change to try and get it committed.
[17:09] <dashua> To Dust trunk
[17:13] <mrdoob> mat_t: if we're moving out of brown, will the official logo (which isn't vertically aligned properly btw) will also move out of oranges/reds?
[17:13] <mac_v> dashua: nice... :)
[17:13] <mac_v> mrdoob: nooooo.... that is brand logo , thats forbidden ;p
[17:14] <mrdoob> right...
[17:14] <mrdoob> apple was also coloured at the beginning :P
[17:15] <mat_t> mrdoob: nothing changes regarding branding atm
[17:15] <mac_v> mrdoob: only canonical decides that internally, and nothing is going to change atleast for a few yrs
[17:15] <mrdoob> sure
[17:15] <mrdoob> but can be used as plan white/black then
[17:15] <mrdoob> ?
[17:16] <mat_t> mrdoob: sure it can
[17:16] <mrdoob> cool
[17:16] <mrdoob> by the moment it gets used like this, you won't see much the colores version ;)
[17:16] <mrdoob> *coloured
[17:36] <ethana2> just use a monochrome 'version' of the logo
[17:40] <ethana2> ..until people forget there's a colored version
[17:40] <ethana2> the transition to a unified circle instead of the divided circle, that'd take some more creativity
[17:41] <dashua> mac_v, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22319/screenshot_008_1fytaH.png
[17:41] <dashua> Better bottom_edge ?
[17:42] <mac_v> dashua: so much better :)
[17:42] <dashua> Nice :)
[17:42] <dashua> Thx
[17:43] <mrdoob> ethana2: yeah, I've also thought about that, unify circle makes sense
[17:44] <mrdoob> but the heads become a problem
[17:44] <mrdoob> if you unify them
[17:44] <mrdoob> it would look like mickey mouse or just a tit with three nipples
[17:45] <dashua> I will release a 0.3 version and try for a community theme addition
[17:45] <mrdoob> (depending how how much you insert the heads)
[17:45] <dashua> It's pretty solid so far
[17:46]  * mac_v should one day complete his theme too!
[17:47] <mac_v> dashua: i dont like 1 thing though , ;p you removed the app icons from the title bars
[17:48] <dashua> Yeah, that was a papercut I was testing over from Human
[17:48] <dashua> I can change it back, but the disc looks sort of cool on the dark brown
[17:49] <mac_v> dashua: i like what you have done with the disk , but it hampers usability
[17:49] <mac_v> especially for me ;p
[17:49] <dashua> Ah alright
[17:50] <mac_v> dashua: i like the idea ,and had tried it , but it needs to be done properly in metacity itself
[17:51] <dashua> Yeah, I'm sure if you can use both
[17:51] <dashua> I don't think
[17:51] <dashua> not*
[17:51] <mac_v> no you cant set both
[17:52] <mac_v> dashua: maybe you can use the disk only on hover and for clicks , and for normal state the app icons ?
[17:52] <dashua> Yeah, I can try that.  That should work.
[17:53] <ethana2> oh
[17:53] <ethana2> you leave the heads separate
[17:53] <ethana2> one circle, three distinct heads
[17:53] <ethana2> I made like 8 logos
[17:53] <ethana2> and looked them over
[17:53] <ethana2> and that's the one that looked best
[17:53] <ethana2> spiral ones looked cool, but..
[17:53] <ethana2> 'cool' and 'elegant' aren't always the same thing
[17:54] <dashua> mac_v, Do you have an image of the new GDM wallpaper alone?
[17:55] <mac_v> dashua: which one? there are 3 , BTW you can get it form the wiki ?
[17:55] <dashua> Iteration 3, but I  just want the background
[17:56] <mac_v> dashua: hehe , i cheated , for my gdm , i blocked the ubuntu logo with a user name ;p
[17:56] <dashua> Ha, I just want the throbber gone
[17:57] <ethana2> oh, I had an ubuntu throbber idea
[17:57] <ethana2> that should be implementable in very little code with no 3d stuff
[17:57] <ethana2> you have a circle image that's the head things
[17:57] <ethana2> the middle circle scans around once
[17:57] <dashua> Oh this will do for testing
[17:57] <ethana2> then dissapears and one circle is up
[17:57] <ethana2> then again, then the second circle
[17:57] <ethana2> again, the third circle
[17:58] <ethana2> again, then the whole thing goes away
[17:58] <ethana2> and you're at gdm
[17:58] <ethana2> there would be some trig
[17:58] <ethana2> but nothing /too/ fancy
[18:09] <mrdoob> ethana2: having a circle throbber doesn't work well with the round ubuntu logo on top
[18:09] <mrdoob> tried it already
[18:09] <mrdoob> descompensates
[18:11] <ethana2> what?
[18:11] <ethana2> mrdoob: ?
[18:11] <ethana2> the way I'm thinking requires a unified circle logo
[18:11] <ethana2> which it should be anyways imo
[18:19] <mac_v> mrdoob: check MadsRH submission in think 2 or 3, circle throbber works great
[18:19] <mac_v> check out*
[18:20] <ethana2> mac_v: link?
[18:20] <mac_v> ethana2: its in the boot submissions page
[18:22] <mac_v> ethana2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot#Suggestion%20Two
[18:25] <ethana2> well
[18:26] <ethana2> that's not what I was thinking, but it's cool
[18:26] <ethana2> I should find a way to demonstrate my idea
[18:27] <mrdoob> detach the icon from the logo?
[18:35] <mrdoob> bye
[19:06] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[19:29] <natewiebe13> anyone have the new gdm mockup source files?
[19:30] <natewiebe13> MadsRH: do you have the source for your demo mockups?
[19:31] <natewiebe13> thorwil: do you have the source for your demo mockups?
[19:32] <thorwil> natewiebe13: there's a link to the SVG plus bitmaps used in it at the bottom of my submission
[19:33] <natewiebe13> thorwil: thanks.. cant believe i missed that
[19:50] <dashua> mac_v, When you get a chance bzr pull hanso and see if that is a start
[19:56] <mac_v> dashua: what am i looking for?
[19:57] <dashua> Added the menu icon and mouse over
[19:57] <dashua> Removed bottom gradient as well
[19:58] <dashua> Forget to add that to the message
[20:03] <mac_v> dashua: works , we both used the same icon ;), as soon as i told you the idea i tried it too   , but how to keep pressed as the icon we assign? it generally dissapears the minute we press it :(
[20:03] <dashua> Yeah, need to work that one out =/
[20:04] <dashua> It goes back to the menu_icon_normal when pressed
[20:04] <mac_v> dashua: the bottom_edge is getting a jagged finish, why is that??
[20:04] <mac_v> on the R & L sides
[20:04] <dashua> Not sure
[20:05] <dashua> I have a small screen so i probably didn't see it
[20:05] <mac_v> i think it needs to be extended 1 px , on each side , let me check the file
[20:06] <dashua> Yeah, it looks like its off a px
[20:06] <dashua> Man, pulse is crashing my gnome-settings-daemon too
[20:07] <mac_v> pulse is causing a lot of problems! thats my main problem. the settings daemon crash is different from pulse
[20:08] <dashua> Yeah, pulse just crashed, lost my sound, then my theme
[20:08] <dashua> Default settings took over
[20:09] <dashua> Ok, add 1 to right and left edge for a black border
[20:09] <dashua> I just have to border the bottom_edge
[20:09] <mac_v> dashua: i dont think we can do anything about it :(
[20:10] <mac_v> if you add the pixel then the curve shape would be lost
[20:10] <dashua> Damn, I'll work tweaking it
[20:11] <mac_v> dashua: check out new wave , it has a more sharper curve so it is not so prominent
[20:11] <dashua> Ok
[20:35] <natewiebe13> mac_v: here is a crappy video of my idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJIr6TU17B8
[20:43] <mac_v> natewiebe13: nice idea :) , you should post the link to the mailing list , too
[20:43] <natewiebe13> i did.. the video sucks, but i hope it gets my idea across
[20:45] <mac_v> natewiebe13: your main idea was very short , while the boot was longer , you should have alloted more time to your idea
[20:45] <natewiebe13> true
[20:45] <natewiebe13> the boot was just a youtube rip from mrdoobs iteration 3
[21:39] <dashua> mac_v, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22332/screenshot_009_oMPzTL.png
[21:39] <dashua> Now, that was some work. =/
[21:47] <dashua> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/22336/screenshot_012_Ancjgq.png
[22:23] <knome> http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.10%20Karmic/Artwork%20mockups/02.png
[23:42] <kwwii> he
[23:44] <knome> he?
[23:44] <knome> man?
[23:45] <kwwii> dashua: nice, classy...sorry for not getting back sooner, I am in Cannes on holiday
[23:46] <knome> good night/happy holiday kwwii :)
[23:46] <kwwii> I like the the brown colors, very nice
[23:47] <kwwii> knome: I have been married to my wife for almost 14 years and she has never seen me this brown, yet where I met here it is very warm and I was nice an brown
[23:48] <SiDi> too much sun ? :p
[23:48] <kwwii> germany is evil
[23:48] <kwwii> SiDi: hehe, no such thing
[23:49] <SiDi> hm, im going to go sleep
[23:49] <SiDi> knome: dont forget about flying mice please ! :D
[23:49] <kwwii> if iat was up to me I would moce here
[23:50] <SiDi> moce ?
[23:50] <kwwii> flying mice?
[23:50] <SiDi> kwwii: see the link knome posted ? I suggested that he adds flying mice around the tree
[23:50] <SiDi> but he doesnt want to
[23:50] <SiDi> he prefers damn ordinary birds
[23:51] <kwwii> lol, I haven't been online for the last week unitl now, basically
[23:53] <SiDi> us neither actually
[23:54] <SiDi> knome was in london and i was too busy with rl randomness
[23:54] <SiDi> i dont know about other members of the internet, didnt ask them yet
[23:56] <kwwii> :p
[23:57] <kwwii> I imagine that everyone else was just as busy doing nothing like me
[23:59] <kwwii> bonne nuit, alle insgesamt