[05:18] <micahg> ping hggdh
[05:48] <micahg> bdmurray: LP teams and karma is broken in edge
[05:49] <micahg> bdmurray: for the improvements extension
[05:51] <bdmurray> yeah, I looked at it some today but haven't figured it out yet
[05:53] <micahg> ok
[05:53] <micahg> just wanted to let you know
[05:55] <bdmurray> thanks
[06:10] <micahg> bdmurray: where do I file bugs for the status.qa pages?
[06:10] <bdmurray> umm, how about qa-website?
[06:10] <micahg> ok
[06:10] <micahg> didn't know that existed
[06:11] <bdmurray> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/
[07:12] <micahg> is there an easy way to install all dbg or dbgsym packages for a program?
[07:13] <mac_v> micahg: what do you mean by all ?
[07:14] <micahg> all the packages required to get a proper backtrace
[07:14] <micahg> maybe I'll just upload it to LP
[07:14] <micahg> this is too much work :)
[07:14] <mac_v> AFAIK , each program has only one dbg
[07:15] <micahg> yes, but every program it's based on also has one
[07:17] <mac_v> oh for that, hmm...
[07:18] <mac_v> micahg: bug# ?
[07:19] <micahg> well, I produced a crash for a bug
[07:19] <mac_v> i think we can list the depends and ask the reporter to install them
[07:21] <micahg> too tired to do this now
[07:21] <mac_v> hehe ;)
[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[08:12] <thekorn> hey dholbach
[08:13] <thekorn> awesome developer weeke brochure
[08:13] <dholbach> thanks :)
[08:13] <thekorn> looks very professional
[08:13] <dholbach> I did it, but somebody else made it look good :)
[08:17] <thekorn> dholbach, hehe, ok just wanted to ask you why you did not use scribus or some other open source alternative to InDesign
[08:17] <dholbach> I never touched InDesign
[08:17] <thekorn> but hey, it was someone else
[08:17] <dholbach> yes
[08:17] <dholbach> I guess it's just what they're good with
[08:20] <alourie|work> dholbach: can I see it?
[08:20] <alourie|work> the brochure I mean
[08:20] <dholbach> http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/Ubuntu_Developer_Week4.pdf
[08:20] <dholbach> what I did beforehand: http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/udw.odt
[08:43] <X-Seti> I think i have a bug, thats stopping any remote devices from being mounted, I can not seem to find what is doing this, say nova-t Stick I get the following
[08:44] <X-Seti> 9.04.. [202905.393041] usb 1-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 26 [202905.528011] usb 1-3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice [202905.551334] vmap allocation failed: use vmalloc=<size> to increase size. k@ubuntu:~$ vmap allocation failed: use vmalloc=<size> to increase size.
[12:25] <charles_> kklimonda: any ideas on bug 406486?
[12:25] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 406486 in transmission "transmission: too many open files" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406486
[12:28] <qense> bug #410763 seems rather complicated. At first I thought it was caused by GStreamer, but now I'm not that sure anymore. Anyone got a clue on what causes this? It is about (at least) Banshee and Rhythmbox freezing X after a while of playback. Killing the process frees the X server again.
[12:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 410763 in banshee "[karmic] Banshee freeze after some song playback" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/410763
[12:31] <qense> lunch time! I got to go, but I'll read the backlog in case anyone gets a sudden revelation. ;)
[13:22] <bullgard4> dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek <- "Alert; The URL is not valid and cannot be loaded."
[13:23] <dholbach> bei mir geht die
[13:23] <dholbach> oh... well - it works for me
[13:26] <bullgard4> Yes, pardon. Firefox opens this URL but Seamonkey reports the error posted. (*surprise*)
[13:34] <mac_v> guys , https//bugs.edge.launchpad ? is a beta version of lp?
[13:57] <yetjeacyutnoft> hi, karmic not support nvidia driver
[14:04] <Ampelbein> yetjeacyutnoft: which one? what graphics card? nvidia-driver works flawless on my system with a Geforce 7600GT
[14:05] <yetjeacyutnoft> i try karmic, setup nvidia driver and down X
[14:06] <yetjeacyutnoft> remove nvidia driver, and remove xorg.conf, up X
[14:06] <yetjeacyutnoft> thanks
[14:08] <Ampelbein> yetjeacyutnoft: without more information like your graphics card, we can't help you. Please also use #ubuntu for user support, this channel is about triaging bug reports.
[14:12] <yetjeacyutnoft> ok
[15:06] <bddebian> Boo
[15:30] <andresmujica> ok
[15:39] <andresmujica> hmm, i was wondering why the OK didn't appeared at the other window...
[16:28] <greg-g> pedro_: just a quick question, will Banshee be the default media player in Karmic or Rhythmbox. Banshee looks like it is still in the universe repository so that suggests Rhthmbox will be default.
[16:28] <greg-g> pedro_: I ask because the hug day reminded me.
[16:30] <pedro_> greg-g, not sure, there's still a few blockers on banshee
[16:31] <pedro_> no accessibility support yet
[16:31] <pedro_> ipod support is broken (no devicekit support)
[16:31] <pedro_> etc
[16:32] <pedro_> time will tell, but looks like we're not moving from now
[16:32] <pedro_> s/from/for
[16:34] <greg-g> pedro_: gotcha, thanks
[16:34] <pedro_> you're welcome
[17:10] <micahg> bdmurray: do we prefer the partner repo to multiverse?
[17:12] <bdmurray> micahg: I hadn't thought about that before, what is the situation?
[17:12] <micahg> bug 415089
[17:12] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 415089 in firefox-3.5 "Can't watch a streaming video on certain sites." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/415089
[17:12] <micahg> user has flashplugin-nonfree and adobe-flashplugin installed
[17:12] <micahg> there's a bug open to make the partner package conflict
[17:13] <micahg> so, does that mean we prefer the partner package if it's the one that conflicts?
[17:15] <bdmurray> No, I think it is whichever you install last if you will.
[17:15] <micahg> so it doesn't mattter?
[17:16] <micahg> idk which one the user installed last
[17:16] <bdmurray> Isn't the conflict bug unfixed?
[17:17] <micahg> correct
[17:17] <micahg> that's why I have to ask the user to uninstall one
[17:17] <micahg> so I'm just wondering which one
[17:17] <micahg> and if we have a policy
[17:18] <bdmurray> no, there is no policy
[17:18] <micahg> ok
[17:18] <micahg> thanks
[18:17] <Flomar> hello
[18:19] <mdz> bdmurray, is bughelper still actively maintained?
[18:19] <bdmurray> mdz: no, not really
[18:19] <mdz> ogasawara: we need a tool which scans open bugs for those which match apport bugpatterns and marks the duplicates automatically (better to have the discussion on this channel I guess)
[18:19] <mdz> bdmurray, has it been superseded by something else?
[18:20] <mdz> bdmurray, see above, I'm interested in scanning existing bugs for apport bugpatterns (to clean up the bugs which were filed before the bugpattern was created)
[18:20] <mdz> bughelper, from what I remember, seemed like it might be a good starting point
[18:21] <ogasawara> mdz: I was thinking if we could leverage bughelper we might be able to add on some lplib script to mark the duplicate
[18:22] <bdmurray> mdz: this is for the pattern you recently committed?
[18:24] <bdmurray> if so, I don't think bughelper ever checked attachments
[18:25] <ogasawara> bdmurray: I thought there was some -a option to check attachments?
[18:25] <mdz> bdmurray, I've committed a few recently
[18:26] <bdmurray> ogasawara: okay, you seem to be right
[18:27] <ogasawara> bdmurray: but I'm not sure if it properly handles the ones that are zipped up
[18:27] <Flomar> hello sirs, are there bugs related with nvidia drivers and jaunty? i`m working 2 days trying ALL combinations in the google universe and asking many people in the #ubuntu forum but no solution so far
[18:27] <ogasawara> Flomar: can you be more specific?  there's lots of bugs related to nvidia :)
[18:28] <Flomar> ogasawara, :) for sure... all story gives a novel, but let`s go to the point.
[18:29] <Flomar> ogasawara, i`ve done a fresh install from 9.0.4 jaunty in my intel chipset mb with nvidia geforce 7100 gs offboard video card.
[18:29] <ogasawara> Flomar: reporting it in a bug is probably the best approach
[18:30] <ogasawara> Flomar: that'll save you writing it up twice and then you can just point us at the bug
[18:30] <Flomar> ok
[18:30] <Flomar> in launchped, right?
[18:31] <ogasawara> Flomar: yup, that'd be great
[18:32] <bdmurray> using ubuntu-bug to report it would be ideal
[18:32] <Flomar> ogasawara, thx i`m opening a bug ticket.
[18:36] <mdz> ogasawara, what I'm doing for the moment is just running test-local from ubuntu-bugpatterns over the bugs
[18:36] <mdz> it's faster than manually reading DpkgTerminalLog.txt
[18:37] <mdz> and gets a lot of hits
[18:38] <ogasawara> mdz: so we could do an ugly hack and search all linux bugs tagged apport-package and run the test-local script against them
[18:39] <ogasawara> mdz: and mark them as a duplicate accordingly
[18:39] <bdmurray> bughelper is rather slow since it isn't using the API, in the past I've done some one off searches using launchpadlib
[18:39] <mdz> ogasawara, yes, it wouldn't be too hard to have it automatically mark the duplicate if it's a match
[18:42] <bdmurray> I am getting some matches with bughelper though
[18:50] <bdmurray> ogasawara: I've used bughelper successfully to search using a pattern for bug 407420 and it took about 25 minutes
[18:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 407420 in linux ""Failed to run depmod", no clear reason why" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407420
[18:51] <ogasawara> bdmurray: how many bugs did it find?
[18:51] <bdmurray> ogasawara: 7
[18:52] <bdmurray> however, I don't think it worked with gz attachments like you suggested
[18:53] <ogasawara> bdmurray: so still not ideal.  I think since test-local can handle the gz attachments I wonder if writing the other hack would be better?
[18:53] <ogasawara> bdmurray: but finding those 7 is definitely better than nothing
[18:54] <ogasawara> bdmurray: and the test-local will handle all bug patterns written
[18:55] <bdmurray> ogasawara: that seems like it might be a better long term solution
[18:55] <bdmurray> a neat thing about bughelper was doing one off clues though
[19:02] <Flare-Laptop> bdmurray: Yeah, I agree. But I wish there was an GUI application that can help me triage bugs.
[19:12] <bdmurray> ogasawara: so the failure to run depmod bugs should be duplicates of 407420?
[19:13] <ogasawara> bdmurray: correct
[19:30] <micahg> bdmurray: what to do about people who keep changing there bugs to private for no reason?
[19:31] <bdmurray> try to explain to them that less people will see the bug report then and it will be less likely to get fixed and if its still a problem let it go
[19:36] <hggdh> also, just in case, check to see if there is any private data there that might justify the move
[19:38] <micahg> nope,  bug 415696
[19:38] <ubot4> micahg: Bug 415696 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/415696 is private
[19:41] <micahg> ogasawara: is it worth filing a bug about the kernel package that it should only prompt for system reboot if the kernel is a higher version than the one running?
[19:47] <ogasawara> micahg: that doesn't seem like a kernel bug but rather a whishlist request for update-manager.  secondly I'm not sure I agree with it since there are scenarios where you want to install an older kernel to say verify a regression
[19:51] <micahg> ogasawara: true, but should it prompt for reboot for that?
[19:52] <micahg> I thought each package tells the update manager whether or not a reboot is required.  Are you saying that update-manager just has a list?
[20:15] <micahg> do we add debian upstream bugs for upgrade requests?
[20:17] <greg-g> micahg: as in a request for a new version of a package that is also not in Debian?
[20:18] <micahg> as we both have the package but an older version
[20:19] <greg-g> yeah, add the debian link so we'll know when it gets into debian (which makes it waaaay easier to get it into Ubuntu)
[20:37] <bdmurray> ogasawara: I've marked the ones bughelper found as duplicates
[21:06] <bdmurray> jdstrand: I've created a duplicating marking script that uses update-bug and modified update-bug but I'm curious about how to organize these in the ubuntu-qa-tools branch.  Do you have any thoughts?
[21:07] <jdstrand> bdmurray: maybe move update-bug out of responses/security into responses? the security scripts would need to be update (or a symlink created)
[21:09] <bdmurray> jdstrand: I was thinking move it too, so will move it and add a symlink
[21:29] <mac_v> does any one know how to restart the apport retraces? , they seems stuck
[21:29] <mac_v> seem*
[21:34] <bdmurray> mac_v: I'm looking into it
[21:34] <mac_v> bdmurray: thanks , BTW , i'v filed a Bug #416106
[21:34] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 416106 in apport "totem-plugin-viewer bugs make the retracers crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/416106
[22:05] <hggdh> bdmurray, pedro_ -- I had a chat with dtchen, and he is willing to give a class on triaging sound bugs
[22:05] <hggdh> darn, he is also here :-)
[22:11] <bdmurray> hggdh: that sounds good, what did you have in mind?