[02:04] <MsMaco> hello folks. ive been trying to help this tommy_ fellow get his screen to do its native 1024x768. we went through xrandr --newmode and --addmode and now it shows in his screen config gui (yay) but it fails when he tries to do xrandr --output default --mode 1024x768_60
[02:04] <MsMaco> ive hit the limits of my xrandr knowledge, so...can anyone help?
[02:05] <tommy_> please :-)
[02:05] <MsMaco> i *thought* those were all the necessary steps...but maybe not... and if so, i suppose the answer is just "file a bug"
[02:05] <tommy_> everybody's sleeping it appears
[02:06] <MsMaco> its not an ordinarily busy channel... but i dont *think* everyone here's british
[02:06] <tommy_> neither am I lol
[02:07] <MsMaco> many ubuntu devs are british or otherwise european so finding them at this time of night can be hard
[02:07] <tommy_> ah gotcha
[02:07] <MsMaco> if youre in the US, there tend to be more people around noon-ish or late morning
[02:08] <tommy_> I mean using it now I'm almost somewhat not even noticing the frames
[02:08] <tommy_> but it's still annoying
[02:09] <tommy_> well I just rand xrandr by itself again
[02:09] <tommy_> and even though I told it to run at 1024x768 in the gui, it still says 800x600 in xrandr
[02:09] <tommy_> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 800 x 600, maximum 1024 x 768
[02:09] <tommy_> so it's an option now atleast, I just can't get it to set to the max
[02:10] <MsMaco> right it still says that cuz switching to 1024x768 failed
[02:11] <MsMaco> xrandr -s 1024x768
[02:11] <MsMaco> maybe?
[02:11] <MsMaco> thats an old way to do it, but worth a shot
[02:11] <tommy_> failed
[02:12] <tommy_> see if I can get any luck out of the other channel
[02:18] <tommy_> hello anyone around?
[03:42] <tommy_> hello anyone here?
[03:44] <MsMaco> tommy_: i asked a friend that does some X stuff and he said that error sounds like the driver's refusing to accept the mode
[03:44] <MsMaco> i still dont know why he doesnt join this channel
[03:44] <tommy_> well upon restart
[03:44] <tommy_> the 1024x768 option dissapeared from the gui
[03:44] <tommy_> and xrandr
[03:45] <tommy_> windows has no problem doing it
[03:45] <tommy_> so I know its possible
[03:45] <MsMaco> its not the hardware. its likely the driver being stupid
[03:45] <MsMaco> which graphics chip do you have anyway?
[03:46] <tommy_> I don't think it knows what kind of display it is so it's just using generic settings
[03:46] <tommy_> not too sure to be honest
[03:46] <MsMaco> lspci
[03:46] <MsMaco> !pastebin
[03:46] <tommy_> hm?
[03:47] <MsMaco> pastebin the output of "lspci"
[03:47] <tommy_> !pastebin 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82440MX Host Bridge (rev 01)
[03:47] <tommy_> 00:00.1 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82440MX AC'97 Audio Controller
[03:47] <tommy_> 00:00.2 Modem: Intel Corporation 82440MX AC'97 Modem Controller
[03:47] <tommy_> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Motion, Inc. SM712 LynxEM+ (rev a0)
[03:47] <tommy_> 00:03.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ6812 CardBus Controller (rev 05)
[03:47] <tommy_> 00:06.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus Controller (rev 01)
[03:47] <tommy_> 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82440MX ISA Bridge (rev 01)
[03:47] <tommy_> 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82440MX EIDE Controller
[03:47] <tommy_> 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82440MX USB Universal Host Controller
[03:47] <tommy_> 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82440MX Power Management Controller
[03:47] <tommy_> did that work?
[03:47] <MsMaco> you didnt actually read the output of the pastebin factoid, huh?
[03:47] <MsMaco> anyway....
[03:47] <tommy_> lol
[03:48] <MsMaco> silicon motion
[03:48] <tommy_> hows pastebin work 
[03:49] <MsMaco> Ubuntu pastebin is at  http://paste.ubuntu.com
[03:49] <MsMaco> you paste stuff in the text box and hit submit. it gives you a link
[03:49] <MsMaco> you give us the link, and then we dont get 15 lines of stuff in the channel
[03:49] <tommy_> got it
[03:52] <tommy_> does that help any?
[03:53] <MsMaco> im asking a friend
[03:54] <bgamari> Honestly, I doubt I'll be very much
[03:54] <bgamari> help
[03:54] <MsMaco> you've a better chance of figuring out if the modeline's slightly wrong than i do
[03:54] <bgamari> it sounds as if you just need to throw a debugger on the xserver and figure out why the driver is failing
[03:55] <bgamari> You've checked the Xorg log, right?
[03:55] <MsMaco> no
[03:55] <MsMaco> didnt think about that
[03:55] <MsMaco> tommy_: this is ben.
[03:55] <tommy_> be prepared to walk me through this lol
[03:55] <MsMaco> he works on intel graphics, but i figured he might have some idea how X works in general...or at least a better idea than i do
[03:56] <tommy_> yeah I'm at a complete loss
[03:56] <bgamari> first look in /var/log/Xorg.log
[03:56] <MsMaco> bgamari: would a tail -f while doing the xrandr stuff we did before make sense?
[03:57] <bgamari> sure
[03:57] <MsMaco> tommy_: two terminals. in one "tail -f /var/log/Xorg.log"
[03:57] <MsMaco> in the other...do you still have the xrandr commands we did before?
[03:57] <tommy_> unfortunately not
[03:58] <MsMaco> ok
[03:58] <tommy_> xrandr doesn't even have 1024x768 as an option anymore
[03:58] <tommy_> after a restart it reset to default
[03:58] <MsMaco> xrandr --addmode "1024x768" "63.50  1024 1072 1176 1328  768 771 775 798 -hsync +vsync" 
[03:58] <MsMaco> that was the mode we used
[03:58] <MsMaco> doh
[03:58] <MsMaco> that's newmode
[03:59] <MsMaco> then after that it was: xrandr --addmode default 1024x768
[03:59] <tommy_> that tail comand did nothing
[03:59] <MsMaco> itll show the end and follow it as the file changes
[03:59] <tommy_> just gave me a > prompt
[03:59] <MsMaco> so if theres a new error added to it, itll show it
[03:59] <MsMaco> hrm
[04:00] <MsMaco> and then "xrandr --mode default 1024x768" was the last part...where the error happened...
[04:00] <MsMaco> wiat.
[04:00] <MsMaco> it should be Xorg.0.log
[04:00] <MsMaco> not Xorg.log
[04:00] <tommy_> I've got xorg.r.log
[04:00] <tommy_> yeah
[04:00] <bgamari> Unfortunately I've got to run in 5 or so
[04:01] <MsMaco> bgamari: bedtime?
[04:01] <bgamari> Naw, need to go meet my girlfriend
[04:02] <tommy_> cannot find output 1024x768
[04:02] <MsMaco> output was default
[04:03] <MsMaco> bgamari: ah ok
[04:04] <tommy_> ok what did we do to get it to work before
[04:04] <tommy_> I got the tail working
[04:04] <MsMaco> did the name change from default to something else?
[04:04] <MsMaco> pastebin plain old "xrandr"'s output
[04:05] <tommy_> it's still called default
[04:05] <MsMaco> maybe if you put "" around the 1024x768?
[04:06] <tommy_> it was
[04:07] <tommy_> ok...
[04:07] <tommy_>  xrandr --addmode "1024x768" "63.50  1024 1072 1176 1328  768 771 775 798 -hsync +vsync"
[04:07] <tommy_> ?
[04:08] <tommy_> cannot find output
[04:09] <tommy_> what did we do last time
[04:09] <MsMaco> oh no no i said above "oops that shouldve been newmode"
[04:09] <tommy_> oooh gotcha
[04:09] <tommy_> hold o
[04:10] <tommy_> nothin
[04:10] <tommy_> it gave me the the whole xrandr command menu
[04:10] <tommy_> hold on less quotes
[04:12] <MsMaco> hola andresmujica
[04:12] <andresmujica> hola msmaco
[04:12] <andresmujica> maco as in mackenzie?
[04:12] <MsMaco> aye
[04:13] <tommy_> this isn't working
[04:13] <andresmujica> oui. hi, what's up?
[04:13] <tommy_> it just keeps giving me the proper syntax formatting thing for xrandr
[04:13] <MsMaco> trying to make his screen to 1024x768
[04:13] <tommy_> it's not recognizing how it's formatted
[04:13] <MsMaco> *do
[04:14] <MsMaco> are you copying and pasting my quotes?
[04:14] <tommy_> yes only I changed it to newmode
[04:14] <MsMaco> i think i have stupid curly quotes in my irc client...that could break things
[04:14] <MsMaco> or do they show as normal straight quotes when you look in your terminal?
[04:14] <tommy_> they're normal
[04:14] <tommy_> type it one more time :-)
[04:15] <tommy_> cause whatever you told me to do last time worked
[04:15] <MsMaco> well last time we named it 1024x768_60
[04:15] <MsMaco> i dont think the name should make a difference but *shrug*
[04:16] <tommy_> I'm lost
[04:16] <MsMaco> maybe xrandr --newmode "1024x768_60" "63.50  1024 1072 1176 1328  768 771 775 798 -hsync +vsync"
[04:16] <MsMaco> since thats what we did before the reboot
[04:17] <tommy_> it's not accepting your formatting
[04:17] <tommy_> for one reason or another
[04:18] <tommy_> should there be two spaces in those two spots?
[04:18] <MsMaco> its a copy and paste from my terminal...same as i pasted to you before
[04:19] <tommy_> well what the shit
[04:19] <tommy_> I don't get it
[04:21] <MsMaco> _xrandr --newmode "1024x768_60.00" 
[04:21] <MsMaco> er without the _
[04:21] <MsMaco> and then "63.50  1024 1072 1176 1328  768 771 775 798 -hsync +vsync" the same
[04:21] <MsMaco> if the formatting of the name matters, i will be peeved
[04:22] <MsMaco> andresmujica: do you know how to work this xrandr thing?
[04:22] <andresmujica> tommy_ you can try http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl  and this http://www.arachnoid.com/modelines/   those can help you generate a working modeline.  However, i would try renaming the xorg.conf file so it gets autogenerated by the system itself.    i don't really use xrandr... the applet works good enough for me.. :)
[04:23] <MsMaco> andresmujica: its a new install and it only detected 640x480 and 800x600 by default
[04:23] <andresmujica> ohh.. 
[04:23] <andresmujica> sis video card.
[04:23] <MsMaco> so we're trying to add 1024x768 so the applet can do it
[04:23] <MsMaco> yes, sis
[04:23] <tommy_> it's not accepting it still
[04:23] <MsMaco> from what i recall *shudder*
[04:27] <tommy_> here I'm sending this entire thing to pastebin
[04:28] <tommy_> did you see it
[04:29] <MsMaco> you have to give me the link
[04:29] <tommy_> o
[04:29] <tommy_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/255515/
[04:30] <MsMaco> ok try without quotse then
[04:30] <tommy_> around anything?
[04:30] <MsMaco> yeah
[04:31] <andresmujica> yeap without the quotes
[04:32] <tommy_> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;'
[04:32] <MsMaco> whys there a ; in it?
[04:33] <MsMaco> oh because you bumped it
[04:33] <andresmujica> xrandr --newmode 1024x768_60.0 63.50  1024 1072 1176 1328  768 771 775 798 -hsync +vsync
[04:33] <MsMaco> i can see it in the pastebin
[04:34] <tommy_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/255520/
[04:34] <MsMaco> oh it has got it in there
[04:34] <MsMaco> ok
[04:34] <MsMaco> xrandr --addmode default 1024x768_60.0
[04:36] <tommy_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/255521/
[04:36] <MsMaco> yay its associated with the output device now
[04:37] <MsMaco> so were at the point before where itd show in the applet
[04:37] <MsMaco> now lets see if Xorg.0.log says anything when you do this:
[04:37] <MsMaco> xrandr --output default --mode 1024x768_60.0
[04:37] <tommy_> I tried switching it through the gui
[04:38] <tommy_> screen blinked
[04:38] <tommy_> xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed
[04:38] <tommy_> nothing changed in the log
[04:39] <MsMaco> :(
[04:39] <tommy_> I'm so confused
[04:39] <tommy_> it's like it tried and then said "F*CK YOU"
[04:40] <MsMaco> mmm yeah
[04:40] <MsMaco> by the way.... even without the "u" not really supposed to say that
[04:40] <tommy_> ok sorry
[04:40] <tommy_> just getting frustrated
[04:40] <MsMaco> well... getting around it with fsck is not too uncommon since thats an actual command...
[04:40] <MsMaco> anyway
[04:41] <tommy_> lol
[04:41] <MsMaco> ben's hypothesis was that the driver is screwing up
[04:41] <andresmujica> try generating the correct modeline with http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl  you'll need your monitor specs thou.  probably a freq thingie
[04:41] <MsMaco> yeah the modeline we tried was a generic 1024x768 one
[04:41] <MsMaco> maybe your screen is not-so-generic
[04:41] <tommy_> thats what xp says it is
[04:42] <MsMaco> no i mean in terms of those other numbers
[04:42] <MsMaco> 1024 1072 1176 1328  768 771 775 798 <- these ones
[04:42] <tommy_> oooh
[04:42] <MsMaco> and that 63.50 number
[04:42] <tommy_> so now how would I figure this out?
[04:42] <MsMaco> do what andres said
[04:43] <tommy_> k
[04:43] <andresmujica> behind you monitor you'll find a plate with some specs on it, or at least the monitor model, so you can check in google about the right specs for your monitor so it can be used by the xtiming.pl 
[04:43] <MsMaco> laptop
[04:43] <MsMaco> lshw?
[04:43] <andresmujica> holly gosh.. i thought it was a CRT model... 
[04:44] <MsMaco> *grumble* screws should be far more difficult to lose. then i wouldnt have half-put-together furniture
[04:45] <tommy_> Modeline "1024x768@0" 0.00 1024 1056 1056 1088 768 787 787 807
[04:45] <tommy_> thats what it spit out at me
[04:46] <andresmujica> hmm 0.00 ?
[04:46] <MsMaco> yeah thats what i was staring at
[04:46] <tommy_> yeah found that odd too
[04:46] <tommy_> should I try it on my other comp with xp?
[04:46] <tommy_> they're identical machines
[04:46] <MsMaco> well we're obviously on the same page
[04:47] <tommy_> but that ones actually running at 1024
[04:47] <tommy_> maybe that'll give me the right hrz
[04:47] <tommy_> khz*
[04:48] <andresmujica> take into account that the modeline potentially can cause DAMAGE to your computer.
[04:48] <MsMaco> if its wrong
[04:48] <tommy_> well we got it wrong once and it didn't blow up
[04:48] <tommy_> lol
[04:48] <tommy_> I've got like 8 of these anyway
[04:49] <andresmujica> so i'll recommend you to find the right specs for your laptop, so you can test with confidence..
[04:49] <tommy_> it I fry one it won't be that big of a deal
[04:49] <andresmujica> hehehe
[04:49] <tommy_> would it be documented anywhere?
[04:49] <andresmujica> i don't know if you can find that info in windows.  
[04:50] <andresmujica> Yeap if it' s a laptop it should be available at the specs from the vendor
[04:50] <tommy_> lemme see if I can find it
[04:51] <tommy_> or see if you can find it before me
[04:51] <tommy_> lol
[04:55] <tommy_> 13.3 XGA(1024x768) TFT LCD
[04:55] <tommy_> is all I'm able to find
[04:57] <MsMaco> lshw maybe tell you the exact lcd model?
[04:57] <tommy_> whats that
[04:57] <tommy_> a command?
[04:59] <tommy_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/255531/
[05:00] <andresmujica> which one is the laptop?  
[05:01] <tommy_> hm?
[05:02] <andresmujica> model/vendor 
[05:02] <tommy_> IBM ThinkPad iSeries 1300 7WU
[05:03] <tommy_> 1300 1171-7WU
[05:07] <tommy_> found it
[05:07] <andresmujica> oh well.. time to go.  didn't find anything valuable in google.. :(  i'll keep trying different modelines (anyway it should be autodetected, so it must be a bug somewhere around..)
[05:07] <andresmujica> what did u found?
[05:07] <tommy_> http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,14829837
[05:08] <andresmujica> yeap, but it's with a trident card..
[05:08] <andresmujica> but its worth a try.
[05:08] <andresmujica> good luck!!
[05:08] <tommy_> oh
[05:08] <tommy_> hm
[05:08] <tommy_> well I'll poke around
[05:08] <tommy_> so I'd just do those commands again
[05:08] <tommy_> only with new values?
[05:09] <andresmujica> why don't you try with some livecd's, maybe one of them gives the right config... (jaunty, hardy, karmic4) 
[05:09] <andresmujica> so we can chase down the bug.
[05:10] <tommy_> actually
[05:10] <tommy_> I had DSL loaded on here
[05:10] <tommy_> and it worked fine
[05:10] <tommy_> say I stuck in the liveCD for that, how would I find the value, just do xrandr ?
[05:10] <andresmujica> g'night.. see ya msmaco.. ahh Damn Small, try using that xorg.conf  get it from there!!! you've got the solution! 
[05:11] <tommy_> just view the file?
[05:11] <MsMaco> save it to a flash drive
[05:11] <MsMaco> and copy it over
[05:11] <MsMaco>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:11] <tommy_> ok great
[05:11] <tommy_> lemme go find the cd and boot it in a twin machine
[05:12] <tommy_> I"ll be back in 2
[05:15] <tommy_> ok dsl is booting from cd
[05:18] <tommy_> ok now I'm lost
[05:31] <tommy_> still here ms?
[05:33] <tommy_> anyone here?
[06:02] <tommy_> hellllo?
[06:19] <tommy_> andreas
[06:20] <tommy_> or duke
[06:20] <tommy_> or anyone
[06:20] <Duke`> ?
[06:21] <tommy_> I need help
[06:21] <tommy_> I've got a laptop, and can't get the resolution high enough to fill the entire viewing area
[06:21] <tommy_> I've got 1" frames on all sides
[06:22] <Duke`> which resolution?
[06:22] <tommy_> the highest I'm able to go is 800x600
[06:22] <tommy_> I need it at 1024x768
[06:23] <tommy_> I was able to get this far with it ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/255557/
[06:23] <Duke`> what is screen size?
[06:23] <tommy_> 13.3 
[06:23] <tommy_> check out that paste bin and see if you can help me at all
[06:23] <tommy_> I'm very new to linux I dunno much
[06:24] <Duke`> I'm not good at modelines, so I can't tell you if it's correct
[06:24] <Duke`> are you sure your laptop can to 1024?
[06:24] <Duke`> *can do
[06:24] <tommy_> I loaded a live CD of DamnSmallLinux and it loaded fine at 1024x768 full screened, but I dunno where I can find the settings at
[06:24] <tommy_> yes positive
[06:24] <MsMaco> he used a script to get a modeline, but it gave 0.00 clock rate...which...er...
[06:24] <tommy_> I've got an identicle machine next to me
[06:24] <tommy_> it's running at 1024 
[06:24] <MsMaco> DSL shouldve had the xorg.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:24] <MsMaco> if you copy it from DSL to Ubuntu it should work
[06:24] <tommy_> that file doesn't exist
[06:25] <Duke`> you can write at xorg@lists.freedesktop.org describing your problem
[06:25] <MsMaco> DSL uses XFree86, doesnt it?
[06:25] <MsMaco> instead of X11?
[06:25] <tommy_> I dunno it's got an X11 dir
[06:25] <Duke`> MsMaco: maybe an older driver
[06:25] <tommy_> just no xorg.conf
[06:26] <Duke`> so not so old...
[06:26] <tommy_> someone told me to create one with some code
[06:26] <tommy_> but being a live cd there's no file writing capability
[06:27] <tommy_> theres no way to get the values from it without that file?
[06:28] <Duke`> try looking in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:29] <tommy_> I may have just found something
[06:29] <tommy_> http://www.perimeterless.org/?p=106
[06:30] <tjaalton> eww, siliconmotion
[06:30] <MsMaco> haha
[06:30] <MsMaco> that looks kinda like andres's reaction too
[06:31] <tjaalton> logfile would still be helpful
[06:31] <tommy_> hahaha
[06:31] <tommy_> it doesn't kick anything to the log
[06:31] <tjaalton> Xorg.0.log?
[06:31] <tommy_> never changed
[06:31] <tjaalton> sorry, don't believe you ;)
[06:31] <tommy_> lol
[06:32] <MsMaco> tjaalton: had him tail -f it while he set it up with xrandr
[06:32] <MsMaco> on ubuntu, i mean
[06:32] <tjaalton> xrandr doesn't matter
[06:32] <tjaalton> the driver doesn't support randr-1.2 anyway
[06:32] <MsMaco> well we were doing --addmode and --newmode stuff
[06:32] <tjaalton> I'm interested in why it fails to set the native mode, and that's in the logfile
[06:33] <tommy_> I'll paste bin it hold on
[06:33] <MsMaco> tjaalton: fails to set? it doesnt offer the native mode at all....
[06:34] <MsMaco> or do you mean after we added the mode?
[06:34] <tommy_> hsync out of range
[06:34] <tommy_> for 1024x768
[06:34] <tjaalton> MsMaco: it should start with that mode, no?
[06:34] <tjaalton> tommy_: right, full log please
[06:35] <tommy_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/255560/
[06:35] <MsMaco> tjaalton: im not sure what order X tries to do things, i just know its not detecting the native range as even being something the screen can do
[06:35] <tommy_> thats not the full log
[06:35] <tommy_> everything silicone motion related tho
[06:35] <MsMaco> tjaalton: so we were playing with xrandr trying to convince X that yes, the screen really can do that
[06:35] <tommy_> and then some
[06:36] <tjaalton> MsMaco: but you can't tell the server what the monitor can do, other than via xorg.conf
[06:37] <tjaalton> just force the monitor values to xorg.conf and it should be fine
[06:37] <tjaalton> it's still a bug though
[06:37] <tjaalton> DSL probably forced the range
[06:37] <tommy_> like it said to do in that link I sent?
[06:37] <tjaalton> would be nice to know though
[06:37] <tjaalton> tommy_: yes
[06:37] <tommy_> ok I'm gonna give it a shot
[06:37] <tommy_> I'll be back 
[06:39] <tommy_> hm
[06:40] <tommy_> there's absolutely nothing in my monitor section
[06:40] <tjaalton> so create one
[06:40] <tommy_> should i just add the parts in bold like it said to or add all those values
[06:41] <tommy_> stupid question
[06:41] <tommy_> don't answer that
[06:41] <tommy_> lol
[06:41] <tjaalton> put everything from that blog to an empty file, and replace your current conffile with it
[06:42] <tjaalton> well, not everything..
[06:42] <tommy_> it won't let me save
[06:42] <tjaalton> surely you must be root
[06:42] <tjaalton> sudo -i/-s
[06:45] <tommy_> how do I save in nano
[06:45] <tjaalton> ctrl-x
[06:45] <tjaalton> to exit
[06:45] <tommy_> saves on exit?
[06:45] <tjaalton> it'll ask..
[06:45] <tommy_> heard 
[06:45] <tommy_> thanks
[06:46] <tommy_> ok restart
[06:46] <tommy_> wish me luck
[06:51] <tommy> PERFECT
[06:51] <Guest35750> thanks everyone
[06:51] <tjaalton> good
[06:52] <Guest35750> why am I guest now?
[06:52] <Guest35750> lol
[06:52] <tommy_> there
[06:53] <tommy_> but yes thank you very very very much
[06:53] <MsMaco> yay!
[06:53] <tommy_> god that was a headache lol
[06:53] <MsMaco> tjaalton: thank you for making up for my failure
[06:54] <tommy_> mainly from staring at such a tiny screen trying to read
[06:55] <tjaalton> MsMaco: np
[06:56] <tommy_> thanks both of you
[06:56] <tommy_> life savers!
[06:56] <tommy_> I can finally goto bed now
[06:56] <tommy_> lol
[07:44] <bryce> heya tjaalton
[07:50] <tjaalton> hey bryce
[07:59] <bryce> tjaalton, have you gotten any info on when mesa 7.6 is likely to come?  or any rc's?
[08:00] <bryce> tjaalton, I'm wondering pretty strongly if it'd make sense to pull in a git snapshot for now maybe
[08:01] <tjaalton> bryce: no idea, haven't seen any talk about that
[08:04] <tjaalton> I think there's going to be 7.5.1 before any 7.6rc
[08:06] <bryce> I heard a rumor it might not be until mid/late september for 7.6 at the earliest
[08:06] <bryce> so maybe getting too late for karmic
[08:10] <tjaalton> might be
[10:46] <Ng> http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2009/08/17/gnome-power-manager-and-blanking-removal-of-bodges/
[10:46] <Ng> I can't remember if I pasted that yet or not. it's been on my todo list to do so and wasn't removed ;)
[11:12] <bryce> Ng, christ that sounds complicated
[11:12] <Ng> bryce: I came away with a headache, and the nugget of fact that there are patches that make it all play nicely ;)
[11:13] <bryce> well, in theory ;-)
[11:15] <bryce> urf reading the comments again the old saw comes up that "xorg needs more developers"
[11:16] <bryce> xorg has plenty of developers, it's just that they're implementing features instead of attending to their bug reports
[11:17] <bryce> (well, in general; -intel often does good, as do other pockets here and there)
[11:17] <jcristau> plenty of developers, really?
[11:17] <bryce> jcristau, yeah, most of the bugs/bugfixes we see are outcomes of regressions caused by feature development, moreso than say just new hardware or longstanding regressions
[11:18] <bryce> jcristau, it's the same situation I see in inkscape
[11:19] <bryce> just piling on more developers doesn't make bugs go away, rather it means you get a higher rate of feature work, which means you get *more* bugs
[11:19] <bryce> of course, if the new features actually work, that's nice, once the bugs get worked out ;-)
[11:21] <bryce> anyway, it irritates me when I see "distros need to be providing more developers to help xorg".  It's more QA that's needed.
[11:22] <jcristau> yes.  qa isn't just done by machines though ;)
[11:25] <bryce> that's not entirely always true.  ;-)
[11:25] <bryce> anyway, it's well past time for bed.  nite.
[11:26] <jcristau> bye
[13:03] <diverse_izzue> i have a problem with dual screen on karmic. if use use two screens such that the primary screen doesn't change (that is external screen right of internal), everything works fine. If i place the external screen left of the internal one so that it becomes the primary screen, i have some trouble.
[13:03] <diverse_izzue> a) i cannot place the gnome panel on the other screen
[13:03] <diverse_izzue> b) the primary screen doesn't adjust its size to the dimension of the external monitor, so if i maximize windows they become too large.
[18:40] <bryce> Ng, stuck that second patch into xserver, thanks for mentioning it to me
[18:41] <Ng> win
[18:41] <Ng> I will now claim full credit for karmic being awesome ;)
[18:41] <Ng> I mean, thanks!
[18:45] <tjaalton> I'd be happy if the screensaver worked
[18:45] <tjaalton> maybe this will help
[18:45] <bryce> tjaalton, how's it not working?
[18:46] <tjaalton> bryce: it doesn't kick in
[18:46] <tjaalton> the screen just stays on forever
[18:46] <bryce> I've seen that on my laptop, but it's very intermittent
[18:46] <bryce> sometimes it works, sometimes not
[18:46] <tjaalton> maybe it works until I suspend the first time
[18:46] <tjaalton> happens both on my laptop and desktop
[18:47] <bryce> I get the same on my desktop come to think of it... sometimes the screen blanks on its own, sometimes it stays on forever
[18:47] <bryce> heisensaver
[18:48] <tjaalton> yeah
[20:02] <Q-FUNK> howdy!
[20:02] <Q-FUNK> can anybody sync -geode from debian?
[20:03] <Q-FUNK> minor fix cherry-picked from git
[20:03] <Q-FUNK> or well, the patch is small but the benefit significant:  restores usability on GX2 hardware
[20:12] <Q-FUNK> it simply disables the buggy EXA support in the GX driver, which makes it fall back on XAA.
[20:16] <tjaalton> use requestsync
[20:26] <Q-FUNK> doesn't work
[20:26] <Q-FUNK> change logs appear to be out of sync on the server
[20:29] <tjaalton> well, no-one here can sync it
[20:34] <Q-FUNK> ok