=== funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat === funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat === overfiend is now known as PoPpiLLs [02:01] ah, after yesterdays update I lost my audio output [02:06] Hello? [02:06] Anyone here? [02:08] !ask [02:08] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [02:09] What about a request? [02:09] woah, lots of karmic updates in the past 24 hrs uh [02:09] ? [02:09] ipatrol, request for what? [02:10] For people to seed the karmic alpha .iso file [02:10] We're down to three peers [02:12] karmic is not released yet, I would imagine that the iso-files also change with every alpha-release, maybe that's why there are so little peers? [02:12] !ask please seed the karmic alpha iso file on bittorrent so it goes faster, we're down to three peers [02:12] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [02:12] Why does ubottu d that? [02:13] it's a bot, you can feed it commands and it'll tell you things :) [02:13] !karmic [02:13] Karmic Koala is the codename for Ubuntu 9.10, due October 2009 - Karmic WILL break - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [02:13] cause you put a ! at the beginning [02:13] as an example :) [02:13] so it errors if the command is invalid? [02:13] Yes [02:14] how many gigs does karmic need? [02:16] Probably just as much as a normal Ubuntu instaqll [02:17] Which is? [02:18] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements this is for Jaunty. It says at least 4 Gb including swap. [02:19] what exactly is a *partial* upgrade? I just got a warning to run it when trying to do an update... [02:21] andresmh: Its when package dependencies cannot be sastified because packages are not available. [02:21] Pici, i'm not sure i understand. [02:22] why would a package not be available? [02:22] available in my system or on the repos? === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [02:24] The seed requests are working: 11 peers [02:29] andresmh: Its possible that a package requires a new version of some dependency and that hasn't been uploaded yet [02:29] Pici, wouldn't that mean it cannot do the partial upgrade at all? It did it with no pblems [02:30] andresmh: It also means that there are other packages to upgrade that don't have that problem. [03:06] Is it possible to use opengl with sdlmame without X? [03:20] Where's the ubuntu BitTorrent tracker? [03:20] i just tried booting alpha 4 on my box. it never made it to the Gnome desktop. I think it failed trying to get to the network because of broadcom card I have ethernet plugged into router. [03:21] johnjohn101: are you tyring to boot off the livecd? [03:21] yes. amd64 but I have an intel dual core [03:21] johnjohn101: what do you mean it failed? did you get an error? [03:21] johnjohn101: does your cpu support 64bit? [03:22] intel 2180 I think so [03:22] it come up to a prompt [03:22] asking for a user name and then password. I was stumped [03:23] sounds like X didn't start what video card do you have [03:23] nvidia 7100 [03:24] johnjohn101: should be working with out an issue although it is still alpha. [03:24] johnjohn101: also if you cpu is hte e2180 looks like its 64bit according to intel. [03:24] i'm running suse now. but it doesn't try to put the nvidia on on install [03:25] i guess the live cd won't work. I guess I'll have to install to a spare drive and see what happens? [03:25] i had similar problems with mepis FWIW [03:26] johnjohn101: I would check the cd for errors first. [03:26] johnjohn101: also youc an try booting in safe graphics mode should be an option on the cds boot menu. [03:26] ok i'll check [03:27] thanks [03:27] johnjohn101: you'll also be able to check the cd for defects from the boot menu [03:27] keep in mind its alpha [03:27] johnjohn101: you should really try with 9.04 [03:27] i know. it runs great in vmware [03:27] I can't believe the improvements to boot times etc.. [03:28] that's what I want to check out [03:28] plus I think i'm goinjg to switch back to ubuntu (not a fan of kde 4 or suse gnome) [03:29] bye [03:43] ok back, no luck safe graphics failed and the cd had no errors [03:44] yeah, it looks like it had trouble with the graphics card [03:52] hey, does anyone know if empathy in karmic will support adium themes? [03:52] or the geolocation stuff? [03:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/157398 [03:57] Ubuntu bug 157398 in gnome-control-center "GNOME default DPI doesn't match X default DPI" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [03:57] anyone know about empathy in here? [03:59] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378338 [03:59] Gnome bug 378338 in settings-daemon "Deal with X servers which misreport the screen's dimensions" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [04:01] danaG is that for me? [04:01] hello. anyone here with kde + 3g? [04:57] DanaG: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xsplash/+bug/412598/comments/5 [04:57] Ubuntu bug 412598 in xsplash "Xsplash only uses the default wallpaper during transition to desktop." [Undecided,Confirmed] [04:59] actually, my comment is a combination of both. [04:59] It not only uses the wrong image... it also flickers. [05:13] Can anyone install nvidia-glx-173 or nvidia-glx-96 I get a bunch of errors trying to install that package in karmic [05:26] nvm I guess no one can untill its patched [05:26] for the new kernel [05:27] The nvidia 96 drivers have been broken for me for like a full year. Or at least 6 months. [05:28] They segfault the X server. [05:28] And that's even on Jaunty. [05:28] well they won't even install now [05:28] hell I can't even get them to install on 2.6.30 [05:29] might have got it. Then I have to figure out why sound isn't working [05:29] Nope still failed [05:29] jesus [05:30] ... has nothing to do with it. === djdarkman_clone is now known as djdarkman [05:34] Not your problem but mine does [05:34] You can't even install 96 now anyways [05:35] have to go back to 9.04 on this one machine to early to test with the nvidia drivers being broken. [05:35] I was poking fun at what could be taken as a reference to religion. =P [05:36] for some reason doing this works: speaker-test -c2 -Dplughw:0,0 -twav [05:36] ahh missed the jesus line [05:36] but no other application can play sound [05:36] any ideas? [05:36] i've tried flash and last.fm [05:37] hmm, are you on 64-bit? [05:37] I didn't even get to the sound problems after fighting with nvidia drivers for so long [05:37] me DanaG ? no, i'm on 32 [05:37] ah, not the bug I was thinking of, then. [05:37] so i feel like this is just a configuration issue [05:37] because speaker-test -c2 -Dplughw:0,0 -twav works [05:37] hmm, is PulseAudio running? and is it the default device? (in other words, does just plain 'alsamixer' show you the pulseaudio mixer? [05:38] If so, try alsamixer -c0, to see if it's just a mixer screwup. or make 0 be 1 or 2, depending on the cards in the system. [05:38] After so long trying to get Framebuffer to work ughh [05:39] DanaG, this is how alsamixer -c0 looks like: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285483/tmp/screenshot12.png [05:40] Looks fine enough; what did just plain 'alsamixer' show? [05:41] DanaG, same [05:42] ah. That means that, for some reason, pulseaudio is not being the default card. That'd explain the lack of mixing. [05:42] What's in .asoundrc and .asoundrc.asoundconf ? [05:43] I don't have those files in my home dir [05:43] :-/ [05:43] ah, that's fine, I think. [05:43] hmm, I'm not sure what else to do to troubleshoot -- hmm, is libasound2-plugins installed? [05:44] apt-cache policy libasound2-plugins [05:44] libasound2-plugins: [05:44] Installed: 1.0.20-1ubuntu6 [05:44] Candidate: 1.0.20-1ubuntu6 [05:44] [05:45] ah i figured it out i think [05:45] in pavuctrl i had to select Analog Stero Output profile [06:29] grr, what happened to the "keep authorization" options? [06:59] What populates the places menu in gnome-panel and nautilus with drives that are mountable? Because I think it starts too early. I need to restart both gnome-panel and nautilus in order for my ntfs drives to show up. Otherwise I just cdrom0 and floppy0 in the menu [06:59] Or perhaps, gnome-panel and nautilus are starting too early === SuBmUnDo_ is now known as PlaYStatiON [07:34] hey, how do you add a stacktrace etc from a crash to an existing bug? I tried apport-collect #bug but it only uploaded Dependencies.txt [07:34] is that even possible or do I need to open a new bug for that? [07:38] hm, I'm beginning to think it actually wanted to upload the stacktrace etc, but couldn't due to missing permissions. /var/crash/_usr_sbin_console-kit-daemon.0.crash is owned by root, so it can't read it [07:40] cdE|Woozy, I think best is to create a new bug report in this case, to get all your information in one place [07:41] just run apport-cli -c /var/crash/_usr_sbin_console-kit-daemon.0.crash [07:41] thekorn, thanks [07:41] if it turns out to be a duplicate of an already existing bug, you can always mark it as such later on [07:44] cdE|Woozy: you dont have the root password? [07:44] I do, but apport-collect doesn't ask me for anything [07:47] I've now just filed a new bug, that worked [08:21] grml, hitting the eject button in nautilus for my sdcard powers down my card reader and I have to re-plug the reader to use it again [08:26] cdE|Woozy: sounds like a pretty dodgey reader [08:26] i have a $10 one that behaves correctly [08:26] unmounting works fine, ejecting does not [08:27] strange [08:41] I'd like to file a new bug i discovered today but launchpad doesnt seem to be working right now [08:41] nhasian: works for me [08:42] when i try to file a bug it says: [08:43] Timeout error Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. [08:44] today i confirmed that if you install cairo-dock on a fresh install of alpha4 it will kill VLC. [08:44] i tested it on two separate computers. toshiba laptop with intel gpu and hp laptop with nvidia gpu [08:48] nhasian: ok. i guess just wait till its functioning correctly or try tomorrow [08:50] i've found a lot of bugs in karmic so far. this is the first time i run ubuntu+1 [09:01] frankly, I'm always astonished at how impossibly broken the alphas and betas tend to be [09:01] that being said, they usually shape up remarkably in the last week or two, suddenly reaching a working status [09:06] alankila, i'm surprised as well. even the most basic things like gparted are not included in alpha4. nor is the ability to change sound effects [09:07] Of course, everyone's opinion at what is "most basic" differs a great deal. [09:08] but yeah I think the sound control UI is still plenty broken [09:09] lots of things are broken right now: no themes for gdm, no sound effects for empathy, skype doesnt work [09:09] For some reason it always mutes all the sounds so I never hear anything until I go turn several volume knobs up... [09:09] I see that there are some pulseaudio updates. Can anyone vouch for these? Last time I installed pulseaudio updates I broke half my sound. Are these updates going to break the other half or fix the half that's broken? [09:09] richardcavell, haha who knows [09:09] I don't think they're likely to do either, actually. [09:09] test it! thats what alphas are for =) [09:09] richardcavell: yeah I think you'll find nobody vouching for pretty much anything. [09:10] I find this page pretty useful though: http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/KarmicChanges [09:10] For what it's worth, I'm running the latest shit the repositories have to offer and other than having to adjust volume levels and mixer knobs at every boot, I have no other complaints. [09:11] There is some kind of database of cards nowadays. The UI suddenly allows me to choose between IEC958 output vs. analog output vs. analog multichannel output, which is a healthy development overall. [09:12] * nhasian gone to sleep [09:13] hm, update manager suddenly wants to install exim [09:18] hi. how does teh thing go, if i have installed the karmic alpha3 earlier, and as I get those daily upgrades, am I now basically using that alpha 4 automatically ? [09:19] floating: yes. [09:20] will I get updates even up to the beta and official release automatically too, or do I need to do something else later [09:20] you are on track towards the final karmic release, as it progresses. [09:21] oh good good [09:22] you can control this stuff from the Software Sources option in Administration at the gnome panel or just poke /etc/apt/sources.list manually. [09:23] it may be useful to take a look in that sources.list file. You should see a bunch of lines, but every one that is not commented ought to say something about karmic [10:27] hi, im testing btrfs with ubuntu 9.10-alpha4 and compression don't seems to work. I have created a btrfs with mkfs.btrfs without options and mounted with -o compression. when i create a file with zeroes both df and du reports the actual size of the file without compression. [10:27] is there any known issues with btrfs 0.19 and compression or is this an ubuntu issue or am i dooing something wrong? [12:15] morning karmic users [12:18] morning [12:22] can any 1 tell me that ubuntu moblin remix is gonna be a one time relaese or it is gonna release like regular ubuntu in a cycle of months === xray7224_ is now known as xray7224 [12:30] hello folks answer me plz [12:51] hi [12:52] * Jad tijj [12:52] does anyone know [12:52] when the beta realease of ubuntun 9.10 will be released? [12:52] approx.. [12:53] ?? [12:53] Oli`` [12:53] ? [12:53] hi [12:53] :P [12:56] no reply :S [12:57] !schedule | Jad [12:57] Jad: A schedule of Karmic Koala (9.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicReleaseSchedule [12:57] lol [12:57] thanks Pici [13:03] * Jad Tijj [13:17] hullo app [13:17] *all [13:30] 50 megs of updtaes [13:30] *updates [13:31] Hmm CDs and DVDs aren't automatically mounting [13:41] Howdy all [13:42] hey [13:46] konvi crashed ...first time that's happen in karmic [13:46] happened [13:48] hey [13:48] aha just, checked ..a konvi upgrade [13:48] I'm getting "Password for 'login' GNOME keyring:" request on console svn operations [13:48] why is that? [13:49] the svn repos is looking a gpg key aka 'a trusted source' [13:50] never happened before [13:50] it's a sourceforge svn [13:50] check svn gor the gnome key , there should be instructions there how to install it [13:50] I just press enter, but it's a bit odd it pops up on commits etc. [13:52] Almindor, that's all I can tell you , I'm not an svn fan , maybe someone else can help [13:52] or perhaps #svn [14:06] it seems to me almost like if gnome keyring was interfering with SVN, the funny thing is it asks for the 'login' thing also when it's finished transmiting a commit (which doesn't make sense IMO) [14:24] I am trying to decide if I should do a fresh install of karmic or an upgrade. I read last night that the file system does not get upgraded and neither does grub. I have run +1 with every release but this release seems to have some very big changes and wondering how to get the most out of the OS. any suggestions? [14:25] IdleOne: You can upgrade grub manually if you want, and ext3 can be converted to ext4, but it doesn't enable all of ext4's features when doing so [14:26] Pici, so your recommendation would be not to use karmic right now but if I insist on it I should go with a fresh install [14:27] IdleOne: I personally upgraded from Jaunty, and I'm not having any issues. Last boot time was just under 20 seconds. If you really want true ext4 then you should do a fresh install, otherwise you can upgrade and tweak yourself. [14:28] well I guess my question is do I really need true ext4? are the benefits that much greater? [14:29] I don't really know [14:29] think I will go with the upgrade. [14:29] thank you Pici [14:29] IdleOne: np [14:29] Pici, what are the advantages of ext4 over ext3 ? [14:29] BluesKaj: Higher number? [14:30] hehe:) [14:30] lol [14:30] well that right there is a reason [14:30] I really haven't looked into it too much. I know there is some sort of online defrag, but I seem to have forgotten any of the other features. [14:30] bragging rights ? :) [14:38] Pici, sources.list gets over written correct but do the PPA's I added also get upgraded? [14:38] I would assume they dont [14:40] here we go [14:40] IdleOne: I think they're disabled at upgrade, you'll need to renenable and change the release name on them after you upgrade [14:43] would be nice if the PPA's got upgraded also ( if they are on launchpad ) with a warning that they are not supported and the option to not upgraded them [14:47] IdleOne, the performance gain is substantial [14:49] answering about ext4 [14:51] joaopinto, so i should of done a fresh install instead of upgrade? [14:52] to late now the upgrade is started. but I can alsways do a fresh install afterwards [14:52] yes you should [14:52] :) [15:00] joaopinto, performance gain ?... please elaborate [15:01] BluesKaj, please try both on the same hw same install type, you will notice different boot times in the magniture of seconds, dependent on your hw [15:02] I am sure there are metrics out there, google will elaborate better than my own experience [15:20] joaopinto, don't think I'm going to that just for a boot time advantage :) === Pici` is now known as Pici [15:23] BluesKaj, the boot time was just an example, as you may guess there is nothing special with ext4 and boot, except for the improved I/O performance [15:44] Wow. The average home price in Detroit is £7k. [15:44] Less than a new low-end car. [15:47] Oli``, you make up for it in life insurance costs :P [16:19] hmm... how long does it take for gnome-power-manager to restart , when $killall gnome-power-manager is run? [16:40] or does it restart on its own? [16:42] my gnome-app-install is getting stuck doing this: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/285483/tmp/screenshot13.png [16:42] i did apt-get reinstall gnome-app-install but it didn't help [16:42] any ideas? [16:46] Hey [16:47] I'm trying to install Acrobat Reader. I added (I think) medibuntu repos and then I did sudo apt-get install acroread but I got this error: Package acroread is not available, but is referred to by another package. [16:47] Need help with Karmic Koala WUBI installation [16:47] did a fresh install, when I pick Kubuntu in Windows7 boot menu [16:47] I get [16:47] unknown command '{' [16:47] then [16:47] unknown command 'menuentry' [16:48] then machine reboots again [16:48] before reinstalling my wubi installation of kubuntu worked just fine [16:48] any ideas? [16:53] andresmh, unfortunately my access to medibuntu is broken , so I assume it's still partly down [16:54] thanks BluesKaj [16:55] been that way for a week now , andresmh [16:57] sucky [16:59] I changed domain servers cuz i thought my crappy ISP domain server was to blame , but that made no diff [17:15] my system is being a bit unresponsive =/ [17:16] its not using a lot of my cpu or ram [17:16] xray7224: what does that mean, eactly? [17:16] just around gnome [17:16] xray7224: please run "vmstat 5 5" in a terminal [17:16] its feels a bit sugglish [17:16] and paste the output into pastebin [17:16] ok [17:16] sluggish for particular operations? moving windows? opening menus? [17:17] opening applications, menu's arn't too bad i guess [17:17] http://pastebin.com/d3a4aa1b5 [17:17] its not something i can't live with [17:17] its just sometime i thought i should kinda note [17:17] ok, well the answer is very simple [17:18] you've heavily using swap [17:18] err [17:18] system moniter is showing swap as 12.6% used [17:18] yeah ... [17:18] that's a significant amount in most cases [17:18] and memory 28.3% cwap [17:18] *RAM [17:18] sorry [17:18] :P [17:18] if new applications are pushed to swap -- you're in trouble [17:19] how much physical ram does this system have? [17:19] 2gb [17:19] ddr [17:19] how long has the system been up? [17:19] not too long for a linux machine [17:19] err [17:19] 26 hours maybe ? [17:20] ok -- possibly a memory leak somewhere [17:20] you had all of your ram used at some point [17:20] so the system started to use swap [17:20] mmm [17:20] you could try restarting X [17:20] and seeing if this happens again [17:21] 2GB isn't a ton of ram of a heavily-used moden desktop, with a bloated wm like gnome :) [17:21] mmm i guess [17:21] s/ram of/ram on/ [17:21] i need to upgrade just getting the cash together :P [17:22] so there isn't too much i can do really ? [17:22] 2gb ram sticks can be had for $15-25 USD [17:22] xray7224: it might've been a one-time situation -- I'd restart X, or restart the entire machine, and see if it happens again [17:23] allright [17:23] thanks for your help [17:25] * Twigaathy runs without swap at all these days [17:26] 4GB RAM is enough for me :-) [17:27] * kaddi runs karmic on 512Mb RAM and it works incredibly fine :p [17:27] kaddi: with gnome? [17:27] back [17:27] i did a full reboot [17:27] giovani: no kde [17:28] still seems sluggish but its not using any swap at all [17:28] kaddi: ok [17:28] xray7224: what kind of cpu do you have? [17:28] I'm off to lunch, bbl [17:28] enjoy [17:28] amd athlon 64 x2 5200+ (its 2.7 ghz) [17:35] xray7224, have you done an autoclean lately , sudo aptitude autoclean [17:36] nope [17:36] it may help [17:36] doing it =] [17:36] especially with all the updates [17:37] it free'd 692mb :P im not complaining =] [17:37] giovani, what about gnome is bloated? [17:40] its not bloated [17:40] I am running jaunty on a toshiba laptop i pentium4, intel, chipset 82801, AC'97 audio controller, nVidia Geforce4 420. Would you anticpate any probs in using Karmic beta now? [17:41] roscoe: its alpha [17:41] roscoe: not beta [17:41] sorry, brain fart [17:41] well, he said it was bloated [17:42] roscoe, that old graphics card won't work [17:42] you can't build the nvidia drivers on the .31 kernel yet [17:42] it might work with nv or nouveau [17:42] anyway, you'll have graphics issues [17:42] bjsnider, OK thanks that is what I needed to know [17:43] wait, forget nouveau [17:43] that's only for newer stuff [17:43] nv might work [17:53] will be implemented xdmcp into karmic gdm? Today this doesnt work for me... [17:55] wow.. im getting about 40 updates/day! [17:58] hey why are openoffice.org-help-en-gb openoffice.org-help-en-us [17:58] openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb openoffice.org-l10n-en-za [17:58] being held back? [17:59] dotblank: because moved from upstream? [17:59] pavka1, When can I install them? [18:00] dotblank, they probably depend on packages that haven't been updated yet. [18:09] impossible. the build system would fail if trying to build something against a package that doesn't exist. try doing a dist-upgrade [18:12] hey, [18:12] anyone know how secure ecrypt-fs acutally is? [18:13] Well, it might partially depend on how secure your password is, but I'd say relatively? [18:13] without the variable of password, what would the most secure encryption be (both to the home folder and swap)?? [18:14] bjsnider, I fixed it turns out malnilion was rigth but my packages updates only half worked so when I updated it again all was good [18:15] dotblank, good stuff, those issues usually work themselves out for me. [18:16] natewiebe13, I honestly don't know, I'm not a crypto expert. [18:30] Ubuntu Global Jam meeting in 30m in #ubuntu-meeting [18:36] hmm why is pidgin still at 2.5.8? [18:38] dotblank: usually repos are a week or two behind [18:38] hasnt been uploaded yet? [18:38] no its not in the ppa either [18:42] how can i be a ubuntu packager ? [18:43] dotblank: no idea.. give it a week or so [18:43] but its nice they finally added video support [18:45] wow pidgin depends on every library on the planet [18:45] yeah [18:46] dotblank.. you can get it from getdeb.net, except the site is down atm [18:46] !packaging | xray7224 [18:46] xray7224: The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports [18:46] yea i would but that why im compiling it [18:46] thanks [18:50] does anyone know why "at" now recommends default-mta instead of just suggesting it? [19:04] netsplice? [19:09] Yep, netsplit. [19:27] Having trouble changing my console resolution, kernel doesn't seem to accept vga=ask anymore, just babbles about the kernel not being loaded (??). Any hints? Tried to use fbset, but that says I have no /dev/fb0, even though lsmod shows fbcon is loaded and working [19:29] All I want is just a simple 800x600 resolution, because with 16 cores, htop's CPU meters scroll everything but 3 lines in standard resolutions. [19:30] console resolution? [19:30] are you using a framebuffer? [19:31] as far as I can tell. Standard 9.10 server install. [19:31] so I don't know why you think your console has a resolution [19:31] it doesn't [19:31] fbcon is loaded according to lsmod. [19:31] ok -- why are you running htop from a local console? [19:31] that's kind of unusual and weird [19:31] because it's the remote console too. [19:32] IPMI 2.0 motherboard. [19:32] remote console? ssh? [19:32] heh [19:32] ipmi kvmoip is not a long-term monitoring solution [19:32] it's an out-of-band for-emergencies type setup [19:32] It's not for monitoring. [19:32]