| soreau | Would someone be able to tell me how to use wild card characters with apt, ie. 'aptitude <action> *package*' ? | 00:17 |
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| ebroder | 'aptitude action ~npackage' | 00:17 |
| mathiaz | soreau: use quotes ",' around your package otherwise you'll get shell globing | 00:18 |
| soreau | Thank you ebroder | 00:18 |
| soreau | mathiaz: What? | 00:18 |
| ebroder | Oh yeah - mathiaz is right. aptitude will handle * without the ~n | 00:19 |
| ebroder | But your shell is eating the * if you don't do '*package*' <- with the quotes | 00:19 |
| directhex | om nom nom | 00:21 |
| soreau | ebroder: ~n works but I don't understand how to do the same with quotes | 00:22 |
| Laney | mmm asterisk | 00:22 |
| ebroder | soreau: aptitude install '*package*' | 00:22 |
| ebroder | Leave the quotes there | 00:22 |
| ebroder | Go read http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_03_03.html | 00:23 |
| soreau | ebroder: I am actually using version number and doing that just says it can't find package "*<version>*" | 00:23 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 06:19 |
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| chrisccoulson | does anyone know if it is possible to stop the apport retracer from marking new bug reports as duplicates of a particular bug report? i'm investigating a gnome-settings-daemon crash, which is getting lots and lots of duplicates, but it has a similar backtrace to an older (now fixed) crash, and apport is continually marking the new reports as duplicates of the old (fixed) report | 09:00 |
| chrisccoulson | there is currently someone manually changing the duplicate link on every new report | 09:00 |
| \sh | guys, after / mount, after the fscks, when fsck breaks, it tells me that it writes a log file under /var/log/<bla>/ but at this stage, /var/log is not even correctly available, because the mounts were not going through...where does it write the logfiles then? | 09:01 |
| \sh | (disregarding the fact of people using flat directory structures with a single partition) | 09:01 |
| dholbach | chrisccoulson: pitti would know, but he's on holidays | 09:03 |
| chrisccoulson | dholbach - thanks | 09:04 |
| chrisccoulson | its unfortunate, because it scrubs the stacetrace from every new report | 09:04 |
| dholbach | maybe drop him an email | 09:05 |
| chrisccoulson | dholbach - i don't want to disturb him on his vacation ;) | 09:05 |
| chrisccoulson | it's nearly the end of the week now anyway, so he'll be back in a couple of working days | 09:05 |
| dholbach | I dunno what he was planning, if he has a similar vacation as I had, then you'd be out of luck :) | 09:06 |
| ogra | he might have taken two weeks ... | 09:06 |
| chrisccoulson | ogra - yeah, he's taken 2 weeks | 09:06 |
| chrisccoulson | this is the second week already though | 09:06 |
| ogra | and if he reads mails during holidays its his own fault ;) | 09:06 |
| ogra | its not like you ring his mobile or so ;) | 09:07 |
| chrisccoulson | heh, yeah, he should switch his mobile off when on vacation ;) | 09:08 |
| chrisccoulson | i had my employer phone me up once when on vacation | 09:08 |
| chrisccoulson | i was not very happy ;) | 09:08 |
| highvoltage | I guess it depends on your kind of job, in some situations it's acceptable for your boss to phone you during holidays. | 09:10 |
| chrisccoulson | not in my job it's not ;) | 09:11 |
| glatzor | morning mvo | 09:23 |
| mvo | hey glatzor! | 09:30 |
| glatzor | mvo, I wrote a transaction cache using a metaclass | 09:39 |
| mvo | glatzor: sweet, what do you think about the dettach() code? | 09:39 |
| glatzor | mvo, merged in (I rewrote your patch to fix a spelling error and use another naming convention signal_matchers) | 09:43 |
| glatzor | thanks a lot | 09:43 |
| glatzor | mvo, I also added a time out to the daemon transaction | 09:43 |
| glatzor | you now have got 30 seconds between requesting a transaction and performing an action with it | 09:44 |
| glatzor | furthermore the transaction will be removed after it is finished from the bus | 09:44 |
| mvo | glatzor: nice, so all leakings should be gone now - thanks a lot :) | 09:48 |
| glatzor | mvo, by the way how can I track a bug ony for a single ubuntu version? I fixed a bug in karmic which is still present in jaunty. | 09:48 |
| mvo | glatzor: you can add a karmic bugtask and a jaunty one | 09:48 |
| mvo | glatzor: and close them individually | 09:49 |
| mvo | glatzor: what is the bugnumber? | 09:49 |
| glatzor | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/369081 | 09:52 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 369081 in packagekit "AttributeError: 'DebPackage' object has no attribute 'pkgName' when installing virtualbox deb in kpackagekit" [Medium,Confirmed] | 09:52 |
| mvo | glatzor: I added them (via nominate for release | 09:55 |
| lifeless | mvo: hi | 10:03 |
| lifeless | mvo: I'm sitting on my jaunty desktop; building a few things and installing the debs | 10:03 |
| lifeless | mvo: /every time I install one/ update-manager pops up in my face about some [dangerous X-edger stuff] | 10:04 |
| lifeless | mvo: not to mention that my CPU churns while it re-reads the DB :( | 10:04 |
| lifeless | mvo: any advice ? | 10:04 |
| mvo | lifeless: could you please try installing the update-notifier from jaunty-proposed? | 10:09 |
| mvo | lifeless: that sounds like bug 369198) | 10:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 369198 in update-notifier "update-manager auto-opened after each apt use when security updates available" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/369198 | 10:09 |
| jms | i wonder why the display config doodad in jaunty refuses to push 1600x1200 to my external monitor. is there an ubuntu x channel? | 10:09 |
| lifeless | mvo: thanks! | 10:10 |
| evand | tkamppeter: Should foomatic-db-hpijs be removed from the seeds now that foomatic-db replaces it? | 10:11 |
| tkamppeter | evand, yes, packages which should be removed are foomatic-db-hpijs and hal-cups-utils. | 10:12 |
| evand | tkamppeter: okay, I'll update the seeds then | 10:12 |
| RAOF | jms: Yes; #ubuntu-x | 10:12 |
| tkamppeter | evand: Thanks. | 10:12 |
| evand | sure thing | 10:12 |
| jms | ta RAOF | 10:13 |
| jms | hm, no right-click join channel in smuxi | 10:13 |
| evand | tkamppeter: I take it the hpijs and hplip packages can stay, correct? | 10:13 |
| tkamppeter | Yes, hplip is the principal driver package for HP printers, perfectly maintained by HP, and hpijs is a binary sub-package of hplip. | 10:15 |
| tkamppeter | So both have to stay. | 10:15 |
| evand | great, thanks! | 10:16 |
| lifeless | mvo: :( it still turns up, or do I need to kill a process? | 10:17 |
| mvo | lifeless: yeah, killall update-notifier and start it again | 10:18 |
| tkamppeter | evand: foomatic-db recommends hpijs and hplip recommends hplip-cups. This should assure that the HPLIP printer drivers get installed. | 10:18 |
| evand | ah, noted | 10:19 |
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| Unggnu | hi all | 11:30 |
| Unggnu | I like the Netbook edition very much but it lacks one thing. Is it somehow possible to use a background image? I would like to use this version for my mothers laptop but she always has an image of the whole family is background which she would probably miss. | 11:30 |
| Unggnu | So that the netbook menu is transparent or something like that. | 11:31 |
| Unggnu | The netbook menu application also doesn't restart if it crashes in Karmic. | 11:36 |
| glatzor | mvo, hello. the new install|broken|delete_count are broken in the latest python-apt | 11:39 |
| mvo | glatzor: fixed in my tree, thanks | 11:41 |
| glatzor | mvo, will you also merge revno 304? | 11:42 |
| glatzor | mvo, my last uses of the internal _depcache object are for the problem resolver/action group factory, IsInstBroken and IsAutoInstalled | 11:47 |
| glatzor | mvo, for actiongroup jak already implemented the context manager | 11:48 |
| mvo | glatzor: yes, I can merge that as well | 11:55 |
| glatzor | mvo, see you i Have to change trains! | 11:57 |
| Riddell | tkamppeter: CD builds are broken with foomatic-db: Recommends: cjet but it is not installable any fix on the way? | 12:00 |
| slangasek | ccheney`: something appears to have regressed in openoffice.org-l10n since alpha4; openoffice.org-*-en-{gb,za} are being pulled onto the CD again | 12:01 |
| * mvo waves to glatzor | 12:03 | |
| mvo | hey slangasek! | 12:06 |
| * slangasek waves | 12:06 | |
| ogra | StevenK, there is a linux-image-imx51 and friends in binary NEW, could you punch that so it gets published ? | 12:47 |
| ogra | or al-maisan_ ^^ (either of you is archive admin of the day it seems :) ) | 12:50 |
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| al-maisan | ogra: I am still a learner :) and was advised to stay away from the NEW queue initially :) | 13:10 |
| ogra | oh, even binary ? | 13:10 |
| ogra | i'll wait for someone else then | 13:10 |
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| al-maisan | ogra: I ran lintian on linux-image-imx51 and friends; please see http://pastebin.com/df22969e | 13:36 |
| al-maisan | ogra: is that what you'd expect to see? | 13:36 |
| slangasek | al-maisan: well, the 'unknown-architecture' warning is self-evidently spurious :) | 13:37 |
| ogra | heh, i have never run lintian on a kernel package from the kernel team, so i dont know | 13:37 |
| al-maisan | aha :) | 13:37 |
| ogra | linux-image-2.6.31-100-imx51: no-copyright-file is a bit funny | 13:37 |
| slangasek | "funny" - in that if it's true, it makes the package undistributable | 13:38 |
| slangasek | and it's true :( | 13:38 |
| ogra | well, its using the std kernel team scripts .... weird | 13:38 |
| ogra | i would exepect the outcome to be the same as other kernel packages | 13:39 |
| al-maisan | so, what now? should the binary be rejected? | 13:39 |
| slangasek | al-maisan: yes, unfortunately | 13:41 |
| * amitk al-maisan | 13:41 | |
| amitk | oops | 13:41 |
| al-maisan | :) | 13:41 |
| ogra | al-maisan, wonderful catch though :) | 13:41 |
| al-maisan | ogra: I am just a beginner as I said .. | 13:42 |
| * al-maisan did what the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration page said ;) | 13:43 | |
| ogra | and you did well :) | 13:43 |
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| * ogra tickles the publisher ... come on do your ports mirroring | 13:46 | |
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| liw | mvo, could you have quick peek at #416362 and the attachment at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30571823/log ? " __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'deptype'" in /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/apt/package.py looks like a python-apt problem to me | 13:52 |
| mvo | liw: yes, my error - I upload a new python-apt now | 13:53 |
| liw | mvo, shall I reassign this to python-apt? | 13:53 |
| mvo | liw: yes | 13:54 |
| liw | mvo, done, thanks | 13:55 |
| * liw wnats to be as effective as mvo (and joeyh) at fixing bugs, when he grows up | 13:55 | |
| mvo | liw: as long as you don't become as efficient at adding them ;) | 13:57 |
| mvo | liw: sorry for the trouble | 13:57 |
| liw | mvo, no worries, it was very little trouble | 14:03 |
| * liw sighs at comment changes in conffiles | 14:18 | |
| beuno | do I still have time to update a package for karmic? | 14:18 |
| ogra | the system should really learn to ignore comments | 14:18 |
| ion | liw: In reality, you sigh at how badly dpkg handles (read: does not handle) the merging of conffile changes. :-P | 14:19 |
| liw | ogra, that's practical as soon as we standardize on one configuration file format | 14:19 |
| ion | ogra: No, it should just do a standard three-way merge. | 14:19 |
| liw | beuno, feature freeze is only next week | 14:19 |
| ogra | ion, blindly ? ouch | 14:19 |
| ion | ogra: Of course not blindly. | 14:19 |
| beuno | liw, cool, thanks. I will make a release of loggerhead today then, so we're not stuck with 1.10 for karmic | 14:20 |
| liw | ion, please don't tell me what I sigh at, thanks; until dpkg can be improved in this, it is silly of the maintainer to make comment-only changes in conffiles | 14:20 |
| ogra | well, thats what it does, no ? it asks you to review the changes | 14:20 |
| ogra | though in comments thats really pointless | 14:20 |
| ogra | having something like COMMENTCHAR that ucf can read and you can set on a per package base should make it ognore such commented lines completely imho | 14:21 |
| ogra | *ignore | 14:21 |
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| tkamppeter | Riddell, what is the exact problem with cjet? Is the problem that it is in Universe or are dependencies not fulfilled? | 14:30 |
| Riddell | tkamppeter: it's in universe | 14:31 |
| tkamppeter | Riddell, so it would already help if I move it to Suggests? | 14:33 |
| Riddell | tkamppeter: yes that should sort it | 14:33 |
| blackxored | hello, what's the best way to use the debian-policy, debootstrap, build-essential and the like from debian unstable in ubuntu? | 14:37 |
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| mterry | Hey, slangasek, I wanted to talk to you about what exactly feature freeze means for some work I'm doing on ubiquity. Ping me back when you get a chance | 14:48 |
| slangasek | mterry: this is a contentless pong :-P | 14:49 |
| mterry | slangasek, :) OK, so I'm working on (A) having ubiquity support plugin pages (drop a python script in a dir and it gets picked up) and (B) porting it internally to use plugins. I suspect this triggers FF concerns because of the public API involved? | 14:50 |
| mterry | slangasek, even though it's a new API | 14:50 |
| mterry | slangasek, FF would only care about point (A), right? Not (B) | 14:50 |
| slangasek | mterry: mm, I would consider both of those to be covered by FF | 14:52 |
| slangasek | I would define "features" in this case as "things that aren't bugfixes", so code reorg qualifies :) | 14:52 |
| mterry | slangasek, ah, k | 14:53 |
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| tkamppeter | Riddell: Fixed foomatic-db uploaded. | 15:01 |
| Riddell | tkamppeter: great thanks | 15:03 |
| Riddell | blackxored: you should be able to debootstrap a debian chroot | 15:04 |
| Riddell | mterry: you saw that gwt got accepted? | 15:04 |
| blackxored | Riddell, no, that wasn't what I asked I need to work with the latest debian-policy, the latest debootstrap, I mean, only a subset of packages, my lvm chroot is for building | 15:05 |
| mterry | Riddell, no? gwt? | 15:05 |
| ogra | blackxored, you asked for the best way, Riddell told you "inside a chroot" | 15:05 |
| blackxored | ogra, truly but I know there was a way of pinning or assigning priorities to specific packages from different repos I just don't remember | 15:06 |
| Riddell | mterry: I'm getting my terry's confused, I want ttx | 15:08 |
| mterry | Riddell, :) np | 15:08 |
| ttx | Riddell: Thierry :) | 15:08 |
| ttx | Riddell: Yes, I saw that. | 15:08 |
| ttx | Riddell: still stuck in binaryNEW though. | 15:10 |
| Riddell | ttx: I'm sure StevenK or al-maisan will get to it shortly, it's their archive admin day | 15:13 |
| al-maisan | ttx: sorry .. what is the binary/NEW upload you're waiting for? | 15:15 |
| ttx | al-maisan: gwt and eucalyptus-commons-ext. No hurry though... | 15:16 |
| al-maisan | hmm .. right. | 15:16 |
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| dholbach | tkamppeter: can you replace ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com with ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com in one of your next foomatic-db uploads? | 15:27 |
| dholbach | (in debian/control) | 15:27 |
| dholbach | I get a mail from archive.ubuntu.com in the moderation queue every time :) | 15:28 |
| EagleScreen | the default init boot parameter in a Debian system is "init=/sbin/init", which is the default in Ubuntu? | 15:36 |
| ion | init=/sbin/init | 15:37 |
| EagleScreen | in Ubuntu /sbin/init is not an executable | 15:37 |
| ogra | huh ? | 15:37 |
| ion | Then your system is majorly broken. | 15:37 |
| ccheney` | slangasek: ok will check it out | 15:37 |
| EagleScreen | /sbin/init is a shared library in Ubuntu, but an executable in Debian | 15:39 |
| * ogra wonders what EagleScreen looks at ... definately not ubuntu | 15:40 | |
| soren | EagleScreen: "md5sum /sbin/init" please. | 15:40 |
| EagleScreen | 591e0d59e1355aeffbf57ffbb4581007 init | 15:41 |
| soren | Is this in Karmic? | 15:41 |
| EagleScreen | is in juanty, but it is isntalled using debootstrap + tasksel | 15:42 |
| ccheney` | amd64 jaunty init | 15:42 |
| EagleScreen | yes, amd64 | 15:42 |
| soren | EagleScreen: What makes you say it's a library? | 15:42 |
| slangasek | that's the correct md5sum for the amd64/jaunty upstart /sbin/init | 15:43 |
| slangasek | which is not a library | 15:44 |
| EagleScreen | Dolphin says: Shared library, and put it an icon with 1's and 0's, but in a Debian init, dolphin Says: executable, and put it an icon of a metalic gear | 15:44 |
| ogra | sounds like a dolphin bug | 15:44 |
| EagleScreen | then should i can use root=/sbin/init for Ubuntu? | 15:45 |
| ogra | or whatever tells dolphin about filetypes | 15:45 |
| james_w | the magic is "shared object", not "executable" | 15:45 |
| james_w | but it doesn't make it invalid | 15:45 |
| ogra | that would try to use /sbin/init as your root device | 15:45 |
| virtuald | $ file /sbin/init | 15:46 |
| virtuald | /sbin/init: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped | 15:46 |
| ogra | what exactly do you try to achieve ? | 15:46 |
| james_w | EagleScreen: you should use init=/sbin/init, but I think you don't need to, as it's the default | 15:46 |
| ogra | right | 15:46 |
| ogra | you dont need to | 15:46 |
| ccheney` | the only difference i see from file output of that /sbin/init (not virtuald's) is that it is build for 2.6.8 support vs 2.6.15 of other things | 15:46 |
| EagleScreen | i try to boot with grub a debootstrapped root tree | 15:46 |
| ogra | well, you definately dont need init= at all | 15:47 |
| EagleScreen | kernel developpers suggested me that y cna try playing with init parameter | 15:47 |
| ccheney` | EagleScreen: do you have a kernel installed? debootstrap doesn't install one by default | 15:47 |
| ccheney` | EagleScreen: it also doesn't setup fstab iirc | 15:48 |
| EagleScreen | yes i have a kernel installed, and also ubuntu-minimal, ubuntu-standard and a couple of configuration files ready | 15:48 |
| tkamppeter | dholbach: Updated foomatic-db. | 15:48 |
| slangasek | EagleScreen: this is really far out of scope for this channel; you should ask these questions on #ubuntu | 15:49 |
| dholbach | tkamppeter: gracias! | 15:49 |
| slangasek | (and preferably, start your question with an error message showing what's wrong instead of speculation about init= options...) | 15:49 |
| EagleScreen | yes, i know, but thay drop me here lol | 15:49 |
| EagleScreen | okay, thanks, you have given em an idea | 15:50 |
| jerrcs | nobody really helps in #ubuntu.. | 15:50 |
| jerrcs | If it's a more technical issue it's very hard to get a reply. | 15:51 |
| jerrcs | I've been asking my question about I/O errors in dmesg for hours now.. I tried last night too. | 15:51 |
| ccheney` | slangasek: looking into why openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb is installed and the only things that rdepend on it at all are openoffice.org-help-en-gb and language-support-translations-en and for openoffice.org-help-en-gb it is openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb and language-support-translations-en, so now idea at all how it is getting pulled onto the cd | 15:54 |
| slangasek | ccheney`: ok, perhaps it's related to OOo being out-of-date; let me check | 15:55 |
| ccheney` | slangasek: ok | 15:55 |
| ccheney` | slangasek: its all in the archive now, OOo itself had some new pieces that just got accepted today i think | 15:55 |
| slangasek | ccheney`: I know, I accepted them. :) | 15:55 |
| ccheney` | slangasek: ah, thanks! :-) | 15:55 |
| ccheney` | slangasek: er language-support-translations-en specifically depends on that stuff, not even just recommends | 15:56 |
| ccheney` | slangasek: is that package being pulled into the cd? | 15:56 |
| slangasek | yes | 15:56 |
| slangasek | and OOo may be the reason for that | 15:57 |
| ccheney` | er? | 15:57 |
| ccheney` | the package is from july 15 2009 | 15:57 |
| ccheney` | so nothing new about it that i can see | 15:57 |
| slangasek | I mean, OOo being out-of-date may have been the reason for that | 15:58 |
| ccheney` | oh ok | 15:58 |
| ccheney` | on my system language-support-translations-en isn't installed, so maybe it normally isn't | 15:58 |
| * ogra wishes he even had OOo | 15:59 | |
| slangasek | yes, it normally isn't | 15:59 |
| ccheney` | ok | 15:59 |
| ogra | silly slow publisher on ports :( | 15:59 |
| ccheney` | anyone know if ia64 buildd is going to get more space soon? OOo ftbfs on it due to not enough space to unpack | 16:01 |
| ogra | NCommander might know ... he often cares for the exots :) | 16:01 |
| ccheney` | oh yea | 16:01 |
| ccheney` | NCommander: ping | 16:01 |
| slangasek | ccheney`: yep, getting OOo back in has brought the alternate CDs back down in size, cheers | 16:15 |
| slangasek | now to find out why exim4 is on the CD :P | 16:15 |
| slangasek | hmm, 'at' | 16:19 |
| * ccheney` is on the phone with the bank, apparently he got hit by that 130Mil account credit card theft | 16:21 | |
| liw | does anything require at to be in the default install? few people seem to use it, and they could add it separately | 16:21 |
| liw | ccheney`, ouch, good luck | 16:21 |
| slangasek | liw: Unix pride? :) | 16:22 |
| slangasek | the real bug here is an at merge that turned Suggests: postfix | m-t-a into Recommends: exim4 | m-t-a | 16:22 |
| liw | slangasek, I'm not sure pride is sufficient justification ;-) | 16:23 |
| slangasek | in fact, this was a bad merge, not merely an oversight | 16:23 |
| lamont | ccheney`: happen to know which buildd that was? | 16:25 |
| lamont | I'll go look at both though | 16:25 |
| * ogra starts getting angry with the publisher ... OOo built 3h ago and still doesnt show up on ports ... | 16:26 | |
| slangasek | ogra: which arch? | 16:26 |
| slangasek | ogra: if armel, that's because it's in NEW | 16:27 |
| ogra | gah | 16:27 |
| slangasek | and now it's out of new | 16:27 |
| ogra | i should have looked there first :P | 16:27 |
| ogra | instead of hitting reload on the archive dir for 3h | 16:27 |
| liw | what we have here is a failure to communic... complain loudly enough, early enough, that someone with the answer notices | 16:28 |
| ogra | liw, well, i know actually that it takes about 2h | 16:29 |
| slangasek | it's not supposed to take 2h. | 16:29 |
| ogra | it does on ports | 16:29 |
| liw | ogra, actually, in an ideal world, you could have told some system somewhere that you're interested in this and it would've told you what's up | 16:29 |
| slangasek | then you should be talking to IS :) | 16:29 |
| ogra | well, when i complained during A4 preparation you said it would be a known issue that its slow | 16:30 |
| ogra | so i kept quiet | 16:30 |
| slangasek | the publisher currently takes only ~30m to run (thanks, cprov!); that means the average time from binary accept to mirroring is 1h | 16:30 |
| slangasek | and the mirroring should take only a fraction of that | 16:31 |
| slangasek | ah, yes, it was a known issue during A4 that was being actively addressed:) | 16:31 |
| ogra | well, i'll check if its actually true with one of my packages then before i complain, i guess i cant count OO.o now after it was stuck on NEW | 16:32 |
| ogra | but good to know its supposed to be fixed | 16:32 |
| slangasek | you should be able to tell with OOo | 16:33 |
| mathiaz | when should a system account used by a daemon be removed? during the remove phase or the purge phase? | 16:33 |
| slangasek | it was accepted 7 minutes ago, so it'll hit the next publisher run in 29 minutes, and should be visible on ports about 45 minutes after that | 16:34 |
| slangasek | mathiaz: never :) | 16:34 |
| mathiaz | slangasek: so system account are created but never deleted? | 16:35 |
| liw | mathiaz, it is possible the account owns files (possibly on other systems via NFS but offline during package removal), which means many people (slangasek and I) think it should never be deleted automatically | 16:35 |
| slangasek | yep | 16:35 |
| liw | if someone were to want to create tools for managing system accounts (create upon install, remove at purge if local admin says it's OK), that would be much appreciated, thanks | 16:36 |
| liw | alternatively, someone might want to write a computer-janitor plugin ;-) | 16:36 |
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| slangasek | liw: I think the Windows approach (never deallocate an RID once it's been allocated) is much better. :) | 16:38 |
| slangasek | simpler | 16:38 |
| mathiaz | Is it ok to remove user-added configuration files during a purge? | 16:40 |
| slangasek | gray area; IMHO yes | 16:40 |
| mathiaz | ie rm -rf /etc/config_dir/ where /etc/config_dir/ is part of the dirs package | 16:40 |
| liw | I wouldn't do that, but if it saves a lot of effort, I wouldn't object strongly | 16:41 |
| ion | The user should have backups if she doesn’t want purge to, well, purge. :-P | 16:41 |
| mathiaz | And data stored in /var/lib/daemon_data/ should be deleted ( rm -rf /var/lib/daemon_data) on remove? | 16:42 |
| liw | mathiaz, I don't think so | 16:43 |
| mathiaz | on purge? | 16:43 |
| liw | though I forget what the Policy says | 16:43 |
| liw | not even on purge | 16:43 |
| mathiaz | or never.. | 16:44 |
| slangasek | I don't think Policy says about /var/lib/daemon_Data | 16:44 |
| slangasek | some packages ask | 16:44 |
| liw | it would be awkward to delete, say, a news spool just because you purge one NNTP server | 16:44 |
| slangasek | which is a poor proxy really, because there's always a chance that the question is asked far away from the point when you're doing the actual purge | 16:44 |
| mathiaz | in that use case if you'd reinstall the package you'd have the old data come back | 16:44 |
| slangasek | stgraber: does ltsp-server-standalone really need to Recommend: dhcp3-server? This costs us 300k on the Ubuntu alternate CD | 16:47 |
| liw | mathiaz, hm, if re-installing package will restore data in /var/lib, why is the data there? what data is it? | 16:48 |
| mathiaz | liw: let's say a database | 16:48 |
| mathiaz | liw: on pkg install you need to initialize the database | 16:48 |
| mathiaz | liw: now if you re-install a package that had been purged you'd still have the old database lying around | 16:49 |
| liw | mathiaz, I think the relevant question is: does the /var/lib/foo directory contain user data that cannot be easily re-created; if so, don't remove it ever | 16:49 |
| liw | or that's what I would do (I hope) | 16:49 |
| liw | the preinst/postinst script can handle an old database (perhaps by renaming it) | 16:50 |
| mathiaz | And how about log files (/var/log/foo)? Should the directory be rm -rf on remove/purge? | 16:55 |
| slangasek | mathiaz: that one's covered in policy.. :) | 17:03 |
| mathiaz | slangasek: section 10.8 :) | 17:05 |
| slangasek | mathiaz: yep | 17:06 |
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| * jtimberman thinks mathiaz is looking at stompserver's removal behavior! | 17:20 | |
| jtimberman | ;) | 17:20 |
| mathiaz | jtimberman: yeah - more comments to come soon :) | 17:20 |
| jtimberman | mathiaz: already opening up my editor ;) | 17:20 |
| jtimberman | mathiaz: ah, simply looks like we don't need the postrm script at all then. | 17:33 |
| jtimberman | oh, rather, the purge action should remove /var/log/stompserver, and the other actions not do anything. | 17:34 |
| mathiaz | jtimberman: yop - and may be rm -f /etc/stompserver/ | 17:34 |
| mathiaz | jtimberman: yop - and may be rm -rf /etc/stompserver/ | 17:34 |
| mathiaz | jtimberman: on purge | 17:34 |
| * ogra hugs slangasek ... OO.o is there exactly how you predicted | 17:38 | |
| jtimberman | updated | 17:39 |
| lyhana8 | hi, I just install kubuntu 9.04 few days ago and my touchpad doesn't work anymore (worked on hardy), cat /dev/input/mouse* give nothing | 17:53 |
| jtimberman | mathiaz: that's looking better now. purging the package leaves /var/lib/stompserver alone if there's anything in it, otherwise removes it if empty. logrotate script is created properly (and removed) as well, of course. | 17:56 |
| mathiaz | jtimberman: yop | 17:57 |
| mathiaz | jtimberman: howeevr /var/lib/stompserver won't be deleted on a production system as it will contain data | 17:57 |
| jtimberman | mathiaz: right, if that option is set in the config file :) | 17:57 |
| jtimberman | with that patch included ;) | 17:58 |
| cdE|Woozy | is there some magic required to post to the ubuntu mailinglists? I've now posted three mails to two different mailinglists and apparently nothing ever appeared on either mailinglist =X | 17:58 |
| ScottK | slangasek: The last uploads for the boost 1.35 transition are done. | 17:59 |
| slangasek | ScottK: woot | 17:59 |
| ScottK | cdE|Woozy: Normally you have to be subscribed. | 17:59 |
| ScottK | slangasek: As an added bonus, so far they all build. | 17:59 |
| mathiaz | jtimberman: in the logrotate file: /etc/nit.d/stompserver force-reload | 18:01 |
| mathiaz | jtimberman: there is an i missing in there | 18:02 |
| ion | Rather: service stompserver force-reload, since it will make sure the init script’s environment won’t get polluted etc. | 18:02 |
| jtimberman | mathiaz: fixed and uploaded. | 18:03 |
| cdE|Woozy | whooho, it worked. thanks ScottK | 18:09 |
| jtimberman | ion: /etc/init.d/foo is mentioned in the policy so thats what i put.. | 18:09 |
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| lyhana8 | anyone could explain me why my touchpad doesn't work anyomore after moving from hardy to jaunty ? | 18:18 |
| dholbach | Ubuntu Global Jam meeting in 30m in #ubuntu-meeting | 18:30 |
| mathiaz | slangasek: I've modified the slapd user creation to use /nonexistent as the home directory. | 18:41 |
| mathiaz | slangasek: does it make sense to have daemon user to have non existing home directory? | 18:41 |
| mathiaz | slangasek: or it would be better to keep the home directory of slapd to /var/lib/ldap? | 18:41 |
| cr3 | what/who might be a good reference about udev? not writing rules, but where/how values are retrieved by udevadm | 18:50 |
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| ogra | tkamppeter, does foomatic-db-hpijs need to be unseeded ? (ubuntu-desktop currently depends on it but foomatic-db conflicts with it) | 20:03 |
| Chase_ | I've got a package I've developed and I'm interested in publishing it under the GPL | 20:05 |
| Chase_ | I saw that the copyrights may be an issue | 20:06 |
| Chase_ | I use Qt's QSslSocket, which uses openssl indirectly | 20:06 |
| ogra | oh, evand did unseed it already | 20:07 |
| Chase_ | I had seen on the ubuntu wiki somewhere that GPL apps linked directly or indirectly to openssl would be flagged | 20:07 |
| Chase_ | is that really an issue since I'm using the qt libs? | 20:07 |
| Chase_ | Specifically, this is where I saw that issue: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Basic#Copyright | 20:09 |
| Chase_ | second to last bullet point of "Common errors:" | 20:09 |
| Usama | hello, there is outdated information on the Ubuntu web site | 20:17 |
| Usama | is this the place to report it? | 20:17 |
| mathiaz | Usama: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/ | 20:18 |
| mathiaz | Usama: ^^ this is place to report a bug related to the ubuntu web site | 20:19 |
| Usama | ok I'll post the problem here because I'might have no time to report it there http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#dvd the links only shows hardy but if you went to higher level in the domain you will get the latest ftp://swtsrv.informatik.uni-mannheim.de/pub/linux/distributions/ubuntu-dvd-release | 20:21 |
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| tkamppeter | ogra: foomatic-db-hpijs must get unseeded, also hal-cups-utils | 20:50 |
| ogra | tkamppeter, yes, my fault, i missed that evand already unseeded it | 20:51 |
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| Usama | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/416622 | 21:08 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 416622 in ubuntu-website "DVD download page is outdated, it shows Hardy mirrors only" [Undecided,New] | 21:08 |
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| lifeless | doko: hi | 22:34 |
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| chordogg | hello all, there is a behavior in ubuntu that i dont care for, i was wondering if you knew how to change it. when i switch to say tty1, and log in. if i logout of that shell, ubuntu switches me back to tty7 when i really just want to stay in my current tty...i can't hunt down what controls this behavior, anyone know? | 23:20 |
| slangasek | mathiaz: I don't think we should use nonexistent directories as home dirs for users; something might create them later and give unexpected results | 23:28 |
| jono | any idea which package the Preferred Applications tool is in? | 23:37 |
| mathiaz | slangasek: right - I'm going to change that. /var/lib/ldap wil be created anyway as part of the slapd package installation | 23:39 |
| mathiaz | slangasek: the reason to use /nonexistent was that at first I though /var/lib/ldap/ wouldn't need to be created anymore | 23:39 |
| slangasek | ah | 23:40 |
| chrisccoulson | jono - gnome-control-center | 23:41 |
| jono | thanks chrisccoulson | 23:41 |
| stgraber | slangasek: yes, we need to have dhcp3-server. It used to be a hard depend but as some people are using dnsmasq instead, I moved it to a recommend. | 23:55 |
| stgraber | slangasek: if we don't have it, your thin clients won't be able to boot after install. | 23:55 |
| stgraber | (sorry for the late answer :)) | 23:56 |
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