[07:22] <TheMuso> c
[08:29] <huats> morning everyone
[09:20] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone!
[11:58] <asac> hmm. any clue why alt+f2 does not work for me?
[11:58] <asac> usually i could run commands there ;)
[11:58] <asac> but since karmic its broken somehow
[12:00] <Laney> asac: It's something to do with gnome-panel and transparent backgrounds
[12:01] <asac> transparent backgrounds ? ;)
[12:01]  * Laney shrugs
[12:01] <Laney> there's a bug about it
[12:01] <Laney> if you set it to no background or whatever and restart the panel it works again
[12:02] <chrisccoulson> asac - bug 398826
[12:03] <asac> mine is none ... but maybe it wasnt all the time
[12:03] <Laney> It's a good bug, I like it
[12:03] <chrisccoulson> Laney - it's not a bug, it's a feature ;)
[12:04] <Laney> enforced taste
[12:04] <chrisccoulson> why would anyone want alt+f2 to work with a transparent background? ;)
[12:04] <pochu> why would anyone want a transparent background? :)
[12:05] <asac> i _dont_ have transparent  background here ;)
[12:05] <asac> its not working anyway
[12:06] <pochu> try changing it just in case ;)
[12:06] <asac> pochu: to solid color ;)?
[12:06] <Laney> it breaks with transparent or background image
[12:06] <Laney> only none works
[12:06] <Laney> (I think)
[12:06] <asac> Laney: i have "system theme"
[12:07] <Laney> I'm not on gnome here so can't tell what the optionsa re
[12:07] <asac> oh
[12:07] <asac> i my bottom panel is transparent ;
[12:07]  * asac kills all panels
[12:07] <asac> indeed it works
[12:07] <asac> nice
[12:08] <Laney> fun bug eh
[12:08] <asac> yeah
[12:10] <asac> is it really gnome-panel dealing with that?
[12:12] <chrisccoulson> asac - yes
[12:12] <asac> _GNOME_PANEL_ACTION_RUN_DIALOG
[12:12] <asac> that comes from X?
[12:12] <asac> guess metacity
[12:13] <vuntz> asac: metacity, yes
[12:13] <vuntz> and I have no idea why a transparent panel would make this stop :/
[12:13] <vuntz> likely some stupid bug
[12:14] <asac> yeah. but this isnt taken over by compiz?
[12:15] <asac> hmm compiz-0.8.2/plugins/gnomecompat.c:XInternAtom (d->display, "_GNOME_PANEL_ACTION_RUN_DIALOG", FALSE)
[12:15] <Laney> I don't have any compiz
[12:15] <Laney> metacity compositor though
[13:37] <rickspencer3> hi gang
[13:38] <rickspencer3> vacation = over for rickspencer3 :)
[13:38] <Laney> hihi
[13:38] <Laney> you're in for a quiet week
[13:41] <chrisccoulson> did you have a good vacation rickspencer3?
[13:43] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson: yes
[13:43] <rickspencer3> I even got a nice sunburn
[13:44] <chrisccoulson> where did you get the sun? i havent seen much sun here for a while ;)
[13:46] <rickspencer3> heh
[13:47] <rickspencer3> I went to Bethany Beach Delaware to visit my parents, they live at the beach/shore/seaside
[13:48] <chrisccoulson> cool, so you're nice and refreshed for work now then ;)
[13:48] <rickspencer3> yeah, I think I'll need the refreshment :)
[13:59] <kenvandif> hey rickspencer3
[14:00] <rickspencer3> hi kenvandif
[14:00]  * kenvandine is wading through 2000+ unread emails from being gone just a few days
[14:00] <asac> so how can one disable compiz forever? without touching gconf?
[14:00] <asac> any config file?
[14:01] <kenvandine> remove it :)
[14:02] <asac> kenvandine: nah. i want to just disable it for one run ;)
[14:02] <kenvandine> mv /usr/bin/compiz.real /usr/bin/compiz.real.disabled :)
[14:03] <kenvandine> the wrapper script should not even try if it doesn't exist
[14:05] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, have a good vacation i hope?
[14:05] <rickspencer3> kenvandine: sort of, yes
[14:05] <rickspencer3> the vacation was good, but the timing wasn't so great
[14:06] <Laney> asac: it's in the appearence properties under visual effects
[14:06] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, so you went to delaware?
[14:06]  * kenvandine was in PA, right on the delaware river
[14:06] <rickspencer3> heh
[14:07] <rickspencer3> kenvandine: yes, Bethany Beach, home the righteous sunburn
[14:07] <kenvandine> hehe
[14:08] <kenvandine> so i guess you got fried
[14:09] <rickspencer3> kenvandine: yes, I didn't do my back one day, the sun is so much stronger than in Seattle, I forgot what it can do to you
[14:09]  * rickspencer3 reaches for back scratcher
[14:09] <kenvandine> we did lots of swimming in the river, and it was always shady... which i am always thankful for
[14:12] <asac> Laney: but thats gconf ;)
[14:13] <Laney> oh
[14:13] <Laney> I thought you meant directly manipulating it
[14:18] <rickspencer3> asac: ArneGoetje kenvandine ccheney pedro_ Riddell we'll skip the team meeting today I presume?
[14:18] <asac> yeah
[14:18] <asac> thanks a lot ;)
[14:18] <Riddell> rickspencer3: why's that?
[14:18] <rickspencer3> but activity reports would be quite useful
[14:18] <asac> rickspencer3: we could encourage anyone to add the stuff to wiki though
[14:18] <asac> so we can send out
[14:18] <asac> ack
[14:18] <asac> rickspencer3: can you setup the wiki page for today?
[14:19] <rickspencer3> Riddell: because many of us are on holiday, and I just got back, etc...
[14:19]  * asac looks ... maybe its already there
[14:19] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-08-18
[14:19] <asac> setup
[14:20] <asac> hehe. even the template has a syntax bug ;) see Tony Espy's section
[14:20] <rickspencer3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-08-18
[14:21] <rickspencer3> asac: it's a wiki, you can fix it ;)
[14:21] <asac> i was trying to, but didnt find the template easily ...
[14:21]  * asac checks one more time
[14:22] <asac> we have DesktopTeam/Meeting/Template and DesktopTeam/MeetingTemplate
[14:22] <asac> which one do we want to keep?
[14:22] <rickspencer3> awac, I fixed the template
[14:22] <rickspencer3> but for the record : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/MeetingTemplate
[14:22] <asac> ok. i will delete the other then i guess
[14:23] <asac> done
[14:34] <pedro_> rickspencer3, sure, thats ok for me
[14:35] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, that works for me... i have quite a bit of catch up to do
[15:00] <mvo> woah, dbus restart -> kills gdm - impressive
[15:03] <kenvandine> mvo, not cool!
[15:09] <mclasen> dbus restarts are overrated
[15:09] <mvo> :)
[15:09] <mclasen> gotta get dbus in the kernel to kill that idea off for good...
[16:14] <rodrigo_> Riddell: did you upload evo-couchdb? it seems to not be in the archive yet?
[16:16] <Riddell> rodrigo_: seems I failed to do so, uploaded  now
[16:16] <rodrigo_> Riddell: ok, thanks!
[17:07] <albasheers> hello everyone
[17:08] <albasheers> which is the tom theme for linux
[17:09] <albasheers> which is the best theme for ubuntu 8.10
[17:28] <bryce> morning
[17:28] <rickspencer3> hiya bryce
[17:29] <awe> hey guys!
[17:29] <rickspencer3> no team meeting today
[17:29] <rickspencer3> but please send me your activity report, or add to the wiki
[17:29] <bryce> rickspencer3, ah ok
[17:29] <bryce> hope you had a good vacation, rickspencer3?
[17:29] <awe> +1
[17:30] <rickspencer3> it was good, and I have the sunburn to prove it
[17:30] <tedg> Hey bryce, my FDI file for setting my touchpad settings doesn't seem to work in Karmic.  Is there a new way to do that?
[17:30] <bryce> tedg, should still work the same afaik
[17:31] <bryce> tedg, perhaps tjaalton knows some techniques
[17:31] <tedg> bryce: Okay, I'll poke around and see if I can find something.  Perhaps a string changed somewhere.
[17:31] <bryce> tedg, some stuff can be set via xinput now, so you could try that too
[17:31] <tedg> Hmm, xinput.  That's likely to just get me into trouble :)
[17:34] <mac_v> tedg: what touchpad settings are you looking for?
[17:35] <tedg> mac_v: A few of them: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eted/%2Bjunk/macbook-pro-fdi/annotate/head%3A/10_synaptics_touchpad.fdi
[17:37] <mac_v> tedg: install gpointing-device-settings , most of the options you want can be set using that
[17:39] <mac_v> tedg: or if you want to set it manually, in gconf> /desktop/gnome/peripherals
[17:41] <tedg> Oh, that's evil.  No Gconf schemas...  It just creates the values on the fly.
[17:49] <tedg> Hmm, so I can get scrolling working.  But not tapping.
[17:49] <tedg> Neither right nor left click.
[18:03] <rickspencer3> kenvandine: have we already switched to gnome-scan>
[18:03] <rickspencer3> ?
[18:13] <kenvandine> rickspencer3, no... pitti wanted to wait until he returned
[18:40] <dobey> james_w: around still?
[18:40] <james_w> hi dobey
[18:41] <dobey> james_w: hi, just had a quick question of whether something would be considered a feature or a bug, since feature freeze is next week, and it's something i'd really like to get in u1, but not sure if we have time
[18:42] <dobey> james_w: but right now we don't support proxies fully... would lack of proxy support be a bug, or would adding full support be considered a feature?
[18:42] <james_w> it can be argued either way
[18:43] <james_w> if it's a small change then it sounds like the kind of thing that could get in next month either way you argue it
[18:43] <dobey> right. which is why i wanted to get a more definite answer from ubuntu developers :)
[18:43] <james_w> if not then the sooner the better either way
[18:43] <mac_v> tedg: for the tap to work , you have to activate it from the gconf , there is a bug about that
[18:43] <james_w> I'm not on the release team, so I can't give you an definitive answer, sorry
[18:43] <dobey> i think the change would not exactly be small
[18:44] <dobey> since we have our own protocol built with google protobuf
[18:44] <dobey> and we'd have to change that code
[18:48] <dobey> james_w: thanks :)
[21:25] <andreasn_> asac, is there any PPA:s with Thunderbird Beta3 around?
[21:33] <asac> andreasn_: daily, but not the milestone
[21:35] <andreasn_> asac, ok, thanks
[22:39] <dael99> need somebody to make a review
[22:40] <dael99> watch this and tell me what you think
[22:40] <dael99> wiki.ubuntu.com/Vbar
[22:40] <dael99> VBar
[22:50] <dael99> and the review???
[22:50] <dael99> maybe i'll start bothering someone....
[22:55] <dael99> can i contact here the Visions Team???
[23:19] <dael_99> anyone????????
[23:19] <dael_99> never mind.
[23:19] <dael_99> wiki.ubuntu.com/VBar