[02:08] <ultraputz> anyone wanna help debug whole disc encryption gone bad after standard update? (not dist upgrade) ?
[02:08] <ultraputz> brings up key prompt, gets key, then drops to initramfs
[02:08] <ultraputz> i've seen it do this before, somethign to do with the disk uuids getting munged
[03:19] <asdfadsadfs> how do i remove xubuntu
[03:21] <Darth_Tux> asdfadsadfs you mean xfce4?
[03:22] <ultraputz> anyone know what to do when update breaks lvm encryption ?
[03:23] <asdfadsadfs> nah i dont think so?
[03:24] <asdfadsadfs> i just installed it yesterday, and it's screwing with my other os (windows)
[03:24] <asdfadsadfs> well
[03:24] <asdfadsadfs> my problem is that
[03:24] <asdfadsadfs> i go on the xubuntu's login screen
[03:24] <asdfadsadfs> i type in my username / password
[03:24] <asdfadsadfs> and for some reason
[03:24] <asdfadsadfs> it just stops
[03:26] <Darth_Tux> asdfadsadfs, so you want to remove it without replacing it?
[03:30] <asdfadsadfs> yeah
[03:30] <asdfadsadfs> i just want to delete xubuntu
[03:44] <Pres-Gas> ultraputz, what updates came down the pipe?
[03:56] <ultraputz> ack
[07:57] <_ronald> how do I sudo in xubuntu? I would like to make a starter that will launch a program as root.
[08:08] <TornadoChas3r> Hello
[08:35] <turtle_> g'day all; can anyone give me some insight why I can't update the linux kernel and/or it's headers via the update manager? is there some secret I don't know?
[08:42] <TheSheep> what's the error?
[08:46] <turtle_> on initiating: not all updates can be installed - Run a partial upgrade, to install as many updates as possible. This can be caused by: a previous update which didn't complete, problems with some of the install software, unofficial packages not provided by Ubuntu, normal changes of a pre-release version of Ubuntu
[08:51] <cdoublejj> so are there any short comes of xubuntu 9.04 compared to ubuntu 9.04
[08:52] <turtle_> not that I have discovered so far cdoublejj
[08:52] <cdoublejj> same thing just lighterfrom what i'm understanding
[08:52] <cdoublejj> almost too good to be true
[08:52] <turtle_> yessir
[08:52] <turtle_> I run it on my eeepc
[08:52] <turtle_> interested to see what kubuntu is like
[08:52] <cdoublejj> i just know there waiting to rip me steal my wallet and take my girl friend :) j/k
[08:53] <turtle_> lol no
[08:53] <turtle_> life is bliss since I dumped windoze
[08:53] <cdoublejj> my toshiba 2805 s202 is a wii bit to old for ubuntu i'm beginning to think
[08:53] <turtle_> all I need to do now is work out why my kernel wont update
[08:53] <cdoublejj> oh hell i love windows too
[08:53] <cdoublejj> i think i like mac
[08:54] <cdoublejj> in gerneral i like computers
[08:54] <cdoublejj> i like gaming so my work horse is windows
[08:54] <cdoublejj> but linux is much nicer for email machines and exploratory machines like my linux box
[10:57] <bakhtiar> anybody help that how i access samba data
[10:59] <JarlG> Hello! When using Ubuntu my laptop runs fairly hot, though with XP it does not run as hot. Do You think Xubuntu will run cooler than Ubuntu? I have a Centrino Duo processor, as well as 2gb ram, so hardware shouldn't be a problem - perhaps compability? Thanks!
[11:53] <homebrewcider> halfway through printing jobs, my printer stops printing, pauses for a while then spits out the page half printed, then a lsusb command shows no printer at all,anyone had this problem?
[15:24] <Darth_Tux> hi sudobash
[15:31] <MTec007> im sure there is a way to resize the xfce desktop from terminal.. but i cant figure out how
[15:32] <MTec007> does any one know how to do that?
[15:32] <Darth_Tux> you mean edit the config file?
[15:33] <MTec007> no actually resize the desktop
[15:33] <Darth_Tux> hmmm, not sure how to from cli
[15:34] <MTec007> ok. i have a computer that is constantly forgetting to save the resolution
[15:34] <MTec007> it sets the largest res. even though i change it back down to 1024x768x85Hz
[15:35] <MTec007> (on restart)
[15:36] <MTec007> you have any ideas on that?
[15:36] <Darth_Tux> MTec007, i would look into how to edit xorg.conf
[15:36] <MTec007> ok
[15:37] <Darth_Tux> be sure to save the file as a backup before editing it
[15:39] <MTec007> it has the same exact xorg.conf as this computer and this one works.
[15:40] <Darth_Tux> you can try removing the resolutions you dont want
[15:40] <MTec007> actually it doesnt have any resolutions
[15:40] <Darth_Tux> hmmm, i havent looked at that file in a long time
[15:40] <Darth_Tux> clearly
[15:41] <MTec007> :) its ok
[15:42] <Darth_Tux> mine has them, but i am not using xubuntu atm
[15:42] <MTec007> my wife will have to get over it, and change the resolution back whenever it needs restarted until i figure it out lol
[15:42] <Darth_Tux> does it go to big? like 1280x something?
[15:43] <MTec007> like 1600x1200
[15:43] <Darth_Tux> lol, that could be a problem
[15:43] <MTec007> yeah
[15:43] <MTec007> no good for browsing the web
[15:44] <Darth_Tux> no it wouldnt be
[15:44] <MTec007> she can change it though .. until i get it fixed
[15:45] <MTec007> i wonder if theres a problem with the resolution versus the 85Hz that it doesnt save the resolution i set
[15:45] <MTec007> i'd hate to not use 85Hz though
[15:46] <Darth_Tux> not sure, have you checked the forums? or in #ubuntu?
[15:47] <MTec007> i searched google.. there was too much non relevant stuff
[15:47] <MTec007> maybe ill try different wording
[15:48] <Darth_Tux> that usually is good, but try the ubuntu channel, just kinda skirt that you are running xubuntu
[15:50] <MTec007> also the login screen looks to be using 1600x1200 as well
[15:52] <Nerd42> Hey I'm installing Xubuntu via Wubi on my own box (this is a public computer I'm typing on now) and the installer appears to have gotten stuck
[15:52] <Darth_Tux> MTec007, did it do that as a live CD?
[15:52] <Darth_Tux> Nerd42, wubi?
[15:53] <Nerd42> It''s at 95% and says, "Running post installation trigger initramfs-tools"
[15:53] <MTec007> i dont know
[15:53] <Nerd42> Darth_Tux, http://wubi-installer.org/
[15:54] <Nerd42> Anyway I want to know what that means and whether I should turn my machine off
[15:54] <Darth_Tux> MTec007, you should check, you can copy the config file from the live session and put it in the installed one
[15:55] <Darth_Tux> Nerd42, that looks very cool, but i have never used it
[15:56] <Nerd42> Maybe I should ask on ##windows in case this is a Wubi issue
[15:56] <Nerd42> Wubi is kind of unique
[15:56] <Nerd42> It's NOT a virtual machine ... just a virtual hard disk
[15:56] <Darth_Tux> Nerd42, really looks good
[15:56] <Nerd42> that you can actually boot to in your windows boot menu
[15:57] <Darth_Tux> i dont have a windows install to do it on
[15:57] <MTec007> lol i dont either
[15:57] <Nerd42> I've been a MicroBorg drone since MS-DOS 6.2 and it's about time I got linux on one of my own boxes
[15:57] <Nerd42> but i got a hard drive that has alot of data I don't wanna lose and I have no money for a DVD burner atm
[15:58] <Nerd42> its an NTFS drive
[15:58] <Nerd42> and I don't wanna get rid of windows, as there are a number of specialized programs and games I use that are windows-only
[15:58] <Nerd42> Wubi seems like my best option
[15:58] <Nerd42> But the xubuntu installer seems to be stuck at that message, "Running post installation trigger initramfs-tools"
[15:59] <Darth_Tux> Nerd42, dual boot is another option
[15:59] <Nerd42> Darth_Tux, not without re-installing windows
[15:59] <Nerd42> or repartitioning
[15:59] <Nerd42> or probably both
[15:59] <Darth_Tux> partitioning would be all
[15:59] <Nerd42> but then I'd lose my data
[16:00] <Darth_Tux> i doubt it
[16:00] <Nerd42> i cant make an existing partition smaller can I ?
[16:00] <MTec007> yeah
[16:00] <Darth_Tux> Nerd42, of course
[16:00] <Nerd42> o rly? wow
[16:00] <Darth_Tux> you shrink windows
[16:00] <Nerd42> well, I wanna do Wubi for now
[16:00] <MTec007> i've used gparted to do that a few times before
[16:00] <Darth_Tux> gparted works really well
[16:01] <Nerd42> ok but like, at the moment I'd like to see if I can get Wubi to work though
[16:01] <Nerd42> might try repartitioning another time
[16:01] <Darth_Tux> understood, that i cant help with
[16:03] <Nerd42> ok you know nothing about why a regular xubuntu installer would stop at that point?
[16:03] <Darth_Tux> Nerd42, it could be a bad image, a bad burn
[16:04] <Nerd42> oh really ...
[16:04] <Nerd42> wait a second though
[16:04] <Darth_Tux> it is xubuntu right?
[16:04] <Nerd42> two things occur to me that's why that might not be the case. You might be right, but only if your theory accounts for both these
[16:04] <Nerd42> 1. I successfully installed xubuntu on microsoft virtual PC on another computer a few weeks ago from this burned disc
[16:05] <Nerd42> (could be scratched now I guess)
[16:05] <Darth_Tux> could be, not sure
[16:05] <Nerd42> 2. This point at which the installer seems to have stopped is after the disc is no longer being used
[16:05] <Nerd42> and I think there was some kinda checker that checked the integrety of the install disc before the installer ran, right?
[16:06] <Nerd42> Yes, it is Xubuntu
[16:06] <Nerd42> i have an older computer, too slow for GNOME
[16:07] <Nerd42> OK so, do either of those invalidate your theory or should I turn off my machine, uninstall Wubi, and reinstall Wubi with a freshly downloaded xubuntu install disc image?
[16:08] <Darth_Tux> Nerd42, i am not sure
[16:09] <Darth_Tux> the wubi site suggest the ubuntu forums and irc
[16:11] <Nerd42> oh ok
[16:25] <MTec007> Darth_Tux: i found the command, sudo xrandr -s 1024x768
[16:25] <MTec007> where would i put that command so that it gets executed at login
[16:26] <MTec007> and how would i get past the needing root powers?
[16:26] <Darth_Tux> you would put it in a file that has that permission
[16:26] <Darth_Tux> the one i dont recall atm
[16:26] <MTec007> lol
[16:37] <MTec007> Darth_Tux: $HOME/.profile ?
[16:38] <Darth_Tux> MTec007, no
[16:40] <Darth_Tux> asking in another channel MTec007, just a sec
[16:45] <Darth_Tux> MTec007, try putting it >>> /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
[16:51] <xylox> anybody has hardinfo installed? it shows load average as zero, anybody has the same issue?
[16:54] <MTec007> it didnt work
[17:30] <petriel> hello, what can be the reason of that i can not use the alt+enter combo to get the actual file name in mc
[17:33] <Dark-Star> Hi! I'm currently trying to debug some slow xorg graphics on xubuntu (9.10) and I can't seem to find the xorg.conf and/or xorg log files. Any pointers?
[19:39] <Pres-Gas> Okay, so there were mailings in the xubu list about feature freeze and long term goals from Steve Dodier and not much replies.  Did any further discussion happen in another part of the series of tubes?
[20:27] <samphippen> can I install xubuntu into a 2*10^9 (2 decimal gigabytes) ssd?
[20:31] <TheSheep> with some stripping
[20:32] <samphippen> TheSheep, apt-get remove before installing?
[20:32] <samphippen> will that stop it from installing packages I've explicitly removed
[20:33] <TheSheep> no, I don't think so, I'd rather do a xubuntu-server install, remove some things from it, then install the pieces of xubuntu you want
[20:34] <samphippen> will xubuntu server fit into 2gigs with a gui?
[20:35] <TheSheep> xubuntu server doesn't have a gui
[20:36] <samphippen> can I install one?
[20:36] <TheSheep> yes
[20:36] <samphippen> hm
[20:36] <samphippen> mebs should go with damn small linux
[20:36] <TheSheep> I don't know exact figures, but I think freshly installed xubuntu is something around 3GB
[20:36] <TheSheep> or archlinux
[20:37] <samphippen> how large is a fresh debian?
[20:37] <TheSheep> no idea
[21:24] <tuxminator> Hi, the battery meter is acting really strange for me, I have a Asus EEE PC 701 and xubuntu 9.04. My battery meter has been showing 8% for like 30 minutes. it is very inacurrate
[21:25] <tuxminator> i have acpi utils installed
[21:52] <Nerd42> Help I'm in Xubuntu and my ... bars aren't showing up
[21:53] <th0r> Nerd42: a parole will do that for you
[21:53] <Nerd42> like, that thing at the top of the screen that has Applications and the little firefox icon and the icon for the network and the Quit button
[21:53] <Nerd42> and the ... task switching bar thing at the bottom of the screen isn't there either
[21:53] <th0r> Nerd42: open a terminal and type 'ps ax | grep xfce4-panel'
[21:54] <th0r> see if the panel is running
[21:54] <Nerd42> that's prolly it
[21:54] <Nerd42> it say, "18390 pts/2    S+     0:00 grep xfce4-panel"
[21:54] <th0r> if it isn't running try just running 'xfce4-panel &'
[21:54] <th0r> Nerd42: yeah...it is NOT running
[21:55] <Nerd42> OK the taskbar panel is back
[21:55] <Nerd42> but the Applications isn't
[21:55] <Nerd42> it say "System restart required" in a baloon now
[21:55] <th0r> Nerd42: You probably have to rebuild the panels. Try a restart and see if the panel starts now. If not, you will have to start it manually and then save the session at logout
[21:56] <Nerd42> OK thanks :)
[21:56] <Nerd42> wait
[21:56] <Nerd42> you mean linux doesnt start a new session every time you shut down?
[21:56] <Nerd42> I thought the whole point of restarting was so it would do that
[21:57]  * Nerd42 apologizes for ignorance - has been a windows/MS-DOS only user for most of life
[21:57] <th0r> Nerd42: yes, but xfce has a save session checkbox when you log out. If it is checked then when it starts back up it will start (or not start) whatever is running at shutdown
[21:57] <Nerd42> oh I see
[21:57] <Nerd42> how do I start the top panel?
[21:58] <th0r> Nerd42: right click on the bottom panel, create a new panel, and put it at the top of the screen.
[21:58] <th0r> Nerd42: use Fixed Position when you create it, and put it in the middle of the top of the screen
[21:58] <Nerd42> isn't there any easy way to reset to the default Xubuntu panel settings?
[21:59] <th0r> Nerd42: not that I know of...once you lose it...you lose it and have to rebuild it all
[21:59] <th0r> Nerd42: good news is...it doesn't take long to rebuild it
[21:59] <Nerd42> ... that SUCKS
[21:59] <Nerd42> looks like I need to put that in as a feature request
[22:00] <Nerd42> anyway how do I shut down and get a new session?
[22:00] <Nerd42> oh wait you said, make top panel manually, ok i'll try that
[22:00] <th0r> Nerd42: add Action Buttons to the panel...that is the shutdown button
[22:01] <th0r> Nerd42: and the menu is the XFCE Menu item
[22:02] <Nerd42> LOL ... the aciton button just quits the panel program
[22:04] <Nerd42> hey check out this sexy error message I just got http://pastebin.com/d6734bae2
[22:19] <Nerd42> You know what ... I think this OS may be like, fundamentally broken
[22:19] <knome> Nerd42, ?
[22:20] <Nerd42> First of all, it hangs in post-install, so I have to remember to unplug the computer from the internet during install or else it crashes and my whole install is screwed
[22:21] <Nerd42> Second, the update manager hangs/freezes, so after waiting about an hour, I shut the computer down using the GUI, and accidentally left the "save next session" checkbox on, while the frozen update manager is still running, and while I've asked it to open terminal three times with no response
[22:21] <knome> that sounds like problems in your networking, not the OS
[22:22] <Nerd42> Now, I have shut down and restarted twice, both times but every time, the xfce4-status bars don't show up, I have three terminal windows and the update manager open at startup.
[22:22] <Nerd42> It's not up to me! and the OS shouldn't crash no matter WHAT the network does!
[22:22] <Nerd42> I've NEVER, EVER had a windows XP INSTALL crash in mid-install due to network issues. That's ABSURD
[22:23] <Nerd42> er
[22:23] <knome> please calm down.
[22:23] <Nerd42> the OS installer shouldn't crash no matter what the network does - just to be clear
[22:23] <Nerd42> ok its not my network ok, its a "take it or leave it" situation on the networking side of things
[22:24] <knome> there are bugs and they are worked on, if they are first reported, then confirmed and triaged.
[22:24] <Nerd42> yeah it just seems like every time I try to actually do anything with linux, no matter what the distro, I run smack dab into them
[22:25] <knome> which version of xubuntu are you trying to install? have you tried the alternate installer?
[22:25] <Nerd42> i only managed to get here to talk to you because i had the sense to type "firefox3" in the terminal
[22:25] <Nerd42> whats the alternate installer?
[22:25] <Nerd42> I'm installing viaWubi
[22:25] <Nerd42> *via Wubi
[22:25] <Nerd42> I'm using Wubi
[22:26] <knome> rright.
[22:26] <knome> try installing from a cd
[22:26] <Nerd42> http://wubi-installer.org/
[22:26] <Nerd42> Hell no
[22:26] <knome> you will experience a lot less hassle.
[22:26] <Nerd42> This is a windows machine
[22:26] <Nerd42> I'm trying to get linux on here on a trial basis
[22:26] <Nerd42> So far it hasn't been going too well
[22:27] <knome> right, so before you say you have had no problems installing xp, try installing it inside an other os (preferably windows) first
[22:27] <knome> you can also try ubuntu with the cd - it works as a live cd
[22:27] <knome> that way you don't even need to install it
[22:27] <Nerd42> yeah
[22:27] <knome> just boot from the cd
[22:27] <Nerd42> so you think this is a Wubi issue?
[22:28]  * Nerd42 has used livecds before
[22:28] <knome> it might be, but i'm not familiar with wubi a lot. i know there is some problems with it, and this might be one of those.
[22:28] <Nerd42> the livecd thing is cool, i gotta admit, except that it won't mount NTFS partitions easily
[22:29] <knome> ntfs partitions are not exactly suggested to be used with linux.
[22:30] <Nerd42> why?
[22:30] <Nerd42> is there some patent preventing access to NTFS drives? even just to read and not write?
[22:31] <Nerd42> or is it just that whatever NTFS support that is Richard Stallman friendly just sucks?
[22:31] <knome> there are more powerful file systems than ntfs.
[22:31] <Nerd42> knome, I don't care!
[22:32] <Nerd42> at least not at the moment
[22:32] <knome> also, ntfs was created by microsoft and its specifications were not published for the public
[22:32] <Nerd42> If I was dealing with a new computer, and had a DVD burner that works which I could backup all my files on, that might be different
[22:32] <knome> that means the linux developers have had to backward-engineer the support - it's like solving the mastermind
[22:32] <Nerd42> but this is an old piece of junk, thus i'm running xubuntu instead of ubuntu
[22:32] <Nerd42> o i c
[22:33] <Nerd42> have they done it or not?
[22:34] <Nerd42> Ugh ... what I really need to do at this point is delete Xubuntu and Wubi the hell off my computer
[22:34] <knome> it's been done, yes, but the support is not 100% stable even now, i think.
[22:34] <knome> !ntfs
[22:34] <Nerd42> then I might come back to the problem at some point with a repartitioning solution
[22:34] <Nerd42> rather than Wubi
[22:34] <knome> that would be a better approach, yes.
[22:35] <Nerd42> I'd need to do it in wuch a way that the data on my NTFS partition is totally safe and not at risk
[22:35] <Nerd42> *such a way
[22:36] <Nerd42> is that doable?
[22:36] <knome> (x)ubuntu won't touch your ntfs partition, if you don't specifically ask that on install time (or later)
[22:37] <Nerd42> uhhhhhhhhh, but my NTFS partition fills the entire hard drive
[22:37] <knome> yeah. i'm not sure if resizing is possible.
[22:38] <Nerd42> unless it is, I probably won't be joining the linux / free software OS community for at least another two years.
[22:38] <Nerd42> as this computer is all I've got
[22:38] <knome> that's sad to hear.
[22:39] <Nerd42> pfft, what can I say, if the engine can't pull the cars, the train schedule is screwed
[22:39] <Nerd42> wait a second
[22:40] <Nerd42> Dangit why can't somebody make a Linux + WINE livecd ?
[22:40] <Nerd42> I really wanna see what WINE can do!
[22:40] <knome> you can browse the wine appdb.
[22:40] <Nerd42> yeah
[22:40] <Nerd42> but I mean SEE not just read about
[22:41] <knome> well, you can always ask people for experiences
[22:41] <knome> wine works well, but it needs more resources than running the apps with native windows system, as it needs to emulate windows
[22:42] <Nerd42> yeah
[22:42] <knome> if you are thinking about playing a lot of games, wine might not be the best solution.
[22:42] <Nerd42> you know, maybe I ought to give this thing one more try
[22:43] <Nerd42> knome, well Windows XP would be the solution for games
[22:43] <Nerd42> reactOS is kinda getting there ... slowly ... like an iceburg
[22:44] <Nerd42> Maybe the new Google Chrome OS will be the first modern OS that doesn't suck
[22:44] <knome> yep. i have to say, though, that my experiences on dualboot are not really that great. i did windows+linux dualboot long time a go for a while (i was still mostly a windows user) and i just used to run windows even if i wasn't going to play games
[22:45] <Nerd42> actu
[22:45] <knome> there are many OS's that don't suck already. it just depends on what you need, what is your computer/that particular os experience and also a bit about what kind of pc/hardware you have.
[22:45] <Nerd42> I was gonna try and setup Frets on Fire inside this linux today
[22:45] <knome> xubuntu doesn't suck the slightest bit for me.
[22:45] <Nerd42> like which?
[22:45] <Nerd42> that's because you don't live in the real world
[22:46] <Nerd42> you live in Linux Land lol :)
[22:46] <knome> i can do whatever i need/want to and achieve it better and faster than in any other OS
[22:46] <knome> i work in the IT industry and i definitely have experiences about windows also.
[22:46] <Nerd42> this kind of thing ... ought to just WORK
[22:47] <Nerd42> otherwise it shouldn't leave beta status
[22:47] <Nerd42> this is supposed to be all stable here
[22:47] <knome> there are things in windows that doesn't work. there are a lot of them.
[22:47] <Nerd42> not the OS installer...
[22:47] <Nerd42> the windows XP installer is actually pretty good
[22:48] <knome> again, you have not ran the windows installer from inside another OS
[22:48] <Nerd42> does inside earlier versions of windows count?
[22:48] <knome> not really.
[22:48] <Nerd42> and inside virtual machines?
[22:48] <knome> totally not.
[22:48] <Nerd42> come to think of it ... this Wubi + xubuntu thing really ought to work
[22:49] <knome> actually there is no way to even do that with windows. windows is always installed from the cd.
[22:49] <Nerd42> the only thing that isn't working here is some kind of quirk about the xfce desktop environment, because Wubi's mostly been tested for UBUNTU standard
[22:49] <knome> people are working on it, and for most people it works
[22:49] <knome> you're wrong - xfce isn't causing wubi not to work.
[22:50] <Nerd42> no
[22:50] <knome> it is just an another package to install
[22:50] <Nerd42> i'm saying, Wubi is causing xfce not to work
[22:50] <knome> have you installed ubuntu with wubi, and did it work?
[22:50] <Nerd42> Yeah for about two minutes
[22:50] <Nerd42> er
[22:50] <Nerd42> no
[22:51] <Nerd42> I haven't not installed ubuntu, only xubuntu
[22:51] <Nerd42> er
[22:51] <Nerd42> I have not installed ubuntu, only xubuntu
[22:51] <Nerd42> you know what, it's probably just something screwed up in the update manager that one time
[22:51] <knome> ok, so how can you know it's not something in your hardware making wubi not work right and because of that, break xfce?
[22:52] <knome> people have installed xubuntu with wubi with no problems.
[22:52] <knome> that's a fact. wubi is not breaking xubuntu/xfce either.
[22:52] <knome> the problem is somewhere else.
[22:52] <Nerd42> Probably some important package got corrupted ... and its one that xfce-panel depends on.... or something
[22:52] <Nerd42> that's probalby it
[22:52] <knome> that's really really unlikely.
[22:53] <Nerd42> well if its my hardware, then the bottom line would be that Windows works with my hardware, and linux doesn't, therefore I must use Windows.
[22:53] <knome> try to install xubuntu from the live cd and compare your experiences - it might turn out to be totally different
[22:53] <knome> yes, but that doesn't mean linux is broken.
[22:53] <Nerd42> LOL um you're ignoring my actual situation as described above
[22:53] <knome> no, i'm not.
[22:53] <Nerd42> i.e. I don't have a spare hard drive lying around
[22:53] <knome> if you can't, then don't. but you should.
[22:54] <Nerd42> and no way to backup right now
[22:54] <knome> i'm sorry you can't
[22:55] <Nerd42> seems to me that if the installer fails due to a network issue, that would mean ipso facto that the installer is not STABLE
[22:55] <Nerd42> which is unrelated to wubi
[22:55] <knome> wubi is not 100% stable.
[22:55] <knome> no.
[22:55] <Nerd42> and other people not using wubi have had that problem
[22:55] <knome> wubi IS NOT the (x)ubuntu installer
[22:55] <Nerd42> i'm not talking about the wubi installer i'm talking about the xubuntu installer
[22:55] <Nerd42> it hangs at 95%
[22:56] <knome> it's a software/installer made to work in/with windows
[22:56] <Nerd42> umm
[22:56] <knome> yes, but as you launch the installer from wubi, it's not really like you're doing a completely clean/normal installation
[22:56] <Nerd42> not at the point it was hanging though
[22:57] <Nerd42> o ... k ...
[22:57] <Nerd42> wait
[22:57] <knome> when installing from wubi, the installer uses what wubi has done.
[22:57] <Nerd42> i didn't launch the installer from "wubi" ... i launched the xubuntu installer from the windows XP boot menu
[22:57] <Nerd42> o i c
[22:57] <knome> those parts might have been erroneous in your machine for reason or another.
[22:57] <Nerd42> but this network problem is related to wubi .. how?
[22:57] <knome> maybe a bug in wubi or a hardware issue
[22:57] <knome> i don't know.
[22:58] <Nerd42> OK look how bout I try the install ONE MORE TIME
[22:58] <knome> i've not seen or written wubi neither do i know how it is supposed to work
[22:58] <Nerd42> and be REAL CAREFUL when running the update manager
[22:58] <knome> hope you will have better results this time
[22:58] <Nerd42> I guess I can just turn the computer off cold since I don't have to worry about screwing up the xubuntu file system LOL
[22:59] <knome> well, the file system is inside your windows partition, if i've understood correctly how wubi works..