[02:01] <andresmh> ah, after yesterdays update I lost my audio output
[02:06] <ipatrol> Hello?
[02:06] <ipatrol> Anyone here?
[02:08] <kaddi> !ask
[02:09] <ipatrol> What about a request?
[02:09] <andresmh> woah, lots of karmic updates in the past 24 hrs uh
[02:09] <andresmh> ?
[02:09] <andresmh> ipatrol, request for what?
[02:10] <ipatrol> For people to seed the karmic alpha .iso file
[02:10] <ipatrol> We're down to three peers
[02:12] <kaddi> karmic is not released yet, I would imagine that the iso-files also change with every alpha-release, maybe that's why there are so little peers?
[02:12] <ipatrol> !ask please seed the karmic alpha iso file on bittorrent so it goes faster, we're down to three peers
[02:12] <ipatrol> Why does ubottu d that?
[02:13] <kaddi> it's a bot, you can feed it commands and it'll tell you things :)
[02:13] <kaddi> !karmic
[02:13] <oldude67> cause you put a  ! at the beginning
[02:13] <kaddi> as an example :)
[02:13] <ipatrol> so it errors if the command is invalid?
[02:13] <Pici> Yes
[02:14] <ipatrol> how many gigs does karmic need?
[02:16] <Pici> Probably just as much as a normal Ubuntu instaqll
[02:17] <ipatrol> Which is?
[02:18] <kaddi> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements this is for Jaunty. It says at least 4 Gb including swap.
[02:19] <andresmh> what exactly is a *partial* upgrade? I just got a warning to run it  when trying to do an update...
[02:21] <Pici> andresmh: Its when package dependencies cannot be sastified because packages are not available.
[02:21] <andresmh> Pici, i'm not sure i understand.
[02:22] <andresmh> why would a package not be available?
[02:22] <andresmh> available in my system or on the repos?
[02:24] <ipatrol> The seed requests are working: 11 peers
[02:29] <Pici> andresmh: Its possible that a package requires a new version of some dependency and that hasn't been uploaded yet
[02:29] <andresmh> Pici, wouldn't that mean it cannot do the partial upgrade at all? It did it with no pblems
[02:30] <Pici> andresmh: It also means that there are other packages to upgrade that don't have that problem.
[03:06] <histo> Is it possible to use opengl with sdlmame without X?
[03:20] <ipatrol> Where's the ubuntu BitTorrent tracker?
[03:20] <johnjohn101> i just tried booting alpha 4 on my box. it never made it to the Gnome desktop. I think it failed trying to get to the network because of broadcom card I have ethernet plugged into router.
[03:21] <histo> johnjohn101: are you tyring to boot off the livecd?
[03:21] <johnjohn101> yes. amd64 but I have an intel dual core
[03:21] <histo> johnjohn101: what do you mean it failed? did you get an error?
[03:21] <histo> johnjohn101: does your cpu support 64bit?
[03:22] <johnjohn101> intel 2180 I think so
[03:22] <johnjohn101> it come up to a prompt
[03:22] <johnjohn101> asking for a user name and then password. I was stumped
[03:23] <histo> sounds like X didn't start what video card do you have
[03:23] <johnjohn101> nvidia 7100
[03:24] <histo> johnjohn101: should be working with out an issue although it is still alpha.
[03:24] <histo> johnjohn101: also if you cpu is hte e2180 looks like its 64bit according to intel.
[03:24] <johnjohn101> i'm running suse now.  but it doesn't try to put the nvidia on on install
[03:25] <johnjohn101> i guess the live cd won't work. I guess I'll have to install to a spare drive and see what happens?
[03:25] <johnjohn101> i had similar problems with mepis FWIW
[03:26] <histo> johnjohn101: I would check the cd for errors first.
[03:26] <histo> johnjohn101: also youc an try booting in safe graphics mode should be an option on the cds boot menu.
[03:26] <johnjohn101> ok i'll check
[03:27] <johnjohn101> thanks
[03:27] <histo> johnjohn101: you'll also be able to check the cd for defects from the boot menu
[03:27] <histo> keep in mind its alpha
[03:27] <histo> johnjohn101: you should really try with 9.04
[03:27] <johnjohn101> i know. it runs great in vmware
[03:27] <histo> I can't believe the improvements to boot times etc..
[03:28] <johnjohn101> that's what I want to check out
[03:28] <johnjohn101> plus I think i'm goinjg to switch back to ubuntu (not a fan of kde 4 or suse gnome)
[03:29] <johnjohn101> bye
[03:43] <johnjohn101> ok back, no luck  safe graphics failed and the cd had no errors
[03:44] <johnjohn101> yeah, it looks like it had trouble with the graphics card
[03:52] <lamalex> hey, does anyone know if empathy in karmic will support adium themes?
[03:52] <lamalex> or the geolocation stuff?
[03:57] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/157398
[03:57] <lamalex> anyone know about empathy in here?
[03:59] <DanaG> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378338
[04:01] <johnjohn101> danaG is that for me?
[04:01] <eMyller> hello. anyone here with kde + 3g?
[04:57] <mac_v> DanaG: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/412598/comments/5
[04:59] <DanaG> actually, my comment is a combination of both.
[04:59] <DanaG> It not only uses the wrong image... it also flickers.
[05:13] <histo> Can anyone install nvidia-glx-173 or nvidia-glx-96 I get a bunch of errors trying to install that package in karmic
[05:26] <histo> nvm I guess no one can untill its patched
[05:26] <histo> for the new kernel
[05:27] <DanaG> The nvidia 96 drivers have been broken for me for like a full year.  Or at least 6 months.
[05:28] <DanaG> They segfault the X server.
[05:28] <DanaG> And that's even on Jaunty.
[05:28] <histo> well they won't even install now
[05:28] <histo> hell I can't even get them to install on 2.6.30
[05:29] <histo> might have got it. Then I have to figure out why sound isn't working
[05:29] <histo> Nope still failed
[05:29] <histo> jesus
[05:30] <DanaG> ... has nothing to do with it.
[05:34] <histo> Not your problem but mine does
[05:34] <histo> You can't even install 96 now anyways
[05:35] <histo> have to go back to 9.04 on this one machine to early to test with the nvidia drivers being broken.
[05:35] <DanaG> I was poking fun at what could be taken as a reference to religion.  =P
[05:36] <andresmh> for some reason doing this works: speaker-test -c2 -Dplughw:0,0 -twav
[05:36] <histo> ahh missed the jesus line
[05:36] <andresmh> but no other application can play sound
[05:36] <andresmh> any ideas?
[05:36] <andresmh> i've tried flash and last.fm
[05:37] <DanaG> hmm, are you on 64-bit?
[05:37] <histo> I didn't even get to the sound problems after fighting with nvidia drivers for so long
[05:37] <andresmh> me DanaG ? no, i'm on 32
[05:37] <DanaG> ah, not the bug I was thinking of, then.
[05:37] <andresmh> so i feel like this is just a configuration issue
[05:37] <andresmh> because speaker-test -c2 -Dplughw:0,0 -twav works
[05:37] <DanaG> hmm, is PulseAudio running?  and is it the default device?  (in other words, does just plain 'alsamixer' show you the pulseaudio mixer?
[05:38] <DanaG> If so, try alsamixer -c0, to see if it's just a mixer screwup.  or make 0 be 1 or 2, depending on the cards in the system.
[05:38] <histo> After so long trying to get Framebuffer to work ughh
[05:39] <andresmh> DanaG, this is how alsamixer -c0 looks like: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285483/tmp/screenshot12.png
[05:40] <DanaG> Looks fine enough; what did just plain 'alsamixer' show?
[05:41] <andresmh> DanaG, same
[05:42] <DanaG> ah.  That means that, for some reason, pulseaudio is not being the default card.  That'd explain the lack of mixing.
[05:42] <DanaG> What's in .asoundrc and .asoundrc.asoundconf ?
[05:43] <andresmh> I don't have those files in my home dir
[05:43] <andresmh> :-/
[05:43] <DanaG> ah, that's fine, I think.
[05:43] <DanaG> hmm, I'm not sure what else to do to troubleshoot -- hmm, is libasound2-plugins installed?
[05:44] <andresmh> apt-cache policy libasound2-plugins
[05:44] <andresmh> libasound2-plugins:
[05:44] <andresmh>   Installed: 1.0.20-1ubuntu6
[05:44] <andresmh>   Candidate: 1.0.20-1ubuntu6
[05:44] <andresmh>  
[05:45] <andresmh> ah i figured it out i think
[05:45] <andresmh> in pavuctrl i had to select  Analog Stero Output profile
[06:29] <DanaG> grr, what happened to the "keep authorization" options?
[06:59] <ripps> What populates the places menu in gnome-panel and nautilus with drives that are mountable? Because I think it starts too early. I need to restart both gnome-panel and nautilus in order for my ntfs drives to show up. Otherwise I just cdrom0 and floppy0 in the menu
[06:59] <ripps> Or perhaps, gnome-panel and nautilus are starting too early
[07:34] <cdE|Woozy> hey, how do you add a stacktrace etc from a crash to an existing bug? I tried apport-collect #bug but it only uploaded Dependencies.txt
[07:34] <cdE|Woozy> is that even possible or do I need to open a new bug for that?
[07:38] <cdE|Woozy> hm, I'm beginning to think it actually wanted to upload the stacktrace etc, but couldn't due to missing permissions. /var/crash/_usr_sbin_console-kit-daemon.0.crash is owned by root, so it can't read it
[07:40] <thekorn> cdE|Woozy, I think best is to create a new bug report in this case, to get all your information in one place
[07:41] <thekorn> just run      apport-cli -c /var/crash/_usr_sbin_console-kit-daemon.0.crash
[07:41] <cdE|Woozy> thekorn, thanks
[07:41] <thekorn> if it turns out to be a duplicate of an already existing bug, you can always mark it as such later on
[07:44] <mac_v> cdE|Woozy: you dont have the root password?
[07:44] <cdE|Woozy> I do, but apport-collect doesn't ask me for anything
[07:47] <cdE|Woozy> I've now just filed a new bug, that worked
[08:21] <cdE|Woozy> grml, hitting the eject button in nautilus for my sdcard powers down my card reader and I have to re-plug the reader to use it again
[08:26] <amason_> cdE|Woozy: sounds like a pretty dodgey reader
[08:26] <amason_> i have a $10 one that behaves correctly
[08:26] <cdE|Woozy> unmounting works fine, ejecting does not
[08:27] <amason_> strange
[08:41] <nhasian> I'd like to file a new bug i discovered today but launchpad doesnt seem to be working right now
[08:41] <amason_> nhasian: works for me
[08:42] <nhasian> when i try to file a bug it says:
[08:43] <nhasian> Timeout error Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad.
[08:44] <nhasian> today i confirmed that if you install cairo-dock on a fresh install of alpha4 it will kill VLC.
[08:44] <nhasian> i tested it on two separate computers.  toshiba laptop with intel gpu and hp laptop with nvidia gpu
[08:48] <amason_> nhasian: ok. i guess just wait till its functioning correctly or try tomorrow
[08:50] <nhasian> i've found a lot of bugs in karmic so far.  this is the first time i run ubuntu+1
[09:01] <alankila> frankly, I'm always astonished at how impossibly broken the alphas and betas tend to be
[09:01] <alankila> that being said, they usually shape up remarkably in the last week or two, suddenly reaching a working status
[09:06] <nhasian> alankila, i'm surprised as well.  even the most basic things like gparted are not included in alpha4.  nor is the ability to change sound effects
[09:07] <alankila> Of course, everyone's opinion at what is "most basic" differs a great deal.
[09:08] <alankila> but yeah I think the sound control UI is still plenty broken
[09:09] <nhasian> lots of things are broken right now: no themes for gdm, no sound effects for empathy, skype doesnt work
[09:09] <alankila> For some reason it always mutes all the sounds so I never hear anything until I go turn several volume knobs up...
[09:09] <richardcavell> I see that there are some pulseaudio updates.  Can anyone vouch for these?  Last time I installed pulseaudio updates I broke half my sound.  Are these updates going to break the other half or fix the half that's broken?
[09:09] <nhasian> richardcavell, haha who knows
[09:09] <RAOF> I don't think they're likely to do either, actually.
[09:09] <nevcairiel> test it! thats what alphas are for =)
[09:09] <alankila> richardcavell: yeah I think you'll find nobody vouching for pretty much anything.
[09:10] <nhasian> I find this page pretty useful though: http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/KarmicChanges
[09:10] <alankila> For what it's worth, I'm running the latest shit the repositories have to offer and other than having to adjust volume levels and mixer knobs at every boot, I have no other complaints.
[09:11] <alankila> There is some kind of database of cards nowadays. The UI suddenly allows me to choose between IEC958 output vs. analog output vs. analog multichannel output, which is a healthy development overall.
[09:12]  * nhasian gone to sleep
[09:13] <cdE|Woozy> hm, update manager suddenly wants to install exim
[09:18] <floating> hi. how does teh thing go, if i have installed the karmic alpha3 earlier, and as I get those daily upgrades, am I now basically using that alpha 4 automatically ?
[09:19] <alankila> floating: yes.
[09:20] <floating> will I get updates even up to the beta and official release automatically too, or do I need to do something else later
[09:20] <alankila> you are on track towards the final karmic release, as it progresses.
[09:21] <floating> oh good good
[09:22] <alankila> you can control this stuff from the Software Sources option in Administration at the gnome panel or just poke /etc/apt/sources.list manually.
[09:23] <alankila> it may be useful to take a look in that sources.list file. You should see a bunch of lines, but every one that is not commented ought to say something about karmic
[10:27] <walle> hi, im testing btrfs with ubuntu 9.10-alpha4 and compression don't seems to work. I have created a btrfs with mkfs.btrfs without options and mounted with -o compression. when i create a file with zeroes both df and du reports the actual size of the file without compression.
[10:27] <walle> is there any known issues with btrfs 0.19 and compression or is this an ubuntu issue or am i dooing something wrong?
[12:15] <eagles0513875> morning karmic users
[12:18] <scizzo-> morning
[12:22] <om26er> can any 1 tell me that ubuntu moblin remix is gonna be a one time relaese or it is gonna release like regular ubuntu in a cycle of months
[12:30] <om26er> hello folks answer me plz
[12:51] <Jad> hi
[12:52]  * Jad tijj
[12:52] <Jad> does anyone know
[12:52] <Jad> when the beta realease of ubuntun 9.10 will be released?
[12:52] <Jad> approx..
[12:53] <Jad> ??
[12:53] <Jad> Oli``
[12:53] <Jad> ?
[12:53] <Jad> hi
[12:53] <Jad> :P
[12:56] <Jad> no reply :S
[12:57] <Pici> !schedule | Jad
[12:57] <Jad> lol
[12:57] <Jad> thanks Pici
[13:03]  * Jad Tijj
[13:17] <shadeslayer> hullo app
[13:17] <shadeslayer> *all
[13:30] <shadeslayer> 50 megs of updtaes
[13:30] <shadeslayer> *updates
[13:31] <Oli``> Hmm CDs and DVDs aren't automatically mounting
[13:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:42] <shadeslayer> hey
[13:46] <BluesKaj> konvi crashed ...first time that's happen in karmic
[13:46] <BluesKaj> happened
[13:48] <Almindor> hey
[13:48] <BluesKaj> aha just, checked ..a konvi upgrade
[13:48] <Almindor> I'm getting "Password for 'login' GNOME keyring:" request on console svn operations
[13:48] <Almindor> why is that?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> the svn repos is looking a gpg key aka 'a trusted source'
[13:50] <Almindor> never happened before
[13:50] <Almindor> it's a sourceforge svn
[13:50] <BluesKaj> check svn gor the gnome key , there should be instructions there how to install it
[13:50] <Almindor> I just press enter, but it's a bit odd it pops up on commits etc.
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Almindor, that's all I can tell you , I'm not an svn fan , maybe someone else can help
[13:52] <BluesKaj> or perhaps #svn
[14:06] <Almindor> it seems to me almost like if gnome keyring was interfering with SVN, the funny thing is it asks for the 'login' thing also when it's finished transmiting a commit (which doesn't make sense IMO)
[14:24] <IdleOne> I am trying to decide if I should do a fresh install of karmic or an upgrade. I read last night that the file system does not get upgraded and neither does grub. I have run +1 with every release but this release seems to have some very big changes and wondering how to get the most out of the OS. any suggestions?
[14:25] <Pici> IdleOne: You can upgrade grub manually if you want, and ext3 can be converted to ext4, but it doesn't enable all of ext4's features when doing so
[14:26] <IdleOne> Pici, so your recommendation would be not to use karmic right now but if I insist on it I should go with a fresh install
[14:27] <Pici> IdleOne: I personally upgraded from Jaunty, and I'm not having any issues. Last boot time was just under 20 seconds.  If you really want true ext4 then you should do a fresh install, otherwise you can upgrade and tweak yourself.
[14:28] <IdleOne> well I guess my question is do I really need true ext4? are the benefits that much greater?
[14:29] <Pici> I don't really know
[14:29] <IdleOne> think I will go with the upgrade.
[14:29] <IdleOne> thank you Pici
[14:29] <Pici> IdleOne: np
[14:29] <BluesKaj> Pici, what are the advantages of ext4 over ext3 ?
[14:29] <Pici> BluesKaj: Higher number?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> hehe:)
[14:30] <IdleOne> lol
[14:30] <IdleOne> well that right there is a reason
[14:30] <Pici> I really haven't looked into it too much.  I know there is some sort of online defrag, but I seem to have forgotten any of the other features.
[14:30] <BluesKaj> bragging rights ? :)
[14:38] <IdleOne> Pici, sources.list gets over written correct but do the PPA's I added also get upgraded?
[14:38] <IdleOne> I would assume they dont
[14:40] <IdleOne> here we go
[14:40] <Pici> IdleOne: I think they're disabled at upgrade, you'll need to renenable and change the release name on them after you upgrade
[14:43] <IdleOne> would be nice if the PPA's got upgraded also ( if they are on launchpad ) with a warning that they are not supported and the option to not upgraded them
[14:47] <joaopinto> IdleOne, the performance gain is substantial
[14:49] <joaopinto> answering about ext4
[14:51] <IdleOne> joaopinto, so i should of done a fresh install instead of upgrade?
[14:52] <IdleOne> to late now the upgrade is started. but I can alsways do a fresh install afterwards
[14:52] <joaopinto> yes you should
[14:52] <joaopinto> :)
[15:00] <BluesKaj> joaopinto, performance gain ?... please elaborate
[15:01] <joaopinto> BluesKaj, please try both on the same hw same install type, you will notice different boot times in the magniture of seconds, dependent on your hw
[15:02] <joaopinto> I am sure there are metrics out there, google will elaborate better than my own experience
[15:20] <BluesKaj> joaopinto, don't think I'm going to that just for a boot time advantage :)
[15:23] <joaopinto> BluesKaj, the boot time was just an example, as you may guess there is nothing special with ext4 and boot, except for the improved I/O performance
[15:44] <Oli``> Wow. The average home price in Detroit is £7k.
[15:44] <Oli``> Less than a new low-end car.
[15:47] <malnilion> Oli``, you make up for it in life insurance costs :P
[16:19] <mac_v> hmm... how long does it take for gnome-power-manager to restart , when $killall gnome-power-manager is run?
[16:40] <mac_v> or does it restart on its own?
[16:42] <andresmh> my gnome-app-install is getting stuck doing this: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285483/tmp/screenshot13.png
[16:42] <andresmh> i did apt-get reinstall gnome-app-install but it didn't help
[16:42] <andresmh> any ideas?
[16:46] <grongl> Hey
[16:47] <andresmh> I'm trying to install Acrobat Reader. I added (I think) medibuntu repos and then I did sudo apt-get install acroread but I got this error: Package acroread is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[16:47] <grongl> Need help with Karmic Koala WUBI installation
[16:47] <grongl> did a fresh install, when I  pick Kubuntu in Windows7 boot menu
[16:47] <grongl> I get
[16:47] <grongl> unknown command '{'
[16:47] <grongl> then
[16:47] <grongl> unknown command 'menuentry'
[16:48] <grongl> then machine reboots again
[16:48] <grongl> before reinstalling my wubi installation of kubuntu worked just fine
[16:48] <grongl> any ideas?
[16:53] <BluesKaj> andresmh, unfortunately my access to medibuntu is broken , so I assume it's still partly down
[16:54] <andresmh> thanks BluesKaj
[16:55] <BluesKaj> been that way for a week now , andresmh
[16:57] <andresmh> sucky
[16:59] <BluesKaj> I changed domain servers cuz i thought my crappy ISP domain server was to blame , but that made no diff
[17:15] <xray7224> my system is being a bit unresponsive =/
[17:16] <xray7224> its not using a lot of my cpu or ram
[17:16] <giovani> xray7224: what does that mean, eactly?
[17:16] <xray7224> just around gnome
[17:16] <giovani> xray7224: please run "vmstat 5 5" in a terminal
[17:16] <xray7224> its feels a bit sugglish
[17:16] <giovani> and paste the output into pastebin
[17:16] <xray7224> ok
[17:16] <giovani> sluggish for particular operations? moving windows? opening menus?
[17:17] <xray7224> opening applications, menu's arn't too bad i guess
[17:17] <xray7224> http://pastebin.com/d3a4aa1b5
[17:17] <xray7224> its not something i can't live with
[17:17] <xray7224> its just sometime i thought i should kinda note
[17:17] <giovani> ok, well the answer is very simple
[17:18] <giovani> you've heavily using swap
[17:18] <xray7224> err
[17:18] <xray7224> system moniter is showing swap as 12.6% used
[17:18] <giovani> yeah ...
[17:18] <giovani> that's a significant amount in most cases
[17:18] <xray7224> and memory 28.3% cwap
[17:18] <xray7224> *RAM
[17:18] <xray7224> sorry
[17:18] <xray7224> :P
[17:18] <giovani> if new applications are pushed to swap -- you're in trouble
[17:19] <giovani> how much physical ram does this system have?
[17:19] <xray7224> 2gb
[17:19] <xray7224> ddr
[17:19] <giovani> how long has the system been up?
[17:19] <xray7224> not too long for a linux machine
[17:19] <xray7224> err
[17:19] <xray7224> 26 hours maybe ?
[17:20] <giovani> ok -- possibly a memory leak somewhere
[17:20] <giovani> you had all of your ram used at some point
[17:20] <giovani> so the system started to use swap
[17:20] <xray7224> mmm
[17:20] <giovani> you could try restarting X
[17:20] <giovani> and seeing if this happens again
[17:21] <giovani> 2GB isn't a ton of ram of a heavily-used moden desktop, with a bloated wm like gnome :)
[17:21] <xray7224> mmm i guess
[17:21] <giovani> s/ram of/ram on/
[17:21] <xray7224> i need to upgrade just getting the cash together :P
[17:22] <xray7224> so there isn't too much i can do really ?
[17:22] <giovani> 2gb ram sticks can be had for $15-25 USD
[17:22] <giovani> xray7224: it might've been a one-time situation -- I'd restart X, or restart the entire machine, and see if it happens again
[17:23] <xray7224> allright
[17:23] <xray7224> thanks for your help
[17:25]  * Twigaathy runs without swap at all these days
[17:26] <Twigaathy> 4GB RAM is enough for me :-)
[17:27]  * kaddi runs karmic on 512Mb RAM and it works incredibly fine :p
[17:27] <giovani> kaddi: with gnome?
[17:27] <xray7224> back
[17:27] <xray7224> i did a full reboot
[17:27] <kaddi> giovani:  no kde
[17:28] <xray7224> still seems sluggish but its not using any swap at all
[17:28] <giovani> kaddi: ok
[17:28] <giovani> xray7224: what kind of cpu do you have?
[17:28] <giovani> I'm off to lunch, bbl
[17:28] <kaddi> enjoy
[17:28] <xray7224> amd athlon 64 x2 5200+ (its 2.7 ghz)
[17:35] <BluesKaj> xray7224, have you done an autoclean lately , sudo aptitude autoclean
[17:36] <xray7224> nope
[17:36] <BluesKaj> it may help
[17:36] <xray7224> doing it =]
[17:36] <BluesKaj> especially with all the updates
[17:37] <xray7224> it free'd 692mb :P im not complaining =]
[17:37] <bjsnider> giovani, what about gnome is bloated?
[17:40] <scizzo-> its not bloated
[17:40] <roscoe> I am running jaunty on a toshiba laptop i pentium4, intel, chipset 82801, AC'97 audio controller, nVidia Geforce4 420. Would you anticpate any probs in using Karmic beta now?
[17:41] <scizzo-> roscoe: its alpha
[17:41] <scizzo-> roscoe: not beta
[17:41] <roscoe> sorry, brain fart
[17:41] <bjsnider> well, he said it was bloated
[17:42] <bjsnider> roscoe, that old graphics card won't work
[17:42] <bjsnider> you can't build the nvidia drivers on the .31 kernel yet
[17:42] <bjsnider> it might work with nv or nouveau
[17:42] <bjsnider> anyway, you'll have graphics issues
[17:42] <roscoe> bjsnider, OK thanks that is what I needed to know
[17:43] <bjsnider> wait, forget nouveau
[17:43] <bjsnider> that's only for newer stuff
[17:43] <bjsnider> nv might work
[17:53] <pavka1> will be implemented xdmcp into karmic gdm? Today this doesnt work for me...
[17:55] <dotblank> wow.. im getting about 40 updates/day!
[17:58] <dotblank> hey why are   openoffice.org-help-en-gb openoffice.org-help-en-us
[17:58] <dotblank>   openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb openoffice.org-l10n-en-za
[17:58] <dotblank> being held back?
[17:59] <pavka1> dotblank: because moved from upstream?
[17:59] <dotblank> pavka1, When can I install them?
[18:00] <malnilion> dotblank, they probably depend on packages that haven't been updated yet.
[18:09] <bjsnider> impossible. the build system would fail if trying to build something against a package that doesn't exist. try doing a dist-upgrade
[18:12] <natewiebe13> hey,
[18:12] <natewiebe13> anyone know how secure ecrypt-fs acutally is?
[18:13] <malnilion> Well, it might partially depend on how secure your password is, but I'd say relatively?
[18:13] <natewiebe13> without the variable of password, what would the most secure encryption be (both to the home folder and swap)??
[18:14] <dotblank> bjsnider, I fixed it turns out malnilion was rigth but my packages updates only half worked so when I updated it again all was good
[18:15] <malnilion> dotblank, good stuff, those issues usually work themselves out for me.
[18:16] <malnilion> natewiebe13, I honestly don't know, I'm not a crypto expert.
[18:30] <dholbach> Ubuntu Global Jam meeting in 30m in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:36] <dotblank> hmm why is pidgin still at 2.5.8?
[18:38] <natewiebe13> dotblank: usually repos are a week or two behind
[18:38] <natewiebe13> hasnt been uploaded yet?
[18:38] <dotblank> no its not in the ppa either
[18:42] <xray7224> how can i be a ubuntu packager ?
[18:43] <natewiebe13> dotblank: no idea.. give it a week or so
[18:43] <natewiebe13> but its nice they finally added video support
[18:45] <dotblank> wow pidgin depends on every library on the planet
[18:45] <natewiebe13> yeah
[18:46] <natewiebe13> dotblank.. you can get it from getdeb.net, except the site is down atm
[18:46] <Pici> !packaging | xray7224
[18:46] <dotblank> yea i would but that why im compiling it
[18:46] <xray7224> thanks
[18:50] <cdE|Woozy> does anyone know why "at" now recommends default-mta instead of just suggesting it?
[19:04] <dotblank> netsplice?
[19:09] <malnilion> Yep, netsplit.
[19:27] <Kamilion> Having trouble changing my console resolution, kernel doesn't seem to accept vga=ask anymore, just babbles about the kernel not being loaded (??).  Any hints? Tried to use fbset, but that says I have no /dev/fb0, even though lsmod shows fbcon is loaded and working
[19:29] <Kamilion> All I want is just a simple 800x600 resolution, because with 16 cores, htop's CPU meters scroll everything but 3 lines in standard resolutions.
[19:30] <giovani> console resolution?
[19:30] <giovani> are you using a framebuffer?
[19:31] <Kamilion> as far as I can tell. Standard 9.10 server install.
[19:31] <giovani> so I don't know why you think your console has a resolution
[19:31] <giovani> it doesn't
[19:31] <Kamilion> fbcon is loaded according to lsmod.
[19:31] <giovani> ok -- why are you running htop from a local console?
[19:31] <giovani> that's kind of unusual and weird
[19:31] <Kamilion> because it's the remote console too.
[19:32] <Kamilion> IPMI 2.0 motherboard.
[19:32] <giovani> remote console? ssh?
[19:32] <giovani> heh
[19:32] <giovani> ipmi kvmoip is not a long-term monitoring solution
[19:32] <giovani> it's an out-of-band for-emergencies type setup
[19:32] <Kamilion> It's not for monitoring.
[19:32] <giovani> use ssh
[19:32] <giovani> htop is for monitoring
[19:32] <Kamilion> I just can't read it when I run htop.
[19:33] <Kamilion> I use htop instead of top/ps/kill/killall.
[19:33] <giovani> congrats
[19:33] <bjsnider> giovani, you never mentioned exactly what was so bloated about gnome, sir
[19:33] <giovani> bjsnider: look at the code
[19:33] <giovani> look at the memory and cpu usage
[19:33] <giovani> = bloat
[19:34] <bjsnider> i see
[19:35] <Kamilion> yeah, yeah, anyway, great, don't care about the politics, I used to be able to vga=314 with 9.04 and everything was fine. Now it's throwing me error messages. Thus, if there is a regression, someone has discovered a solution. Any help in finding a solution?
[19:35] <bjsnider> well, that's certainly...your view
[19:35] <Kamilion> vga=ask/mode is gone, so what replaces it now?
[19:36] <Kamilion> Google's turning up zilch for information.
[19:37] <Kamilion> Well, more to the point, Google's turning up nothing but old vga= information, and whatever has replaced it is simply buried in a non-obvious place
[19:46] <Kamilion> Okay, thanks to #grub, the new hotness is adding 'set gfxpayload=800x600x32' in the menu entry in grub.cfg.
[19:46] <Kamilion> Looks like it's autogenerating the grub.cfg from /etc/default/grub, which contains a 'GRUB_GFXMODE=' line. This appears to be exactly what I'm looking for.
[19:49] <giovani> bjsnider: of course it's my view ... who's view did you think I was expressing?
[19:50] <Kamilion> Or there is an alternative, using 'linux16' instead of 'linux' and 'initrd16' instead of 'initrd', which just pass the kernel command line on instead of attempting intelligence
[20:43] <lamalex> has anyone has issues with ipod on karmic? banshee isn't finding my ipod
[20:44] <lamalex> im guessing it has to do with HAL, but im not sure where to start debugging
[20:54] <malnilion> lamalex, this might sound like a dumb question, but libgpod's installed, right?
[20:58] <ipatrol> Why does empathy not have IRC
[21:02] <hggdh> ipatrol, it has, and it is the telepathy package
[21:07] <ipatrol> Telepathy should be installed by default
[21:07] <ipatrol> My installation does not show IRC as an option
[21:11] <hggdh> that may be the case, and would justify a bug on LP asking for it
[21:12] <ipatrol> What's LP?
[21:12] <genii> LaunchPad
[21:13] <ipatrol> gimme a sec
[21:18] <lamalex> ipatrol_: you need to install telepathy-idle
[21:18] <ipatrol_> I did
[21:19] <lamalex> malnilion: yah, libgpod is installed- it's definitely a HAL issue
[21:19] <ipatrol_> But it ought to be with Empathy by default
[21:19] <lamalex> yah, you should file a bug report to depend on telepathy-idle
[21:23] <ipatrol_> Why doesn't empathy support /nick ?
[21:23] <ipatrol_> or /quote
[21:25] <hggdh> ipatrol, telepathy (and -idle) is work in progress. Not all server commands are already available.
[21:26] <ipatrol> Can we at least start with /quote so functionality is not impeded in the meantime?
[21:28] <hggdh> ipatrol, the best place for you to ask this would be in the #telepathy channel. The developers tend to be there
[21:29] <ipatrol> Wait, what dependancy do I have to ask for?
[21:30] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[21:31] <hggdh> ipatrol, I understood you wanted /quote supported
[21:31] <hggdh> BUGabundo, boas, sir
[21:32] <BUGabundo> boas sr Carlos Da Villa
[21:33] <hggdh> there goes my last name, butchered to pieces ;-)
[21:34] <BUGabundo> ahahah
[21:34] <BUGabundo> who said it was your last name ? ;)
[21:39] <hggdh> heh. I did not *say* it. I just said it had been butchered
[21:39] <ipatrol> hggdh: yes, I want /quote added
[21:39] <ipatrol> It ought to be fairly simple
[21:39] <hggdh> ipatrol, then, again, #telepathy is the best channel for that
[21:40] <hggdh> and I am pretty sure patches will be accepted, mostly if they are simple
[21:40] <BUGabundo> OMG OMG OMG my world is over. Pidgin stop working with Ctrl+TAB GRRRRRR
[21:42] <ipatrol> hggdh: telepathy is a sub-package of empathy, which lacks a channel
[21:43] <guntbert> how can I remove/add an applet to the notification area?
[21:44] <hggdh> ipatrol, telepathy is the provider for IRC. If /quote is going to be implemented, it will be there
[21:45] <joaopinto> quote should be trivial to implement
[21:45] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, but it isn't the evening where i am
[22:06] <BUGabundo> ctrl tab back after pidgin restart
[22:06] <BUGabundo> I would go crazy in 30 mins if I didn't have this
[22:08] <simba_> after an update a few weeks ago the sound in my head-phones stopped working (Eee 1008ha running UNR), i was thinking it will get fixed in the next few updates...but nothing yet......i've found a setting in audio preferences to swich between headphones and front speakers....any idea of what triggers that switch when inserting headphones?
[22:09] <mac_v> BUGabundo: time to move over to empathy :)
[22:10] <BUGabundo> no no no
[22:10] <BUGabundo> time to move to pidgin 2.6
[22:11] <DanaG> Empathy is pathetic with IRC.  And severely lacks features.
[22:11] <BUGabundo> DanaG: more then pidgin??
[22:11] <DanaG> Pidgin is great with irc, as long as you have irchelper and ircmore.
[22:12]  * mac_v loves xchat
[22:12]  * simba_ loves xchat to
[22:13] <BUGabundo> DanaG: true
[22:14] <alteregoa> high
[22:15] <mac_v> alteregoa is high ... hmmm... ;)
[22:15] <alteregoa> whats up with  xfs_fsr?
[22:24]  * Kamilion prefers kvirc for his IRC client... :)
[22:25] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, is there lots of cool stuff in pidgin 2.6?
[22:25] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:25] <bjsnider> oh, i thought you'd upgraded to it
[22:25] <BUGabundo> still haven't got my hand on a build for karmic
[22:25] <BUGabundo> joaopinto won't build me one :(
[22:25] <DanaG> I'm using somebody's PPA for Jaunty.
[22:26] <bjsnider> sir, which one is that, sir?
[22:26] <DanaG> lemme check.
[22:26] <bjsnider> DanaG, do you attend cal poly SLO?
[22:26] <DanaG> yup.
[22:26] <bjsnider> ah, john madden loved all of those cal poly guys
[22:27] <bjsnider> said they were the toughest football players there were
[22:28] <DanaG> http://ppa.launchpad.net/frasten/
[22:29] <BUGabundo> DanaG: and does it work? we need to change a few libs
[22:29] <DanaG> I don't have any buddies with voice capability to test it with.
[22:29] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/~frasten/+archive/ppa
[22:31] <ding> Bauldrick, nothing new in 2.6.1 except framework for video etc later
[22:31] <ding> oops BUGabundo
[22:31] <BUGabundo> ding: ?
[22:31] <Bauldrick> dong
[22:32] <ding> i put it on my eee
[22:33] <BUGabundo> Bauldrick: LOLOL
[22:33] <bjsnider> but wait
[22:33] <bjsnider> gnome switched from pidgin to empathy because of voice and video
[22:33] <bjsnider> now that pidgin has them, why would anyone use empathy?
[22:33] <ding> duh, reading back should have been to bjsnider
[22:34] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: ehehe
[22:34] <BUGabundo> gnome never changed
[22:34] <BUGabundo> they never had a default IM client
[22:34] <BUGabundo> _we_ did
[22:34] <BUGabundo> and we changed _because_ of bad upstream relations
[22:34] <ding> it's only the framework for future features (and fragile at that i hear)
[22:35] <bjsnider> i don't think that's correct
[22:35]  * ding goes back to sandwich
[22:36] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: dude you really need to start believign me
[22:36] <BUGabundo> instead of disagring on every topic
[22:37] <scizzo-> bjsnider: BUGabundo is correct with this
[22:37] <bjsnider> well, i'm just remembering what i've read
[22:37] <scizzo-> bjsnider: there are differences between empathy and pidgin....where pidgin before was gaim
[22:38] <scizzo-> bjsnider: sounds like you read what you want to hear
[22:38] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: aint I always!?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: ahahahah
[22:38] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: well even the best can be wrong...
[22:39] <BUGabundo> I'm Perfect
[22:39] <BUGabundo> I'm never wrong
[22:39] <BUGabundo> unless I'm sleep typing
[22:39] <scizzo-> right....
[22:39] <BUGabundo> which has been happening more and more latelly :)
[22:40] <bjsnider> gnome adopted empathy as its im client as of 2.24. say so here: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9658660550.html
[22:40] <bjsnider> when i asked i one of these channels why they adopted this client instead of pidgin, i was told it was because of voice/video
[22:40] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: but does it says what they used before?
[22:41] <bjsnider> i don't think they used anything before
[22:41] <bjsnider> they had nothing, and they adopted empathy because i guess they wanted something
[22:41] <ipatrol> Even when given nearly a gig, the alpha is still pretty jerkey
[22:41]  * ding tries to remember what warty had...
[22:42] <scizzo-> bjsnider: telepathy
[22:42] <scizzo-> bjsnider: like I said before you are reading what you want to read not what is the truth
[22:42] <bjsnider> telepathy is a communications network, not an im client
[22:43] <scizzo-> "Empathy uses Telepathy for protocol support and has a user interface based on Gossip." that is the reason
[22:43] <aboSamoor> I think that empathy still lacks many usability issues, I installed pidgin. Empathy's voice most of the time is not working and pidgin features are superior to empathy's
[22:44] <scizzo-> "Empathy has replaced Pidgin as the default instant messaging client, introducing the Telepathy framework."
[22:44] <scizzo-> and that is taken from www.ubuntu.com/testing
[22:44] <scizzo-> now do you believe me?
[22:44] <IdleOne> hey is Empathy going to have voice/video support for yahoo?
[22:45] <bjsnider> scizzo-, i believe that ubuntu decided to use empathy as the default IM client. that was not my point. i was talking about gnome
[22:45] <scizzo-> bjsnider: well then ask the #gnome channel for that
[22:46] <IdleOne> never mind, I need to learn to look in the pool for water before jumping in
[22:48] <douglasawh-work> is there like an ubuntu off-topic room?
[22:48] <scizzo-> !offtopic
[22:56] <Andre_Gondim> does anyone know problem with flash audio in firefox 3.5?
[22:58] <BUGabundo> Andre_Gondim: nops. works ok for me and FF 3.7
[22:58] <BUGabundo> on 64bits
[22:58] <Andre_Gondim> BUGabundo, 3.9?
[22:58] <dajhorn> Andre_Gondim: It has been sporadically breaking and working for me as PulseAudio changes.
[22:58] <Andre_Gondim> BUGabundo, 3.7
[22:58] <BUGabundo> Andre_Gondim: yep, Firefox 3.7
[22:58] <BUGabundo> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.3a1pre) Gecko/20090820 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Minefield/3.7a1pre ID:20090820154715
[22:59] <dajhorn> Andre_Gondim: Install the latest 64-bit flash from the Adobe web site to your home directory.  Don't use the flash-helper program.
[22:59] <Andre_Gondim> dajhorn, ok, i will try
[23:00] <dajhorn> Andre_Gondim: Remember to remove any old .so flash files from /usr or anywhere else you might have them.  Flash has had recent security vulnerabilities.
[23:00] <BUGabundo> dajhorn: you are assuming he has 64bits, right?
[23:00] <dajhorn> BUGabundo: Yes.
[23:00] <BUGabundo> dajhorn: all of them patched to the latest version
[23:00] <BUGabundo> dajhorn: are you new here or something? *never* assume nothing
[23:00] <BUGabundo> much less _ask_ users to *rm* system files!
[23:01] <BUGabundo> apt should take care of that, instead
[23:01] <dajhorn> BUGabundo: Nope.
[23:01] <dajhorn> BUGabundo: Removing the flash helper doesn't get all unmanaged libflash files.
[23:01] <DanaG> https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004527.html
[23:01] <DanaG> grr!
[23:02] <BUGabundo> dajhorn: if it doesn't then it's a bug. please file it!!!
[23:02] <dajhorn> BUGabundo: lol
[23:02] <DanaG> https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2009-July/004574.html
[23:03] <DanaG> ah.
[23:06] <guntbert> what is the sensible reaction when update-manager (on daily) tells me: "not all updates can be installed, run a partial upgrade" ?
[23:06] <bjsnider> no big deal
[23:07] <bjsnider> just follow thru
[23:07] <BUGabundo> no
[23:07] <BUGabundo> guntbert: DON'T run partial updates
[23:08] <guntbert> BUGabundo: ok, just what I thought, then the obvious choice would be "close" :-)
[23:09] <BUGabundo> guntbert: or use aptitude safe-upgrade and if all goes well check aptitude full-upgrade
[23:11] <guntbert> BUGabundo: good idea - as its only a VM for testing I'm not too concerned in *this* case but want to know for the future too - thanx
[23:17] <alteregoa> houston i got a problem
[23:17] <alteregoa> whats up with  xfs_fsr?
[23:18] <bjsnider> "whats up with" is not a complete problem report
[23:30] <alteregoa> i eat a straight banana
[23:35] <IdleOne> bjsnider: is right. That is a very bad formulation of a question
[23:35] <IdleOne> but I do have an answer
[23:36] <IdleOne> xfs_fsr is not a symmetrical name
[23:36] <Twigaathy> Interesting... my SATA port multiplier works *much* better under 2.6.31 than 2.6.28... wonder if something major changed :o
[23:36] <Twigaathy> (Lower CPU use and not just massing IO wait everywhere)
[23:36] <Twigaathy> *massive
[23:37] <bjsnider> you mean esata, or internal?
[23:37] <Twigaathy> eSATA + port multiplier
[23:37] <Twigaathy> eSATA itself is just SATA with a funny shaped connecto
[23:37] <Twigaathy> r
[23:38] <bjsnider> i wonder if you had an IRQ problem
[23:38] <Twigaathy> perhaps... this is on two different machines....!
[23:38] <Twigaathy> I'll have to take a peek at things when I shift the box back to the other machine
[23:40] <BUGabundo> Twigaathy: my e-sata won't even start :(
[23:41] <Twigaathy> BUGabundo: lame :/ what motherboard/addin card?
[23:41] <BUGabundo> Twigaathy: my laptop :\
[23:41] <Twigaathy> ick
[23:41] <Twigaathy> funny chipset?
[23:43] <alteregoa> why pcs still uses irqs? there is dma and busmaster
[23:44] <alankila> IRQs are needed to tell when the operation is complete?
[23:45] <alankila> it's just a signaling mechanism. How would you do it otherwise, poll memory to find when DMA has written the last byte?
[23:45] <alankila> it's worth noting that there are optimizations against the linux kernel systems that do something like that: if you have too many IRQs it will bog you down. IRQs are suitable for low-latency work, but there's a penalty to servicing them and thus cost in bandwidth.
[23:47] <bjsnider> well, there are a lot of graphics driver issues with irq assignments
[23:47] <alteregoa> alankila, using polling
[23:47] <alankila> polling is a higher latency strategy.
[23:48] <alteregoa> it reduces adress lines or something
[23:48] <joem> In 9.10, the option to turn on certain alsa switches is gone in the volume properties. Does anybody know how to tell alsa to play output through the line-in port? There isn't an option anymore.
[23:48] <alteregoa> i just think the key is simplify the architecture
[23:49] <alankila> yes, but a simple but slow architecture is not very attractive proposition for people who do software deployments. They don't care about the complexity, they stare at benchmarks.
[23:50] <alankila> not to mention that it isn't suitable for laptops that can't have the CPU polling stuff all the time in order to react to anything. They really want to turn the CPU off for macroscopic intervals.
[23:50] <alteregoa> alankila: thats why new programs are written in c# or java or such languages
[23:50] <alankila> some are, but not all.
[23:52] <kavurt> hi guys, what does "blocked updates" mean in Kubuntu KpackageKit?
[23:52] <alteregoa> the cache is consuming over 2/3 of the cpu
[23:52] <alankila> anyway, I thought the lapic and whatnot fixed the number of IRQs to something like hundreds? And PCI has standardized the whole thing to generic configuration space stuff that seems quite robust. Last time I ever dealt with IRQs was with ISA boards. Is this really a problem today?
[23:52] <alteregoa> no, i had zorro in the past
[23:53] <bjsnider> alankila, still a problem
[23:54] <bjsnider> two important devices can still mistakenly be given the same IRQ
[23:55] <alankila> but that has to be XT-PIC stuff, which is pretty much obsolete today?
[23:55] <alankila> I thought with the new IO-APIC you just have one IRQ per device and that's that
[23:55] <binarymutant> has anyone in here got the new ati (proprietary) drivers to work?
[23:55] <bjsnider> not sure what you mean by that
[23:55] <alankila> at least this system doesn't share any IRQ and the maximum IRQ number is 29
[23:56] <bjsnider> alankila, there's an easy way to check. do cat /proc/interrupts
[23:56] <alankila> yes, I just did.
[23:57] <alteregoa> i hate to assign interrupts with those isa cards
[23:58] <bjsnider> binarymutant, i don't believe fglrx builds on the 2.6.31 kernel yet
[23:58] <binarymutant> bjsnider, they released a new version a couple of days ago
[23:58] <bjsnider> i think that one has support for 2.6.29
[23:59] <bjsnider> IIRc
[23:59] <binarymutant> ah :(
[23:59] <binarymutant> no wonder it didn't work
[23:59] <alankila> I remember that my old laptop had exactly one IRQ and it assigned almost every device on that line. But it worked just fine. There is a way to figure out which board signaled the interrupt condition and my understanding of this is that it's quite robust... so even that just worked for me. But hey, maybe I was lucky.