[01:37] <dashua> kwwii, Ah no worries.  Thx. :)
[03:07] <mrdoob> mac_v: you there?
[05:39] <mac_v> dashua: hmm... you made the border darker , it works but the think the lighter one was better ,can pixmaps be used for the bottom border? to avoid the jagged edge?
[05:39] <mac_v> i think*
[11:18] <mrdoob> good morning
[11:37] <mrdoob> mat_t: so there you have the lit version
[11:38] <mrdoob> Hopefully people can see that there is more on that design than "Oh! it's purple!", and hopefully people will do their own colour version that suit better Ubuntu.
[11:46] <thorwil> mrdoob: your user list is damn sleek and it connects to the background thanks to the well placed shadow. instead of being somewhat of an alien object
[11:48] <mrdoob> :D
[11:48] <mrdoob> yeah, shadows make things easier
[11:48] <mrdoob> than spotlights
[11:50] <mrdoob> I'm not 100% happy with it how the panel looks tho, not totally resolved
[11:50] <mrdoob> but it can be worked out
[11:53] <thorwil> last time i tried to open a psd in gimp it wasn't possible at all
[11:53] <thorwil> but this one opens in gimp 2.6.6
[11:54] <thorwil> as result i mainly see green from Layer 4 and a mix of elements, though
[11:56] <thorwil> mrdoob: is Layer 4 supposed to have some special layer mode / effect applied to it?
[11:57] <mrdoob> uh, I can't remember which one it is, and I don't have photoshop here :S
[11:57] <mrdoob> plus, gimp doesn't have folders
[11:57] <mrdoob> (as far as I know)
[11:57] <mrdoob> I usually only name folders
[11:58] <mrdoob> how the he..
[11:58] <mrdoob> ok ok, I'll leave gimp alone
[11:58] <thorwil> yes. that's why i ask, because i can only guess a feature that gimp can't map was used
[11:59] <thorwil> Layer 4 is just a complete fill in olive green with some variation in the middle and top right
[11:59] <mrdoob> ah
[11:59] <mrdoob> yes
[11:59] <mrdoob> that's supposed to be like that
[11:59] <mrdoob> It's just a texture
[12:00] <mrdoob> to give some colours
[12:00] <mrdoob> it's supposed to be used in overlay or something like that
[12:00] <mrdoob> that was originally a sand picture
[12:00] <mrdoob> that I blurred a lot
[12:01] <mrdoob> It should be bigger (if you move it to the left)
[12:11] <mat_t> mrdoob: hi
[12:12] <AnAnt> Hello, is there an intention to make a theme for new GDM in ubuntu ?
[12:12] <mat_t> AnAnt: yes, we're just about to start working on it
[12:13] <mat_t> mrdoob: I love the depth and the gdm styling, the bg color is "a bit" over the top :)
[12:15] <mat_t> mrdoob: would be nice to see a version with a more gentle background
[12:15] <thorwil> i'm working on one
[12:15] <AnAnt> mat_t: is there a repository or wiki that I can look at ?
[12:16] <mat_t> AnAnt: are you interesting in helping with technical implementation or design?
[12:17] <AnAnt> mat_t: I want to make a theme, but I dunno how
[12:17] <mat_t> thorwil: great
[12:17] <AnAnt> mat_t: what do you  mean by technical implementation ?
[12:18] <mat_t> AnAnt: I'd probably ask thorwil or mac_v to help you get started
[12:18] <AnAnt> thorwil: is your work available online ?
[12:19]  * mat_t > lunch
[12:19] <AnAnt> I want to know how to make a theme for new GDM
[12:19] <thorwil> AnAnt: are you familiar with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot?
[12:20] <mrdoob> mat_t: I'm not going to do anything more. Feel free to play with gimp/photoshop to reach a version that you like.
[12:20] <AnAnt> thorwil: ah, looking at it now, thanks
[12:21] <mrdoob> mat_t: but glad to know you liked the style
[12:23] <AnAnt> thorwil: these are just mockups, right ?
[12:23] <thorwil> yes
[12:27] <AnAnt> thorwil: aren't there any actual themes that I can take as an example ?
[12:29] <AnAnt> usplash isn't used at startup anymore ?
[12:30] <thorwil> AnAnt: sure. but i'm not sure about changes and incompatibilities between the used gdm versions
[12:31] <AnAnt> thorwil: where can I get them ?
[12:31] <thorwil> AnAnt: can't help you with that
[12:32] <AnAnt> well, is there a wiki where I get info how to make a theme for new GDM ?
[12:34] <thorwil> AnAnt: i would simply search for gdm documentation and check whether it applies to the version that will be shipped with karmic
[12:36] <mac_v> AnAnt: AFAIK the new theme is not very customizable , it is hardcoded
[12:36] <mac_v> gdm *
[12:37] <AnAnt> mac_v: ah, you mean those themes will be hardcoded into GDM ?
[12:37] <AnAnt> so branding won't be easy
[12:39] <mac_v> AnAnt: the gdm code had been changed more than a year ago by upstream, ubuntu had not implemented the new gdm to allow users select the themes , the gdm graphical tool is being done as an ubuntu initiative > Bug #395299
[12:40] <mac_v> AnAnt: so users, as of now, wont be able to easily toggle gdm themes
[12:40] <AnAnt> mac_v: aha, thanks
[12:41] <AnAnt> mac_v: does that also apply to boot splash ? I read on this wiki (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot), that it won't be usplash, but rather X based
[12:43] <mac_v> AnAnt: yes default is only xsplash ,  but you can change it ;) to usplash if you want , the xplash coding isnt fully clear ... BTW, what is it you are actually looking for?
[12:44] <mac_v> AnAnt: changing only for personal use ? or to make themes for users?
[12:46] <AnAnt> mac_v: for users
[12:46] <AnAnt> mac_v: I'm working on a distro based on Ubuntu
[12:48] <mac_v> AnAnt: if you want to change the default for your distro , you could do that , but the users selecting/changing the themes for gdm is not easy ; xsplash i'm not sure
[12:50] <mac_v> AnAnt: which distro, may i ask ?
[12:50] <AnAnt> sabily
[12:51] <AnAnt> mac_v: so, how can I change boot splash from xplash to usplash ?
[12:52] <mac_v> AnAnt: i'm not sure of that, most of others here wouldnt know the technical details either , you could ask #ubuntu+1 ,someone might know
[12:53] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[12:53] <mac_v> AnAnt: my guess would be just replace xsplash with usplash
[12:53] <mac_v> np
[12:54] <mac_v> mrdoob: gave up on the boot ? ;p
[13:25] <mat_t> mrdoob: no worries, thanks a lot for your input!
[13:28] <mac_v> mat_t: could you add some intro to this page? as to how it should be directed and stuff > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Login
[13:37] <thorwil> http://www.blendernation.com/tutorial-painting-time-lapse-by-david-revoy/
[13:38] <mat_t> mac_v: there you go
[13:39] <mac_v> mat_t: thanx :)
[13:40] <mac_v> mat_t: you might wanna inform the mailing list about this page, to get more ideas
[13:41]  * mac_v going to be killed soon ;p
[13:44] <mrdoob1> mac_v: no no, haven't give up the boot. It's just that I have other things to do, learning Android/OpenGL ES at the moment :D
[13:44] <mrdoob1> mat_t: you're welcome, I hope I was any use
[14:23] <thorwil> mac_v: i said you should talk with mat_t, not get him to do all the work ;)
[14:24] <mac_v> thorwil: sssh!
[14:24] <mac_v> :0
[14:25] <mac_v> thorwil: actually i didnt know what direction he would want :( , also the mail to the list is out of my league
[14:47] <mat_t> thorwil: that was just ctrl+v, not to worry :)
[14:50]  * mac_v was feeling bad for over-burdening mat_t :/
[14:50] <mac_v> hmm...
[14:53]  * SiDi yawns
[14:54]  * mat_t does not undertake any tasks that actually involve work
[14:54] <mat_t> (with few exceptions)
[14:54] <SiDi> like, when it's Canonical who asks ? :P
[14:57] <mac_v> mat_t: could you send the mail to the list about the gdm ideas? :)
[14:57]  * mat_t has a bit of a weak spot for sabdfl, true
[14:57] <mat_t> mac_v: no
[14:57] <mac_v> ah well...
[14:57] <mat_t> ;)
[14:58] <mat_t> mac_v: I'll get kwwii to do some work when he gets back from his undeserved holidays
[14:58] <mac_v> lol
[14:59] <mac_v> mat_t: he was here yesterday
[14:59] <SiDi> mat_t: we can manage to not let him leave France, and then you're forced to work
[15:00] <mat_t> SiDi: sounds great
[15:07] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=mrdoob_07_tw_splash.png
[15:08] <SiDi> That's... bright
[15:09]  * thorwil wonders if SiDi is, too
[15:09] <mac_v> thorwil: needs more shadow
[15:09] <mac_v> for the logo
[15:11] <mrdoob> thorwil: maybe you should put your iteration under the comments to avoid confusion
[15:12] <mrdoob> interesting edit by the way
[15:12] <mrdoob> a shame the throbber (however it's spelled) is lost in the f0f0f0 range :S
[15:13] <thorwil> mrdoob: dang, i actually meant to place that after the comments
[15:13] <mrdoob> :]
[15:15] <mrdoob> a benefit of using only black/grey version of the logo
[15:16] <mrdoob> is that the integration with the environment is cheap, if you think about light refraction
[15:16] <mrdoob> in your design the logo perhaps doesn't fit much because the environment doesn't get affected by it
[15:16] <mac_v> thorwil: hehe... i think the boot fits perfectly for mint linux
[15:17] <mrdoob> meaning this: http://graphics.ucsd.edu/~henrik/images/imgs/cbox_spectral.jpg
[15:18] <thorwil> mrdoob: i tried all white. didn't work. all black is too harsh
[15:18] <thorwil> mrdoob: there actually is slight coloration from the background on the logo
[15:18] <thorwil> mrdoob: you wouldn't see much in the other direction with real objects in such a setting
[15:19] <mrdoob> well on the bottom
[15:19] <mrdoob> actually
[15:19] <mrdoob> I should have also shared the 3D file I did for generating the background...
[15:19] <mat_t> thorwil: uh, everything but green please... :)
[15:19] <mrdoob> what's with the competition with Mint?
[15:20] <thorwil> mat_t: no lighter brown tones, no orange, no yellow. no purple or pink. to cold tones and now also no green
[15:20] <thorwil> great
[15:20] <mrdoob> haha
[15:21] <mrdoob> mat_t: sounds like a proper client
[15:21] <mat_t> :)
[15:21] <mrdoob> thorwil: an idea I had to avoid all the colour bullshit thing would be to make it multicolour
[15:21] <mrdoob> something like this
[15:21] <mrdoob> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/UbuntuColorsIcons?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=themesthumb.png
[15:22] <mrdoob> more subtle of course
[15:23] <thorwil> mrdoob: i have been a proponent of a 2 or 3 tone approach since long. actually my edit contains green, beige and blue tones
[15:24] <mrdoob> ops... str_replace("buillshit","annoyance");
[15:24] <thorwil> mrdoob: no, it was right and now is wrong ;)
[15:25] <mrdoob> haha
[15:25] <mrdoob> svn revert
[15:26] <thorwil> i thought a bit about a non-center position for the logo. golden section. following account selection would be tricky to layout, though
[15:27] <mrdoob> that is tricky if you don't have much control of the target resolution
[15:27] <thorwil> mrdoob: you mentioned a 3d file. blender?
[15:27] <mrdoob> center is safe
[15:27] <mrdoob> thorwil: unfortunatelly 3dsmax :(
[15:28] <mrdoob> I could have done it in blender, I haven't used to it yet, can I import .svg to blender?
[15:28] <thorwil> yes
[15:29] <mrdoob> uhm, right, I wasted more time installing illustrator for converting the .svg to .ai and then importing on .max than learning blender and importing .svg
[15:29] <mrdoob> :(
[15:29] <thorwil> not sure about that
[15:29] <thorwil> first steps into blender are hard
[15:29] <mrdoob> but it isn't much, it's a wall/floor with round connection
[15:30] <mrdoob> and 3 lights
[15:30] <mrdoob> at first I had the logo in 3d too, but I redid then I rendered the background alone and redid the logo/shadow on photoshop
[15:30] <mrdoob> to have more control
[15:31] <thorwil> just yesterday i started to do the same in blender
[15:32] <thorwil> light setup showed to be tricky
[15:32] <thorwil> have to cut and get other things done :/
[15:37] <mrdoob> know the feeling :)
[16:17] <mrdoob> natewiebe13: hello
[16:17] <natewiebe13> hey
[16:21] <mrdoob> how did you ended up doing the video?
[16:23] <natewiebe13> blender
[16:23] <natewiebe13> haha
[16:24] <natewiebe13> i didnt care about quality, just about getting the point across
[16:40] <mrdoob> natewiebe13: oh, didn't know blender could do that
[16:40] <mrdoob> the problem is, I don't think you make it clear enough to show your point
[16:40] <mrdoob> the boot eats 80% of your video
[16:40] <mrdoob> and that's the fastes boot I did
[16:41] <mrdoob> so your part goes too fast and is hard to understand what you're trying to communicate
[16:41] <mrdoob> (I think)
[16:57] <natewiebe13> i know.. i havent had time to change it yet.. i had 10 minutes to throw something together and throw it up
[16:58] <natewiebe13> when i have time. im going to redo it
[17:01] <mrdoob> cool
[17:11] <FLOZz> Hello all  _o/
[17:23] <natewiebe13> mrdoob: have you seen MadsRH edit to your iteration 6?
[17:24] <mrdoob> yep
[17:24] <mrdoob> I'm starting to think that it's way to saturated
[17:33] <natewiebe13> a bit, but it think that the ubuntu logo needs to be colored and not just black
[17:33] <natewiebe13> kind of like thorwil's edit
[17:33] <natewiebe13> but i very much like the mockup
[17:34] <mrdoob> :)
[19:58] <natewiebe13> mac_v: i like your splash's
[19:59] <natewiebe13> mac_v: but i think you should do an orange one.. MadsRH's is too dark/saturated, if you were to do an orange one.. i think it would be the best.. but good job btw.
[20:07] <mac_v> natewiebe13: mat said he didnt want tan or brown  , and orange falls a bit close , anyway ,if the design team wants to do an orange one the surely could do one , but they seems to have some other plans
[20:08] <natewiebe13> yeah.. i really dont like what they've been spitting out
[20:08] <natewiebe13> madsrh and mrdoob have the best ones (also said by many comments) why dont they just listen to the community?