[00:00] <kaddi> I actually one person on #kubuntu yesterday complaining that his google was hijacked.. but somehow "free.google.com" doesn't return much related to the multisearch. I'm reading up now :)
[00:00] <aboSamoor> mphill, yeah, I tried it
[00:01] <mphill> aboSamoor: did it work for you?
[00:02] <aboSamoor> mphill, yeah, it worked but I did not like it
[00:02] <virtuald> i just got a clicking noise from my hard drive :(
[00:02] <mphill> aboSamoor: do you just run gnome-shell?
[00:02] <aboSamoor> mphill, I just followed the instructions available on the project website
[00:02] <aboSamoor> mphill, yeah, i just tried gnome-shell
[00:04] <BluesKaj> DanaG, just some older kernels and recovery and w7 in the menu , no dupes
[00:05] <BluesKaj> had to check the /boot/grub/grub.cfg file for the list
[00:09] <DanaG> ah.
[00:09] <DanaG> I seem to have two different os-prober thingies going on.
[00:09] <DanaG> ### END /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober ###
[00:09] <DanaG> ### BEGIN /etc/grub.d/30_otheros ###
[00:11] <DanaG> odd... the second one is not in the package manager.
[00:12] <aboSamoor> did anyone know what is the window manager that chromium use ?
[00:13] <BluesKaj> window manager ?
[00:14] <aboSamoor> BluesKaj, does chromium use metacity or compiz ?
[00:14] <Twigaathy> you mean the google chrome OS whatsit?
[00:15] <BUGabundo> both are OT for this channel
[00:16] <BluesKaj> chromium is a browser aboSamoor
[00:17] <BluesKaj> the chrome-OS isn't out afaik
[00:17] <BUGabundo> only a few leaked screenshots
[00:19] <BUGabundo> FYI "fta: next !ubuntu daily build of #chromium for x64 will be native, no more ia32-libs craziness (starting with 4.0.203.0)"
[00:20] <aboSamoor> BluesKaj, ok, I meant the browser, I thought it use different window manager other than compiz, because clicking on the title bar gives different options,
[00:21] <BluesKaj> aboSamoor,browsers don't use window managers in the same sense as apps do , but they can be affected by themes etc
[00:21] <DanaG> hmm, any idea when/where we can get the new pidgin easily (already packaged)?
[00:22] <aboSamoor> BluesKaj, I was just thinking how much useful to implement a file manger using chrome browser !
[00:22] <kaddi> o.o
[00:23] <DanaG> Usage: add-apt-repository [options]                              Options:  -h, --help  show this help message and exit
[00:23] <DanaG> wow, how useful.
[00:23] <BUGabundo> DanaG: archive and ppa!?
[00:25] <DanaG> ah, you can specify ppa:name but not release.
[00:26] <BUGabundo> right
[00:26] <BUGabundo> its expected to match yours
[00:26] <BUGabundo> no idea what it does when it doesn't exist on the PPA
[00:27] <DanaG> Silently goes on, and then lets you get 404 on apt update.
[01:23] <Tarkers> Hello, I'm looking for a little help with my sound in Karmic
[01:24] <Tarkers> Anyone around to answer some questions?
[01:30] <Tarkers> Looking for help with soundcards, anyone around?
[01:58] <duncan> anyone know how Kubuntu 9.10 is shaping up?
[02:02] <arand> duncan: perfekt?
[02:02] <arand> ;)
[02:03] <kavurt> has anybody tried compiz on kubuntu karmic? can you refer me a link for instructions?
[02:04] <duncan> arand, :) is it better off than older Ubuntu versions?  as I remember in the past KDE implementation in Ubuntu was quite bad
[02:04] <dotblank> kavurt, should work like normal. no?
[02:04] <kavurt> no it doesn't
[02:04] <dotblank> well hmm im not a kubuntu  guy so I wouldnt know
[02:05] <scizzo-> there are issues with compiz and ubuntu now
[02:06] <BluesKaj> kavurt, compiz runs fine on my setup..of course itdepends on your hardware etc
[02:07] <kavurt> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion I followed the instructions in this link. I installed packages. when I say compiz --replace, the title bars disappear
[02:08] <kavurt> BluesKaj: can you check the link I gave? Is it what you did?
[02:11] <kavurt> !compiz
[02:11] <BluesKaj> kavurt a long time ago , yes ..and i've upgraded since
[02:23] <EagleScreen> anyone using Ubuntu here? please tell me if folder '/usr/lib/python' exist in karmic
[02:23] <BluesKaj> kavurt, I prefer to use the compixz fusion gui icon , it has more options
[02:25] <scizzo-> EagleScreen: it is there
[02:25] <scizzo-> EagleScreen: nothing in it for me though
[02:28] <EagleScreen> scizzo-: can you check if it is a link to other folder?
[02:30] <scizzo-> EagleScreen: nope its only a dir
[02:59] <Jimmio> Yay! The koala is kicking major butt so far. Pulse crashed once, and one other thing is an annoyance, asking for password to mount system partitions, but otherwise it seems smooth. Is it safe to use as my main OS?
[03:03] <EagleScreen> the anser is no
[03:06] <Pici> Thats one of those 'if you have to ask' questions.
[03:07] <amason_> Jimmio: do you have children, pets or loved ones ? If your prepared to have them eaten by the software, then its fine as your main OS. Otherwise no
[03:12] <arand> amason_: see what you did, now we've permanently lost a prerelease tester! ;)
[03:13] <amason_> arand: i don't think he/she was prepared to sacrifice their loved ones.
[03:13] <amason_> if they can't even give that up, do we really want them as a tester =)
[03:29] <duncan> hmm, anyone know how to sync KDE PIM with gmail?
[03:36] <Jimmio> Hello all, is there a manual way to edit keyboard shortcuts? The GUI version Segfaults.
[03:40] <crdlb> Jimmio: gconf-editor, but the location varies
[03:54] <boss_mc> is eclipse staying at version 3.2?
[03:55] <kklimonda> boss_mc: there is a 3.4 package but it's terribly broken
[03:55] <boss_mc> kklimonda: alas!
[03:55] <kklimonda> eclipse is a pita to package.
[03:56] <boss_mc> kklimonda: I can imagine, it's pretty anti-policy (i.e. it doesn't even pay attention to update-alternatives....)
[04:00] <kklimonda> we are most likely going to remove it from ubuntu alltogether - I know that it's totally unmaintained in debian and they are also considering removing it.
[04:08] <boss_mc> kklimonda: would we then have to install it from the eclipse site?  as a java program that *should* not be too hard...
[04:10] <kklimonda> boss_mc: well, it's just a .tar.gz package that you have to unpack somewhere
[04:29] <DanaG> ugh, great, now my menu in SCIM is missing all the icons.
[04:29] <DanaG> So instead of having nice icons to indicate languages... there's just a long, plain text list.
[04:30] <kklimonda> i guess you could report it as a bug - it may be a valid use of icons
[04:31] <DanaG> though I've also been having other oddities with SCIM -- such as menus being un-skinned (that is, default gtk color and shape).
[04:40] <DanaG> hmm, how do I get esound socket clients to work with PA?
[04:51] <dtchen> DanaG: as long as module-esound-protocol-* are loaded, you should be fine
[04:51] <DanaG> hmm, only -unix is loaded, not -tcp.
[04:51] <DanaG> The app itself is xoscope.
[04:51] <DanaG> It doesn't appear in pavucontrol, and errors out if I try padsp.
[04:53] <dtchen> these versions strings are horrid
[04:53] <dtchen> pulseaudio_0.9.16~test5~git20090819.f4f16ab1-0ubuntu1~ubuntuaudiodev1
[04:55] <DanaG> hmm, so xoscope must be doing something odd.
[04:56] <bsnider_> dtchen, surely all of that isn't necessary
[04:56] <bsnider_> why the f4f16ab1?
[04:56] <dtchen> bsnider_: that's the sha1 hash
[04:57] <dtchen> 0819 is ambiguous
[04:57] <bsnider_> well it's a date
[04:57] <bsnider_> but why ubuntuaudiodev1 and 0ubuntu1
[04:57] <DanaG> socket(PF_FILE, SOCK_STREAM, 0)         = 3
[04:57] <DanaG> connect(3, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path=@"/tmp/.X11-unix/X0"}, 20) = 0
[04:58] <DanaG> read(3, 0xaaf780, 8)                    = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:58] <DanaG> I've left out a bunch of lines.  Looks like an X protocol issue?
[04:58] <dtchen> bsnider_: 0ubuntu1 is the package revision, and ubuntuaudiodev1 is the ppa revision of the package
[04:58] <bsnider_> right but why not just say ppa1?
[04:59] <DanaG> (xoscope:8365): GLib-WARNING **: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.21.4/glib/giounix.c:406Error while getting flags for FD: Bad file descriptor (9)
[05:00] <DanaG> odd, and it seems to flicker a bit in pavucontrol.
[05:03] <dtchen> bsnider_: we want to clearly denote _which_ ppa
[05:03] <dtchen> bsnider_: apt-cache policy pulseaudio doesn't tell someone which ppa a package is from
[05:04] <DanaG> Perhaps that's a bug in itself.
[05:05] <DanaG> wasn't there some apt-cache command that was somebody's name?  I think it started with A.
[05:05] <DanaG> wow, just a mere rebuild fixed xoscope.
[05:10] <dtchen> fail. ./usr/lib/libpulsecommon-UNKNOWN.UNKNOWN.UNKNOWN.so
[05:10] <dtchen> that is so not useful
[05:11] <micahg> anyone seen anything like an offset of the cursor with where the actual place is?
[05:41] <billybigrigger> i'm gonna break, i'm gonna break my, i'm gonna break my rusty caaaaaage.........and run
[05:43] <billybigrigger> rip mr. cash
[06:20] <mac_v> !schedule
[06:37] <Tarkers> Hello, anyone around?
[06:40] <DanaG> !anyone
[06:41] <Tarkers> Good point.
[06:42] <Tarkers> My problem is, I have my onboard sound card and a usb soundcard for my headphones, I used to be able to switch between the two in Jaunty but since upgrading to Karmic it's defaulted to using my usb card at all times and I can't find any way to switch to my onboard soundcard.
[06:43] <dtchen> Tarkers: install pavucontrol and set the default there
[06:43] <Tarkers> thanks.
[06:45] <Tarkers> Excellent, worked perfectly.
[06:48] <DanaG> time for bed for me.
[06:57] <mac_v> what is the alert volume for? i.e. what does it control?
[07:34] <mac_v> !ubuntu
[07:35] <mac_v> !topic
[07:49] <spo> command 1 & ; command 2 & ; command 3&  nor  command 1; command 2; command 3  &   --- neither of these work for putting three subsequential commands in background
[07:50] <hifi> command1 & command2 & command3
[07:50] <dotblank> have you tried screen?
[07:50] <hifi> add trailing & too
[08:50] <eMyller> can i 'upgrade' from my stable jaunty to karmic alpha 4?
[09:11] <x1250> eMyller, sure: update-manager -d
[09:12] <eMyller> x1250: no update-manager here :|
[09:13] <x1250> server version?
[09:14] <x1250> eMyller, here are the instructions: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha4
[09:15] <eMyller> x1250: i already read that; i'm on kubuntu, my kpackagekit is broken due to versions incompatibility
[09:15] <eMyller> x1250: i just changed every "jaunty" match in my sources.list to "karmic". running a dist-upgrade now, it's downloading 1.4gb of data. hope i took the right way.
[09:17] <x1250> you didn't, there are (usually) some quirks that the update manager takes care of.
[09:18] <x1250> why don't you try ALTF+F2: update-manager -d
[09:18] <x1250> ?
[09:19] <x1250> or... do-release-upgrade -d
[09:20] <eMyller> x1250: dont have update-manager here, it's kde; and do-release-upgrade says "No new release found" here :P
[09:21] <gnomefreak> eMyller: you have to have jauntyt sources in .....list
[09:21] <x1250> ahhh, yes
[09:21]  * eMyller wonders what are these 'quirks'
[09:21] <gnomefreak> do-release changes them on thier own. ther eis also a update-manager-kde
[09:21] <x1250> eMyller, take a look at the update-manager code
[09:21] <eMyller> gnomefreak: so i'd have to switch back to jaunty in sources list?
[09:21] <eMyller> x1250: lol
[09:22] <x1250> eMyller, yes, then try again
[09:22] <gnomefreak> eMyller: well did you start the dist-upgrade yet?
[09:22] <eMyller> gnomefreak: it's running. downloads bunches of packages right now.
[09:22] <x1250> you can cancel it, no problem with that.
[09:22] <eMyller> s/downloads/downloading
[09:23] <eMyller> cancelling :)
[09:23] <gnomefreak> eMyller: leave it the way it is just make sure no PPA's or any other non-official sources are there
[09:23] <x1250> naah, update-manager is better, dist-upgrade can break things
[09:23] <gnomefreak> x1250: at this point either can. the biggest reason for breakage is the non-official repos
[09:24] <x1250> well, yes, sure, at this stage anything is possible :)
[09:24] <eMyller> anyways, i dont have update-manager here :P
[09:24] <eMyller> lol
[09:24]  * eMyller is scared
[09:25] <x1250> eMyller, there is a kde version
[09:25] <gnomefreak> eMyller: update-manager-kde IIRC adept is used most of time. it should be safe
[09:25]  * gnomefreak has never said adept and safe in same sentence before :(
[09:25] <eMyller> hehe
[09:26] <eMyller> kde's one is kpackagekit now, and it's unavailable for me
[09:26] <eMyller> cuz i just installed the karmic's one, it breaks in jaunty (my case) :(
[09:27] <eMyller> "No new release found", with "jaunty" in sources list. aw.
[09:27] <enyc> Hey hrrm   whyfor has karmic seemingly gone to the  2.6.31 (-rc stage) kernel  ?
[09:27]  * enyc been testing different kernel versions using portable kernel packages. on 8.04 // 9.04 
[09:29] <x1250> eMyller, why don't you just sudo aptitude install update-manager-kde and upgrade?
[09:29] <gnomefreak> eMyller: use either dist-upgrade or adept. mvo what is best on KDE for upgrades. oh BTW i hate dist-upgrade for upgrading dists.
[09:29] <eMyller> oh, thanks. that's exactly what i was using.
[09:30] <gnomefreak> x1250: not sure if it works like our version. I dont remember that far back thats why i just asked m_v_o
[09:30] <eMyller> trying to downgrade kpackagekit to jaunty's version
[09:31] <x1250> :P
[09:31] <eMyller> installing synaptic...
[09:31] <x1250> for what?
[09:31] <x1250> if you want to do it old school, go with aptitude.
[09:32] <eMyller> x1250: downgrading? dunno how to do this with aptitude :|
[09:32] <gnomefreak> just install update-manager if you want to go that route. forget synaptic
[09:33] <eMyller> gnomefreak: already installed now :)
[09:33] <gnomefreak> synaptic is not the best way to updgrade
[09:33] <gnomefreak> its pretty much the same as dist-upgrade
[09:33] <eMyller> gnomefreak: i was about to downgrade kpackagekit through synaptic
[09:34] <x1250> eMyller, yea, use update-manager, but just for the record: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[09:34] <eMyller> then i'd use kpackagekit to try upgrading kubuntu
[09:34] <eMyller> x1250: full-upgrade to downgrade? Oo
[09:34] <gnomefreak> ok thats alot more steps and hopes that it is still in synaptic
[09:35] <gnomefreak> synaptic same as adept in the sense on what they do
[09:35] <x1250> eMyller, no, its aptitude's better version of dist-upgrade. /j #debian && /msg dpkg why aptitude
[09:36] <eMyller> x1250: oh, good to know.
[09:36] <eMyller> another question: can i run this upgrade through update-manager and keep the downloaded packages?
[09:38] <eMyller> gnomefreak, x1250: i'd like to reuse the packages in another linux box :)
[09:39] <x1250> packages should be in /var/cache/apt/archives/, unless update-manager deletes them after upgrading.... I don't know if it do that when cleaning up. It shouldn't I guess.
[09:39] <eMyller> x1250: last time i used it it did :|
[09:39] <eMyller> last year
[09:39] <eMyller> i think
[09:40] <x1250> anyway, I think you should create a local repo mirror, or make a dvd, never done it tho.
[09:40] <eMyller> x1250: i'll do that if things go well here
[09:41] <eMyller> x1250: i'll follow my own post: http://emyller.net/offlineapt/
[09:42] <x1250> 404
[09:42] <x1250> http://emyller.net/blog/offlineapt/ I guess :P
[09:42] <eMyller> damn, http://emyller.net/blog/offlineapt/
[09:42] <eMyller> yep :P
[09:43] <eMyller> aaw. update-manager is stuck on "Calculating the changes...". ×.×
[09:43] <gnomefreak> do it from the wiki but stop after adding packages to folder and than just save the folder to USB or cd or DVD what ever you want
[09:44] <gnomefreak> eMyller: not stuck just takes a while
[09:44] <eagles0513875> morning gnomefreak
[09:44] <gnomefreak> morning eMyller
[09:44] <gnomefreak> oops
[09:45] <gnomefreak> morning eagles0513875
[09:45] <eagles0513875> how are you doing
[09:45] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: im alright just trying to get email cleaned up before my flight
[09:46] <gnomefreak> how are you doing?
[09:46] <eagles0513875> nice well im fighting with my desktop though :( once it goes into screen saver mode it doesnt wanna wake back up again
[09:46] <eagles0513875> :(
[09:46] <eagles0513875> i think i have an issue with my video card or the driver needs updadting
[09:46] <eagles0513875> not too bad back in europe arrived yesterday
[09:46] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: sounds more like a bug in gnome-screen-saver (not sure package name but that is fairly close)
[09:46] <eMyller> hmm... actually update-manager set sources.list to 'karmic' and disabled the third-party repos
[09:47] <eagles0513875> im on win on this desktop
[09:47] <eagles0513875> on lin
[09:47] <gnomefreak> eMyller: yes that is why we perfer users to use it
[09:47] <eMyller> gnomefreak: for this reason only? :P
[09:47] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: last i checked (around thurs/friday my screensaver still didnt work
[09:48] <gnomefreak> eMyller: no that is just one of the many helpful things it does
[09:48] <eMyller> ah. sounds good. :)
[09:48] <gnomefreak> it downgrades any packages higher than intented packages ect...
[09:49] <eMyller> thanks gnomefreak, x1250 :D
[09:49] <gnomefreak> eMyller: np
[09:49] <eagles0513875> gnomefreak: you talking about on windows vista or linux
[09:50] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: Ubuntu sorry i dont have a handy Win XP pc.
[09:50] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[09:50] <eagles0513875> only reason my desktop is win is cuz im a gamer
[09:50] <eagles0513875> i know some games work but others dont :(
[09:51]  * gnomefreak might play a card game once every 3 months :)
[09:52]  * gnomefreak really needs to find someone to do this for me but not for a while
[09:52] <x1250> I play with cinelerra :D, and kdenlive today too!
[09:52] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: your a KDE man right?
[09:52] <eagles0513875> ya
[09:53] <eagles0513875> the one time i did try cinelerra it would always crash on me even kdenlive
[09:53] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: how did you upgrade Jaunty -> Karmic?
[09:53] <eagles0513875> if anything i am gonna be using a vm but i did upgrade from jaunty to karmic but was having issues so i did a clean install
[09:54] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: ah didnt know you installed it. i remember you trying to upgrade but dont remember if you finished
[09:54] <eagles0513875> ya i did
[09:54] <eagles0513875> but reinstalled cuz of issues
[09:54] <eagles0513875> im reluctant to duel boot with it on my mac
[09:54] <eagles0513875> due to the networking stuff still being kinda screwey on it
[09:54] <eagles0513875> at least for wifi
[09:56] <gnomefreak> IIRC there is a wiki/official ubuntu page on upgrading in kde and gnome
[09:56] <eagles0513875> ya but for proper testing wouldnt a clean install be better
[09:56] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: yes unless you are testing upgrading :) but most people in here dont test for official reasons (normal users)
[09:57] <eagles0513875> ya
[09:57] <x1250> not necessarily, a lot of people don't reinstall at all
[09:57] <eagles0513875> that is true x1250 but for me i always seem to have issues
[09:57] <eagles0513875> when upgrading
[09:57] <eagles0513875> especially when there are big changes for instance when upgrading i noticed grub doesnt get upgraded to grub 2
[09:58] <gnomefreak> x1250: they dont but should unless doing real testing or for other reasons that they have. clean install makes testing better.
[09:59] <gnomefreak> i test upgrade install and upgrade using disk
[09:59] <gnomefreak> just cant recall my pssword for the site :(
[09:59] <x1250> maybe, but not for upgrades. To test upgrades, best thing is to just upgrade :)
[10:01] <gnomefreak> when testing a new release its always best to have only official packages or bugs are not really helpful
[10:01] <x1250> I'm using karmic as my main box, so I need this thing running. I can't really reinstall.
[10:02] <gnomefreak> x1250: you messed up than. karmic can break as in not start up
[10:02] <x1250> gnomefreak, I don't reboot :)
[10:02] <x1250> well, not a lot.
[10:03] <x1250> If I'm not feeling lucky I take a look at ubuntuforums.org before I reboot
[10:03] <x1250> it saved me a gdm trouble some time ago hehe
[10:05] <gnomefreak> x1250: the mailing list is much better to look at since its wrote by the official dev or team
[10:07] <x1250> mmm, you're right, I'll take a look there too, thanks
[10:25] <aboSamoor> compiz is not working anymore after startup, any idea how to trace the problem ?
[10:25] <nztal-> what channel might i go to, to see if a certain device is currently supported under karmic ?
[10:26] <nztal-> probably this one ?  i'm wondering if anyone can tell me where i can look up if the Novatel Ovation MC760 is supported under karmic
[10:27] <nztal-> support would be in a newer release, not jaunty for that device
[10:33] <aboSamoor> what is the package that contains gconfd-2 ?
[10:33]  * maxb points aboSamoor at packages.ubuntu.com
[11:23] <scizzo-> morning
[11:36] <indus> hi can anyone tell me if xspalsh is visually different from usplash
[11:38] <gnomefreak> indus: yes it adds a splash screen to grub
[11:38] <gnomefreak> indus: apt-cache show xsplash    should answer it
[11:39] <indus> gnomefreak: hmm its in already? i dont see anything.also i had a blue color grub boot menu before, but now its back to black color
[11:39] <indus> says grub 1.96 huh
[11:39] <indus> a splash screen to grub hmm, somehow i dont understand what that is
[11:40] <gnomefreak> indus: yeah the black is now standard IIRC. we had a wiki on grub splash screens but not sure if updated for grub2
[11:41] <scizzo-> I don't dare to test grub2
[11:41] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: 1.96 == grub2
[11:41] <scizzo-> o.O
[11:41] <gnomefreak> yeah i dont get it either since it is stable release
[11:41] <scizzo-> I got 0.97 installed
[11:42] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: thats grub 1 and you are on Jaunty than since updates should have updated you to grub2
[11:42] <scizzo-> hmmm
[11:42] <indus> why did they change the blue color to black again? also, it boots directly now ,thats scary for a new user if he wont see grub menu
[11:43] <gnomefreak> indus: you can disable the auto boot there was a email about it to devel list
[11:43] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: the standard grub package is the updated package?
[11:43] <gnomefreak> and devel-discuss list
[11:43] <gnomefreak> grub: Installed: (none)
[11:44] <gnomefreak> oh what the hell
[11:44] <indus> gnomefreak: yah i know,but i hope this is not default behaviour in final, new users have to go through the new grub 2 config omg
[11:44] <gnomefreak> grub2: Installed: (none)
[11:44] <gnomefreak> how am i booting :(
[11:44] <gnomefreak> indus: it is default nad will be that way
[11:44] <gnomefreak> s/nad/and
[11:44] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: hehe....good question
[11:44] <gnomefreak> indus: let me see if i have meail still
[11:45] <gnomefreak> email even
[11:45] <indus> i did read that mail( from brian murray) ??
[11:45] <gnomefreak> indus: dont recall if it was brian or colin
[11:45] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: but from what I know is that grub is not updated since there where known thingys with it going from jaunty to karmic or something like that
[11:46] <indus> someone had pasted in the forums
[11:46] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: ok last i heard they had done it but i guess they recalled that idea
[11:48] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: it should be the deps of ubuntu-desktop right?
[11:49] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: Depends: grub-pc
[11:50] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: no grub package depends on *-desktop
[11:50] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: aaaa
[11:50] <gnomefreak> one of the other packages in its depends not named with grub might
[11:50] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: I wonder if it will read the old config though
[11:51] <gnomefreak> try apt-cache rdepends ubuntu-desktop
[11:51] <gnomefreak> that will show you reverse depends on ubuntu-desktop
[11:51] <scizzo-> aaa ok thanks
[11:51] <gnomefreak> if something in there depends on grub that is different
[11:52] <gnomefreak> now why it changed from blue to black is a great question and i wish i knew answer
[11:54] <gnomefreak> i was bzr was fixed i kind of need it, makes life easy for me to build packages but i need bzr-builddeb but is set to be removed :)
[11:54] <gnomefreak> be back smoke
[12:06] <nztal> anyone know how to show grub2 menu on boot instead of it being hidden activated by escape ?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> nztal: yes it is in ubuntuforums as well as the mailing list i just dont remember off hand
[12:07] <nztal> thanks i'll look in the forums
[12:08] <nztal> thank you
[12:13] <cortex|sk> nztal: in /boot/grub/menu.lst add # before "hiddenmenu"
[12:13] <nztal> i'm using grub2 though
[12:14] <indus> that list should NOT be edited
[12:14] <indus> there is no /boot/grub/menu.lst now anyways
[12:14] <nztal> it was edited to do a splash screen image.  its working fine. people are instructing people to edit it for various reasons
[12:14] <nztal> yes that is what i thought.  i simply wish to see my grub2 menu on boot
[12:15] <indus> i mean now its some grub.cfg which should not be edited it seems
[12:15] <nztal> oh, well people are definitely modifing it these days
[12:16] <indus> well,it changes automatic on reboot again
[12:16] <nztal> if grub2.cfg should not be edited what file do you reference for changes ?
[12:17] <nztal> grub.cfg rather
[12:17] <indus> wait 1 sec
[12:17] <cdE|Woozy> nztal, /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/*
[12:17] <nztal> ooh.  thank you cdE|Woozy.  karmic is my first experience with grub2
[12:17] <cdE|Woozy> sudo update-grub after you made any changes, this generates /boot/grub/grub.cfg from those files
[12:18] <nztal> update-grub or update-grub2 ?
[12:19] <cdE|Woozy> update-grub should work
[12:19] <cdE|Woozy> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-August/000599.html
[12:19] <nztal> ok thank you
[12:20] <cdE|Woozy> hehe, update-grub2 just calls update-grub :)
[12:20] <nztal> thank you for the help
[12:21] <cdE|Woozy> :)
[12:23] <gnomefreak> there 2 grub2 bugs filed
[12:36] <Socah> Hello. I got fallowing problem. I have grub2, and 2 distros atm - gentoo and ubuntu testing. I had once ubuntu 9.04, ubuntu testing and arch.  Now, after installing gentoo, I just want to update grub, so as mentioned in doc's I need to run update-grub2. And I do so, it detecs ubuntu
[12:36] <Socah>  testing, and gentoo as it shold. After this, I enter /boot/grub/grub.cfg, and this new file doesn't contain gentoo,  but my old oses that  doesn't exist - arch, ubuntu 9.04, and ubuntu testing that exist. Anyone could give me a hint, what I did wrong?
[12:37] <Socah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/255690/
[12:44] <Ian_Corne> sudo update-grub ?
[12:44] <Ian_Corne> maybe it didn't have rights to write that file
[12:44] <Socah> it writes file, in fact I moved old grub.cfg
[12:44] <Socah> so there were no file, and it was created
[12:52] <cdE|Woozy> Socah, is this the entire grub.cfg you pasted?
[12:53] <AnAnt> Hello, how can I change boot splash from xplash to usplash ?
[12:54] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: whats the problem with xsplash? ( im installing it btw )
[12:54] <cdE|Woozy> it's missing several lines from 30_os-prober and 40_custom which might indicate that they were never used, although they should have been
[12:54] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: nothing, except that I dunno how to make a theme for xsplash
[12:55] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: did you see my comment on the PC beep bug ?
[12:55] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: um nope.... can you paste the link?
[12:56] <shadeslayer> also i accideently installed kubuntu-grub-splashimages and i cant remove it
[12:56] <cdE|Woozy> AnAnt, xsplash is only started after X has come up, everything before that should still be done by usplash at the moment
[12:57] <shadeslayer> *accidently
[12:57] <AnAnt> cdE|Woozy: are you sure ?
[12:57] <cdE|Woozy> yes
[12:57] <AnAnt> cdE|Woozy: ok, I'll check again, thanks
[12:59] <cdE|Woozy> AnAnt, the plan is to start X as early as possible (which doesn't happen at the moment) and then use xsplash on top of X to display the boot splash, completely replacing usplash. as long as usplash is installed, it should paint the usual theme until X is started
[13:00]  * shadeslayer hopes they get there asap
[13:00] <AnAnt> cdE|Woozy: have you got info about making xsplash themes ?
[13:01] <diverse_izzue> when using two screens, how can i determine on which screen my gnome panel is?
[13:03] <cdE|Woozy> AnAnt, I don't know whether there is a draft for making those themes already, but xsplash itself doesn't do more than load a hard-coded image and fade it in and out for now. so even if there was some documentation on how to make xsplash themes, I don't think you could actually test them yet
[13:03] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: grub-pc is installed grub2 is a meta package thats why it says not installed
[13:03] <shadeslayer> how do i use apt to force a package remove?
[13:04] <Socah> cdE|Woozy: almost, some comments are cutted out
[13:05] <AnAnt> cdE|Woozy: I think that it is xsplash that starts here , because I get Ubuntu's splash theme when I boot (Ubuntu with some colorful progress bar), and my own usplash theme when I shutdown
[13:06] <cdE|Woozy> AnAnt, have you tried running sudo dpkg-reconfigure usplash?
[13:06] <cdE|Woozy> I think the images are stored in the initrd, sometimes there is an old image somewhere causing this inconsistency
[13:07] <AnAnt> oh , yes, you're right !
[13:07] <AnAnt> update-initramfs
[13:07] <cdE|Woozy> Socah, are those comments mentioning 30_os-prober and 40_custom?
[13:08] <AnAnt> cdE|Woozy: yup, that done it
[13:08] <Socah> cdE|Woozy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/255707/
[13:08] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: LP 414795
[13:10] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: ok
[13:10] <mac_v> AnAnt: Bug #290204 , that because the pcskr is blacklisted
[13:11] <mac_v> AnAnt: it was blacklisted in the recent update, because users were complaining
[13:11] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: ill just test that out
[13:12] <shadeslayer> what idk is how to remove kubuntu-grub-splashimages :P
[13:12] <AnAnt> mac_v: but even if it is blacklisted, if I modprobe pcspkr, it should work
[13:12] <cdE|Woozy> Socah, hm, maybe there is something in /var/log/syslog that could indicate why os-prober doesn't find any of your other installations
[13:12] <AnAnt> oh, maybe the conflict is because new PC beep is using proper sound system, so some conflict happens ?
[13:13] <mac_v> AnAnt: pulse has several problems as of now , nothing audio works properly
[13:14] <mac_v> s/nothing/no
[13:14] <AnAnt> mac_v: so this bug I am experience is a pulseaudio problem rather than a kernel problem ?
[13:14] <mac_v> AnAnt: yeah
[13:14] <AnAnt> s/experience/experiencing
[13:14] <AnAnt> ok thanks
[13:20] <shadeslayer> suppose i install grub,just using apt-get install grub,it will not rewrite the mbr right?
[13:21] <mac_v> shadeslayer: you mean grub2?
[13:22] <shadeslayer> mac_v: actually,i installed kubuntu-splash-images,and now i cant remove them since it searches for menu.lst
[13:23] <mac_v> hmm... kubuntu i dont know
[13:23] <shadeslayer> mac_v: so if you can help me remove that package without removing grub2 its well and good,or ill install grub and then remove the package and the reinstall grub2
[13:24] <shadeslayer> ok so ill just install grub remove the package and reinstall grub2
[13:37] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: please set the status of the bug to confirmed
[13:37] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: is pcspkr currently modprobe'd on your system ?
[13:37] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: I mean, did you test already ?
[13:38] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: yeah,isnt working
[13:38] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: even if you rmmod pcspkr ?
[13:38] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: im not a authorized person to do that
[13:38] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: yep
[13:38] <AnAnt> shadeslayer: did you use alsamixer to unmute PC Beep
[13:39] <shadeslayer> AnAnt: yep
[13:40] <AnAnt> ok
[13:41] <shadeslayer> brb
[13:48] <fiXXXerMet> If I have a local repo mirroring (using apt-mirror) karmic, karmic-backports and karmic-updates, will this keep the packages up to date with the alpha releases?
[13:50] <xray7224> hey guys
[13:51] <mac_v> !hi | xray7224
[13:52] <xray7224> =]
[14:01] <fiXXXerMet> If I have downloaded karmic alpha 3, can I just do a dist-upgrade to upgrade to alpha 4?
[14:02] <xray7224> yep
[14:02] <shadeslayer> fiXXXerMet: i dont see why not
[14:02] <fiXXXerMet> super
[14:02] <xray7224> =]
[14:11] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[14:11] <mac_v> !hi | BluesKaj
[14:11] <mac_v> lol
[14:12] <BluesKaj> heh , thx
[14:12] <xray7224> i got a hi from the bot too
[14:12] <aboSamoor> pulseaudio exits suddenly then gnome-settings-daemon crash after that, does any one face the same problem ?
[14:12] <mac_v> xray7224: but BluesKaj is more here than the bot , ;p
[14:13] <xray7224> huh
[14:14] <xray7224> smexy stuff
[14:15] <BluesKaj> aboSamoor, my pulseaudio doesn't even work the media audio test falls back to my soundcard driver according the message that pops up
[14:16] <BluesKaj> oops 'scuse the poor punctuation
[14:16] <xray7224> i donno whether i should update
[14:16] <BluesKaj> aboSamoor, my pulseaudio doesn't even work , the media audio test falls back to my soundcard driver, according the message that pops up
[14:17] <mac_v> aboSamoor: pulse is very buggy atm , so expect everything ;)
[14:17] <xray7224> yay buggy :D
[14:17] <xray7224> :P
[14:17] <sparr> how broken is karmic these days?
[14:17] <aboSamoor> BluesKaj, What I noticed that before when pulseaudio crash the music player does not play any more, today pulseaudio crashing does not affect the music player, but I can not change the sound level using the function keys anymore, now trying to run pulseaudio again affect the music player and no more sound is available
[14:17] <xray7224> broken enough its fun :P
[14:18]  * xray7224 points out im a bad source since im still not on it
[14:18] <BluesKaj> xray7224, I still have sound on all the media palyers etc , they just don't use pulseaudio as the soundserver ..now i think this situation os restricted those with pci souncards , not the onboards
[14:18] <sparr> august and february are usually when I start pining for debian testing due to 4 months of package lag in ubuntu...  +1 starts looking really inviting
[14:18] <xray7224> :P
[14:18] <xray7224> i believe i shall update today
[14:19] <mac_v> BluesKaj: sometimes you can go into sound prefs and mute and unmute the volume it helps too
[14:19] <aboSamoor> but what is the relation between pulseaudio and gnome-settings-daemon ?!
[14:19] <mac_v> aboSamoor: BluesKaj the root cause is Bug #411962 , the audio gets locked ,
[14:19] <sparr> im gonna look at the package upgrade list, see if any of my favorite bugs have been fixed
[14:20] <mac_v> aboSamoor: the settings daemon crash is not related AFAIK
[14:20] <sparr> kvirc is fixed...
[14:20] <xray7224> im gunna update
[14:20] <mac_v> aboSamoor: there is a seperate bug for that
[14:20] <xray7224> im bored =]
[14:21]  * shadeslayer tickles xray7224 
[14:21]  * aboSamoor subscribing, thinking of quiting studying to follow the large stack of bugs he has 
[14:21] <xray7224> yay
[14:21]  * xray7224 jumps on shadeslayer 
[14:21] <xray7224> :P
[14:21] <shadeslayer> hehe
[14:22] <Syka> :D
[14:22] <sebsebseb> Syka: hi
[14:22] <mac_v> aboSamoor: Bug #321041 , provide a backtrace if you can , they dont have one yet , see comment #22
[14:23] <shadeslayer> xray7224: want to play a game? join #jswolfbot :)
[14:23] <C-S-B> sebsebseb: carry on
[14:23] <mac_v> !offtopic
[14:23] <sebsebseb> C-S-B: well indus won't join hmm
[14:23] <xray7224> oooo
[14:23] <sebsebseb> not much to say really on the Ext4 topic other than
[14:24] <sebsebseb> best to clean install
[14:24] <sebsebseb> for the full support
[14:24] <sebsebseb> and i'll   tell loads of people to clean install  once  9.10 is out, since Ext4 is so worth it :)
[14:24] <Syka> Hm
[14:24] <shadeslayer> sebsebseb: ++++++++++++++
[14:24] <Syka> well, I installed the Alpha 4 the other day
[14:25] <Syka> Empathy is bad D:
[14:25] <sebsebseb> Syka: well   I  been playing in a vm,   i'll install properly later
[14:25] <sebsebseb> that new GDM I am not so keen on
[14:25] <sebsebseb> I used to hate KDM
[14:25] <sebsebseb> ,but now  the KDE 4 version of KDM, wow that looks nice
[14:25] <Syka> Wait
[14:25] <aboSamoor> mac_v,  I deleted my .gconf today to try to see if there is any cause that my gconfd-2 eating the cpu
[14:25] <Syka> I haven't seen the new GDM
[14:25] <shadeslayer> sebsebseb: join the group
[14:26] <sebsebseb> also  I coudn't get into  the  log in screen window for  GDM  without crashing, but hey karmic is alpha
[14:26] <sebsebseb> so bugs
[14:26] <aboSamoor> mac_v, now, gconfd-2 works fine with metacity and compiz and gnome-do cpu bug stopped
[14:26] <mac_v> aboSamoor: huh ?
[14:26] <sebsebseb> shadeslayer: why don't you like it?
[14:27] <shadeslayer> sebsebseb: i thought you liked KDM?
[14:27] <aboSamoor> mac_v, I think this most of the bugs comes from bringing settings from old versions [9.04] to run in newer development versions
[14:27]  * shadeslayer likes the new KDM
[14:27] <sebsebseb> shadeslayer: yes I like the new KDM,   the old one I didn't like
[14:27] <sebsebseb> or is it just the way Kubuntu has done it hmm
[14:27] <mac_v> aboSamoor: i'v cleaned the gconf too , but this happened to me only once till now
[14:27] <Syka> KDE, ew. I've had nothing but issues with it
[14:28] <sebsebseb> Syka: yeah I don't like KDE  that much,  it's ashame that KDE 3 is on the verge of dieing
[14:28] <shadeslayer> sebsebseb: oh ok,i havent tried out GDM since gnome usually screws up KDE (thats for you Syka )
[14:28] <mac_v> aboSamoor: also , i dont shutdown my system often , so that maybe once reason i see less of the crash
[14:28] <mac_v> s/once/one
[14:28] <sebsebseb> Syka: however some of the KDE apps are pretty  good to have in Gnome as well :)
[14:28] <Syka> New GDM is ew
[14:28] <aboSamoor> mac_v, I expect that pusleaudio is buggy, but the problem that I have to log out to return things as it was, is there any way to keep applications open while restarting X ?
[14:29] <Syka> It's... a step backwards
[14:29] <Syka> And I hate KDE apps. They're always the hardest to use and make my Eee at school chew though battery
[14:30] <nevcairiel> Just wait until the new GDM gets a proper skin, and it'll look good again =)
[14:30] <Syka> mmm.
[14:30] <shadeslayer> nevcairiel: you mean never?
[14:30] <mac_v> aboSamoor: AFAIK , nope... but you can use save session , to restart the apps automatically
[14:31] <Syka> well, honestly, it's a login.
[14:31] <Syka> we need to step back and realise that you only see it for 20 seconds
[14:31] <Pici> Its a rewrite iirc.
[14:31] <aboSamoor> mac_v, i want to keep my self loggin to the IRC channel all the time
[14:31] <sebsebseb> good news with Karmic though is  that,   logout and shutdown is back in the system menu, where it's meant to be,   that's where it is in upstream  Gnome.    Ubuntu's/Canonicals   edited  fusa (fast user account switcher)  wasn't that bad really,  altough the changes weren't part of upstream Gnome,  however it pissed me off big time,  how as a result of it they removed shut down and logout from the system menu,  where as I already put it's
[14:31] <sebsebseb> meant to be.  Also I hope people here can understand why,  as someone who has been shutting down from that menu,  since  Fedora Core 2, back in 2004.
[14:31] <shadeslayer> new skin for 9.04 Ubuntu.....oh wait itll be released in 9.10......or in 10.04.....or never :P
[14:31] <Syka> What
[14:31] <sebsebseb> then  Ubuntu since second release in 2005 for me
[14:31] <mac_v> aboSamoor: not possible ;)
[14:31] <Syka> No! I liked it in FUSA
[14:31] <Syka> D:
[14:32] <mac_v> sebsebseb: dont worry ,its just temporary
[14:32] <sebsebseb> mac_v: what is?
[14:32] <mac_v> sebsebseb: FUSA is eing reworked
[14:32] <arand> Syka: but it's still 20 secs of _every_ single computer boot (unless you auto-login)
[14:32] <mac_v> being*
[14:32] <sebsebseb> mac_v: uhmm?
[14:32] <sebsebseb> mac_v: as long as shutdown and logout are in the system menu  where they are meant to be  :)
[14:32] <BluesKaj> xray7224,  install update-manager -d if you don't already have it then use it the runbox , it'll offer to update to a newer OS ..it's the best way to go about upgrading
[14:33] <Syka> arand: True
[14:33] <sebsebseb> Syka: I liked 8.10,  how  it had shutdown and logout in the system menu :)   ,but  also a fusa,  which  is good
[14:33] <mac_v> sebsebseb: the present one you see on the panel is user-switch-applet  , FUSA is in development , when it is done no option will be in the system menu
[14:33] <aboSamoor> mac_v, thanks :), recently I read an article on reddit that windows restart the graphics stack without closing applications, it is just the screen flicker [not sure though, because i don't use windows]
[14:33] <Syka> sebsebseb: I skipped 8.10 D:
[14:33] <Syka> sebsebseb: I had 8.04 netbook remix and then 9.04
[14:33] <sebsebseb> mac_v: hmm,  well  in that case, as long as  it's the same as upstream Gnome, then it should be alright  I guess
[14:33] <Syka> sebsebseb: UbuntuEee, rather
[14:34] <mac_v> aboSamoor: are you referring to the updates without restart? link to article pls?
[14:34] <mac_v> sebsebseb: nope , the shutdown will only be in FUSA
[14:34] <Syka> sebsebseb: I only really started using Linux about four months ago. Before then it was my Eee only, as my laptop had an ATI, and I've heard horror stories
[14:34] <sebsebseb> mac_v: hmm  well in that case,  as long as there is a way to add it back to the system menu, without  also having to remove FUSA,   and i'll be happy I think
[14:35] <Syka> now I have a custom build server/gaming/monster C:
[14:35] <mac_v> sebsebseb: i think you can trun it on from gconf , the FUSA only changed the setting sin the gconf to not show the options
[14:35] <mac_v> turn*
[14:35] <Syka> haha. I love the "Karmic is NOT RELEASED and may break your system" at the top there
[14:36] <sebsebseb> mac_v: oh
[14:36] <scizzo-> Syka: its true also
[14:36] <Syka> scizzo-: Yes, that is right
[14:37] <sebsebseb> mac_v: well in that case, as long as I know how to add it back, I should be happy :)
[14:37] <Syka> scizzo-: But hey, better than 7. That won't even boot in my VM
[14:37] <Syka> scizzo-: Won't detect the disks*... it boots, and then the mouse lags
[14:37] <sebsebseb> mac_v:  ,but I don't know how,  except for removing fusa
[14:38] <BluesKaj> yup, one must bear in mind the consequences of the bleeding edge :)
[14:38] <Karmic> Syka: If you're unexperienced it may break your system, but if you know how things work under the hood then you should be fine
[14:38] <Syka> Karmic: Epic username GET.
[14:38] <aboSamoor> mac_v, rereading the article again, it seems works for updates. http://www.osnews.com/story/21999/Editorial_X_Could_Learn_a_Lot_from_Vista_Windows_7. I don't like his way of writing it does not seem objective
[14:39] <sebsebseb> mac_v: anyway  I see,  so   it isn't fusa at the moment in  9.04,   I guess that explains  the  suckyness
[14:39] <sebsebseb> mac_v: 9.04 I meant karmic alpha4
[14:39] <fiXXXerMet> If I booted into a live CD and modified the sources.list file to use my local mirror, and the used usb-creator to created a usb bootable stick, will it copy over my modified sources.list file?
[14:42] <mac_v> aboSamoor: the web is open to such c$$p , :/
[14:43] <mac_v> articles just aernt clear!
[14:43] <BluesKaj> fiXXXerMet, do you mean will it create a new sources.list ?..."copy over" is an ambiguous phrase
[14:43] <fiXXXerMet> BluesKaj: Yes, you're right.  Will it create a new sources.list file based on my changes?
[14:44] <Syka> aboSamoor: What
[14:44] <Syka> aboSamoor: That guy obviously has no idea what he's doing
[14:45] <aboSamoor> Syka, I am also does not have idea why restarting X has to close all my applications. I tried in the past x clone server but it was not easy to use so I can keep my applications open whenX crash
[14:46] <Syka> aboSamoor: It does it because they are X applications - they need X running. But, if X is crashing, something is up
[14:46] <malnilion> I'm ready to take the plunge for Karmic (and am an experienced Ubuntu/Linux user), but I'm having trouble connecting to repos for some reason after the dist upgrade begins.  Any ideas?
[14:46] <Syka> aboSamoor: I have never had X crash on me. Sure, gnome-panel, but that's always happening
[14:46] <Syka> malnilion: Fresh install C:
[14:47] <aboSamoor> Syka, from user point of view there is no difference between running level 0 and that one before X
[14:47] <BluesKaj> save a copy of your edited souces.list on the web like in a gmail or some such and if the newone isn't what you want then just copy the text from the saved one.
[14:47] <Syka> aboSamoor: I',
[14:47] <BluesKaj> er fiXXXerMet , see above
[14:47] <malnilion> Syka, easier said than done, I'm running a Eee netbook with no disc drive :P
[14:48] <Syka> aboSamoor: In my experience, Windows drivers crashing kills the entire laptop and I have to remove the battery, so it's not a Linux thing. Why is X crashing?
[14:48] <malnilion> Syka, and while I have a thumb drive, I know of no thumb images that are currently available
[14:48] <Syka> malnilion: You have a Windows box lying around?
[14:48] <malnilion> Syka, yep, this netbook has XP
[14:49] <Syka> malnilion: This is about the only thing I use it for now. Download the regular ISO image, and use a windows app called UNetBootin to make your USB drive bootable
[14:49] <Syka> malnilion: Then restart, let it boot off the USB and kazam, Karmic
[14:50] <malnilion> Hehe, okay, I'm following what you're saying.  "Burn" the iso onto the USB?
[14:50] <Syka> malnilion: No, use UnetBootin
[14:50] <malnilion> Oh, okay, so the app boots a saved iso or something?
[14:51] <Syka> malnilion: http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/files/UNetbootin/356/unetbootin-windows-357.exe/download
[14:51] <Syka> malnilion: It copies it to the USB drive and makes it bootable
[14:51] <aboSamoor> Syka, mac_v  I made a mistake :). X does not crash on machine, I can not remember that, usually I needs to log out just to return pulseaudio or gnome settings daemon sane, so I loose my applications I do that. I usually kill processes and run them again with same parameter but that does not work, so logout is the only reliable solution I have. sorry for my misunderstanding
[14:51] <malnilion> Syka, is it possible to install Karmic over the current install?
[14:52] <Syka> malnilion: I would wipe and then reinstall, much easier
[14:53] <Syka> brb
[14:53] <kristian42> Sometime around alpha2 the mouse on my laptop stopped working after resume from suspend. Anyone know if this is a known issue ?
[14:55] <sebsebseb> mac_v: well this is a rather good read when  it comes to the  fusa stuff,  and regarding  9.04  http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1094627.html
[14:56] <mac_v> sebsebseb: users will *always* resist change even if is good for them , the unknown/new thing is always scary!
[14:58] <sebsebseb> mac_v: depends what the changes are,  also  aren't Linux distros  and opensource/freesoftware  meant to be all about choice?   Well this stuff isn't choice.
[14:58] <BluesKaj> malnilion, there is an alternative if you are on 9.04: install update-manager -d if you don't already have it , then use it the runbox , it'll offer to update to a newer OS ..it's the best way to go about upgrading
[14:58] <mac_v> sebsebseb: there is a choice , its just people dont want to look!
[14:59] <sebsebseb> mac_v: there is no button or something that I can press,  that  puts this stuff to  how I want it,  like 8.10
[15:00] <mac_v> sebsebseb: simpler , dont upgrade ;)
[15:00] <sebsebseb> mac_v: you say maybe I can edit gconf  to  get what I want.   Have I even done stuff with gconf before hmm, well how to access it?
[15:00] <malnilion> BluesKaj, I think I'm probably taking a very potentially messy approach, but I simply decided to edit my sources.list and see if that'll bypass my problem.
[15:00] <sebsebseb> mac_v: newer is not always better sure,   but  I can  virtual machine older versions as well if I want to, for example,  and other distros for that matter
[15:02] <BluesKaj> malnilion, yeah that's the way most of us do it by using the karmic ppas repos , but not knowing the approach you like to use I suggested the non terminal/cli approach to upgrading :)
[15:03] <malnilion> BluesKaj, wait a sec, you mean I should be using the ppas, rather than official, repos?
[15:03] <BluesKaj> I used it on our laptop on Mon and it worked fine
[15:04] <sebsebseb> mac_v: I think  Canonical   cater a lot  to  brand new users,  and  that's  where  sometimes some of us that have used it for a while bump into issues,   this fusa and system menu  thing in my case.   Oh sure it's great to cater for the new users,  win market share against Windows :),  however  it's not that good  to upset experiended users,  even if  it's only over little things,  fusa and system menu thing for example.  Also some people
[15:04] <sebsebseb> are more forgiving over these things than others,  in fact  one guy left Ubuntu, because with  9.04  they haven't followed upstream Gnome properly and such.
[15:04] <mac_v> !offtopic | sebsebseb
[15:04] <malnilion> BluesKaj, oh well, here's to hoping *goes to get a beer*
[15:05] <sebsebseb> mac_v: maybe a little,   but I have good points there I think :)
[15:05] <mac_v> sebsebseb: as i said , people will always resist change , its inherent
[15:05] <scizzo-> sebsebseb: I believe you are flaming actually
[15:05] <BluesKaj> malnilion, well some are ppas and some aren't ..sorry for the confusion
[15:06] <sebsebseb> scizzo-: I am expressing an opinion :)
[15:06] <scizzo-> sebsebseb: all I have seen so far is complaints
[15:06]  * sebsebseb has a feeling that karmic will be pretty good though, by what he has seen
[15:07] <scizzo-> if there are functions and so on missing...then launchpad is there for that purpose to give you the ability to add wishlist items....also you can use brainstorm for that
[15:13] <sebsebseb> scizzo-: ok
[15:13]  * arand feels that brainstorm is dead
[15:15] <sebsebseb> arand: why?
[15:17] <arand> sebsebseb: Well, there are quite a few suggestion there, but it seems the thing that happens is they get popular and a bunch of votes, and then just falls into forgetfulness.
[15:18] <sebsebseb> arand: yeah and it also has silly suggestions here and there
[15:21] <arand> sebsebseb: a lot, so I can see why devs might not like spending too much time there, since it's a pretty low s/n ratio, I guess.
[15:22] <sebsebseb> arand: s/n ratio  what you mean?
[15:23] <arand> signal/noise
[15:24] <sebsebseb> arand: what do you mean?
[15:24] <scizzo-> votes
[15:24] <sebsebseb> ah ok
[15:27] <arand> sebsebseb: a lot of irrelevant/impossible/incomprehensible ideas, and unfortunately no really good way to separate out the good ideas (lot of votes normally seems to indocate a very _general_ idea not necessarily a very good one...)
[15:27] <mac_v> arand: brainstorm is just a ideabox , if some devs is interested in developing it he will else its not used :(
[15:29] <sebsebseb> mac_v: he/she :D  #ubuntu-women
[15:29] <alankila> I think that in general ubuntu's style to change things around is a healthy development. Almost all human culture tends to stagnate under the weight of its legacy, which comes from adding new stuff but generally not removing obsolete stuff. It's nice to see that people experiment, change & adopt new ways, and part of the process is destroying the old ways, I think.
[15:29] <alankila> (what, me off-topic?)
[15:31] <sebsebseb> alankila: the old ways  Microsoft,  closed source software :D   yeah  Linux and other opensource/freesoftware is  getting there more and more on the desktop, as time goes on,   already has other major markets,  servers,  desktop,  mobile phone, etc,  (what, me off-topic?)
[15:31] <arand> mac_v: yea, but I think that for bstorm to remain popular it has to offer more than the slim off-chance that your idea might be taken aboard...
[15:32] <sebsebseb> alankila: uh by mistake I put desktop when I said markets that  Linux dominates on
[15:32] <sebsebseb> alankila: well  mobile phones  I should of said are going to be going a lot more LInux
[15:33] <sebsebseb> alankila: ,but the super computers and such, yep Linux for a lot of them :)
[15:33] <alankila> Well, that wasn't what I was talking about, but never mind.
[15:34] <sebsebseb> yeah people not wanting to change, but change being good?   or something on those lines?
[15:34] <sebsebseb> and a lot of the newer stuff is based on the older stuff?
[15:35] <sebsebseb> or you meant code  getting bloated, because having to have support for older  hardware for example?
[15:35] <alankila> That point already had an exposition. No... I'm thinking that it's a healthy and refreshing to see people change things like how you log out of your desktop in name of having found a better way to do it. The worst thing that can happen is listen to us old beards complain that the old way to do stuff was better. That stifles all progress.
[15:35] <sebsebseb> sure, but newer is not always better
[15:36] <mac_v> arand: unfortunately no. since this is a community its either you do the hacking and give back or any idea which the devs are not interested is just a rant[i use it very loosely]
[15:36] <alankila> Still, it's always possible to screw things up, and right at this point we will have anecdotes flying around, I think.
[15:37] <diverse_izzue> what's the recommended way of requesting an upgrade to a newer version of a package?
[15:37] <alankila> However, I believe everyone learnt some lessons in the last decade, given that the habitual response to conflicting desires of the user base is no longer "let's add a configuration option for that".
[15:38] <sebsebseb> in a way  opensource/freesoftware is going back to the old ways of doing things,  when  proggrammers shared code with each other,   but then  along came  closed source companies  such as Microsoft to mess that up,  but  the tide is turning/changing :)
[15:38] <sebsebseb> !ot  |  alankila  sebsebseb
[15:38] <sebsebseb> indeed we are,  and  I don't want to join there right now
[15:45] <shadeslayer> anyone experiencing the cover flow not working? instead the windows just slide in and out?
[15:45] <shadeslayer> by deafult it works but not when i start customizing the desktop effects
[15:47] <shadeslayer> ill try rm -rf .kde one last time
[15:48] <shadeslayer> make the mv ,kde
[15:48] <shadeslayer> brb
[16:00] <shadeslayer> ugh..works for like 5 min and then doesnt work again
[16:27] <xray7224> ive just updated
[16:35] <natewiebe13> xray7224: congrats
[16:35] <xray7224> thanks =]
[16:35] <natewiebe13> :P
[16:36] <natewiebe13> i just updated too
[16:36] <JamalFanaian> Hello :P)
[16:36] <JamalFanaian> :)*
[16:37] <natewiebe13> hello
[16:37] <JamalFanaian> So I'm trying to figure out if a bug has been reported that started happening after updating last night... but I can't figure out how to explain it
[16:37] <JamalFanaian> Here is a screenshot of it: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/7197/notify.png
[16:37] <JamalFanaian> I have an ATI card but I'm not using fglrx (I guess I'm using the radeon drivers? I'm not sure..)
[16:37] <natewiebe13> weird.. mines still working great
[16:38] <natewiebe13> im using nvidia
[16:38] <natewiebe13> with nvidia 190.18 drivers
[16:38] <JamalFanaian> natewiebe13: hm... so it may be a driver issue
[16:38] <natewiebe13> maybe?
[16:38] <JamalFanaian> how do i find out what driver / version i'm using?
[16:38] <loonyphoenix> JamalFanaian: what video are you on?
[16:38] <natewiebe13> i dont know for ati
[16:39] <Pici> JamalFanaian: Do you have desktop effects enabled?
[16:39] <JamalFanaian> Pici: no, this computer can run it but it makes it run too slow
[16:39] <loonyphoenix> dpkg -s xserver-xorg-video-ati
[16:39] <loonyphoenix> shows your video driver
[16:39] <loonyphoenix> unless you're using fglrx
[16:40] <loonyphoenix> which is the one you install through driver manager
[16:40] <JamalFanaian> loonyphoenix: i'm not using fglrx
[16:40] <JamalFanaian> Version: 1:6.12.99+git20090629.f39cafc5-0ubuntu6
[16:40] <JamalFanaian> that's the version for xserver-xorg-video-ati
[16:40] <Pici> loonyphoenix: No. xserver-xorg-video-ati is installed by default when xorg is installed.
[16:41] <Pici> Its a dependency through xserver-xorg-video-all
[16:41] <loonyphoenix> Yeah, I understand
[16:41] <loonyphoenix> Anyway, I'm on Intel so I can't help:)
[16:42] <JamalFanaian> oh :\
[16:42] <JamalFanaian> it happens with gnome-do too
[16:42] <JamalFanaian> and if i try to run glxgears the scren is just blcak
[16:43] <loonyphoenix> JamalFanaian: your desktop is so like mine :)
[16:43] <loonyphoenix> I have gnome-do too
[16:43] <JamalFanaian> loonyphoenix: hehe :)
[16:43] <Pici> JamalFanaian: grep LoadModule /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you what modules that xorg is using, you'll either have fglrx or radeon/ati listed there, or something else entirely.
[16:43] <JamalFanaian> gnome-do is awesome
[16:43] <loonyphoenix> yeah
[16:43] <loonyphoenix> do you have the bug where you can't open home folder with it, though?
[16:43] <JamalFanaian> Pici: it lists radeon
[16:43] <JamalFanaian> loonyphoenix: haven't tried
[16:43] <JamalFanaian> no it worked fine
[16:43] <JamalFanaian> i can't see what i'm typing though ><!
[16:44] <loonyphoenix> weird
[16:44] <JamalFanaian> oh wait no it didn't open
[16:44] <JamalFanaian> it says starting home folder and then it just goes away
[16:44] <loonyphoenix> good to see i'm not alone)
[16:44] <loonyphoenix> that's what happening here too
[16:46] <loonyphoenix> how do I open 7zip files? can fileroller do that?
[16:47] <Pici> Yes.
[16:47] <Pici> loonyphoenix: install the p7zip package and then file-roller will be able to handle those files.
[16:47] <loonyphoenix> never mind I think i know
[16:48] <loonyphoenix> yeah, that's what I found, but thanks anyway)
[16:50] <loonyphoenix> JamalFanaian: what's that font you're using?
[16:51] <suit> Does anyone have TOR installed and running properly on Karmic?
[16:53] <JamalFanaian> loonyphoenix: Droid :)
[16:53] <JamalFanaian> loonyphoenix: ttf-droid is the package
[16:53] <JamalFanaian> i found it last night, it's so nice..
[16:54] <JamalFanaian> it's the font used in the android phones
[16:54] <loonyphoenix> JamalFanaian: I tried it, but it didn't look as nice for me...
[16:54] <JamalFanaian> so any clue how i can report this bug accurately?
[16:54] <JamalFanaian> loonyphoenix: i would play wiht the font sizes
[16:54] <JamalFanaian> in my desktop it looked weird at anything smaller than 10, but on my laptop anything bigger than 9 looks bad
[16:56] <loonyphoenix> JamalFanaian: report it with ubuntu-bug notify-osd :) attach the screenshot and all will be undertood.
[16:56] <loonyphoenix> JamalFanaian: I'll try playing with it, thanks
[16:57] <JamalFanaian> loonyphoenix: ah thx
[16:57] <JamalFanaian> loonyphoenix: but it happens with a lot of things...
[16:57] <JamalFanaian> the brightness dialogs do it
[16:57] <JamalFanaian> gnome-do
[16:57] <JamalFanaian> it's like everything that uses opengl or something
[16:58] <loonyphoenix> JamalFanaian: so you say you don't have desktop effects enabled? what if you do enable it, does the bug persist?
[16:58] <JamalFanaian> loonyphoenix: let me try
[16:58] <loonyphoenix> JamalFanaian: <lame joke>I'd like to see me try to stop you from over here :)</lame joke>
[17:00] <loonyphoenix> JamalFanaian: anyway, if it's a system-wide video-related bug, I'd report it with ubuntu-bug xserver-xorg-video-ati
[17:01] <JamalFanaian> loonyphoenix: ok i'll try that
[17:01] <JamalFanaian> desktop effects won't enable for some reason :(
[17:02] <JamalFanaian> loonyphoenix: i've never used ubuntu-bug before.. this is kind of nice :)
[17:02] <loonyphoenix> JamalFanaian: well that's weird. have you fiddled with video configuration in any way?
[17:02] <loonyphoenix> yeah, but it needs a gui imo...
[17:03] <JamalFanaian> loonyphoenix: it is a guy o.O
[17:03] <loonyphoenix> JamalFanaian: oh, and by the way, sorry to ask, but it's always good to make sure :) have you tried rebooting?
[17:04] <JamalFanaian> loonyphoenix: yeah i have lol
[17:04] <loonyphoenix> okay :) just checking
[17:04] <loonyphoenix> gui = graphical user interface. you know that, don't you?
[17:05] <loonyphoenix> (ubuntu-bug is a guy, not a gal :) )
[17:05] <loonyphoenix> and yeah, now that I think about it it does have a dialogue where you hit okay... but that's it
[17:06] <Q-FUNK> anyone here who works on the language writing support packs for Karmic?
[17:07] <kaddi> will grub2 be automatically installed when jaunty is upgraded to karmic? Or only for clean installs?
[17:08] <loonyphoenix> kaddi: I think you'll have to upgrade manually if you want to
[17:08] <kaddi> loonyphoenix: right now it is not installed when I upgrade to the alpha. I was wondering about the final release (should have said that :p )
[17:09] <kaddi> will it be the same?
[17:09] <Q-FUNK> kaddi: only on new installs.
[17:09] <loonyphoenix> kaddi: i was talking about the plans I heard about for the final release
[17:09] <Q-FUNK> upgrades remain with grub1
[17:09] <kaddi> loonyphoenix:  ok, good to know :) thanks
[17:10] <kaddi> thanks Q-FUNK  as well :)
[17:42] <alankila> damnit, xapian. I thought we would be rid of this nuisance. You barely squash one beast and another takes its place, as if it were a law of nature that package installations have to be slow.
[17:45] <Samuel-NotAFK> When 10.04 LTS is released, I'm going to install from CD and never change OS ever again.
[17:46] <kaddi> hehe
[17:46] <nevcairiel> ever? LTS isnt *that* long :p
[17:47] <malnilion> You might miss out on new features...
[17:50] <Samuel-NotAFK> That's why God invented backports.
[17:55] <Dark-Star> hi guys! I'm searching for the xorg.conf file and the xorg server logs on my (x)ubuntu 9.10 system. Can't find them in /etc/ nor /var/log/... any pointers?
[17:56] <bucky> maybe in /etc/X11   maybe not if you haven't created one yet
[17:56] <billybigrigger> they don't exsist
[17:57] <billybigrigger> or *it* doesn't exist is more like it
[17:57] <Dark-Star> ok so how do I find out which xserver xorg uses, which options (like xaa etc.) are set? and how do I change these options?
[17:57] <sebsebseb> Samuel-NotAFK: new file systems,  clean install for full support :)
[17:58] <shadeslayer> omg....66MB of KDE upgrades
[17:58] <Samuel-NotAFK> sebsebseb: ext4 will remain the standard file system until the next LTS
[17:58] <shadeslayer> well i hope they resolve the issues im having :(
[17:58] <sebsebseb> Samuel-NotAFK: maybe and maybe not
[17:58] <bucky> that's a good question Dark-Star,  where do you set options like XAA billybigrigger
[17:58] <kaddi> shadeslayer: srsly? I'm gonna get my cable back out again then :p Even thought wifi is working
[17:58] <sebsebseb> Samuel-NotAFK: BTFS for example
[17:58] <Dark-Star> my problem is: I have an old ATI chipset and I'm hitting 100%cpu for things like moving any window. All hints I found on the net are about setting xserver options, but I can't do that without the xorg.conf :-(
[17:58] <Samuel-NotAFK> sebsebseb: Perhaps.
[17:58] <Samuel-NotAFK> sebsebseb: I've made my prediction.
[17:59] <billybigrigger> bucky, what is XAA?
[17:59] <billybigrigger> :P
[17:59] <billybigrigger> something to do with intel or radeon i take it? :)
[17:59] <Dark-Star> radeon
[17:59] <sebsebseb> Samuel-NotAFK: also you say  when  10.04 comes out  and never clean install,  right, but  9.10 final will have default Ext4 support
[18:00] <Dark-Star> ati mobility M6 to be exact
[18:00] <billybigrigger> nvidia user here
[18:00] <sebsebseb> Samuel-NotAFK: I just want to say,   saying  that  you will never clean install is a bit silly,   since as we  just descussed file systemes, but  also  your hard disk could fail,  and then you install again on another hard disk,   or  you  might get another computer that you want to install on as well
[18:01] <shadeslayer> kaddi: yeah... http://pastebin.ca/1535301
[18:01] <kaddi> nice :/
[18:01]  * kaddi goes checking her karmic
[18:01] <nztal> use nvidia on my laptop, and ATI at home.  i'm able to install the ATI drivers as they are available at home, and i had to install the official nvidia (installer to get up and working here)
[18:01] <shadeslayer> kaddi: there was a hash mismatch error at first....updated again and it was gone
[18:02] <bucky> billybigrigger:  X Acceleration Architecture   Option "Accel"
[18:02] <shadeslayer> kaddi: btw have you tried the cover flow alt+tab thing with the slide back decoration? can you confirm if cover flow stops working after 15 min or so?
[18:02] <nztal> 9.10 even if it were not to have default ext4 support, i'm pretty sure it would be an optional filesystem
[18:03] <kaddi> shadeslayer: cover flow? what is that?
[18:03] <sebsebseb> nztal: sure same here, since it's an optional file system for 9.04
[18:03] <nztal> compiz effect
[18:03] <natewiebe13> nztal: optional if you do custom partitioning, also nvidia 190.18 drivers work from the ppa
[18:03] <shadeslayer> kaddi: :o
[18:03] <natewiebe13> cover flow works for me
[18:03] <shadeslayer> kaddi: K > system settings > desktop > Effect for window switching
[18:03] <nztal> natewiebe13, i thought i had latest nvidia which are 185 series from downloading the public installer.  is there something yet else thats newer ?
[18:04] <natewiebe13> 190.18
[18:04] <malnilion> Samuel-NotAFK, you realize that backports are only released by God until the version is deemed deprecated, yes? :P
[18:04] <shadeslayer> nztal: yeah , 190.x Beta
[18:04] <nztal> ooh thank you
[18:04] <shadeslayer> nztal: you will have to compile them
[18:04] <nztal> i wouldn't mind trying those  could you reference the PPA for me
[18:04] <shadeslayer> which is easy peasy
[18:04] <shadeslayer> nztal: no PPA
[18:04] <shadeslayer> nztal: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=990978
[18:05] <nztal> thank you
[18:05] <sebsebseb> shadeslayer: with that also being the name for a distro
[18:05] <nztal> i'll give it a shot.
[18:05]  * shadeslayer hands nztal a forum link
[18:05] <shadeslayer> sebsebseb: ??
[18:05] <shadeslayer> sebsebseb: oh easy peasy?
[18:05] <sebsebseb> shadeslayer: easy peasy is  based on  whatever Canoncial had before for netbooks or whatever
[18:05] <shadeslayer> relly?
[18:05] <sebsebseb> shadeslayer: unoffical yep
[18:05]  * shadeslayer cant help loling
[18:06] <sebsebseb> shadeslayer: http://www.distrowatch.com there's a page for it, and Ubuntu and Kubuntu of course, but  also other distros
[18:06] <kaddi> shadeslayer:ok I do know cover flow, it's just not an english system. :D What is the slide backn decoration you mentioned? A theme or another desktop effect?
[18:06] <sebsebseb> shadeslayer: by the way I hope you already know about that site :)
[18:06] <shadeslayer> sebsebseb: of course :P
[18:07] <shadeslayer> kaddi: its in the desktop settings dialog under the second tab on the top,search for " SLide Back "
[18:07] <sebsebseb> shadeslayer: it comes with  codecs and such  already instaled
[18:08] <shadeslayer> sebsebseb: i think ive heard of it,never gave it alot of attention
[18:08] <sebsebseb> shadeslayer: I  guess now days it's just way better to use  the  Ubuntu netbook remix
[18:08] <sebsebseb> shadeslayer: or maybe not way better
[18:09] <shadeslayer> sebsebseb: the most important thing i would like in 9.10 would be native mp3 support,i lose half my linux converts when i mention no native mp3 support
[18:09] <natewiebe13> nztal: use this: https://launchpad.net/~thefirstm/+archive/karmic-testing
[18:09] <sebsebseb> shadeslayer: they can't just do that, because of patents or whatever
[18:09] <spo>  Is there a good dvd ripper that rips the whole dvd without trying to shrink the dvd?   k9copy tries to shrink the dvd while ripping it... i think all other ubuntu based ones do something similra to trying to re-encode or shirnk dvd ... i think the best solution is  dvd decrypter under wine even though dvd decrypter is outdated
[18:09] <shadeslayer> sebsebseb: yeah,i know
[18:09] <natewiebe13> netbook remix is garbage
[18:09] <sebsebseb> shadeslayer: and  it's easy to take care of the  mp3 suppourt and avi and  that,   sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[18:09] <natewiebe13> just use standard ubuntu on a netbook
[18:09] <shadeslayer> natewiebe13: not the kubuntu one
[18:09] <kaddi> shadeslayer: the one that lets windows glide back if they are not in focus?
[18:09] <shadeslayer> kaddi: yep
[18:09] <sebsebseb> natewiebe13:  why do you think  that, to both things?
[18:09] <DanaG> odd.. my SCIM panel thingy is totally unthemed.
[18:10] <kaddi> ok, got it :D
[18:10] <shadeslayer> spo: try dvdrip
[18:10] <shadeslayer> !info dvdrip | spo
[18:10] <natewiebe13> remix doesnt support the new intel video card
[18:10] <shadeslayer> aww
[18:10] <natewiebe13> plus im used to standard ubuntu
[18:10] <sebsebseb> !intel |  natewiebe13
[18:10] <Twigaathy> spo: if you don't mind decrypting the DVD images again with vlc or whatever.... ddrescue is useful
[18:11] <kaddi> shadeslayer: woah... my graphics obviously aren't made for this. this just looks hilarious... which probably isn't what the developper was looking for :p
[18:11] <shadeslayer> kaddi: lol
[18:11] <natewiebe13> nztal: are you going to try the 190.18 drivers?
[18:11] <sebsebseb> natewiebe13: and they got intel fixes in Karmic  it seems
[18:11] <nztal> natewiebe13, i'd rather use the beta installer, then use a PPA unless its something well established as having been trusted.  it nice to have things in sources.list, but i'm guessing they are not screened at the same level of scrutiny as official releases
[18:11] <shadeslayer> kaddi: can you get cover flow?
[18:11] <nztal> i am natewiebe13
[18:11] <natewiebe13> nztal: im using that ppa in karmic as of now
[18:11] <shadeslayer> brb
[18:11] <natewiebe13> the 190.18 installer broke xorg for me
[18:12] <sebsebseb> natewiebe13: Intel graphics cards are bad  apparnatly though
[18:12] <natewiebe13> they are
[18:12] <natewiebe13> thats why i use nvidia and dont use a netbook :P
[18:12] <kaddi> shadeslayer: cover flow is the one where the windows go from left to right, not the one where they appear to be on a stack, right? If so yes, I can use both.. (but it's been less than 15minutes, just enabled back slide)
[18:12] <DanaG> I use ATI, and I like it.  =þ
[18:12] <sebsebseb> natewiebe13: yeah  Nivida has  good Linux suppourt,   however the driver is  closed source so hmm
[18:12] <DanaG> I use super-tab as radial switcher thingy.
[18:12] <kaddi> shadeslayer: and it's nowhere near as smooth as it is on this pc :'(
[18:13] <natewiebe13> kaddi: works just fine for me
[18:13] <DanaG> Hmm, try comparing a GeForce 4 MX to a Radeon 7500... the latter will thoroughly trounce the former, in terms of usability.
[18:13] <shadeslayer> kaddi: yep to the first question
[18:13] <natewiebe13> DanaG: just use an nvidia 260 with 216 cores.. thats what i recommend to anyone (they are now $200)
[18:13] <sebsebseb> DanaG: ATI have some open source drivers as well?
[18:14] <DanaG> Yup.  And open-source specs.
[18:14] <natewiebe13> flgrx are open?
[18:14] <DanaG> Nope,  but 'radeon' is.
[18:14] <sebsebseb> DanaG: good :)
[18:14] <kaddi> natewiebe13: I installed karmic on my 6 year old laptop with an old integrated intel chip for graphics.. It's totally normal, that animations don't run as smoothely on it as they do on my new laptop, I guess :p
[18:14] <natewiebe13> okay.. didnt know that
[18:14] <natewiebe13> true..
[18:14] <sebsebseb> DanaG: to the drivers being open and the specs
[18:14] <DanaG> Well, the 4MX is in an old spare computer... but I'd at least like to have an (even slow would be fine) compiz... as it is now, nvidia legacy just segfaults.
[18:15] <natewiebe13> nztal: let me know how you turn out
[18:15] <nztal> natewiebe13, thanks for the ppa i'll give it a shot.  dont want xorg broken.
[18:15] <natewiebe13> no probs.. ppa works 100% for me
[18:15] <sebsebseb> kaddi: well I guess it depends on  the  card  if there are issues or not with it
[18:16] <sebsebseb> kaddi: rather than cards being  from a particular company,  and then as a result having problems, all of them
[18:16] <nztal> natewiebe13, seems to have alot more than the beta nvidia driver.  do you know whos ppa it is or if its well established.  i thought i might only download the beta nvidia driver rather then let a update / dist-upgrade (upgrade) to occcur
[18:16] <sebsebseb> kaddi: in fact I just stated the obvious there
[18:17] <kaddi> hehe
[18:17] <kaddi> sebsebseb: there are definitely issues with the card in question, I have to disable ksm to get any visual output with the new kernel ;)
[18:17] <sebsebseb> kaddi: what's  ksm?
[18:17]  * shadeslayer waits for the upgrades to come through..... 
[18:17] <natewiebe13> nztal: i have all of his updates installed.. dont have problems.. what you could do, is just download the .deb files, or add to sources and use synaptic
[18:18] <nztal> can you download individual deb files from a PPA ?  could you give me a hand with that ?  i didn't know that was possible
[18:18] <natewiebe13> sure
[18:19] <natewiebe13> first make sure you're at the ppa
[18:19] <kaddi> sebsebseb: can't find the bugreport now.. I meant kms, sorry
[18:19] <shadeslayer> nztal: its only one command to compile the drivers and one to kill KDM and youre all done
[18:19] <nztal> shadeslayer, ok.  i'll try the installer.  it didn't break xorg for you ?
[18:20] <kaddi> sebsebseb: I need to boot the kernel with nomodeset to get any output
[18:20] <nztal> i have all the dependancies needed for the installer to complete
[18:20] <nztal> o
[18:20] <shadeslayer> nztal: nope
[18:21] <nztal> i'll have that a shot instead shadeslayer thanks so much :)
[18:21] <shadeslayer> nztal: i have a 8600 M GT if that helps
[18:21] <natewiebe13> shadeslyer: using 9.10 or 9.04?
[18:21] <shadeslayer> natewiebe13: 9.10
[18:21] <nztal> mine is a 8200 mobile, support starts at 8000 for the beta
[18:22]  * shadeslayer thought that would be obvious since hes in #ubuntu+1
[18:22] <shadeslayer> apparently not.....
[18:24] <natewiebe13> haha.. just checking
[18:25] <shadeslayer> kaddi: ping
[18:25] <kaddi> shadeslayer: pong
[18:25] <shadeslayer> kaddi: sorry to bother you but does plasma-desktop start automatically on login?
[18:25] <kaddi> shadeslayer: you want to know of cover flow is still working? :p
[18:25] <shadeslayer> kaddi: that too :)
[18:25] <natewiebe13> cover flow is working here
[18:26] <shadeslayer> natewiebe13: have you enabled slide back?
[18:26] <natewiebe13> let me check
[18:26] <nztal> beta works fine here, nvidia, i had all the dependancies needed since i originally got into X by installing the manual installer method.
[18:26] <kaddi> shadeslayer: coverflow is working great :p The plasma-desktop question is relevant to the latest updates or in general? I haven't updated yet
[18:26] <nztal> thanks shadeslayer
[18:26] <shadeslayer> kaddi: thatll be general...before the updates
[18:26] <shadeslayer> nztal: no problems
[18:27] <xray7224> hmm guys i can't connect to a windows 7 via smaba its asking for a password but the windows 7 machine isn't setup to ask for a password
[18:27] <natewiebe13> shadeslayer: you're talking compiz right?
[18:27] <spo> i try running dvd::rip  frontend. I start a new project, but then everything is greyed out, all the buttons and options
[18:27] <kaddi> shadeslayer: wouhou.. it just crashed when logging off..
[18:28] <kaddi> brb
[18:28] <natewiebe13> nztal: must have been a bug in the installer when i did it.. it was the day that 190.18 was released
[18:28] <shadeslayer> kaddi: yayy
[18:28] <spo> oh i figured it out
[18:29] <kaddi> shadeslayer: it's just like windows, lol. Automatic reboot :D
[18:29] <shadeslayer> lol
[18:30] <natewiebe13> shadeslayer: slide back in ccsm?
[18:30] <shadeslayer> natewiebe13: never gonna happen :P
[18:30] <kaddi> natewiebe13: pure kde here ;)
[18:30] <natewiebe13> what?
[18:30] <natewiebe13> okay
[18:30] <natewiebe13> that'd be why
[18:30] <natewiebe13> boo kde.. its to "plastic" for me
[18:31] <shadeslayer> natewiebe13: Pure KDE luv here
[18:31] <kaddi> idem
[18:31] <natewiebe13> gnome [woot]
[18:32] <shadeslayer> natewiebe13: gnome with no audio
[18:32] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:32] <kaddi> lol
[18:32] <natewiebe13> gnome with audio [woot]
[18:32] <natewiebe13> never had an audio problem
[18:33] <shadeslayer> natewiebe13: gnome with no new theme supposed to be relased in 9.04
[18:33] <natewiebe13> i use creative xfi with alsa/pulse and no probs
[18:33] <natewiebe13> "gnome with no new theme supposed to be relased in 9.04" rephrase?
[18:33]  * shadeslayer wins
[18:34] <kaddi> shadeslayer: plasma starts fine here, with the widgets and the previous windows and panels and all
[18:34] <shadeslayer> kaddi: ok try adding the microblogging client for fun and log in back again :P
[18:34] <natewiebe13> shadeslayer: well.. its funny how we're experiencing some kde problems but not gnome?
[18:35] <shadeslayer> natewiebe13: thats cuz i screwed around with too many settings
[18:35] <kaddi> shadeslayer: it's still added from trying to figure out how thtat thing is supposed to work ;)
[18:35] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:35] <natewiebe13> i mess with settings all the time.. so i dont think anyone wins here
[18:35] <natewiebe13> :P
[18:35] <shadeslayer> kaddi: lol
[18:35] <xray7224> hmm i really need accsess to the windows 7 machine =/
[18:35]  * shadeslayer shakse natewiebe13 hand
[18:36] <spo> shadesslayer, you suggest i use my console to run dvd::rip ?   the frontend of dvd::rip is mostly for re-encoding and cannot  easily do just dvd ripping, right?
[18:36] <shadeslayer> spo: um yeah
[18:36] <natewiebe13> spo: i just use wine for dvdshrink.. its easier
[18:37] <shadeslayer> wine? ugh...
[18:37] <natewiebe13> bah.. its not that bad
[18:37] <shadeslayer> natewiebe13: not another war again....
[18:37] <spo> nate, dvdshrink produces poor quality dvds  .... dvdrebuilder uses cce, whcih is much better
[18:38] <spo> sahd, what is wrong with wine?
[18:38] <shadeslayer> spo: backdoor entry for trojans and viruses if not used carefully
[18:38] <natewiebe13> used dvdshrink for backing up lotr extended, very small quality difference with a 62" lcd
[18:38] <shadeslayer> its like rm -rf,used with or withouht sudo :P
[18:39] <spo> so wine has sudo root access?
[18:40] <xray7224> no one can help with samba then ?
[18:40] <shadeslayer> spo: sure does if you run it with sudo,or thats what i read 2 months ago on the forums
[18:40] <natewiebe13> xray7224: im using samba
[18:40] <shadeslayer> xray7224: apart from the !samba thing....no :P
[18:40] <xray7224> !samba
[18:40] <spo> shadesslayer, yeah but wine is installed under a user.... ie  the .wine directory is under a user  and that user is not sudo'ed automatically
[18:40] <xray7224> natewiebe13, im trying to connect to windows 7 and i keeps asking me to login
[18:42] <natewiebe13> xray7224: trying to connect to a share?
[18:42] <spo> xray, you have to put a plaintext password on your ubuntu box   either through fstab or through fstab with a credentials file
[18:42] <nztal> i notice in karmic my laptop meter does not estimate any time remaining, just percentage remaining.  can anyone think of a solution to get some kind of countdown meter ?
[18:42] <nztal> for battery
[18:42] <spo> xray, you have to add a user to windows 7 that matches that user and password, if you have difficulties you might  need to change "Everybody" user to allow full access     ... or instead of securities tab try share tab  but there should be a permissions settings under share tab not just security
[18:42] <nztal> i had to manually define a ntfs-3g for my windows partition, because i didn't want to have to type a password every time i booted, just because i keep windows around to update firmware and bios
[18:43] <nztal> in /etc/fstab
[18:43] <natewiebe13> nztal: i thought it has to use some of the battery to estimate the time remaining.. it usually takes a few minutes on my laptop to show that..
[18:43] <DanaG> hmm, in win7, make sure "password-protected sharing" is off.
[18:43] <nztal> lot of people putting windows 7 on their computers.  wont that expire in october ?
[18:44] <nztal> natewiebe13, ooh ok thank you it might have too much remaining juice
[18:44] <DanaG> win7 will officially be released then.
[18:44] <natewiebe13> nztal: thats why you wait for a vlc to come out..\
[18:44] <natewiebe13> thats what i did with vista
[18:44] <natewiebe13> haha
[18:44] <nevcairiel> They could also have a proper license from MSDN
[18:45] <natewiebe13> anyone use 2mandvd?
[18:45]  * shadeslayer wonders what would happen if MS started a open source OS
[18:45] <natewiebe13> they wouldnt
[18:45] <shadeslayer> yeah.....it would still suck
[18:45] <kaddi> yeah but you might be able to find and fix the bugs you're experiencing :D
[18:45] <xray7224> i sware the connect button on ubuntu one doesn't do anything
[18:45] <nztal> i dont normally choose to boot into windows.  i suppose windows 7 might be nice, but i'm not sure i'd pay the heft price tag, just to have latest greatest "its still windows no matter what version" on my laptop.  tinkered with it on my fatheres office computer, it has issues like any other windows
[18:46] <shadeslayer> kaddi: like a average person would do that,and ms would commit that bug to their code
[18:46] <natewiebe13> kaddi: file a bug report
[18:46] <shadeslayer> btw does anyone take bug 1 seriously?
[18:46] <natewiebe13> nztal: its 3 times faster than vista
[18:46] <nztal> i just keep my bios and firmware updated
[18:47] <nztal> oh ?  i probably dont notice these things.  i really just need it for bios updates, firmware, and should i find work that would require a actual windows installation
[18:48] <natewiebe13> only thing i need windows for is steam
[18:48] <natewiebe13> mainly tf2
[18:48] <shadeslayer> 13 min to complete upgrade yayy :)
[18:48] <kaddi> my wifi is dead again...
[18:48] <shadeslayer> kaddi: :o
[18:48]  * kaddi suspects a loose connection in the usb-hubs :/
[18:48] <shadeslayer> kaddi: have you tried wicd?
[18:49] <nevcairiel> Win7 is actually rather nice, i do require windows for my work, and i run win7 now. It outperforms any windows before it by alot. Of course its still a windows and all, but its going a bit in the right direction of things. Good that i can still run linux on my home-laptop :D
[18:49] <natewiebe13> or nm
[18:49] <shadeslayer> oh h/w problem
[18:49] <DanaG> heh, with my laptop, I can make a FreeDOS boot USBstick to flash it.
[18:49] <shadeslayer> natewiebe13: actually,thats the only gnome thing in my KDE :P
[18:49] <nztal> can anyone assist me in determining whether a specific usb 3g device is functional in karmic ?  its got a launchpad url, and it says fixed, though i dont understand the descriptor past "fixed" and am unsure if its actually been applied to the ordinary repos, or to proposed ?  could someone take a look at that page ?
[18:49] <kaddi> shadeslayer: I've been running wicd for years now... :) both actually, the stick gets recognized, but I suspect the driver or the software isn't supporting mysteriously vanishing and reappearing software ;)
[18:49] <shadeslayer> the devs put it there....*mumble*mumble*
[18:49] <DanaG> "wifi dead again" -- wait, usb wifi?  what card?
[18:50] <shadeslayer> DanaG: looks USB :)
[18:50] <DanaG> I had issues with a Netgear WG111 (piece of .... well, it sucked.).
[18:50] <natewiebe13> shadslayer: nm used to be horrible, jaunty it actually got usable
[18:50] <shadeslayer> nztal: can you hand me the link?
[18:50] <DanaG> It tended to get scalding hot, and shut down.
[18:50] <shadeslayer> natewiebe13: i agree ( used gnome for 2 months )
[18:50] <natewiebe13> DanaG: i had the same issue
[18:51] <DanaG> I had to ndiswrap the Windows drivers and set it to max-powersave mode.
[18:51] <natewiebe13> i switched to a pci wireless N card.. $40 CAD from tigerdirect
[18:51] <kaddi> DanaG: dwl-g122 , it gets recognized in lsusb, but wicd says no wireless connections found and the card isn't listed in ifconfig
[18:51] <nztal> i can't seem to minimize my xchat.  can't get to my browser to where the link is :/
[18:52] <DanaG> hmm, anything in dmesg?
[18:52] <DanaG> try googling for the USB ID.
[18:53] <natewiebe13> shadeslayer: i used kde for about 1 month, went back to gnome.. guess we're just opposite.. meh we're still using linux [thumbs up]
[18:54] <natewiebe13> anyone use mts files?
[18:54] <kaddi> DanaG: rt73usb: probe of 1-4:1.0 failed with error -17
[18:54] <shadeslayer> natewiebe13: 2x[thumbs up]
[18:54] <shadeslayer> DanaG: i think the module was not loaded
[18:54] <nztal> shadeslayer, if i understood more about filing bug reports.  i'd be able to better offer information, i will work on that later, got some handy urls from #ubuntu-bugs.  its embarassing when you leave information, and that information doesn't show much technical detail overview.  i often dont know how to generate any logs, for whatever device it is i'm having trouble, or giving someone other than a description for application bug
[18:54] <blueskaj-laptop> finally, a nice day for sitting outside , only a few weeks of summer left in this part of the world
[18:55] <nztal> shade finally able to switch to my browser.  here is the url, i appologize for the delay.  i was stuck in xchat :)  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7804141#post7804141
[18:55] <shadeslayer> nztal: hehe,well theres a handy help page at launchpad,give it a read some time
[18:55] <nztal> ooh ok
[18:56] <DanaG> I don't like the way gnome-shell seems to be going, though.
[18:56] <DanaG> I mean, where are all my panel applets?
[18:56] <shadeslayer> blueskaj-laptop: all rain here :D
[18:56] <DanaG> I like being able to have the system monitor applet -- no others are as nice as the Gnome one.
[18:56] <blueskaj-laptop> I know some of you gnome fans are fearful of kde but konverstion is ever so much better than xchat :)
[18:57] <Twigaathy> And irssi beats both those ;)
[18:57] <nztal> DanaG, what is gnome shell ?  i'm not sure i understand what it is
[18:57] <blueskaj-laptop> shadeslayer, bummer :( , but i know the pain .
[18:57] <shadeslayer> Twigaathy: irssi ftw
[18:57] <shadeslayer> blueskaj-laptop: hehe
[18:57] <natewiebe13> mts anyone?
[18:57] <fiXXXerMet> After doing an apt-get dist-upgrade on 9.10 alpha 3 and rebooting, grub isn't booting.  How can I reinstall grub?
[18:57] <shadeslayer> fiXXXerMet: ooh its easy
[18:58] <fiXXXerMet> oOo
[18:58] <shadeslayer> fiXXXerMet: i did it today :P
[18:58] <nztal> shadeslayer, were you able to take a look at that to see if its functional under karmic ?  no worries or pressure though, i can wait as long as needed
[18:58] <DanaG> gnome-shell is gnome 3.0 work-in-progress.
[18:58] <shadeslayer> fiXXXerMet: http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide
[18:58] <nztal> ooh got it.  yes i lost the ability to drag icons to my top panel.  right click will send them there though
[18:58] <shadeslayer> nztal: yeah,im kinda overloaded :P hold on ill have a look
[18:59] <nztal> shadeslayer, take your time.  i'll be here for a good 30 minutes or so
[18:59] <kaddi> DanaG: this is my dmesg output: http://nopaste.com/p/aoNt3OVUG something is obviously crashing
[18:59] <shadeslayer> fiXXXerMet: you just need to chroot into the system and run update-grub & grub-install
[19:00] <shadeslayer> nztal: This bug was fixed in the package linux - 2.6.31-4.20
[19:00] <shadeslayer> nztal: means that the patch was included in that kernel
[19:01] <DanaG> usb 1-3: USB disconnect, address 7
[19:01] <DanaG> hmm, is it on a powered hub?
[19:01] <DanaG> Looks like perhaps a loss-of-power issue?
[19:01] <nztal> fiXXXerMet, there are instruction for doing that -- chrooting into / and getting any os probed and applying the grub-install to your device.  i found a tutorial on a ubuntu help page googling for that last night
[19:01] <blueskaj-laptop> fiXXXerMet, the default time out is 0 for some reason after upgrading. If you have a live cd then you can access your /bootgrub/menu.lst and change timeout to 5secs or so then your grub menu should appear at boot up
[19:01] <shadeslayer> nztal: run : uname -a : to see what kernel you have and reopen the bug report to report any problems
[19:01] <nztal> oooh awesome
[19:02] <fiXXXerMet> nztal / shadeslayer / blueskaj-laptop:  Going to try all of these options.  Will let you know what works.
[19:02] <kaddi> DanaG: what is a powered hub? They are inbuilt usb-hubs in my laptop, but as mentioned before, i think they have a loose connection
[19:02] <DanaG> here's something annoying: package qt4-qtconfig .... command qtconfig-qt4.
[19:02] <nztal> i'm at 2.6.31-6 so as long as there is no problem, hopefully there wont be.  the device should happen to work
[19:02] <DanaG> hmm, you could try moving it to an extension cable?  beats me.
[19:02] <shadeslayer> nztal: yeah
[19:03]  * shadeslayer wonders why nickcolor is coloring all the nicks as red
[19:03] <nztal> i used an alternate of the daily build to get karmic installed on my laptop the live cd would render no graphics.   since i could get to a terminal, the nvidia installer saved me.  i had the necessary documentation locally on my hard drive, for the packages needed for that to work
[19:03] <shadeslayer> blueskaj-laptop: except for yours,yours is pink :P
[19:04] <blueskaj-laptop> shadeslayer, pink hmm ... never knew i was a commie
[19:04] <kaddi> DanaG:  it's working with an extension cable, it would just be nice to be able to disconnect and reconnect the stick, otherwise I can't get wifi on the laptop :p
[19:04] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:05] <shadeslayer> blueskaj-laptop: maybe the script likes  your nick :P
[19:07] <blueskaj-laptop> shadeslayer, pink on irssi eh, you must be using the designer version :)
[19:07] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:09] <shadeslayer> blueskaj-laptop: http://imagebin.ca/view/rvVstdVx.html
[19:10] <kaddi> shadeslayer:  what font are you using for menus?
[19:10] <shadeslayer> kaddi: purisa
[19:10] <kaddi> hehe, looks like we had the same idea :p
[19:11] <kaddi> I thought it looked familiar XD
[19:11] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:11] <shadeslayer> i really like that font
[19:11] <kaddi> me too, but it gets "to much" when you use it for everything
[19:11] <shadeslayer> kaddi: really? i liked it so much everything is purissa
[19:12] <kaddi> shadeslayer: I was using as a font in konversation on time and that was definitely to much.
[19:12] <shadeslayer> kaddi: btw warning : broken packages as of now :)
[19:13] <shadeslayer> kaddi: for :   kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-dev libplasma3
[19:13] <kaddi> shadeslayer: my wifi ain't wokring no risks :p
[19:13] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:13] <shadeslayer> brb
[19:15] <natewiebe13> where does ubuntu mount image files?
[19:17] <kaddi> natewiebe13: chances are it is at /media/iso
[19:18] <natewiebe13> no its under archive://
[19:18] <natewiebe13> which is weird
[19:18] <kaddi> indeed
[19:18] <Pici> natewiebe13: How did you mount it?
[19:19] <Pici> natewiebe13: Please do not crosspost your questions both here and #ubuntu.  If you are running Karmic then you need to keep your questions in here.
[19:30] <natewiebe13> Pici: im on karmic and jaunty, i was trying to answer for a guy, the way that you would mount an iso are the same on karmic and jaunty
[19:30] <natewiebe13> but im curious myself why its showing in archive://
[19:30] <natewiebe13> i mounted with "archive mounter"
[19:30] <Pici> natewiebe13: Karmic and Jaunty are not the same, nor do they run the same version of Gnome
[19:31] <natewiebe13> Pici: why is it showing in archive:// and just so you know.. mounting an iso gives me the same result in both 9.10 and 9.04 even thought they are different versions of gnome
[19:32] <scizzo-> natewiebe13: this occurs on both the systems?
[19:32] <natewiebe13> yes
[19:33] <scizzo-> natewiebe13: and you have checked under /media/ ?
[19:33] <natewiebe13> so i figured it would be the same idea for both karmic and jaunty.. Pici is just being a prick.. no its not under /media
[19:34] <Pici> natewiebe13: Excuse me? I'
[19:34] <Pici> natewiebe13: Excuse me? I'm just making sure that you're following our channel policies.  There is no need for name calling here.
[19:34] <Pici> !codeofconduct | natewiebe13
[19:35] <natewiebe13> i knew id get told on that one.. next time dont come across guessing like that
[19:36] <natewiebe13> im having the same thing on both
[19:36] <natewiebe13> usually support is better on this channel becuase #ubuntu if filled with novice users
[19:37] <scizzo-> natewiebe13: and you have checked ~/.gvfs/ ?
[19:37] <natewiebe13> i'll check
[19:37] <scizzo-> natewiebe13: no matter what if you have karmic then you go here otherwise its in #ubuntu....
[19:37] <natewiebe13> Pici: plus you dont need to tell me that karmic and jaunty are the same
[19:38] <natewiebe13> *are not
[19:38] <natewiebe13> scizzo-: thanks, thats where it is.. its just getting linked by archive://
[19:54] <xray7224> im having issue connecting to windows 7 using samba it keeps asking me for the username and password yet windows 7 has it setup not to requre that
[19:55] <suit> Can anyone explain to me what an {a} or {u} behind a package when installing/removing via aptitude means? Example: "The following packages will be REMOVED: language-support-translations-en{a}"
[19:56] <Spirits-Sight> does any one where I can find the change from mythbuntu 9.10
[20:15] <skazi21101> can somebody give suggestion to this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/416082
[20:17] <billybigrigger> do you see the device now?
[20:17] <billybigrigger> check your fstab
[20:17] <billybigrigger> make sure the UUID's match?
[20:18] <skazi21101> no
[20:18] <skazi21101> ubuntu don`t see it
[20:19] <skazi21101> billybigrigger: what you talking about?
[20:21] <billybigrigger> open up /etc/fstab
[20:21] <billybigrigger> find the line that has your cd or dvdrw, and find its UUID
[20:21] <billybigrigger> then make your way to /dev/disk/by-uuid/ and see if its listed
[20:21] <DanaG> umm, cd drives depend on what's inside them.
[20:21] <DanaG> fixed disks and CD drives are different.
[20:22] <billybigrigger> ahh
[20:22] <billybigrigger> no uuid for cd drives
[20:22] <skazi21101> there is this entry in fstasb
[20:22] <billybigrigger> /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[20:22] <skazi21101> yap. i have
[20:22] <skazi21101> /dev/sg0
[20:23] <billybigrigger> paste your fstab line here
[20:23] <billybigrigger> just the single line, not the whole fstab
[20:23] <billybigrigger> :)
[20:23] <skazi21101> i don`t have /dev/scd(or scr or sdb)
[20:23] <skazi21101> just a minute
[20:24] <skazi21101> /dev/sg0        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[20:24] <billybigrigger> look in /dev/ does sg0 exists?
[20:24] <skazi21101> exist
[20:25] <skazi21101> but when i try to mount device. it says that its not block device
[20:25] <billybigrigger> do you have anything inside the drive?
[20:25] <skazi21101> dvd disk
[20:26] <billybigrigger> and what happends when you $ cd /media/cdrom0
[20:26] <billybigrigger> and do an ls
[20:26] <skazi21101> i`m not so stupid as you can think. nothing in /media/cdrom0
[20:27] <skazi21101> oh i forgot
[20:27] <kaddi> skazi21101: do you have a cdrom under /dev/?
[20:28] <skazi21101> when system see cd-drive it sayd that it connected to /dev/scr0
[20:28] <skazi21101> kaddi: where else it can be connected&
[20:28] <billybigrigger> mount /dev/scr0 to /media/cdrom then
[20:28] <kaddi> skazi21101: maybe do a ls -l cdrom* and ls -l dvd* and see what device they point to
[20:29] <kaddi> in /dev/ that is
[20:30] <skazi21101> billybigrigger: there is no /dev/scr0 it was when ubuntu see my cd-drive
[20:30] <skazi21101> now there is no this device.
[20:31] <shadeslayer> hmmm i have a black screen with no plasma and just krunner
[20:31] <kaddi> alt+f2 plasma-desktop isn't helping?
[20:31] <shadeslayer> any idea on getting plasma-desktop to load up automatical;y
[20:31] <shadeslayer> kaddi: apart from that....
[20:32] <kaddi> ah, well, you never know ;)
[20:32] <shadeslayer> getting it to autostart
[20:37] <DanaG> "sg" is scsi generic -- not a block device.
[20:47] <freinhard> hi!
[20:47] <freinhard> anyone else with broken graphics on intel? (855gm)
[21:07] <aboSamoor> it seems that after gnome login the background is resized twice. By the way, I experience more than 5 flickers in the startup while after alpha2 I did not any flickers !
[21:10] <shadeslayer> hmm.....my keyboard types in caps when the caps lock is off and in normal case when its on 0.o
[21:11] <blueskaj-laptop> can someone else check www.medibuntu.org|87.98.242.110|:80 , this is the  ' Any Ubuntu Release and keyring" url
[21:12] <DanaG> mmm, gotta' love the hideously ugly flickery xsplash.
[21:13] <shadeslayer> DanaG: i have xplash,but it doesnt start....usplash all the way
[21:13] <DanaG> xsplash is the default-wallpapery thing that appears before and after the login screen.
[21:13] <DanaG> It's especially noticeable if you change the gdm wallpaper to something different.
[21:13] <shadeslayer> DanaG: i have kdm
[21:14] <DanaG> hmm, I was commenting more for aboSamoor.
[21:14] <shadeslayer> btw there was a command to reconfigure the keyboard......
[21:14] <blueskaj-laptop> ok, medibunu is obviously down ..bbl
[21:16] <aboSamoor> DanaG, I had a different wallpaper so I thought maybe changing to the default one will eliminate the problem, but it seems independent.
[21:16] <DanaG> yeah, it's just more noticeable, because it flickers to different images instead of the same one.  It's pretty awful.
[21:16] <aboSamoor> anyway, I can remember how cool to have non-flickering login
[21:16] <DanaG> you can dpkg-divert xsplash out of the way...
[21:17] <DanaG> sudo dpkg-divert --local --add --rename /usr/bin/xsplash
[21:17] <DanaG> and if you see them fix it some time, do the same command but with remove instead of add.
[21:45] <dtchen> for people itching to test pulse 0.9.16-test5, it has been available since early AM today in the ~ubuntu-audio-dev ppa
[21:45] <dtchen> i'll e-mail ubuntu-devel-discuss shortly
[21:46] <blueskaj-laptop> dtchen, a new pulseaudio?
[21:47] <mac_v> dtchen: what does the "alert volume" in the sound prefs control?
[21:47] <mac_v> login sounds?
[21:48] <dtchen> mac_v: system sounds
[21:48] <dtchen> blueskaj-laptop: yes, 0.9.16-test5
[21:48] <mac_v> shadeslayer: xsplah is still in development , when done , it will start from boot
[21:49] <blueskaj-laptop> dtchen, what's your experience been with it so far ?
[21:49] <mac_v> dtchen: the xchat pings and other errors/warnings , right?
[21:50] <dtchen> blueskaj-laptop: given how i just uploaded it fifteen hours ago, well, it hasn't had enough time to shake out
[21:51] <dtchen> blueskaj-laptop: generally positive, however.
[21:51] <blueskaj-laptop> dtchen, right, understood :)
[21:51] <dtchen> blueskaj-laptop: a vocal minority seems to abhor flatvol, but whatever.
[21:51] <hggdh> dtchen, ping -- PV?
[21:52] <dtchen> hggdh: "PV"?
[21:52] <hggdh> private?
[21:52] <dtchen> hggdh: sure
[21:53] <mac_v> dtchen: is Bug #411962 fixed?
[21:55] <blueskaj-laptop> dtchen, i'm still a bit confused , why I was getting error messages that said pulseaudio is not working , falling back to cmedia - soundcard..yet I have no sound probs whatsoever . Is the soundserver using a kernel module that detects my pci card output or... ?
[21:56] <dtchen> blueskaj-laptop: are you using a fresh install of kubuntu with or without pulseaudio?
[21:59] <blueskaj-laptop> I  have pulseaudio listed in systemsettings/media and it makes difference whether it's installed or not, I still have good audio on my pc. This laptop is working ok and I'm not really concerned about it atm.
[22:00] <blueskaj-laptop> no difference
[22:01] <blueskaj-laptop> dtchen, my pc is an upgrade to karmic, not a fresh install
[22:03] <redvamp128> okay I have a question about upgrading-- I have 9.04 installed on 2 partitions Grub is on Sda1 -- the one I want to upgrade is on SDb2 will an upgrade move my boot to the upgrade or will it just edit/add itself/change on Sda1-- I would prefer to keep grub on the first drive.
[22:05] <dtchen> blueskaj-laptop: that error really looks like the pulseaudio daemon wasn't running
[22:06] <dtchen> blueskaj-laptop: i'll be uploading qt4-x11 to the ~ubuntu-audio-dev with a priority change to phonon to place alsa secondary (after pulseaudio) if pulseaudio is detected at install
[22:08] <redvamp128> anyone have any idea if an upgrade will change where the boot files are ...
[22:09] <redvamp128> at one time the boot was on that dive but I installed on the sda1 over my hardy with 9.04 and it put grub there which is where I want it.
[22:10] <dtchen> redvamp128: if it doesn't retain your current setting, it's a bug. please file one.
[22:11] <dtchen> meaning, although i tested with a quite similar config and it worked for me, you might trigger some heisenbug
[22:11] <redvamp128> I was just wondering before I was going to do it seems though that when it did/was on the second drive grub was slower
[22:11] <redvamp128> Sda1 is a 40gig 72,000rpm drive and Sdb1 is a 20gig 54,000rpm drive
[22:12] <redvamp128> Initially I had hardy on the 40 and decided to install Jaunty on the 20 to make sure it was stable.... and when I found out that it worked flawless I installed over my Hardy on the 40-
[22:13] <redvamp128> So now I have 2 Jaunty's and was thinking about upgrading the 20gig to Karmic -- but the main concern was would it change the placement of my Grub
[22:15] <blueskaj-laptop> dtchen, ok i'll make sure pulse is installed before upgrading from the ppa you posted, thanks again :)
[22:15] <redvamp128> okay another stupid question--   to upgrade--  boot to that install -- make sure it is set to normal releases.. then terminal -- upgrade-manager -d  and karmic should then show up on the upgrade manager
[22:15] <Twigaathy> The system works!
[22:16] <Twigaathy> !bug 415632
[22:23] <blueskaj-laptop> redvamp128, alt+f2 then type  upgrade-manager -d , then the GUI should show up, but make sure you have  upgrade-manager -d installed first.
[22:25] <DanaG> dtchen: the PulseAudio pm-utils script seems to  be blocking suspend.
[22:25] <DanaG> /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/01PulseAudio
[22:25] <DanaG>     ps -C pulseaudio -o uid= | tr ' ' '#'
[22:25] <DanaG>             echo set-sink-mute $j true | sudo -H -u \#$i pacmd &> /dev/null
[22:26] <DanaG> That gives ##1000
[22:26] <DanaG> ... i.e. there are two pound signs.
[22:26] <BUGabundo> hey everyone
[22:27] <dtchen> DanaG: ok, i'll kill the tr
[22:27] <DanaG> Might want tr -d ' '
[22:27] <DanaG> otherwise you'd get # 1000
[22:28] <DanaG> hmm, for my odd behavior of my USB sound card... since that's upstream, where would I file the bug?  alsa-project, or kernel.org?
[22:29]  * cwillu pokes BUGabundo 
[22:29] <dtchen> DanaG: either
[22:29] <BUGabundo> hey my guud friend
[22:29] <BUGabundo> miss you !!!
[22:29]  * BUGabundo [[]]] cwillu
[22:30] <BUGabundo> sooooo is pidgin 2.6 packged
[22:30] <BUGabundo> ?
[22:30] <DanaG> speaking of koala:  http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/funny-pictures-cat-is-koala.jpg   =þ
[22:30] <BUGabundo> or will I have to use getdeb one from joaopinto?
[22:30] <DanaG> yeah, random single off-topic bit.
[22:30] <DanaG> hmm, getdeb one doesn't have voice and video.
[22:30] <BUGabundo> DanaG: ehehe
[22:30] <DanaG> there's somebody's ppa with pidgin 2.6.0 for Jaunty.
[22:30] <BUGabundo> I have the oficial pidgin team ppa
[22:30] <joaopinto> vv is not in because it would require library upgrades
[22:31] <joaopinto> which could break other things, like empathy
[22:31] <BUGabundo>      1:2.5.8-1ubuntu2~pidgin1.9.10 0
[22:31] <BUGabundo>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net karmic/main Packages
[22:31] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: who the heck cares about empathy?
[22:31] <BUGabundo> lOLOLOL
[22:31] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, :P
[22:41] <kavurt> I installed empathy on Kubuntu. When I try to call someone it crashes. Can something be done?
[22:47] <joaopinto> kavurt, yes, you can check if its already reported on launchpad, if it's not, report it
[22:48] <kavurt> joaopinto: I already reported. But I wasn't sure if it's a bug. Thanks
[22:48] <melomane> hi, i installed kbuntu karmic alpha 4, and when i want to open my ntfs partitions i get this error: an error occured while accessing 'my drive', the system responded: org.freedesktop.hal.device.volume.invalidmountoption: the option 'locale=en_US.utf-8' is not allowed for uid=1000
[22:49] <melomane> i tried to pen them with dolphin as root, but the problem exists
[22:50] <joaopinto> kavurt, if it crashes, it's a bug
[22:51] <BUGabundo> not really
[22:51] <BUGabundo> could be user bad conf
[22:51] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:51] <kavurt> what do you mean?
[22:52] <redvamp128> sorry had to reboot got the latest kernel update for jaunty-- So in order to upgrade the 20gig Jaunty to Karmic-- get all the updates-- make sure it is set for normal releases in the update manger-- then terminal -- type "update-manager -d" and karmic should then show up right (just want to make sure that is the way to update) Should I also switch off the restricted drivers??? I had a nightmare of a Hardy to intrepid where I had t
[23:21] <simba_> so i have been running karmic UNR for a coupple of weeks now......in the beginning everything worked perfectly....but after a coupple of updates i cant get sound out of my head set any more....main speakers work if headset is not plugged inn....any ideas?
[23:41] <histo> Is blacklist.conf not working in karmic? I tried adding intel_agp and agpgart to it but it still gets loaded.
[23:41] <histo> I need to get them blacklisted so I can boot with my other video card.
[23:43] <histo> well i've added i915 to the blacklist i'm going to reboot now. Hopefully It will work.
[23:43] <histo> I have serious doubts though brb
[23:48] <histo> nope still getting kernel panic.
[23:48] <histo> God this is so annoying.
[23:50] <robin0800> histo: run sudo depmod -a and sudo update-initramfs -u
[23:51] <histo> robin0800: prior to rebooting?
[23:51] <DanaG> I also had to dpkg-divert the i1915 module out of the way.
[23:51] <robin0800> histo:  yes
[23:52] <histo> robin0800: let me try again. I thought it used the blacklist.conf on boot
[23:57] <histo> ty robin0800 it worked I thought it read the file on boot aparently not.
[23:57] <histo> update-initramfs did the trick
[23:58] <robin0800> histo: your welcome