| Riddell | yuriy: oh I never worked out what that was | 00:03 |
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| ghostcube | hmm a tip if anyone notices bugs in ff 3.5 and has ubufox installed try to deactivate it in add ons | 00:05 |
| ghostcube | seems to make trouble | 00:05 |
| ghostcube | -_- | 00:05 |
| JontheEchidna | yay, libmysqld-pic in main | 00:11 |
| JontheEchidna | and the amarok merge is in bzr | 00:12 |
| * shtylman is pleased OO kde4 is in kubuntu now :) | 00:14 | |
| DAskreech | It's in Karmic? | 00:15 |
| DAskreech | Riddell: Ping | 00:16 |
| Riddell | hi DAskreech | 00:17 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: anything new in amarok bzr compared to the archive? | 00:19 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: a merge from Debian | 00:19 |
| JontheEchidna | s/from/with | 00:19 |
| DAskreech | Bah of course Irssi doesn't ping back | 01:10 |
| DAskreech | Riddell: If we are not going to use the Kubuntu identi.ca account to make mini announcements can we at least send a greeting message since it's one of the first things people see when they boot up a Kubuntu Live Cd from here on out? | 01:11 |
| Riddell | DAskreech: I'd like to get into the habit of using it for mini announcements | 01:17 |
| Riddell | anything you think should be announced? | 01:17 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: apachelogger of course | 01:18 |
| Nightrose | netbook remix | 01:18 |
| Nightrose | alpha 4 | 01:18 |
| * DAskreech points the person with answers ;-) | 01:22 | |
| * Nightrose now has 2 twitter and 3 identi.ca accounts in choqok | 01:30 | |
| Nightrose | oh dear... | 01:30 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: i'll subscribe to a few kubuntu peeps so it doesn't look dead | 01:31 |
| Nightrose | and also join !kubuntu so we can post notes to that | 01:31 |
| Nightrose | ok this looks much more lovely now :) | 01:35 |
| Nightrose | anyone from the kubuntu team who hasn't been followed by @kubuntu just now please let me know so I can add you too | 01:36 |
| Riddell | can I get twitter to forward to identica? | 01:38 |
| Nightrose | nope only the other way around | 01:38 |
| Riddell | and kubotu can only talk to twitter, annoying that | 01:40 |
| Nightrose | it shouldn't be hard to make it talk to idenit.ca | 01:40 |
| Nightrose | the api is the same afaik | 01:40 |
| Riddell | yes | 01:41 |
| Nightrose | you can also use jabber to update identi.ca if you use that | 01:41 |
| Nightrose | argh... 3 am already | 01:42 |
| Riddell | can't say I do | 01:42 |
| Nightrose | i need to go to bed - like really | 01:42 |
| Nightrose | good night :) | 01:42 |
| Riddell | here's ruphy! | 01:46 |
| Riddell | ruphy: seen the new openoffice oxygen style? | 01:46 |
| yuriy | whoa just got a plasma notification from nm-applet. sweet. | 02:03 |
| Riddell | yay | 02:03 |
| yuriy | of course that's bittersweet cause I had to run nm-applet in the first place | 02:04 |
| DAskreech | Nightrose: I was thinking things like new items in Kubuntu+1 and smaller victories or call to tests get posted to the Kubuntu account where large releases and significant events get posted to !kubuntu by kubuntu | 02:18 |
| DAskreech | Or wait Riddell for the above :) | 02:19 |
| DAskreech | Ah Work sucks | 02:19 |
| DAskreech | Where is the new OO.o umm O style? | 02:20 |
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| === ryanakca is now known as Guest76526 | ||
| * spstarr syncs today's packages | 05:39 | |
| spstarr | hmm | 05:42 |
| spstarr | Error Type: Error Value: 'PackageKitCache' object has no attribute '_dict' File : | 05:42 |
| spstarr | KpackageKit crashy | 05:42 |
| spstarr | maybe aptitude clean will 'fix' the cache | 05:42 |
| spstarr | no | 05:43 |
| spstarr | 103 new packages :) | 05:43 |
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| Nightrose | Happy Birthday JontheEchidna! \o/ | 09:04 |
| Guest76526 | Riddell: I may have time to look at it at work today... I'm gone to a Highland Games / visiting family all weekend... Its package may be quick enough to through together though, they use qmake... | 11:33 |
| ghostcube | hi peoples, i got a question. would it be possible to setup the extensions for thunderbird-3.0 into an backport or experimental ppa ? | 12:08 |
| ghostcube | cause enigmail and lightning arent working on 3.0 would be very cool | 12:08 |
| ghostcube | and there are no 64 bit xpi around | 12:09 |
| ghostcube | thats the problem sorry | 12:10 |
| davmor2 | Guys I'm a bit confused I'm just running some tests on yesterdays install as all of the iso's are broken thanks nvidia :). Whilst running dist-upgrade I got asked the config options for postfix, please tell me that kubuntu isn't turning into server edition slowly | 12:12 |
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| davmor2 | default window for kmail through pim is tiny :( | 12:30 |
| Riddell | davmor2: CDs built today? | 12:55 |
| JontheEchidna | Nightrose: thx | 13:06 |
| === JontheEchidna is now known as jonny|birthday | ||
| shadeslayer | hey all,anyone free here? ( Im starting out on packaging :) ) | 13:38 |
| shadeslayer | i cant seem to figure out the wiki by myself... | 13:39 |
| Riddell | hi shadeslayer, what are you looking at? | 13:39 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete | 13:40 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: i want to start out building packages,and eventually help you guys :) | 13:40 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: do you have something in mind to package? | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: i want to start out by building .deb out of svn check outs | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | something simple like rekonq for jaunty | 13:42 |
| ikonia | shadeslayer: why do you want svn checkouts packaged ? | 13:42 |
| ikonia | surley working on the supported packages is a better option otherwise they will just become your PPA | 13:42 |
| shadeslayer | ikonia: this is just a personal project as of now,im just starting out,i want to help some of my freinds who think compiling is very difficult ( and dont have the time for it ) | 13:43 |
| * ryanakca wonders if he should mention Dooble ;) | 13:44 | |
| ikonia | shadeslayer: ok - so what's the problem then, start a PPA | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | ikonia: ill have a look | 13:45 |
| ikonia | shadeslayer: a good way to practice is re-build a package that is a known working pacakge | 13:45 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: want to try Dooble and make ryanakca happy? :) | 13:45 |
| * ryanakca grins | 13:46 | |
| ikonia | shadeslayer: eg: pick a package that already exists and is known working then follow the process on that package (that way you won't hit anything out of the norm ) | 13:46 |
| shadeslayer | ikonia: thing is i can compile easily but packaging is a whole new level :) | 13:46 |
| ryanakca | shadeslayer: You can get a tarball of the latest SVN revision from http://dooble.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/dooble/trunk/browser.tar.gz?view=tar | 13:46 |
| ikonia | shadeslayer: don't start with development / svn builds, get to know and understand the process first | 13:46 |
| ikonia | shadeslayer: that's why I'm suggesting rebuild and package an existing package | 13:47 |
| shadeslayer | ikonia: ok,thats what im asking,how do you build a package out of a source tar ball,im all confuzled by the wiki | 13:47 |
| ikonia | shadeslayer: get to know the process in side out without the headache of trying to fix problems, rebuild something that is an already existing and known package | 13:47 |
| ikonia | shadeslayer: what part's causing you problems ? | 13:47 |
| shadeslayer | ikonia: i get you :) | 13:47 |
| shadeslayer | ikonia: the part which says pbuilder | 13:47 |
| ryanakca | shadeslayer: apt-get source aoeui (it's a very simple package) and try building it with pbuilder | 13:48 |
| ikonia | let me pull up the wiki | 13:48 |
| shadeslayer | ryanakca: whats dooble btw? | 13:48 |
| ryanakca | shadeslayer: a web browser | 13:48 |
| shadeslayer | ryanakca: um i have rekonq,so why another browser? | 13:48 |
| ryanakca | "Dooble is a Secure and Open Source Web Browser that provides solid performance, stability, and cross-platform functionality. | 13:48 |
| ryanakca | One of the application's most important goals is to safeguard the privacy of its community with a group of integrated privacy features of the browser: search engine, secure messenger, and e-mail client. The installer also provides a means of installing the Dooble browser component." | 13:48 |
| ikonia | shadeslayer: ok - which step with pbuilder isn't clear | 13:48 |
| shadeslayer | ikonia: the second part,what if the source has no dsc? | 13:49 |
| ryanakca | shadeslayer: because upstream *really* wants it packaged :) | 13:49 |
| ikonia | shadeslayer: you have to build one | 13:49 |
| * ryanakca wonders if this would be better suited for -motu | 13:49 | |
| ikonia | shadeslayer: just looking for the bit i nthe doc | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | ikonia: ok ill google that :) | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | ikonia: btw does " --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu <ubuntu_version> main restricted universe multiverse" | 13:51 |
| ryanakca | shadeslayer: also, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ is a very good guide for packaging | 13:51 |
| shadeslayer | upload the package to a mirror? | 13:51 |
| shadeslayer | ryanakca: i need something which tells me the basic ABC of packaging | 13:51 |
| ikonia | shadeslayer: check the "Building the Package" section on the wiki | 13:52 |
| ryanakca | shadeslayer: It does... anyways, I'm off | 13:52 |
| shadeslayer | ryanakca: thanks alot | 13:52 |
| shadeslayer | ikonia: the ubuntu one? | 13:52 |
| ikonia | shadeslayer: yup | 13:53 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 13:53 |
| shadeslayer | ok ill catch you in 30 mins or so...ill go through both the wikis | 13:53 |
| ikonia | shadeslayer: look at an existing file, use it as a template | 13:53 |
| shadeslayer | ikonia: the dsc? ok ill download some source | 13:54 |
| ikonia | shadeslayer: that's it | 13:54 |
| ikonia | just have a look through to get an idea of the layout and contents | 13:54 |
| shadeslayer | ok | 13:55 |
| jussi01 | !packaging | 14:00 |
| ubottu | The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports | 14:00 |
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| davmor2 | Riddell: not yet but should be soon I'll check with evand | 14:11 |
| Riddell | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/karmic/kubuntu/20090821/livecd-20090821-i386.out no broken | 14:15 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: yes it is look at the bottom | 14:17 |
| davmor2 | nvidia breaks the live install | 14:17 |
| Mamarok | Riddell: you have mail... | 14:17 |
| davmor2 | and alternate at the moment | 14:17 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: the kubuntu livefs last worked on the 17th | 14:18 |
| davmor2 | and Ubuntu's on the 19th | 14:18 |
| Riddell | pesky nvidia | 14:21 |
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| davmor2 | Riddell: yesterday was OO.o and foomatic. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/DailySmoke You might want to subscribe to that page :) | 14:23 |
| Riddell | nixternal: let's get your feedback applet up and running, where can I find it and what needs set up on a server? | 14:24 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: the plasmoid appears to be here http://blog.nixternal.com/2009.06.18/kubuntu-qa-and-feedback/ ... server side, no clue. | 14:42 |
| rgreening | ryanakca: I'll take a stab at dooble (if no one else feels so inclined) | 15:04 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: waa, I forgot to push my amarok merge to bzr yesterday. it's there now | 15:05 |
| ryanakca | rgreening: Thanks. It's kindof like emacs... it has everything... I don't know if it's better making one mega package or making one each for the browser, the search engine, the im client, the email client, etc. | 15:10 |
| rgreening | ryanakca: package the browser first (IMO) at least from looking at the source | 15:11 |
| ryanakca | rgreening: *nod* ... I'd only stick it in a PPA, it seemed to crash a lot on me... | 15:13 |
| rgreening | sure | 15:13 |
| ryanakca | But then, it's all up to you, you're the one packaging it ;) | 15:14 |
| rgreening | lol | 15:14 |
| rgreening | hmm.. any one got an example packge which uses qmake to build a .pro file? | 15:14 |
| ryanakca | rgreening: kid3, kscope, merkaartor, qsynaptics, touchfreeze | 15:16 |
| rgreening | cool. good place to start | 15:16 |
| rgreening | ty ryanakca | 15:16 |
| shadeslayer | hey im back with another question :) | 15:22 |
| shadeslayer | cant we just upload a raw svn checkout to the PPA and get it todo the work for us? | 15:23 |
| ryanakca | shadeslayer: No, you need to package it | 15:24 |
| shadeslayer | ryanakca: ahh...so i upload .debs :) | 15:24 |
| ryanakca | once it's packaged, you can upload it to a PPA and have it build it for you. It's generally quicker to pbuild it though, you'll ned up waiting a while for the buildds to get around to your package if you upload it to a PPA | 15:24 |
| ryanakca | shadeslayer: no, you dput a .changes file, which uploads the .dsc, the .diff.gz and the .orig.tar.gz | 15:25 |
| shadeslayer | ok,so these file are the ones i need to learn to create | 15:26 |
| ryanakca | shadeslayer: Yes. Have you tried building an already existing package? | 15:26 |
| shadeslayer | ryanakca: nope im too busy reading all the links and importing keys to my PPA account : https://launchpad.net/%7Erohan16garg | 15:27 |
| ikonia | shadeslayer: why are you setting ppa's up | 15:27 |
| ikonia | learn the packaging first | 15:27 |
| ryanakca | shadeslayer: OK. Well, as ikonia recommended earlier, building an existing package is a good way to start. | 15:27 |
| shadeslayer | ikonia: its empty | 15:27 |
| ikonia | don't start at the end - start at the begining | 15:27 |
| shadeslayer | ryanakca: ok | 15:28 |
| shadeslayer | ikonia: i thought that we can directly upload sources....my bad | 15:28 |
| BluesKaj | I have the printer configuration service back , but I get this error .The service 'Printer Configuration' does not provide an interface 'KCModule' with keyword 'system-config-printer-kde/system-config-printer-kde.py'The factory does not support creating components of the specified type. | 15:28 |
| yuriy | when i use the search feature in dolphin 4.3 on jaunty it says nepomuk died | 15:29 |
| BluesKaj | looks to me like the printer is being handled by a kernel module.. does that seem right ? | 15:30 |
| ryanakca | shadeslayer: apt-get source hello or apt-get source hello-debhelper | 15:30 |
| shadeslayer | okies....apt is kinda busy right now :) | 15:31 |
| Riddell | vorian: how is "Plasma Widgets: Create Universe meta package to get all packaged widgets" doing? | 15:31 |
| ryanakca | shadeslayer: #ubuntu-motu is a better place to ask general packaging questions | 15:31 |
| shadeslayer | ok ill go there | 15:31 |
| Riddell | BluesKaj: that's a kcontrol issue and probably caused by a problem in python-kde | 15:32 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: respins in play now according to evand :) | 15:33 |
| BluesKaj | Riddell, yes I'll ask in #kde | 15:34 |
| Riddell | BluesKaj: they don't know | 15:34 |
| Riddell | BluesKaj: try kcmshell4 system-config-printer-kde | 15:34 |
| Riddell | on the command line | 15:34 |
| BluesKaj | what about python | 15:34 |
| Riddell | and pastebin the output | 15:34 |
| Riddell | davmor2: I think Kubuntu will have to wait, we still have that packagekit issue | 15:34 |
| davmor2 | is that what killed pyhton 2.6 | 15:35 |
| davmor2 | Riddell: yeah but you still have aptitude right so not essential just nice :) | 15:36 |
| Riddell | davmor2: well the CDs won't build until python-apt is installable | 15:37 |
| BluesKaj | Riddell, http://www.pastebin.ca/1537744 | 15:37 |
| Riddell | BluesKaj: mm, that's an issue with our packaging, please report it to launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings | 15:38 |
| nixternal | Riddell: did you get anywhere on the feedback? | 15:42 |
| nixternal | getting a message box stating a file or something is missing after logging in...I take it this is already known because it happens on all 3 machines :) | 15:42 |
| BluesKaj | Riddell, I assumed that that like some other app/device modules are now taken over by a kernel module and are handling printing thru HAL ...does that make sense ? | 15:43 |
| BluesKaj | Riddell, cuz my printer is working fine , I just don't have any printer options | 15:43 |
| Riddell | nixternal: what missing file? | 15:43 |
| nixternal | doesn't say...popup icon == apport and the message says "No such file or directory" | 15:44 |
| Riddell | BluesKaj: yes cups does all the hard work, as long as it detects the printer correctly you don't need a UI | 15:44 |
| BluesKaj | Riddell, cool, i won't bother you with this ay longer , thx for your input :) | 15:45 |
| Riddell | BluesKaj: well do bother me if it's not fixed in the next week or so | 15:46 |
| BluesKaj | Riddell, fine , i'll bbl then | 15:47 |
| nixternal | Riddell: any idea on how to use the tooltip that kmix, info icon, and such use instead of the generic blue rectangle one that looks so kde3? | 15:50 |
| nixternal | KSystemTrayIcon Tooltip is old looking, I want the new plasma themed one | 15:51 |
| nixternal | for an app I am writing | 15:51 |
| Riddell | nixternal: you need the new system tray class | 15:55 |
| Riddell | knotificationitem | 15:56 |
| nixternal | that isn't in pykde4 yet is it? | 16:03 |
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| BluesKaj | Riddell,just for your info : "system-config-printer-kde" bug has already been reported on launchpad, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings/+bug/377333 | 16:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 377333 in kdebindings "KDE Printer Configuration applet is broken" [Undecided,Fix released] | 16:07 |
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| Riddell | rgreening: go ahead on dooble if you want | 16:19 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: hrm, this amarok merge will break .pot generation | 16:33 |
| JontheEchidna | must be the fancy dh_7 stuff? | 16:34 |
| Riddell | yeah | 16:35 |
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| nixternal | I would love to learn how to convert libs to pykde4...seems a bit over my head just by looking at it | 16:53 |
| nixternal | ooh, actually it doesn't look all that difficult, just tedious | 16:57 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: why does amarok need gcal? | 16:59 |
| maco | apport-kde is fuly capable of a DOS | 16:59 |
| nixternal | maco: is there a bug report for it? | 17:00 |
| maco | http://pastebin.com/f5e24958a | 17:00 |
| maco | my system's still trying to recover from it | 17:00 |
| maco | i dont mean apport is being DOS'd. i mean it causes one | 17:00 |
| nixternal | what is triggering apport? | 17:01 |
| maco | i dont know, but after i cancel apport, the process doesnt quit | 17:01 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 17:02 |
| maco | so if over the course of a few days it comes up a bunch, and i keep telling it to go away, the window goes away, but the process keeps going...and then a ton of 'em build up. ive seen about 30 or so before, but...191 this time? | 17:02 |
| nixternal | I have apport-kde notifications popup one after the other in the past...did you only get one popup or a bunch of them? | 17:02 |
| maco | i had probably 50 or so when i booted 2 days ago | 17:03 |
| nixternal | nice :/ | 17:03 |
| maco | i just kept clicking cancel | 17:03 |
| nixternal | I wonder if there is a general apport problem, because I was getting the same deal on Ubuntu box | 17:03 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: is that a build-depend? | 17:03 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: it is in your merge | 17:04 |
| Riddell | libgcal0 | 17:04 |
| maco | i wonder if the process doesnt exit when you cancel AND new processes start up for anything in /var/crash/ after each resume from suspend? thatd get me up to 191 pretty easy | 17:04 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: I don't see that anywhere | 17:04 |
| nixternal | well, the apport-kde process used to exit when clicking cancel instead of segfaulting like apport-qt did | 17:04 |
| Riddell | which hum | 17:04 |
| maco | its tricky too cuz id look in top and be like "a couple things using 100MB or so....how does that make 6GiB???" and then see a bunch of apport-kde using small amounts of ram..a.nd then they addup | 17:05 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: well dunno, debuild wanted it installed but now it doesn't | 17:05 |
| nixternal | >>> (svn)-[KDE:1014138] [1028] which hum | 17:05 |
| nixternal | hum not found | 17:05 |
| JontheEchidna | huh, strange | 17:05 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: maybe something else needed it updated, ignore me :) | 17:05 |
| nixternal | ;p | 17:05 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 17:05 |
| nixternal | I am starting to dig arora a bit, just some inconsistencies that are annoying as hell to me | 17:08 |
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| Riddell | fabo: any thoughts on what would be a good debhelper 7 target to override for generating .pot translation files? | 17:15 |
| nixternal | ok, heading to the laundromat with laptop :) see you soon | 17:18 |
| Riddell | laundromat is such a strange Americanism, I wonder where it came from | 17:20 |
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| === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 | ||
| maco | Riddell: what do you call it? | 17:25 |
| ScottK | I believe it came from automatic laundry. | 17:26 |
| ScottK | Of course I believe lots of things that probably aren't true. | 17:26 |
| ryanakca | According to http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=laundry , Laundromat is from 1943, originally a proprietary name by Westinghouse. | 17:26 |
| ryanakca | ScottK: Oh, but you are right, From Laundromat, trademark of Westinghouse Electric Corporation for its washing machines, as a blend of laundry and automatic :) | 17:27 |
| ryanakca | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/laundromat | 17:27 |
| Riddell | maco: laundrette | 17:28 |
| maco | that sounds like a small one | 17:33 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Is it time for the old knetworkmanager package to die? | 18:04 |
| alteroo | Nightrose: ping | 18:35 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I'm looking at updating our plasma-widget-networkmanagement snapshot and I notice we currently have a po file directory that upstream doesn't. How do I regenerate that? Do I just copy the old one? | 18:44 |
| Nightrose | alteroo: pong | 18:48 |
| alteroo | Nightrose: Did you see my message about possible uses of identi.ca from last night? | 18:59 |
| alteroo | Oh | 18:59 |
| alteroo | umm wait | 18:59 |
| === alteroo is now known as Daskreech | ||
| Daskreech | Ok now did you see it? :) | 18:59 |
| Nightrose | Daskreech: heh nope sorry - must have missed that | 19:00 |
| Nightrose | what did you say? | 19:00 |
| Daskreech | I was thinking that significant inclusions for Kubuntu+1 calls for testing and small victories can be transmitted on the kubuntu account while major releases and larger stuff can be transmitted on !kubuntu | 19:01 |
| Nightrose | Daskreech: sorry for lag - too much to do before heading off to conference | 19:05 |
| Nightrose | Daskreech: uhm sure | 19:05 |
| Nightrose | that was at least my plan ;-) | 19:06 |
| Nightrose | I just need people to poke me with them if I forget | 19:06 |
| Nightrose | but I'll try to do my best to make it as lively as @amarok | 19:06 |
| Daskreech | 9;2~:-) | 19:07 |
| fabo | Riddell: probably override_dh_install or maybe dh_auto_install seems fine | 19:07 |
| jefferai | Riddell: ping | 19:15 |
| jefferai | or, any other ubuntu devs around? | 19:15 |
| Daskreech | hi apachelogger | 19:16 |
| jefferai | Can anyone tell me how I can know which version of the kernel a particular linux-image is based on? 2.6.28-15...is this 2.6.28.[0-10]? | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | hola Daskreech | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | hola everyone else | 19:19 |
| vorian | Riddell: i havent had a chance at all - i've been very busy moving and whatnot | 19:20 |
| ScottK | jefferai: Probably #ubuntu-kernel for kernel questions. | 19:21 |
| jefferai | thanks | 19:24 |
| * Daskreech starts taking accolades off apachelogger | 19:24 | |
| apachelogger | huh? | 19:25 |
| Daskreech | apachelogger: Well you had so many piled on you :) | 19:27 |
| apachelogger | I did? nice :D | 19:28 |
| Mamarok | Questin: why doex our wiki state that Kubuntu 8.04 is an LTS release? I thought it was clearly stated that it was *not* so. When did that change? | 19:44 |
| Mamarok | does* | 19:44 |
| smarter | it isn't | 19:44 |
| smarter | fix the wiki, I guess :] | 19:45 |
| * Mamarok goes to fix that... | 19:45 | |
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| Mamarok | hm, I can't, as this is not actually on our wiki but a redireted page from ewiki.ubuntu.com, so changing this would change it there | 19:48 |
| Mamarok | we need to change this, but how? | 19:48 |
| smarter | what's the page? | 19:48 |
| davmor2 | Mamarok: before you do you might want to check at what number the current hardy release is at I think you'll find it is hardy.3 the same as Ubuntu's | 19:53 |
| Daskreech | I'm not sure what the point is? | 19:56 |
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| Daskreech | !hardy | 19:59 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu 8.04-LTS (Hardy Heron) was the eighth release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04 - See !lts for more details. | 19:59 |
| Daskreech | should support for hardy be up now if it's not LTS? | 19:59 |
| ScottK | Daskreech: In October | 20:00 |
| Daskreech | ok I'm confused as to that. Is that paid support? | 20:00 |
| Daskreech | I mean they are not shutting off the servers right? | 20:14 |
| Mamarok | davmor2: I don't think it has something to do with the Hardy version, it's about Kubuntu 8.04 *not* being an LTS | 20:14 |
| Mamarok | so our own wiki shows a redirected page fom wiki.ubuntu.com which states that Hardy *is* LTS | 20:15 |
| Mamarok | and we clearly said even beofre the krelease that Kubuntu would not be LTS, so we have to change our wiki | 20:15 |
| Mamarok | but, as this is a redirected page I can't change it, the redirection needs to be changed first | 20:16 |
| ScottK | Riddell, apachelogger, etc: Unless someone objects, I'm going to upload the kdebase-workspace and plasma-addons patches for netbook. | 20:18 |
| ScottK | That or not do it because someone else already did .... | 20:19 |
| ScottK | Lovely to get back from vacation and find work already done. | 20:21 |
| dtchen | i keep wishing for that, and all i get is coal in my stocking | 20:27 |
| dtchen | clearly i fail at taking vacation | 20:27 |
| Daskreech | Take longer vacations | 20:28 |
| Daskreech | Liks=e say 5 months | 20:30 |
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| apachelogger | !mir | 21:22 |
| ubottu | mir is Main Inclusion Report - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess for more information. | 21:22 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: ping | 21:25 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Pong | 21:32 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: did you take a look at kubuntu-firefox-installer yet? | 21:37 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: No. ENOTIME. | 21:37 |
| apachelogger | oh dear | 21:37 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: need to know if it is MIRworthy at this point ;-) | 21:37 |
| apachelogger | depends on libgettext-ruby MIR as well | 21:37 |
| ScottK | I'd ask Riddell. | 21:38 |
| * ScottK wasn't kidding about ENOTIME. | 21:38 | |
| * apachelogger thinks that Riddell is on weekend awayism | 21:41 | |
| ScottK | shtylman and yuriy: Great job on openofficd.org-kde. Looks very KDE4. | 22:07 |
| ghostcube | is this in upstream already ? | 22:15 |
| ghostcube | :) | 22:15 |
| ghostcube | hi btw | 22:15 |
| ScottK | Yes | 22:16 |
| apachelogger | hum | 22:18 |
| apachelogger | libgettext is quite the biatch I must say | 22:18 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: of a package that is in main do all the build-deps need to be in main as well? | 22:20 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Yes. | 22:20 |
| apachelogger | there comes the headache again | 22:20 |
| Daskreech | I privately consider Gnome a better option because I don't trust KDE since it was hard to patch the second version for FreeBSD. | 22:21 |
| * Daskreech chuckles | 22:21 | |
| ScottK | Where did you read that? | 22:21 |
| apachelogger | so either I fork libgettext-ruby or I cripple it | 22:21 |
| apachelogger | yay for good options :S | 22:21 |
| Daskreech | ScottK: Does it make a difference? Logic seems to fail this person | 22:22 |
| ScottK | Or write a big stack of MIR | 22:22 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: ^^ | 22:22 |
| apachelogger | big it would be indeed | 22:22 |
| apachelogger | half of universe :P | 22:22 |
| apachelogger | that fancy package provides support for rails | 22:22 |
| ScottK | Oh dear. | 22:22 |
| apachelogger | also it builds for ruby1.8 and ruby1.9 | 22:23 |
| apachelogger | both of them being in universe | 22:23 |
| ScottK | Could you split it? | 22:23 |
| * ScottK has done that before. | 22:23 | |
| apachelogger | the source? | 22:23 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 22:23 |
| ScottK | Essentially use the same tarball in two packages. | 22:24 |
| ScottK | One builds just what you need for Main and the other builds the rest. | 22:24 |
| apachelogger | yeah, that is what I would understand as fork :) | 22:24 |
| ScottK | OK | 22:24 |
| apachelogger | it's an option, not a very good looking one though | 22:24 |
| * ScottK did it for amavisd-new in Intrepid. | 22:24 | |
| ScottK | It was not fun. | 22:24 |
| apachelogger | actually, it might be the only option and involves heavy patching to get rid of the rails stuff | 22:25 |
| * ScottK is always in favor of getting rid of rails insanity. | 22:25 | |
| apachelogger | rails is quite sane though :P | 22:25 |
| ScottK | OK. I guess it's the gems that's the really insane part. | 22:26 |
| apachelogger | that aint got nothing to do with rails | 22:26 |
| ScottK | OK | 22:26 |
| * ScottK is suspicious of the entire mess. | 22:26 | |
| apachelogger | they are just common in rails project, as it the php counter part in php and probably the python counter part in python ;-) | 22:26 |
| ghostcube | the openoffice.org-kde available is only for 3.0x when will the 3.1x version be in repo :) | 22:27 |
| ScottK | Right, but the Python one we have a reasonable working relationship these days. | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | well, it makes sense on the point of view that windows and mac don't have central packagement and that most linux distros dont have all the software in their repos a user could possibly use | 22:27 |
| Daskreech | ghostcube: This is Koala? | 22:27 |
| ScottK | ghostcube: Nope. openoffice.org-kde | 1:3.1.1~rc1-1ubuntu1 | karmic | amd64, i386 | 22:27 |
| smarter | python has a gem/pear/cpan like ? | 22:28 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 22:28 |
| ScottK | Python Cheese Shop and ez_install. | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | well | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | I think I shall fork the package | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | another thing... | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | I am porting apturl to KDE, for some unknown reason it always crashes at exit | 22:29 |
| apachelogger | clues? | 22:29 |
| smarter | backtrace? | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | http://paste.ubuntu.com/257166/ | 22:30 |
| ghostcube | nah i have jaunty :( | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | + I want to note: I find it quite insane to have the backend implement a mainloop | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | though I see it's advantages | 22:31 |
| apachelogger | its even | 22:31 |
| smarter | apparently the backtrace is missing the last calls (due to kcrash?) | 22:31 |
| smarter | try with --nocrashhandler? | 22:32 |
| apachelogger | might be | 22:32 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Any chance of KDE armel portablity fixes soon? | 22:32 |
| apachelogger | smarter: I wonder how I would do that | 22:35 |
| apachelogger | see backend implementing mainloop :P | 22:35 |
| smarter | what? | 22:35 |
| apachelogger | nvm | 22:36 |
| apachelogger | bt not any more useful | 22:36 |
| NCommander | ScottK, not until FF | 22:39 |
| NCommander | ScottK, very busy until then | 22:39 |
| ScottK | Urgh. | 22:39 |
| NCommander | ScottK, ??? | 22:39 |
| NCommander | ScottK, they can be uploaded post-FF | 22:39 |
| ScottK | Sure, but in the meantime stuff is broken. | 22:39 |
| NCommander | I'll see what I can do | 22:40 |
| ScottK | I wanted to swap a kubuntu-netbook image for our current kubuntu-desktop one and was hoping to get it in shape first. | 22:40 |
| NCommander | ScottK, maybe this weekend | 22:41 |
| NCommander | ScottK, maybe | 22:41 |
| NCommander | gtg | 22:41 |
| ScottK | OK. Thanks. | 22:41 |
| apachelogger | smarter: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/7023e7f95bdbc0a3c6923336c846f06a7b16e6fa/src/gui/painting/qwindowsurface_x11.cpp#line84 | 22:45 |
| apachelogger | smarter: I suppose that the gc is already dead when it comes to this section | 22:46 |
| smarter | a quick googling reveals that gc store some windows painting related stuff | 22:49 |
| smarter | but if it was dead, it should be 0 at that point | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | not if it was nuked outside the Qt mainloop I suppose | 22:51 |
| apachelogger | apturl at some point always ends with sys.exit | 22:51 |
| smarter | weird | 22:52 |
| apachelogger | as it stands the qt mainloop (app.exec_) is not invoked at all, since I am using dialogs and access their local exec_ | 22:52 |
| smarter | that certainly can't work out well :pm | 22:52 |
| apachelogger | but I doubt it would make much difference if I would use app.exec_ rather than dialog.exec_ | 22:52 |
| apachelogger | smarter: the app and its wigets will not be nuked once the mainloop exists eitherway | 22:53 |
| smarter | how does the gtk interface handles that? | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | doesn't seem to utilize any sort of mainloop | 22:54 |
| apachelogger | well, other than the core loop :) | 22:54 |
| apachelogger | smarter: actually, it does it exactly the same way | 22:57 |
| * smarter looks at apturl code | 22:57 | |
| apachelogger | just that their dialog.exec_ is dialog.run and does not hide or destroy the dialog | 22:57 |
| apachelogger | smarter: there was a similar report against kile, which apparently was because of some parenthood problem | 22:58 |
| smarter | do you define a parent here? | 22:58 |
| apachelogger | http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=962946 | 22:59 |
| apachelogger | smarter: mainwidget is child of dialog and all other widgets/layouts are children of mainwidget | 22:59 |
| smarter | and does the dialog has a parent? | 23:01 |
| apachelogger | nope | 23:01 |
| apachelogger | the dialog is the window | 23:01 |
| smarter | I can haz the code? | 23:03 |
| apachelogger | sec | 23:03 |
| apachelogger | hacking around right now :P | 23:03 |
| apachelogger | even if I remove everything but the mainwidget I end up with a crash, even when that one is not a child of the dialog | 23:03 |
| apachelogger | I really think it is due to premature death caused by sys.exit | 23:04 |
| smarter | what happens you remove the sys.exit? | 23:04 |
| smarter | *when | 23:05 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: If you want a break from that, you might see if you can convince kde4libs to build using lzma-dev instead of liblzma.dev. | 23:05 |
| * ScottK throws up his hands. | 23:05 | |
| apachelogger | smarter: no change, what I think is that somehow I should be telling the kapp that we are going to exit soonish so it can wrap up its things :) | 23:06 |
| apachelogger | smarter: pushing to lp:~apachelogger/apturl/kde-port | 23:09 |
| smarter | kool | 23:09 |
| apachelogger | smarter: pusehd | 23:12 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 23:23 |
| apachelogger | smarter: for some reason dialog.deleteLater() seems to fix the issue | 23:23 |
| apachelogger | maybe it is enough to have the event scheduled | 23:23 |
| smarter | that's hackish | 23:23 |
| apachelogger | tell me about it | 23:23 |
| smarter | apachelogger: adding self.setAttribute(Qt.WA_DeleteOnClose) to AptUrlDialog.__init__ seems to do the trick too | 23:33 |
| smarter | still no idea why :p | 23:33 |
| smarter | 'night | 23:34 |
| apachelogger | smarter: that can't be used, the dialog object will be reused in some cases | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | e.g. refresh cache => install | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | or add section => install | 23:35 |
| apachelogger | though the latter is pretty much useless nowadays anyway :P | 23:35 |
| smarter | that's already quiet unusual | 23:35 |
| smarter | what's wrong with recreating a kdialog object each times? | 23:36 |
| apachelogger | what is wrong with just calling deletelater once? :P | 23:36 |
| apachelogger | seems much more resource efficient than recreating the very same object for at least 2 times in a row | 23:36 |
| smarter | "premature performance is the root to all evil" | 23:37 |
| smarter | *optimization | 23:37 |
| shtylman | ScottK: :) | 23:37 |
| apachelogger | smarter: anyway, the window should stay open anyway | 23:38 |
| apachelogger | that is what the gtk thingy does and it is a lot more sensible than just having it disappear and wait for kdesudo | 23:39 |
| smarter | then deleteonclose should not be a problem, since it won't be closed until everything is finished, nah? | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | it will be deleted on close | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | thus the name :P | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | not when everything is finished | 23:39 |
| apachelogger | or rather, when everything is finished, if those ubuntu python apps actually left the mainloop creation to the frontend and not force something upon it backend-wise ;-) | 23:40 |
| smarter | reworking the backend seems more sensible | 23:40 |
| apachelogger | on a minimum effort that base that might not be so sensible | 23:41 |
| smarter | :p | 23:42 |
| smarter | anyway, off to bed, have fun struggling with pythons :p | 23:43 |
| * apachelogger should port to ruby anyways :P | 23:43 | |
| smarter | port it to mono \o/ | 23:44 |
| apachelogger | or VBA | 23:44 |
| vorian | nomo | 23:45 |
| vorian | no mo please | 23:45 |
| jjesse | C# :) | 23:45 |
| * vorian invents C- | 23:45 | |
| vorian | c--+- | 23:45 |
| apachelogger | come fly with me lets fly lets fly away | 23:45 |
| vorian | franky | 23:45 |
| jjesse | f# | 23:45 |
| * apachelogger takes vorian for a dance | 23:46 | |
| vorian | :o | 23:46 |
| vorian | my idaho neighbors might burn my house down if they saw that | 23:46 |
| apachelogger | I suppose we could then squeeze some money out of them? | 23:47 |
| vorian | hehe | 23:48 |
| apachelogger | 1 more mir | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | 2 more mir | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | 3 more mir | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | why dont we just do MIRs for all of universe? | 23:52 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: do I need a MIR if $source is in main but $binary is in universe? | 23:54 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: No, just file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-mir. | 23:54 |
| apachelogger | oh, nvm, that dep gets replaced by stock ruby1.8 anyway | 23:55 |
| apachelogger | I need MIRs for rake, racc and libgettext-ruby (+ that needs to be forked and fitted for main) | 23:57 |
| apachelogger | volunteers? | 23:57 |
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