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| barry | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
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| MootBot | Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is barry. | 15:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:00 |
| barry | welcome to this week's ameu reviewer's meeting. who's here today? | 15:00 |
| BjornT | me | 15:00 |
| EdwinGrubbs | me | 15:00 |
| bac | me | 15:00 |
| barry | deryck sends his apologies | 15:00 |
| salgado | me | 15:01 |
| abentley | me | 15:01 |
| adeuring | me | 15:01 |
| intellectronica | me | 15:01 |
| sinzui | me | 15:02 |
| barry | jtv: ping | 15:02 |
| flacoste | me | 15:02 |
| jtv | me | 15:02 |
| barry | leonardr: ping | 15:02 |
| jtv | barry: thanks :) | 15:02 |
| barry | :) | 15:02 |
| bigjools | me | 15:02 |
| barry | cprov, gary_poster, gmb, noodles775 ping | 15:02 |
| noodles775 | me | 15:03 |
| gary_poster | me, sorry | 15:03 |
| cprov | me | 15:03 |
| leonardr | me | 15:03 |
| gmb | barry: OTP at the moment; apologies are on the schedule. | 15:03 |
| gary_poster | :-) | 15:03 |
| * barry reloads the page | 15:03 | |
| gary_poster | lol | 15:03 |
| barry | gmb: are you sure you committed your draft? :) | 15:03 |
| barry | danilos, allenap, rockstar ping | 15:04 |
| danilos | me | 15:04 |
| allenap | me | 15:04 |
| barry | [TOPIC] agenda | 15:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: agenda | 15:05 |
| barry | * Roll call | 15:05 |
| barry | * Action items | 15:05 |
| barry | * Mentoring update | 15:05 |
| barry | * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda) | 15:05 |
| barry | 15:05 | |
| barry | [TOPIC] action items | 15:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: action items | 15:06 |
| barry | * intellectronica to report on relevant summary of ui reviewers meeting here | 15:06 |
| barry | intellectronica: tell us some good news! | 15:06 |
| intellectronica | i think there has been some kind of misunderstanding | 15:07 |
| intellectronica | there aren't really any ui reviewers meetings | 15:07 |
| barry | intellectronica: ui phone call maybe? | 15:07 |
| intellectronica | i suppose the most interesting thing i can tell you is that martin is planning on beefing up the guidelines and in particular, start collecting case reports for interesting branches that went through ui review | 15:08 |
| intellectronica | so if you're working on a ui branch from either side and think the process was interesting and other can learn from it, consider compiling a case report | 15:08 |
| beuno | yes | 15:09 |
| intellectronica | oh, we should have talked about a million dollars | 15:09 |
| barry | :) | 15:09 |
| barry | beuno: intellectronica was giving us a summary of the ui call | 15:09 |
| barry | <intellectronica> i suppose the most interesting thing i can tell you is that | 15:09 |
| barry | martin is planning on beefing up the guidelines and in | 15:09 |
| barry | particular, start collecting case reports for interesting | 15:09 |
| barry | branches that went through ui review [10:08] | 15:09 |
| barry | <intellectronica> so if you're working on a ui branch from either side and | 15:10 |
| barry | think the process was interesting and other can learn from | 15:10 |
| barry | it, consider compiling a case report | 15:10 |
| barry | 15:10 | |
| barry | intellectronica: thanks; beuno do you have anything you want to add? | 15:10 |
| beuno | well | 15:10 |
| beuno | my goal is for the team to do it's own reviews | 15:10 |
| beuno | and have teh UX team help with the long-term changes | 15:11 |
| beuno | and I'm not sure how to get there, but I'm starting to | 15:11 |
| barry | one other thing we talked about was adding a 'ui' specialty to ReviewerSchedule for people who have graduated from ui mentat | 15:11 |
| beuno | so if anyone has suggestions, ideas, comments, anything, I'd be very grateful | 15:12 |
| beuno | yes, it's on my ToDo | 15:12 |
| barry | beuno: cool, thanks | 15:12 |
| barry | beuno: do you want to join this meeting regularly? i could add 'ui reviewer report' to the agenda | 15:12 |
| beuno | barry, I would like to try, yes | 15:13 |
| * barry will be pingmaster :) | 15:13 | |
| barry | beuno: awesome, thanks. i'll remove intellectronica's action item then | 15:13 |
| barry | anything else on ui reviewing, from anybody? | 15:14 |
| barry | cool, moving on | 15:14 |
| barry | [TOPIC] mentoring update | 15:14 |
| MootBot | New Topic: mentoring update | 15:14 |
| barry | i think i'll remove this topic for now. when wgrant wants to become a reviewer we can add it back | 15:15 |
| intellectronica | aren't we all reviewing now? i think this item can be skipped until some community members start reviewing | 15:15 |
| barry | [TOPIC] peanut gallery | 15:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: peanut gallery | 15:15 |
| barry | intellectronica: yes, we are all reviewers! | 15:15 |
| barry | so, does anybody have anything not on the agenda? | 15:15 |
| intellectronica | yes | 15:16 |
| barry | i guess that's it then! | 15:16 |
| intellectronica | almost :) | 15:16 |
| barry | intellectronica: go4it | 15:17 |
| gary_poster | barry: (I'm not going to be OCR on Wednesday because of team lead duties) | 15:17 |
| gary_poster | 6 mo. :-) | 15:17 |
| intellectronica | a reminder to everyone that python branches with a diff > 800 lines and javascript branches with a diff > 1600 lines are exceptional, and need to have a review sorted in advance. OCRs will often not be able to take them just like that | 15:17 |
| barry | gary_poster: gotcha. EdwinGrubbs will have to carry the west | 15:18 |
| gary_poster | k | 15:18 |
| barry | intellectronica: thanks, and remember as a reviewer you always have a right to kick the branch back | 15:18 |
| barry | anything else today? | 15:19 |
| barry | 5 | 15:19 |
| * cprov feels guilty and hides. | 15:19 | |
| barry | 4 | 15:19 |
| barry | 3 | 15:19 |
| barry | 2 | 15:19 |
| barry | 1 | 15:19 |
| barry | #endmeeting | 15:19 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 09:19. | 15:19 |
| barry | thanks everyone! | 15:19 |
| jtv | thanks barry | 15:20 |
| gary_poster | thanks barry | 15:20 |
| intellectronica | thanks barry | 15:20 |
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| barry | #startmeeting | 23:30 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 17:30. The chair is barry. | 23:30 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 23:30 |
| barry | hello and welcome to this week's asiapac meeting, who's here today? | 23:30 |
| barry | thumper, rockstar ping | 23:31 |
| thumper | hey | 23:31 |
| barry | thumper: hi. i think it's just the three of us today, right? | 23:32 |
| barry | should be a quick meeting i think | 23:32 |
| thumper | yep, although rockstar is out for a walk right now, so maybe just me | 23:32 |
| thumper | did rockstar go to the earlier one? | 23:32 |
| barry | nope, he's joining us now | 23:32 |
| barry | s'okay, we can start (and maybe finish without him :) | 23:33 |
| thumper | ok | 23:33 |
| barry | not much to report from ameu; gary_poster will suspend ocr duties while he fills in for flacoste, who's filling in for kiko | 23:33 |
| * thumper nods | 23:33 | |
| barry | that's really about it. got anything on your mind today? | 23:33 |
| * thumper thinks | 23:34 | |
| thumper | mainly just 3.0 redesign | 23:34 |
| thumper | although... | 23:34 |
| thumper | there was a question earlier by gmb | 23:34 |
| thumper | about "do mechanical 3.0 changes need a ui review" | 23:34 |
| thumper | I was under the impression that mechanical ones don't | 23:34 |
| thumper | new pages/designs do | 23:35 |
| barry | those are up to the reviewer+dev. if they feel it doesn't need another ui review, they're fine | 23:35 |
| thumper | ok | 23:35 |
| thumper | that's it for me | 23:35 |
| wgrant | One thing... | 23:35 |
| wgrant | Not sure where is appropriate, though. | 23:35 |
| thumper | shoot | 23:35 |
| thumper | ask away | 23:36 |
| wgrant | It seems to me that contributors should always get a reviewer from the team that their branch targets, because otherwise the team has no chance to object. | 23:37 |
| wgrant | The dev wiki just says to poke an OCR, but that probably often isn't right. | 23:37 |
| thumper | wgrant: I think it depends on the change | 23:37 |
| barry | wgrant: that should be okayedin a pre-imp call, likely with a team member | 23:37 |
| thumper | wgrant: if it is something trivial, then I'd be happy to OK a bugs or soyuz change | 23:38 |
| barry | we're all /supposed/ to be be able to review anything | 23:38 |
| thumper | but if it is not trivial, or requires more specialised knowledge | 23:38 |
| thumper | I'll pass it on, like I have done | 23:38 |
| rockstar | oops. | 23:38 |
| rockstar | Hi | 23:38 |
| barry | rockstar: hi | 23:38 |
| barry | thumper: yep | 23:38 |
| barry | wgrant: does that make sense? | 23:38 |
| wgrant | barry: It says to do the pre-imp chat with the OCR, but I suppose in most cases they'll just defer to a member of the right team, in which case that's fine. | 23:39 |
| wgrant | It does. | 23:39 |
| barry | wgrant: cool, yep | 23:39 |
| wgrant | Thanks. | 23:39 |
| barry | wgrant: it's great to see you here, and fantastic to see your branches landing. how is the processing going for you? | 23:40 |
| barry | er, process | 23:40 |
| wgrant | barry: Very well, apart from the opacity of PQM and ec2test. | 23:40 |
| barry | wgrant: well, at least we feel your pain there too :) | 23:40 |
| thumper | wgrant: we are wanting to move to LP queues | 23:41 |
| wgrant | The actual review stuff is fine. | 23:41 |
| thumper | wgrant: which will make at least that part more visible | 23:41 |
| wgrant | But after the review, it goes into a black hole and sometimes doesn't appear again. | 23:41 |
| rockstar | And once we're on queues, tarmac. | 23:41 |
| barry | rockstar: ftw | 23:41 |
| thumper | rockstar: maybe ;-) | 23:41 |
| wgrant | There's also the problem of security branches, but I believe you're working that out elsewhere. | 23:41 |
| wgrant | That hit me today. | 23:41 |
| rockstar | thumper, don't toy with my emotions like that... :) | 23:41 |
| thumper | I'm supposed to come up with a plan | 23:41 |
| barry | wgrant: because you can't make private branches? | 23:41 |
| thumper | but I've not had time right now with the 3.0 stuff | 23:42 |
| wgrant | barry: Correct. | 23:42 |
| thumper | we are planning the ability for anyone to be able to have a private branch | 23:42 |
| thumper | to fix security bugs | 23:42 |
| wgrant | barry: I got spm to make it private, but then had to go back to him to get it visible to ~launchpad. | 23:42 |
| thumper | but there are issues about who gets emailed when | 23:42 |
| wgrant | I'm not a member of ~launchpad, so I can't subscribe them to my private branch. | 23:42 |
| barry | thumper: would they have to be tied to security bugs? | 23:42 |
| thumper | barry: possibly | 23:42 |
| thumper | barry: we are lacking some ui ability | 23:42 |
| barry | wgrant: yep, that's losa territory | 23:42 |
| thumper | barry: it may just work, but I'm not convinced, and will have to look at the tests | 23:43 |
| barry | cool. rockstar anything on your mind for today? | 23:43 |
| rockstar | barry, nope, not really. I think the UI review for mechanical changes thing was the only thing. | 23:44 |
| barry | if there's nothing else from thumper, wgrant... | 23:44 |
| wgrant | Is devpad.info going to be public at some point? | 23:44 |
| thumper | nope | 23:44 |
| thumper | buildbot is moving | 23:45 |
| wgrant | It's annoying getting buildbot failures with me in the blamelist, and not being able to actually see what went wrong. | 23:45 |
| wgrant | Ah. | 23:45 |
| thumper | wgrant: lpbuildbot.canonical.com | 23:45 |
| thumper | wgrant: but I'm not sure on the visibility of it | 23:45 |
| rockstar | It should be public. | 23:45 |
| wgrant | thumper: Aha! | 23:46 |
| wgrant | But no, it's not public. | 23:46 |
| barry | i think we're done... | 23:47 |
| barry | #endmeeting | 23:47 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 17:47. | 23:47 |
| thumper | thanks barry | 23:47 |
| barry | thanks everyone | 23:47 |
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