[00:12] <EagleScreen> i have a dude about launchpad ppa, shall I ask here?
[00:13] <porthose> #launchpad
[00:43] <Laney> bah
[00:43] <Laney> james_w: should have dropped kaffe build-dep from cdbs
[00:44] <james_w> why's that?
[00:44] <Laney> it's in universe
[00:46] <james_w> oops
[00:49] <Laney> do you want a bug for it?
[00:54] <Laney> makes the ant test fail
[00:54] <Laney> I'll look at it tomorrow
[01:48] <bluefoxicy> so I have a suggestion!
[01:48] <bluefoxicy> Evolution takes eternity to start.
[01:48] <bluefoxicy> Imean literally 11 minutes.
[01:48] <bluefoxicy> I want to add stuff to my calendar.  Can we do something about this?  Access the calendar but NOT the e-mail?
[01:49] <lifeless> bluefoxicy: hi; thats really an upstream issue. There is at least one startup time bug filed in gnome bugzilla about this
[01:49] <lifeless> (I know, I filied it :P)
[01:50] <lifeless> I suggest filing another about controlling the view it starts with etc
[01:52] <bluefoxicy> nods
[01:57] <ccheney> HAHA, ia64 build is out of disk space
[01:57] <directhex> :o
[01:57] <ccheney> i looked to see why it failed to build OOo and it ran out of disk space just installing the build-deps
[01:58] <directhex> but how will i run OOo on my altix now?
[01:58] <ccheney> hmm well actually at the unpack stage of OOo but certainly long before any building occured
[01:58] <ccheney> directhex: buy a better buildd
[03:05] <dtchen> TheMuso: what are your thoughts on disabling flatvol in karmic? (i will ask on the ubuntu-devel list, too)
[03:06] <dtchen> TheMuso: seemingly a vocal minority is quite unhappy
[03:06] <dtchen> err, i meant ubuntu-devel-discuss
[03:10] <kklimonda> dtchen: is flatvol going to be revised by PA's developer? otherwise you would be just switching it off forever or facing same minority in the future
[03:11] <dtchen> kklimonda: it has already been vastly modified
[03:11] <dtchen> kklimonda: i'm currently working through the diffs; i'll be uploading a new ppa version in a few hours
[03:12] <dtchen> kklimonda: be aware that it's a vocal minority that seems to dislike it
[03:13] <kklimonda> I know, but that's the problem, isn't it?
[03:14] <kklimonda> the *vocal* that is :)
[03:14] <arand> are there any plans to get partimage onto amd64? There was a bug stopping it but afaik it's long fixed by now...
[03:15] <michaeld> hey
[03:15] <kklimonda> dtchen: fwiw I think that If you could backport those patches to Karmic flat volume should stay
[03:15] <michaeld> how can i join the team?
[03:15] <dtchen> kklimonda: they will be.
[03:17] <kklimonda> dtchen: after all lennart is taking beating for PA all the time, it's only natural we should take some of it on ourselves (I think that we shouldn follow upstream when possible)
[03:18] <dtchen> kklimonda: oh we definitely take a beating, but that's a story for another time and place.
[03:19] <kklimonda> :)
[03:22] <kklimonda> dtchen: are your audio fixes in -6.25 from archive?
[03:23] <dtchen> kklimonda: no
[03:23] <dtchen> kklimonda: i need to take a few hours to cherry-pick the minimal set
[03:26] <TheMuso> dtchen: What do we lose if we disable it?
[03:26] <kklimonda> I couldn't test it in the last few days anyway - had a tough week and couldn't find time to fix some weird problem with nvidia module..
[03:31] <dtchen> TheMuso: no regression from jaunty, since 0.9.15 doesn't have it; we probably will break with other distros shipping 0.9.16, however.
[03:32] <dtchen> TheMuso: i'm inclined to leave it enabled, since it's a straightforward conffile mod
[03:33] <TheMuso> dtchen: Ok sounds fair.
[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[08:35] <\sh> moins
[08:36] <\sh> anyone up for some really nasty initramfs + network vlan not coming up + iscsi debugging? :) looks like that this is something which could be a showstopper
[08:37] <maswan> Nope, but I was thinking of doing another round of install on one of my new and shiny bl460c g6's and see what new karmic bugs fall out. ;)
[08:38] <\sh> usecase: network consists of bond mode 1 interface and on this one there is a vlan interface...setup some iscsi devices and add a line to /etc/fstab to mount the iscsi device...reboot e voila booting, waitiing for iscsi devices, fail, because network is not fully functional...I see the bondings, but not the vlans which is very strange
[08:39] <\sh> therefore, iscsi device won't be mounted, fsck.xfs throws an error and drops me into a shell only with / part mounted
[08:40] <\sh> maswan: hehe...the most prominent bugs are teh kernel messages at the very first lines of kernel booting, complaining about  non standard acpi crap of the vendor ;) (bl465c here)
[08:40] <maswan> \sh: I'm booting off bnx2x 10GE, which is showing to be interesting driver-wise. ;)
[08:41] <\sh> maswan: flex 10?
[08:41] <maswan> \sh: yeah
[08:41] <maswan> To add to the fun, this hardware is all new to me too. :)
[08:42] <\sh> maswan: rock on :) we didn't buy the flex 10 just because boss didn't want to provide money for a 10GE infrastructure :) so I'm still on 1GBit/s
[08:42] <\sh> maswan: which enclosure? bl7000c or the smaller brother 3000c?
[08:42] <maswan> \sh: 7000c, half-full with the neat nehalem blades with 10GE onboard and a couple of storage blades for databases
[08:44] <\sh> maswan: nice :) we have two 7000c (power supply full fledged + fans full fledged and full rows of bl465c (32GBit 2x 300GB 10k SAS drives)...ran a stress test on it...less heat and power then having a full fledged DL365G5 42U rack
[08:45] <\sh> maswan: and using fai to deploy them with jaunty less then 10 minutes and you have a full running infra
[08:46] <\sh> but for additional storage we are using 4 HP msa2012i but it fails because of the mentioned strange bug above
[08:47] <\sh> maswan: and btw...never buy a DL385G5P the new HW design is terrible compared to the DL375G5
[08:47] <maswan> For additional storage, this is distributed among 4 different countries and 8 sites, these are just central nodes for distributed grid storage stuff. The database is for the namespace etc, and conveniently should fit within 48G. :)
[08:48] <\sh> maswan: wow...a nice setup for the ne xtreemFS ;)
[08:48] <\sh> s/ne/new/
[08:48] <maswan> \sh: oh, is it similar or not to the dl380 with 16 2.5"-slots?
[08:49] <maswan> anyway, need to run off, and maybe we should continue this in a /query :)
[08:49] <\sh> maswan: the dl385g5p are originally meant to be 385G6, but because of the missing 380G6 (nehalem) they named it g5p and the hw layout is crap...now you need 4 hands to change cpus or mem
[08:50] <\sh> damn..meeting..then back to debugging this problem with initramfs + iscsi
[08:53] <frandieguez> Hi to all, I have a question regarding the creation of deb packages. I'm making a virtual package for 32 and 64 bits platforms, but for 64 bits doesn't exist one package. Does exist a standarized method for solve this issue at debian/control file?
[08:56] <directhex> frandieguez, better asked in #ubuntu-motu
[08:57] <directhex> frandieguez, is it a missing build-dep or a missing binary package?
[10:16] <maxb> asac: Hi - if you have a moment could you glance at bug 410624? Not to do it, but just to give advice on whether to work around it to not be caught by FeatureFreeze - thanks!
[10:18] <asac> maxb: i am doing MIRs today
[10:19] <maxb> excellent, I'll check back tomorrow then
[10:19] <maxb> thanks :-)
[14:11] <Laney> Could I trouble someone to unbreak cdbs? bug 415898
[14:51] <user436> hey guys if your bored try facebook zombies :D - http://apps.facebook.com/zombies/links.php?r=719927515&nref=st
[14:51] <ion> FloodServ or whatsitsname might be nice to have in Freenode as well.
[15:15] <james_w> Laney: I'm working on sponsoring your fix, I just wandered in to some more bugs as I was going
[15:33] <Laney> james_w: Oh, fun
[15:34] <Laney> never touching this again
[15:34] <james_w> not in cdbs, just LP
[15:34]  * Laney forgot to set the reviewer
[15:36] <Laney> is everyone on holiday this week or something? Very quiet...
[15:38] <liw> Laney, no, there's just a new CoC version that now applies: for every IRC comment or mailing list message you must first fix a bug
[15:39] <liw> (seriously: lots of people on vacation right now; August is the traditional month for holidays in most of Europe)
[15:40] <Laney> I guess it makes sense to have a "down" week so that people don't block so much on those who are away
[15:41] <blackxored>  how it's possible to make a sbuild chroot from a machine without network connection using something like apt-cacher-ng
[15:47] <tseliot> mvo: is python-apt going to be updated to a new upstream release before Karmic's release?
[15:49] <mvo> tseliot: I uploaded a new version today and another is will be uploaded before the weekend
[15:49] <tseliot> mvo: will the API break again?
[15:50] <mvo> tseliot: no - previous uploads should not have broken the api, is there a bug somewhere that I'm not aware of?
[15:50] <tseliot> mvo: I just wanted to be sure that I can fix bug 396301 for good
[15:52] <mvo> tseliot: oh, I see what you mean. this did indeed change, buts its a pretty internal change, why do you need to explicitely create a package object instead of obtaining it from the cache?
[15:53] <tseliot> mvo: I need to get pkg.installedVersion and pkg.candidateVersion
[15:53] <tseliot> and pkg.candidateDependencies, pkg.installedDependencies
[15:54] <tseliot> where "pkg" is apt.package.Package()
[15:55] <tseliot> is there a better way to do it?
[15:59] <mvo> tseliot: is there a bzr brnach of your code?
[16:00] <tseliot> mvo: lp:envy
[16:03] <mvo> tseliot: give me a minute, I check it out
[16:05] <tseliot> mvo: thanks
[16:12] <mvo> tseliot: please merge/test/review lp:~mvo/envy/mvo - I made it use the current (and most easy) api, the whole apt_pkg stuff should no longer be needed
[16:13] <mvo> tseliot: I'm not sure how to test it though, just running it from the checkout dir?
[16:14] <tseliot> mvo: I guess the if __name__ == '__main__' part should work
[16:14] <tseliot> mvo: thanks
[16:15] <mvo> tseliot: I tried that, no luck:
[16:15] <mvo>   File "packagemanager.py", line 381, in <module>
[16:15] <mvo>     a = PkgManager()
[16:15] <mvo> TypeError: __init__() takes exactly 3 arguments (1 given)
[16:16] <tseliot> ah right
[16:17] <tseliot> that's dealt with in abstraction.py
[16:19] <tseliot> mvo: try passing None as both arguments
[16:20] <tseliot> mvo: a = PkgManager(None, None)
[16:20] <mvo> tseliot: yeah, that does it, thanks. need to fix another problem in my change :)
[16:21] <tseliot> mvo: thanks again
[16:24] <mvo> tseliot: ok, should work now. it throws some deprecation warning, but if you want to be able to backport I would leave that in for now (if not, then they are easy to fix)
[16:25] <mathiaz> Riddell: Hi - I've almost finished transitioning main packages from libmysqlclient15-dev to libmysqlclient-dev
[16:26] <mathiaz> Riddell: the one that are left are: akonadi, koffice, qt-x11-free and qt4-x11
[16:26] <mathiaz> Riddell: would you mind doing those?
[16:26] <tseliot> mvo: ok, thanks. I think I'll just hide deprecation warnings (so as not to scare users) for now (because of my lack of time)
[16:26] <Riddell> mathiaz: I believe akonadi is in progress,  I can look at the others
[16:27] <mathiaz> Riddell: great - thanks
[16:27] <mathiaz> Riddell: have you also started to look into amarok?
[16:28] <Riddell> mathiaz: I thought that had been uploaded
[16:29] <mathiaz> Riddell: I haven't checked - just asking
[16:29] <Riddell> apachelogger was onto it
[16:34] <mathiaz> Riddell: amarok has been fixed
[16:55] <ccheney> ugh i just accidentally deleted my only copy of my email filters :(
[16:56] <ccheney> it was in a 'corrupted' backup of my email, and i somehow forgot i needed to manually extract the filters from the backup
[16:57]  * ccheney thinks he will use this as a good excuse to convert off of evolution and use procmail
[17:45] <Dark-Star> Hi! can anyone here tell me where I can find the xorg.conf file on (x)ubuntu 9.10? /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't exist. Also, where does xorg write it's log file(s)?
[17:46] <mdz> does anyone have a guess as to what could cause this:
[17:46] <mdz> linux-image-2.6.31-5-generic.preinst
[17:46] <mdz> er
[17:46] <mdz> Selecting previously deselected package linux-image-2.6.28-13-generic.
[17:46] <mdz> Unpacking linux-image-2.6.28-13-generic (from .../linux-image-2.6.28-13-generic_2.6.28-13.44_i386.deb) ...
[17:46] <mdz> Done.
[17:46] <mdz> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[17:46] <mdz> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.28-13-generic_2.6.28-13.44_i386.deb (--unpack):
[17:46] <mdz>  subprocess dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile returned error exit status 2
[17:46] <mdz> (with no other error messages)
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> mdz - i can't answer your question, but i just saw your e-mail on ubuntu-devel about cleaning up the kernel postinst script...
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> ...i agree! i've tried to debug kernel install issues in the past, but just ended up giving up
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> the current script is horrendous;)
[17:54] <chrisccoulson> Dark-Star - there is no xorg.conf on 9.10 AFAIK
[17:56] <Dark-Star> hmm so how does xorg figure out which driver to use? and, more importantly, how do I configure server options like xaa etc?
[17:56] <chrisccoulson> Dark-Star - the driver is chosen automatically
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> for configuring things like xaa, then i don't know
[18:10] <ebroder> Anyone from ubuntu-sru who could look at but #330766? This is a problem for my school's deployment, and we'd like to see it fixed before people start getting back to campus in a couple of weeks
[18:10] <ebroder> Err, bug #330766
[18:22] <nh2> tseliot: hi! I made two checkboxes for turning cornertapping on/off in Bug 386017 until your new configuration tool is available
[18:24] <tseliot> nh2: I appreciate your help but the design team should review your change first (for usability issues, etc.)
[18:24] <tseliot> nh2: maybe ask mpt
[18:25] <nh2> tseliot: ok, I'll do so
[18:25] <tseliot> thanks
[18:35] <Q-FUNK> who do I ping for bugs against language writing support packs?
[18:36] <Q-FUNK> the changelog in those seems to be automatically generated, just for the sake of having "something" as a log, rather than containing the name of an actual  developer who could be contacted. ;)
[19:33] <Riddell> james_w: where can I find info about the dailybuild setup?
[19:42] <ccheney> is there some new 'blur' effect used for notifications now?
[19:42] <ccheney> the notifications i have been seeing lately are barely readable, i almost thought it was my vision except everything else on my desktop is clear
[19:53] <soren> ccheney: Maybe you have a smudge on that part of the screen or the upper right corner of your classes? :p
[20:04] <ccheney> soren: well it was blurred on top of a gnome terminal that displays fine, so i doubt that is it, heh
[20:04] <ccheney> soren: i think it must be a new blurry vision feature ;-)
[20:05]  * ccheney will try to take a screenshot next time, if it isn't an intended feature
[20:15] <tedg> ccheney: There is a blur feature, but it should only be part of the fade.  So if your mouse is near by it should fade and blur.
[20:20] <slangasek> er, why does launchpad keep logging me out?
[20:21] <zyga> slangasek: do you have to login twice?
[20:22] <slangasek> zyga: no, I can't stay logged in, /at all/
[20:22] <zyga> strange, cookies?
[20:23] <slangasek> no.  apparently fixed with a shift-reload
[20:25] <Pici> There were a few other people reporting the same issue in #launchpad
[20:26] <freinhard> hi!
[20:28] <freinhard> tried to boot alpha4 on a laptop with intel graphics (855gm). black screen with default boot options, commandline in safe graphics mode and acpi disabled. anyone else?
[20:34] <ccheney> tedg: ah ok, i will see next time if that was the issue
[20:34] <ccheney> tedg: is the blur part new, i don't recall seeing it blur before
[20:35] <Pici> freinhard: This isn't really a support channel.  Have you asked in #ubuntu+1 ?
[20:36] <tedg> ccheney: I believe so.  I don't remember how much it blurred before.  I think it only blurred on the button presses.  Anyway, blur has been vastly improved in the new version none the less.
[20:36] <ccheney> tedg: ok
[20:43] <pgquiles> siretart: ping
[20:43] <siretart> pgquiles: yes?
[20:44] <pgquiles> siretart: let's talk about cdrtools :-)
[20:44] <siretart> ok. what about it?
[20:45] <pgquiles> siretart: you prepared packages of the official cdrtools back in the feisty days but no longer updated them. Did you just lose interest, or did jörg schilling complain ?
[20:45] <siretart> I did package them because schily asked me
[20:46] <pgquiles> siretart: what about the future? will you create packages for new versions of cdrtools? will they be included in ubuntu?
[20:46] <freinhard> 3~+
[20:46] <siretart> my intend was to get them included into ubuntu, but in the end, the it was ruled that they are not going to be accepted unless schily explained why he refuses to add a small additional clause to his licensing
[20:47] <pgquiles> siretart: what was that additional clause?
[20:48] <siretart> pgquiles: additional clause to his CDDL libraries like libschily to allow GPL programs like mkisofs and cdda2wav to be linked against it
[20:48] <siretart> this was proposed by the SFLC, but schily refused to even seriously comment on that
[20:48] <siretart> *shrug*
[20:49] <pgquiles> siretart: I see. I was thinking in taking over your cdrtools package (if it's OK with you) because cdrkit does not work with DVD+RW disks in my laptops' recorders
[20:50] <siretart> btw, it is currently under review in debian (again): http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/schilyutils_20090510-pre9-1.html - the git repository for the packaging can be found on git.debian.org
[20:50] <pgquiles> siretart: oh, nice
[20:50] <siretart> you might want to join that efford and use that as basis instead of my old package
[20:52] <pgquiles> siretart: I'll take a look, thanks!
[21:00] <james_w> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyBuilds
[21:06] <JonyBlaze> ubuntu uses cdrkit?
[21:06] <siretart> james_w: around?
[21:06] <pgquiles> JonyBlaze: every debian derivative uses cdrkit, AFAIK
[21:07] <james_w> hi siretart
[21:07] <pgquiles> actually, pretty much every linux distro uses cdrkit instead of cdrtools
[21:07] <siretart> hey there
[21:07] <siretart> james_w: I'm about to upload the new ffmpeg, you know, the rename as announced on ubuntu-devel
[21:07] <JonyBlaze> arnt there a lot of bugs in cdrkit?
[21:07] <nikolam> uhh, after trying to post a bug, I got this message (I logged in to launchpad previously and typed Very long bug description, I lost now):
[21:07] <siretart> james_w: I'm not sure what soyuz will make of it, I assume that the overrides of the package needs to be adjusted so that 'ffmpeg' ends up in 'main' and no longer in 'universe'
[21:07] <nikolam> Application error.  Unauthenticated user POSTing to page that requires authentication.
[21:08] <nikolam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+filebug/or0Ee8xZYUdxQ0NsI3cNavixKYs#form-start
[21:08] <siretart> james_w: is there something I can do to help the archive admins with that move?
[21:09] <siretart> JonyBlaze: there are
[21:09] <james_w> siretart: send a mail to ubuntu-archive@lists.ubuntu.com with instructions of what should end up where would be a great help
[21:09] <james_w> thanks for the consideration :-)
[21:09] <siretart> hm. I could bounce my message from ubuntu-devel there :-)
[21:09] <james_w> if we don't listen then file a bug with the same information and subscribe ubuntu-archive
[21:09] <james_w> sure :-)
[21:10] <siretart> bounced
[21:11] <siretart> so, just upload and see what happens?
[21:11] <siretart> it's just that I'm not sure how I'll be avaiable the next days
[21:12] <ccheney> is there a way to see if a package is installable on an architecture?
[21:12]  * ccheney has a ftbfs due to uninstallable package on sparc
[21:13] <james_w> ccheney: chdist
[21:17] <JonyBlaze> ahh siretart built cdrtools for the ubuntu burning team ppa, sorry im slow
[22:36] <ccheney> anyone around that can process openoffice.org it has NEW stuff
[22:52] <Psi-Jack_> Okay. So, if I took the deb-src packages of linux-igd from 9.04, how would I compile that into a deb for 8.04 since linux-igd was completely skipped in hardy?
[22:59] <ccheney> Psi-Jack_: potentially just a recompile if it is really simple, or could involve a huge amount of work depending on the package
[23:00] <Psi-Jack_> Well, it doesn't look complicated. It's got the orig.tar.gz, diff.gz, and .dsc files.
[23:00] <ccheney> Psi-Jack_: looks like it might be easy from what it shows as build-depends
[23:00] <Psi-Jack_> All I need to know, really, is how to have it built.
[23:00] <ccheney> use debuild or something on your local box i suppose
[23:01] <Psi-Jack_> Or a webpage that explains how to do it from these three files. ;)
[23:01] <ccheney> maybe use pbuilder if you don't want to install all the build-depends on your system
[23:01] <ccheney> iirc with that you can just point it at the .dsc as well
[23:01] <Psi-Jack_> I don't mind if I have to really.
[23:02]  * ccheney bbl
[23:10] <Psi-Jack_> !find upnp.h
[23:11] <Psi-Jack_> Oi, so, it's not as easy as just building it. :/
[23:15] <directhex> Psi-Jack_, well, the build-deps are sorta needed, and will be pulled in by pbuilder amongst others
[23:17] <Psi-Jack_> yeah, I got all the build-deps, but the compile itself, fails.
[23:20] <Psi-Jack_> Well, blah.
[23:20] <Psi-Jack_> Guess I'll just hafta up my eBox up to 1.3, from 9.04 and try it out. heh
[23:38] <rickspencer3> jml: are you online? I have a question about writing tests
[23:38] <rickspencer3> I seem to recall you are passionate about this topic
[23:46] <james_w> kirkland: you don't use mass-sync.py?
[23:47] <kirkland> james_w: b/c it's been flimsy for me
[23:47] <james_w> rickspencer3: he is, but he is probably currently more passionate about his vacation :-)
[23:47] <james_w> really?
[23:47] <rickspencer3> lol
[23:47] <rickspencer3> fair enough
[23:48] <kirkland> james_w: time to time, yes