=== asac_ is now known as asac === imlad is now known as imlad|away [01:00] #startmeeting [01:00] Meeting started at 19:00. The chair is cprofitt. [01:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [01:00] welcome to the Ubuntu Community Learning Project Meeting [01:00] thanks cprofitt :) [01:00] let me fix up the Agenda real quick [01:01] k [01:01] there we go :) [01:02] [TOPIC] [01:02] [TOPIC] Publicty by pleia2 [01:02] New Topic: Publicty by pleia2 [01:02] so far doctormo and I have blogged about it, which was picked up in UWN \o/ [01:03] have had a lot of traffic in the channel the past few days :) [01:03] that is good... what are we looking for with publicity right now [01:03] so I want to make sure we're all prepared to handle this, but I want to keep the momentum going [01:04] blogging and sharing stuff with loco teams will work the best, I think [01:04] yes... [01:04] any other thoughts? [01:04] How are we coming on course development? [01:05] that's the next topic :) [01:05] we have two started [01:05] [TOPIC] Course Development [01:05] New Topic: Course Development [01:05] so doctormo has been working on his sysadmin stuff [01:05] which two [01:05] Cool. Do you still need help? [01:05] they are all linked here; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/SystemAdminTopics [01:05] sagaci, we actually have some sample courses on the site already too [01:06] sorry I am late [01:06] cprofitt: we need tons of help :) [01:06] more writers, more reviewers are always helpful, more experts [01:06] I agree... [01:06] but doctormo's start on the sysadmin stuff is realy great [01:06] I think a how to moodle would be good =) [01:06] Do we need to take doctormo's stuff and convert to Moodle [01:07] nothing is in moodle yet, so that nede to be taken care of [01:07] bodhi_zazen, have you looked at the how-to I uploaded? [01:07] cprofitt: yeah [01:07] no, but I shall [01:07] the current plan is to use bzr for course development (doctormo posted info on the list on friday) [01:07] and then use moodle for course deployment [01:08] that was one of the first courses I uploaded [01:08] [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-learning/2009-August/000017.html [01:08] LINK received: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-learning/2009-August/000017.html [01:08] will the bzr have moodle course files or some other format? [01:08] bzr can be hard for people to use =) [01:08] for now, other format [01:08] bodhi_zazen: there are some good how-tos on the ubuntu wiki [01:09] yea, I have helped a few people with those [01:09] it's pretty straight forward after a few minutes of trying to figure it out, and you can always view the stuff via the web interface [01:09] it's just committers of material who will need to know how to use it really [01:10] so doctormo is on sysadmin stuff, I've been tasked with beginning the Desktop stuff - which doctormo gave me an outline for [01:10] planning on having this first section done aug 31st [01:10] nice... [01:10] I think those are some big first steps... [01:11] are you guys leveraging any external materials? [01:11] yeah, if you look at the sysadmin page you can see some links already exist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/SystemAdminTopics [01:11] fleshing that out more would be *great* [01:11] and I think that's where we should put our focus [01:11] so the sysadmin topics... [01:12] so when the course writer comes along they just need to reference those materials already linked to write the course [01:12] are each of the bullet points a course? [01:12] loosely [01:12] it is a work in progress [01:12] I envision the courses being able to link back out to these materials too... [01:12] once you get rolling with development you might find out there isn't enough material for each course, or too much [01:12] I like that outline [01:12] no need to 'cut-n-paste' content [01:12] make 'reading' assignments [01:12] I should throw up a similar outline. lol [01:12] yeah [01:13] then IRC, Screen, or other activities for people to apply the reading [01:13] bodhi_zazen: maybe you can continue to develop this one? [01:13] Yea, I can add to some of those topics [01:13] I am working on an intro to Ubuntu [01:13] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/UbuntuDesktopTopics is the one I'm working on now [01:13] how to get an iso, etc [01:13] bodhi_zazen: ok, we'll have to collaborate then :) doctormo gave me that task too [01:14] the differences between desktop and alternate [01:14] I'll get you the log of what we outlined for the first desktop course [01:14] I am planning to pull in pages from the wiki [01:15] LTS versions, how to partition, etc [01:15] I'm putting my desktop work up on bzr and will be editing that wiki page, so we don't duplicate work [01:15] basic stuff we all take for granted yet many windows uses have no clue [01:15] yeah, sounds like we're on the same track ;) [01:15] it does... very sorry I am not able to write courses right now [01:16] I feel like a laggard [01:16] pleia2: should I wait for your wiki page [01:16] bodhi_zazen: can you flesh out the UbuntuDesktopTopics page with links and further outline ideas you have? [01:16] no need to wait, I'm using: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Learning/UbuntuDesktopTopics [01:16] so as long as we both update it with our progress and touch base in IRC, we should be good [01:16] Nice outline plars [01:16] pleia2, [01:16] gah [01:17] sorry for the ping plars [01:17] yea, I will add [01:17] I will try to add some things too... [01:17] I am slowly gaining enough wisdom that I might be able to pass it along [01:18] Where are we going to put topics like VirtualBox, UFW, etc [01:18] UFW => sys admin [01:18] unless we want a security section [01:18] I noticed it was not in sys admin... [01:18] so was curious [01:18] VBox , well we would need a virtualization section, IMO [01:18] Virtualization becomes very complex fast [01:19] so we would need a section beyond those currently on the page? [01:19] NAT, bridged, sharing files, etc [01:19] or would it fit in 'use' [01:19] bodhi_zazen: I just updated the wiki, but this is the log from when doctormo outlined the intro class he teaches: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/08/14/%23ubuntu-learning.html [01:19] also discusses how he goes about course development [01:19] pleia2, I have to say you guys are doing a very good job [01:19] cprofitt: thanks :) it's really all doctormo so far [01:20] well... doctormo deserves a huge thank you [01:20] [AGREED] doctormo deserves a big thank you [01:20] AGREED received: doctormo deserves a big thank you [01:20] absolutely :) [01:20] hehe [01:20] +1 [01:20] any other topics for you bodhi_zazen ? [01:20] That is a long page [01:21] No, was thinking we should clean up the team structure page ;) [01:21] so I think what we want to do is encourage people to add links to the topic pages if they want to pitch in resources-wise, easy way to help out [01:21] I can probably look at that [01:21] [TOPIC] Team Structure page cleanup [01:21] cool [01:21] New Topic: Team Structure page cleanup [01:22] I agree bodhi_zazen I think we need to clean it up and make it be the structure not the discussion [01:22] do you have time to take that on? [01:22] yes [01:22] I would appreciate that ... and I am sure everyone else will as well [01:22] yeah, thanks bodhi_zazen :) [01:22] my crunch time at work is now through end of October [01:23] so my spare time is < 0 [01:23] I think it is a matter of merging my initial comments, with doctormo [01:23] and I it is not clear what is up I will ask =) [01:23] * cprofitt nods [01:23] sounds good! [01:23] [AGREED] bodhi_zazen to clean up structure page [01:23] AGREED received: bodhi_zazen to clean up structure page [01:24] any other topics? [01:25] I'm done [01:25] bodhi_zazen, ? [01:26] not I [01:26] #endmeeting [01:26] Meeting finished at 19:26. [01:26] thanks for coming to the meeting everyone... we can retire to our regular bat cave for informal discussions [01:26] thanks everyone! === lionel_ is now known as lionel === ember_ is now known as ember [11:03] cc meeting? [11:03] fridge calendar says yes, lack of people here says no [11:17] popey: 45 minutes [11:18] seems the timezone of the event in the fridge calendar is wrong [11:19] ta === imlad|away is now known as imlad [12:02] Unfortunately the CC meeting is not going to happen because we can't get quorum, seems like nobody updated the Fridge. Sorry. === fader|away is now known as fader === imlad is now known as imlad|away [14:01] * ogra waits patiently [14:01] * StevenK shores patiently [14:01] * bjf waves [14:05] meeting happening? [14:05] better happen soon or i'm back to bed [14:07] NCommander missing ... [14:09] he will be joining shortly [14:10] twiddle twiddle ... [14:11] * GrueMaster is here. [14:11] orz [14:11] here also === imlad|away is now known as imlad [14:13] Ugh, morning [14:13] #startmeeting [14:13] Meeting started at 08:13. The chair is NCommander. [14:13] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:16] * NCommander pokes StevenK ogra lool GrueMaster plars [14:17] we're here [14:17] hi [14:17] * GrueMaster pokes back. [14:17] ok [14:17] NCommander, poke youself, lets go [14:17] [topic] Action Item Review [14:17] New Topic: Action Item Review [14:17] * StevenK shores [14:17] no agenda link ? [14:18] ogra, I forgot to create a new page [14:18] hmm, k [14:18] * NCommander is not on his A game this week [14:18] so move on [14:18] * GrueMaster mumbles "this week?" [14:18] just bag the meeting [14:18] [topic] NCommander to investigate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc4/+bug/338148 (co) [14:18] New Topic: NCommander to investigate https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vnc4/+bug/338148 (co) [14:18] Ubuntu bug 338148 in vnc4 "Needs new version from Debian: fails to build with removal of mesa-swx11-source" [High,Triaged] [14:18] c/o [14:19] [topic] GrueMaster to retest on i386 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/337809 [14:19] New Topic: GrueMaster to retest on i386 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/337809 [14:19] Ubuntu bug 337809 in linux "APIC error on CPU 0" [Medium,Triaged] [14:19] co [14:19] does that even still occur ? [14:20] Hardware to reproduce is not currently set up. [14:20] [topic] Specification status [14:20] New Topic: Specification status [14:20] [topic] ogra's status [14:20] New Topic: ogra's status [14:20] ?? [14:20] http://people.canonical.com/~lool/mobile-status.html is supposed to be our blueprint status overview of the future, it relies on everyone having the status field in the blueprints up to date ahead of the meeting ... seems lool didnt set up a cronjob to update the page though so we might need to go through that [14:20] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~lool/mobile-status.html is supposed to be our blueprint status overview of the future, it relies on everyone having the status field in the blueprints up to date ahead of the meeting ... seems lool didnt set up a cronjob to update the page though so we might need to go through that [14:20] manually [14:21] i though lool showed that to you at the sprint [14:21] ogra, right, but I thought we were still going to go over status individually regardless [14:21] ogra, we did that last week [14:21] yes, last week was supposed to e the last time, but fine [14:21] Looks like it is updating fine. [14:21] I think the idea was just to see if there was anything currently blocking anyone [14:21] * ogra wonders why he took the effort to updae the statuses [14:22] otherwise, read the status page [14:22] Ok ... [14:22] GrueMaster, it doesnt reflect todays status for any of mine [14:22] anyway [14:22] freescale-desktop: Waiting on manoao replacement (IS) to build functional squashfs images [14:22] yeah, page doesn't seem to be updated :( [14:23] manoao is borked and cant produce uasable squashfes atm, IS is in the process to replace it, they got 10 new boards for buildds and imagebuilders [14:23] until its back we cant roll any images ... [14:23] offline-installer-gui: Trying to find a fix for the missing sched_getaffinity() syscall in qemu-arm-static to make mono packages installable in armel chroots [14:24] oh, and for freescale-desktop: rtg is in the process of renaming the kernel packages as discussed .... [14:24] all from me [14:24] [topic] plars's specifications [14:24] New Topic: plars's specifications [14:25] UNR testing: added some more testcases to checkbox [14:25] going to see about getting them integrated into daily testing in the lab [14:25] cr3 said he needs to make some minor changes but thinks they can do it [14:25] ARM testing, not much progress, need builds, and hardware [14:26] screen size/resolution testsuite: good progress this week [14:26] added support for editboxes and comboboxes and several new tests [14:26] found bugs already with it! [14:26] done [14:26] [topic] dyfet's specifications [14:26] New Topic: dyfet's specifications [14:27] Well...the lxde seed was completed, and in doing so provoked a minor war over what really should be in the seed in the public mailing list :) [14:28] did it settle ? [14:28] Kinda...or should I say, more correctly, a "vigorous discussion"? ;) [14:29] Nobody has offered any actual changes... [14:29] [topic] StevenK's status [14:29] New Topic: StevenK's status [14:29] and his specs :) [14:30] ^spec [14:30] Wubi has had some changes commited that might make it work, I'll be testing tomorrow [14:32] Er, is lool still on holiday before I ask his status? [14:32] yes until tomorrow [14:32] look at your team cal [14:32] I don't have it up at the moment [14:32] Thanks [14:32] [topic] NCommander's specs [14:32] New Topic: NCommander's specs [14:33] mobile-karmic-marvell-desktop: Uh, made quite a bit of progress [14:33] the kernel team is waiting for a design doc [14:33] they need to know what deps the packages need for uboot [14:33] Its going to be standard flash-kernel [14:33] no, surely not [14:33] Ugh, I didn't know they were dep-wait on that === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [14:34] kernel packages are sitting in NEW since 24h [14:34] flash-kernel is used if you flash mtd (or in special cases SD) devices [14:35] does your design require the kernel or initramfs to sit in mtd ? [14:35] (or in a special SD partition thats not accessible) [14:35] ogra, its been used to create and install u-boot packages before. I can dump what I was going to put there into the postinst [14:35] i dont think thats proper [14:36] the kernel can build uboot bompliant uImage itself in the package [14:36] *compliant [14:36] no need for anything special [14:36] I can change gears then, and provide them w/ a postinst, thats pretty easy. [14:36] please document your design somewhere [14:36] ogra, I did, its on the internal wiki [14:36] *before* making up any postinst stuff [14:36] *in your spec* [14:37] thats why you have a spec [14:37] I'll fix that after the end of thi smeeting [14:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/KarmicMarvellDesktop is the spec [14:37] Anyway, I finished my changed to d-cd yesterday and over the weekend. [14:38] please put a detailed design description how the images are laid out in there [14:38] so others can look it up [14:38] ogra, I wrote it, I just put it in the wrong place, I'll move it [14:38] ok [14:38] just that the kernel team knows whats needed for the packaging [14:39] and others know what to expect [14:39] I'll have my bazaar branches posted later today I hope with my changes, and the boot info moved to the public wiki [14:39] will you shepherd the kernel packages through NEW once the naming is correct ? [14:39] ogra, er, I'm not an archive admin ... [14:40] shepherd doesnt mean you review them yourself [14:40] * NCommander is unfamiliar with the term [14:40] have a look at the naming, poke an archive admin [14:40] * ogra sighs [14:40] (only poke an admin if the naming is fine indeed) [14:41] * NCommander nods [14:41] and make sure they go through binary new too after they built [14:41] and test them [14:41] etc [14:41] Alright, no progress on mobile-arm-softbootloader [14:42] [topic] GrueMaster's specs [14:42] New Topic: GrueMaster's specs [14:42] ^status [14:42] LSB Testing continued as normal. No new issues. [14:42] Currently testing Ubuntu Moblin edition (Ubuntu Moblin Remix) for Moblin compliance. Will need to test against Moblin directly to establish a baseline. [14:42] mobile-unr-karmic-applications: [14:42] Work needs to be done by StevenK. Empathy is seeded now so I updated the status. Still need gwibber changes and size reduction changes. [14:42] That is all. [14:42] gwibber is done [14:42] [topic] paulliu's specs [14:42] New Topic: paulliu's specs [14:42] Size reduction, I'm waiting on you. [14:43] resolution: slow progress. But the rest things are easy. I'm putting my efforts to moblin things. [14:43] moblin: drafting. Need someone review the spec. [14:44] Also I need sync/merging from Debian for 2 packages. librest and webkit. [14:44] StevenK: Yes, I know. Will have a list by end of the week. [14:44] That's all. [14:45] Did I get everyone? [14:46] [topic] Any other business [14:46] New Topic: Any other business [14:46] as i mentioned before yesterday 10 new armel buildds arrived [14:46] davidm carried them by hand to the DC :) [14:47] \o/ [14:47] cool. Does that mean we'll have an image soon? [14:47] they will have to be set up by IS [14:47] not sure what the status on that is [14:47] i know lool worked on the images for them so they might wait for him to return from holiday before starting to get his instructions [14:48] given that they will likely use USB disks they will be slower than the current ones though [14:48] which means we need to be even more cautious to not fall behind [14:49] but that should finally enable us to build armv6+vfp [14:49] (which in turn will trigger a full archive rebuild) [14:49] and likely show new build issues in some packages [14:50] so please help out on the FTBFS list if you can :) [14:50] (after the machines are in place) [14:50] thats it from me [14:51] ogra, writeup of my current boot proposal moved to the external wiki [14:51] anyone got anything else? [14:52] guess not [14:52] #endmeeting [14:52] Meeting finished at 08:52. [14:52] * GrueMaster goes back to bed for a few hours. === imlad is now known as imlad|away === imlad|away is now known as imlad [15:59] o/ [15:59] mornings [15:59] hey \o [15:59] good morning [16:00] (afternoon) :) [16:00] good timezone ;-) [16:00] o/ [16:00] * mathiaz waves [16:00] o/ [16:00] let's get the server team meeting started [16:00] hurray [16:01] #startmeeting [16:01] Meeting started at 10:01. The chair is mathiaz. [16:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:01] Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [16:01] last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090811 [16:02] [TOPIC] Asterisk [16:02] New Topic: Asterisk [16:02] what's the state of pwlib? [16:02] o/ [16:02] it seems that pwlib was the last blocker to get asterisk 1.6 in ubuntu [16:02] mathiaz: no change from me here, since last meeting. [16:02] pwlib is ok [16:02] https://launchpad.net/~jmdault/+archive/ppa [16:03] jmdault: so you rebuilt pwlib aswell? [16:03] as in, the one in the archive is not good? [16:03] Daviey: the one in the archive is missing the -dev [16:03] isn't it -develop in the archive? [16:04] jmdault: which package from the ppa should be pushed to karmic? [16:04] mathiaz: the pwlib :) [16:04] mathiaz: all packages =) [16:04] jmdault: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/libpt-1.10.10-develop [16:05] Daviey: it didn't seem to match the BuildRequires [16:05] true. [16:05] jmdault: ok - next step is to ask for sponsorship then [16:05] Debian changed the way the pwlib/libpt package is done [16:05] jmdault: I'd suggest to prioritize the package as this is a long list [16:05] mathiaz: I have 2 core devs at the office [16:05] =) [16:06] jmdault: are all the packages required? [16:06] jmdault: it's my understanding that they want to move as much as possible away from pwlib. [16:06] jmdault: core-dev -> great. [16:06] mathiaz: the most important packages are pwlib and openh323 [16:06] jmdault: so you know how the process works [16:06] mathiaz: as they're the building blocks [16:06] jmdault: ok - so I'd suggest to start by these [16:06] hi [16:06] jmdault: and move down the list by priority order [16:07] jmdault: superb. [16:07] anything else to add on this topic? [16:07] pwlib -> openh323 -> dahdi* -> asterisk* IMP [16:07] IMO* [16:07] Daviey: yes [16:07] mathiaz: there's one thing to add [16:08] mathiaz: Asterisk 1.6 does not support fax as it used to do [16:08] [ACTION] jmdault to ask sponsorship for pwlib -> openh323 -> dahdi* -> asterisk* packages [16:08] ACTION received: jmdault to ask sponsorship for pwlib -> openh323 -> dahdi* -> asterisk* packages [16:08] asterisk-app-fax will need to be removed from the repo [16:08] it's been deprecated since 2007 [16:08] jmdault: are there any plans to replace it upstream? [16:09] openh323 rebuild will require rebuild of other packages, inc Ekiga i believe.. but that is the core devs problem not the server team :) [16:09] mathiaz: Asterisk 1.6 has a bundled fax send and receive function [16:09] jmdault: deprecated -> replaced by something else? [16:09] Digium have a non-free fax app now.. don't they [16:09] ? [16:09] mathiaz: however, the trend is to use iaxmodem + hylafax [16:09] ^^ /me does this.. not the cleanest.. [16:10] also, the asterisk-addons package is not in Debian right now [16:10] only in svn [16:10] so I took the version from svn [16:10] jmdault: so there is a functional equivalent to asterisk-app-fax? [16:10] mathiaz: yes, asterisk 1.6 provides its own app_fax [16:11] jmdault: ok - asterisk-app-fax can be dropped from the archive as there is functional replacement available in karmic [16:11] ok - anything else to add on this topic? [16:11] nope [16:11] great - let's move on then [16:12] [TOPIC] Update Ebox to 1.3 [16:12] New Topic: Update Ebox to 1.3 [16:12] what's the state of ebox 1.3? [16:12] foolano: zul: ^^ [16:12] packages are already in the PPA, and I have also attached the diff to the lp bugs [16:12] its on my plate for this afternoon [16:13] :) [16:13] ok - seems like everything is on track. [16:13]