[00:03] yuriy: oh I never worked out what that was [00:05] hmm a tip if anyone notices bugs in ff 3.5 and has ubufox installed try to deactivate it in add ons [00:05] seems to make trouble [00:05] -_- [00:11] yay, libmysqld-pic in main [00:12] and the amarok merge is in bzr [00:14] * shtylman is pleased OO kde4 is in kubuntu now :) [00:15] It's in Karmic? [00:16] Riddell: Ping [00:17] hi DAskreech [00:19] JontheEchidna: anything new in amarok bzr compared to the archive? [00:19] Riddell: a merge from Debian [00:19] s/from/with [01:10] Bah of course Irssi doesn't ping back [01:11] Riddell: If we are not going to use the Kubuntu identi.ca account to make mini announcements can we at least send a greeting message since it's one of the first things people see when they boot up a Kubuntu Live Cd from here on out? [01:17] DAskreech: I'd like to get into the habit of using it for mini announcements [01:17] anything you think should be announced? [01:18] Riddell: apachelogger of course [01:18] netbook remix [01:18] alpha 4 [01:22] * DAskreech points the person with answers ;-) [01:30] * Nightrose now has 2 twitter and 3 identi.ca accounts in choqok [01:30] oh dear... [01:31] Riddell: i'll subscribe to a few kubuntu peeps so it doesn't look dead [01:31] and also join !kubuntu so we can post notes to that [01:35] ok this looks much more lovely now :) [01:36] anyone from the kubuntu team who hasn't been followed by @kubuntu just now please let me know so I can add you too [01:38] can I get twitter to forward to identica? [01:38] nope only the other way around [01:40] and kubotu can only talk to twitter, annoying that [01:40] it shouldn't be hard to make it talk to idenit.ca [01:40] the api is the same afaik [01:41] yes [01:41] you can also use jabber to update identi.ca if you use that [01:42] argh... 3 am already [01:42] can't say I do [01:42] i need to go to bed - like really [01:42] good night :) [01:46] here's ruphy! [01:46] ruphy: seen the new openoffice oxygen style? [02:03] whoa just got a plasma notification from nm-applet. sweet. [02:03] yay [02:04] of course that's bittersweet cause I had to run nm-applet in the first place [02:18] Nightrose: I was thinking things like new items in Kubuntu+1 and smaller victories or call to tests get posted to the Kubuntu account where large releases and significant events get posted to !kubuntu by kubuntu [02:19] Or wait Riddell for the above :) [02:19] Ah Work sucks [02:20] Where is the new OO.o umm O style? === word__ is now known as word === ryanakca is now known as Guest76526 [05:39] * spstarr syncs today's packages [05:42] hmm [05:42] Error Type: Error Value: 'PackageKitCache' object has no attribute '_dict' File : [05:42] KpackageKit crashy [05:42] maybe aptitude clean will 'fix' the cache [05:43] no [05:43] 103 new packages :) === m4v_ is now known as m4v [09:04] Happy Birthday JontheEchidna! \o/ [11:33] Riddell: I may have time to look at it at work today... I'm gone to a Highland Games / visiting family all weekend... Its package may be quick enough to through together though, they use qmake... [12:08] hi peoples, i got a question. would it be possible to setup the extensions for thunderbird-3.0 into an backport or experimental ppa ? [12:08] cause enigmail and lightning arent working on 3.0 would be very cool [12:09] and there are no 64 bit xpi around [12:10] thats the problem sorry [12:12] Guys I'm a bit confused I'm just running some tests on yesterdays install as all of the iso's are broken thanks nvidia :). Whilst running dist-upgrade I got asked the config options for postfix, please tell me that kubuntu isn't turning into server edition slowly === Guest76526 is now known as ryanakca [12:30] default window for kmail through pim is tiny :( [12:55] davmor2: CDs built today? [13:06] Nightrose: thx === JontheEchidna is now known as jonny|birthday [13:38] hey all,anyone free here? ( Im starting out on packaging :) ) [13:39] i cant seem to figure out the wiki by myself... [13:39] hi shadeslayer, what are you looking at? [13:40] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete [13:40] Riddell: i want to start out building packages,and eventually help you guys :) [13:41] shadeslayer: do you have something in mind to package? [13:41] Riddell: i want to start out by building .deb out of svn check outs [13:42] something simple like rekonq for jaunty [13:42] shadeslayer: why do you want svn checkouts packaged ? [13:42] surley working on the supported packages is a better option otherwise they will just become your PPA [13:43] ikonia: this is just a personal project as of now,im just starting out,i want to help some of my freinds who think compiling is very difficult ( and dont have the time for it ) [13:44] * ryanakca wonders if he should mention Dooble ;) [13:44] shadeslayer: ok - so what's the problem then, start a PPA [13:45] ikonia: ill have a look [13:45] shadeslayer: a good way to practice is re-build a package that is a known working pacakge [13:45] shadeslayer: want to try Dooble and make ryanakca happy? :) [13:46] * ryanakca grins [13:46] shadeslayer: eg: pick a package that already exists and is known working then follow the process on that package (that way you won't hit anything out of the norm ) [13:46] ikonia: thing is i can compile easily but packaging is a whole new level :) [13:46] shadeslayer: You can get a tarball of the latest SVN revision from http://dooble.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/dooble/trunk/browser.tar.gz?view=tar [13:46] shadeslayer: don't start with development / svn builds, get to know and understand the process first [13:47] shadeslayer: that's why I'm suggesting rebuild and package an existing package [13:47] ikonia: ok,thats what im asking,how do you build a package out of a source tar ball,im all confuzled by the wiki [13:47] shadeslayer: get to know the process in side out without the headache of trying to fix problems, rebuild something that is an already existing and known package [13:47] shadeslayer: what part's causing you problems ? [13:47] ikonia: i get you :) [13:47] ikonia: the part which says pbuilder [13:48] shadeslayer: apt-get source aoeui (it's a very simple package) and try building it with pbuilder [13:48] let me pull up the wiki [13:48] ryanakca: whats dooble btw? [13:48] shadeslayer: a web browser [13:48] ryanakca: um i have rekonq,so why another browser? [13:48] "Dooble is a Secure and Open Source Web Browser that provides solid performance, stability, and cross-platform functionality. [13:48] One of the application's most important goals is to safeguard the privacy of its community with a group of integrated privacy features of the browser: search engine, secure messenger, and e-mail client. The installer also provides a means of installing the Dooble browser component." [13:48] shadeslayer: ok - which step with pbuilder isn't clear [13:49] ikonia: the second part,what if the source has no dsc? [13:49] shadeslayer: because upstream *really* wants it packaged :) [13:49] shadeslayer: you have to build one [13:49] * ryanakca wonders if this would be better suited for -motu [13:50] shadeslayer: just looking for the bit i nthe doc [13:50] ikonia: ok ill google that :) [13:51] ikonia: btw does " --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu main restricted universe multiverse" [13:51] shadeslayer: also, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ is a very good guide for packaging [13:51] upload the package to a mirror? [13:51] ryanakca: i need something which tells me the basic ABC of packaging [13:52] shadeslayer: check the "Building the Package" section on the wiki [13:52] shadeslayer: It does... anyways, I'm off [13:52] ryanakca: thanks alot [13:52] ikonia: the ubuntu one? [13:53] shadeslayer: yup [13:53] ok [13:53] ok ill catch you in 30 mins or so...ill go through both the wikis [13:53] shadeslayer: look at an existing file, use it as a template [13:54] ikonia: the dsc? ok ill download some source [13:54] shadeslayer: that's it [13:54] just have a look through to get an idea of the layout and contents [13:55] ok [14:00] !packaging [14:00] The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports === txwikinger3 is now known as txwikinger_work [14:11] Riddell: not yet but should be soon I'll check with evand [14:15] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/karmic/kubuntu/20090821/livecd-20090821-i386.out no broken [14:17] Riddell: yes it is look at the bottom [14:17] nvidia breaks the live install [14:17] Riddell: you have mail... [14:17] and alternate at the moment [14:18] Riddell: the kubuntu livefs last worked on the 17th [14:18] and Ubuntu's on the 19th [14:21] pesky nvidia === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [14:23] Riddell: yesterday was OO.o and foomatic. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/DailySmoke You might want to subscribe to that page :) [14:24] nixternal: let's get your feedback applet up and running, where can I find it and what needs set up on a server? [14:42] Riddell: the plasmoid appears to be here http://blog.nixternal.com/2009.06.18/kubuntu-qa-and-feedback/ ... server side, no clue. [15:04] ryanakca: I'll take a stab at dooble (if no one else feels so inclined) [15:05] Riddell: waa, I forgot to push my amarok merge to bzr yesterday. it's there now [15:10] rgreening: Thanks. It's kindof like emacs... it has everything... I don't know if it's better making one mega package or making one each for the browser, the search engine, the im client, the email client, etc. [15:11] ryanakca: package the browser first (IMO) at least from looking at the source [15:13] rgreening: *nod* ... I'd only stick it in a PPA, it seemed to crash a lot on me... [15:13] sure [15:14] But then, it's all up to you, you're the one packaging it ;) [15:14] lol [15:14] hmm.. any one got an example packge which uses qmake to build a .pro file? [15:16] rgreening: kid3, kscope, merkaartor, qsynaptics, touchfreeze [15:16] cool. good place to start [15:16] ty ryanakca [15:22] hey im back with another question :) [15:23] cant we just upload a raw svn checkout to the PPA and get it todo the work for us? [15:24] shadeslayer: No, you need to package it [15:24] ryanakca: ahh...so i upload .debs :) [15:24] once it's packaged, you can upload it to a PPA and have it build it for you. It's generally quicker to pbuild it though, you'll ned up waiting a while for the buildds to get around to your package if you upload it to a PPA [15:25] shadeslayer: no, you dput a .changes file, which uploads the .dsc, the .diff.gz and the .orig.tar.gz [15:26] ok,so these file are the ones i need to learn to create [15:26] shadeslayer: Yes. Have you tried building an already existing package? [15:27] ryanakca: nope im too busy reading all the links and importing keys to my PPA account : https://launchpad.net/%7Erohan16garg [15:27] shadeslayer: why are you setting ppa's up [15:27] learn the packaging first [15:27] shadeslayer: OK. Well, as ikonia recommended earlier, building an existing package is a good way to start. [15:27] ikonia: its empty [15:27] don't start at the end - start at the begining [15:28] ryanakca: ok [15:28] ikonia: i thought that we can directly upload sources....my bad [15:28] I have the printer configuration service back , but I get this error .The service 'Printer Configuration' does not provide an interface 'KCModule' with keyword 'system-config-printer-kde/system-config-printer-kde.py'The factory does not support creating components of the specified type. [15:29] when i use the search feature in dolphin 4.3 on jaunty it says nepomuk died [15:30] looks to me like the printer is being handled by a kernel module.. does that seem right ? [15:30] shadeslayer: apt-get source hello or apt-get source hello-debhelper [15:31] okies....apt is kinda busy right now :) [15:31] vorian: how is "Plasma Widgets: Create Universe meta package to get all packaged widgets" doing? [15:31] shadeslayer: #ubuntu-motu is a better place to ask general packaging questions [15:31] ok ill go there [15:32] BluesKaj: that's a kcontrol issue and probably caused by a problem in python-kde [15:33] Riddell: respins in play now according to evand :) [15:34] Riddell, yes I'll ask in #kde [15:34] BluesKaj: they don't know [15:34] BluesKaj: try kcmshell4 system-config-printer-kde [15:34] on the command line [15:34] what about python [15:34] and pastebin the output [15:34] davmor2: I think Kubuntu will have to wait, we still have that packagekit issue [15:35] is that what killed pyhton 2.6 [15:36] Riddell: yeah but you still have aptitude right so not essential just nice :) [15:37] davmor2: well the CDs won't build until python-apt is installable [15:37] Riddell, http://www.pastebin.ca/1537744 [15:38] BluesKaj: mm, that's an issue with our packaging, please report it to launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings [15:42] Riddell: did you get anywhere on the feedback? [15:42] getting a message box stating a file or something is missing after logging in...I take it this is already known because it happens on all 3 machines :) [15:43] Riddell, I assumed that that like some other app/device modules are now taken over by a kernel module and are handling printing thru HAL ...does that make sense ? [15:43] Riddell, cuz my printer is working fine , I just don't have any printer options [15:43] nixternal: what missing file? [15:44] doesn't say...popup icon == apport and the message says "No such file or directory" [15:44] BluesKaj: yes cups does all the hard work, as long as it detects the printer correctly you don't need a UI [15:45] Riddell, cool, i won't bother you with this ay longer , thx for your input :) [15:46] BluesKaj: well do bother me if it's not fixed in the next week or so [15:47] Riddell, fine , i'll bbl then [15:50] Riddell: any idea on how to use the tooltip that kmix, info icon, and such use instead of the generic blue rectangle one that looks so kde3? [15:51] KSystemTrayIcon Tooltip is old looking, I want the new plasma themed one [15:51] for an app I am writing [15:55] nixternal: you need the new system tray class [15:56] knotificationitem [16:03] that isn't in pykde4 yet is it? === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [16:07] Riddell,just for your info : "system-config-printer-kde" bug has already been reported on launchpad, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebindings/+bug/377333 [16:07] Launchpad bug 377333 in kdebindings "KDE Printer Configuration applet is broken" [Undecided,Fix released] === lipk is now known as micmord [16:19] rgreening: go ahead on dooble if you want [16:33] JontheEchidna: hrm, this amarok merge will break .pot generation [16:34] must be the fancy dh_7 stuff? [16:35] yeah === bdefreese2 is now known as bddebian [16:53] I would love to learn how to convert libs to pykde4...seems a bit over my head just by looking at it [16:57] ooh, actually it doesn't look all that difficult, just tedious [16:59] JontheEchidna: why does amarok need gcal? [16:59] apport-kde is fuly capable of a DOS [17:00] maco: is there a bug report for it? [17:00] http://pastebin.com/f5e24958a [17:00] my system's still trying to recover from it [17:00] i dont mean apport is being DOS'd. i mean it causes one [17:01] what is triggering apport? [17:01] i dont know, but after i cancel apport, the process doesnt quit [17:02] hrmm [17:02] so if over the course of a few days it comes up a bunch, and i keep telling it to go away, the window goes away, but the process keeps going...and then a ton of 'em build up. ive seen about 30 or so before, but...191 this time? [17:02] I have apport-kde notifications popup one after the other in the past...did you only get one popup or a bunch of them? [17:03] i had probably 50 or so when i booted 2 days ago [17:03] nice :/ [17:03] i just kept clicking cancel [17:03] I wonder if there is a general apport problem, because I was getting the same deal on Ubuntu box [17:03] Riddell: is that a build-depend? [17:04] JontheEchidna: it is in your merge [17:04] libgcal0 [17:04] i wonder if the process doesnt exit when you cancel AND new processes start up for anything in /var/crash/ after each resume from suspend? thatd get me up to 191 pretty easy [17:04] Riddell: I don't see that anywhere [17:04] well, the apport-kde process used to exit when clicking cancel instead of segfaulting like apport-qt did [17:04] which hum [17:05] its tricky too cuz id look in top and be like "a couple things using 100MB or so....how does that make 6GiB???" and then see a bunch of apport-kde using small amounts of ram..a.nd then they addup [17:05] JontheEchidna: well dunno, debuild wanted it installed but now it doesn't [17:05] >>> (svn)-[KDE:1014138] [1028] which hum [17:05] hum not found [17:05] huh, strange [17:05] JontheEchidna: maybe something else needed it updated, ignore me :) [17:05] ;p [17:05] :) [17:08] I am starting to dig arora a bit, just some inconsistencies that are annoying as hell to me === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [17:15] fabo: any thoughts on what would be a good debhelper 7 target to override for generating .pot translation files? [17:18] ok, heading to the laundromat with laptop :) see you soon [17:20] laundromat is such a strange Americanism, I wonder where it came from === ScottK2 is now known as ScottK === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [17:25] Riddell: what do you call it? [17:26] I believe it came from automatic laundry. [17:26] Of course I believe lots of things that probably aren't true. [17:26] According to http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=laundry , Laundromat is from 1943, originally a proprietary name by Westinghouse. [17:27] ScottK: Oh, but you are right, From Laundromat, trademark of Westinghouse Electric Corporation for its washing machines, as a blend of laundry and automatic :) [17:27] http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/laundromat [17:28] maco: laundrette [17:33] that sounds like a small one [18:04] Riddell: Is it time for the old knetworkmanager package to die? [18:35] Nightrose: ping [18:44] Riddell: I'm looking at updating our plasma-widget-networkmanagement snapshot and I notice we currently have a po file directory that upstream doesn't. How do I regenerate that? Do I just copy the old one? [18:48] alteroo: pong [18:59] Nightrose: Did you see my message about possible uses of identi.ca from last night? [18:59] Oh [18:59] umm wait === alteroo is now known as Daskreech [18:59] Ok now did you see it? :) [19:00] Daskreech: heh nope sorry - must have missed that [19:00] what did you say? [19:01] I was thinking that significant inclusions for Kubuntu+1 calls for testing and small victories can be transmitted on the kubuntu account while major releases and larger stuff can be transmitted on !kubuntu [19:05] Daskreech: sorry for lag - too much to do before heading off to conference [19:05] Daskreech: uhm sure [19:06] that was at least my plan ;-) [19:06] I just need people to poke me with them if I forget [19:06] but I'll try to do my best to make it as lively as @amarok [19:07] 9;2~:-) [19:07] Riddell: probably override_dh_install or maybe dh_auto_install seems fine [19:15] Riddell: ping [19:15] or, any other ubuntu devs around? [19:16] hi apachelogger [19:19] Can anyone tell me how I can know which version of the kernel a particular linux-image is based on? 2.6.28-15...is this 2.6.28.[0-10]? [19:19] hola Daskreech [19:19] hola everyone else [19:20] Riddell: i havent had a chance at all - i've been very busy moving and whatnot [19:21] jefferai: Probably #ubuntu-kernel for kernel questions. [19:24] thanks [19:24] * Daskreech starts taking accolades off apachelogger [19:25] huh? [19:27] apachelogger: Well you had so many piled on you :) [19:28] I did? nice :D [19:44] Questin: why doex our wiki state that Kubuntu 8.04 is an LTS release? I thought it was clearly stated that it was *not* so. When did that change? [19:44] does* [19:44] it isn't [19:45] fix the wiki, I guess :] [19:45] * Mamarok goes to fix that... === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [19:48] hm, I can't, as this is not actually on our wiki but a redireted page from ewiki.ubuntu.com, so changing this would change it there [19:48] we need to change this, but how? [19:48] what's the page? [19:53] Mamarok: before you do you might want to check at what number the current hardy release is at I think you'll find it is hardy.3 the same as Ubuntu's [19:56] I'm not sure what the point is? === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [19:59] !hardy [19:59] Ubuntu 8.04-LTS (Hardy Heron) was the eighth release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04 - See !lts for more details. [19:59] should support for hardy be up now if it's not LTS? [20:00] Daskreech: In October [20:00] ok I'm confused as to that. Is that paid support? [20:14] I mean they are not shutting off the servers right? [20:14] davmor2: I don't think it has something to do with the Hardy version, it's about Kubuntu 8.04 *not* being an LTS [20:15] so our own wiki shows a redirected page fom wiki.ubuntu.com which states that Hardy *is* LTS [20:15] and we clearly said even beofre the krelease that Kubuntu would not be LTS, so we have to change our wiki [20:16] but, as this is a redirected page I can't change it, the redirection needs to be changed first [20:18] Riddell, apachelogger, etc: Unless someone objects, I'm going to upload the kdebase-workspace and plasma-addons patches for netbook. [20:19] That or not do it because someone else already did .... [20:21] Lovely to get back from vacation and find work already done. [20:27] i keep wishing for that, and all i get is coal in my stocking [20:27] clearly i fail at taking vacation [20:28] Take longer vacations [20:30] Liks=e say 5 months === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 [21:22] !mir [21:22] mir is Main Inclusion Report - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess for more information. [21:25] ScottK: ping [21:32] apachelogger: Pong [21:37] ScottK: did you take a look at kubuntu-firefox-installer yet? [21:37] apachelogger: No. ENOTIME. [21:37] oh dear [21:37] ScottK: need to know if it is MIRworthy at this point ;-) [21:37] depends on libgettext-ruby MIR as well [21:38] I'd ask Riddell. [21:38] * ScottK wasn't kidding about ENOTIME. [21:41] * apachelogger thinks that Riddell is on weekend awayism [22:07] shtylman and yuriy: Great job on openofficd.org-kde. Looks very KDE4. [22:15] is this in upstream already ? [22:15] :) [22:15] hi btw [22:16] Yes [22:18] hum [22:18] libgettext is quite the biatch I must say [22:20] ScottK: of a package that is in main do all the build-deps need to be in main as well? [22:20] apachelogger: Yes. [22:20] there comes the headache again [22:21] I privately consider Gnome a better option because I don't trust KDE since it was hard to patch the second version for FreeBSD. [22:21] * Daskreech chuckles [22:21] Where did you read that? [22:21] so either I fork libgettext-ruby or I cripple it [22:21] yay for good options :S [22:22] ScottK: Does it make a difference? Logic seems to fail this person [22:22] Or write a big stack of MIR [22:22] apachelogger: ^^ [22:22] big it would be indeed [22:22] half of universe :P [22:22] that fancy package provides support for rails [22:22] Oh dear. [22:23] also it builds for ruby1.8 and ruby1.9 [22:23] both of them being in universe [22:23] Could you split it? [22:23] * ScottK has done that before. [22:23] the source? [22:23] Yes. [22:24] Essentially use the same tarball in two packages. [22:24] One builds just what you need for Main and the other builds the rest. [22:24] yeah, that is what I would understand as fork :) [22:24] OK [22:24] it's an option, not a very good looking one though [22:24] * ScottK did it for amavisd-new in Intrepid. [22:24] It was not fun. [22:25] actually, it might be the only option and involves heavy patching to get rid of the rails stuff [22:25] * ScottK is always in favor of getting rid of rails insanity. [22:25] rails is quite sane though :P [22:26] OK. I guess it's the gems that's the really insane part. [22:26] that aint got nothing to do with rails [22:26] OK [22:26] * ScottK is suspicious of the entire mess. [22:26] they are just common in rails project, as it the php counter part in php and probably the python counter part in python ;-) [22:27] the openoffice.org-kde available is only for 3.0x when will the 3.1x version be in repo :) [22:27] Right, but the Python one we have a reasonable working relationship these days. [22:27] well, it makes sense on the point of view that windows and mac don't have central packagement and that most linux distros dont have all the software in their repos a user could possibly use [22:27] ghostcube: This is Koala? [22:27] ghostcube: Nope. openoffice.org-kde | 1:3.1.1~rc1-1ubuntu1 | karmic | amd64, i386 [22:28] python has a gem/pear/cpan like ? [22:28] Yes. [22:28] Python Cheese Shop and ez_install. [22:28] well [22:28] I think I shall fork the package [22:28] another thing... [22:29] I am porting apturl to KDE, for some unknown reason it always crashes at exit [22:29] clues? [22:30] backtrace? [22:30] http://paste.ubuntu.com/257166/ [22:30] nah i have jaunty :( [22:30] + I want to note: I find it quite insane to have the backend implement a mainloop [22:31] though I see it's advantages [22:31] its even [22:31] apparently the backtrace is missing the last calls (due to kcrash?) [22:32] try with --nocrashhandler? [22:32] might be [22:32] NCommander: Any chance of KDE armel portablity fixes soon? [22:35] smarter: I wonder how I would do that [22:35] see backend implementing mainloop :P [22:35] what? [22:36] nvm [22:36] bt not any more useful [22:39] ScottK, not until FF [22:39] ScottK, very busy until then [22:39] Urgh. [22:39] ScottK, ??? [22:39] ScottK, they can be uploaded post-FF [22:39] Sure, but in the meantime stuff is broken. [22:40] I'll see what I can do [22:40] I wanted to swap a kubuntu-netbook image for our current kubuntu-desktop one and was hoping to get it in shape first. [22:41] ScottK, maybe this weekend [22:41] ScottK, maybe [22:41] gtg [22:41] OK. Thanks. [22:45] smarter: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/7023e7f95bdbc0a3c6923336c846f06a7b16e6fa/src/gui/painting/qwindowsurface_x11.cpp#line84 [22:46] smarter: I suppose that the gc is already dead when it comes to this section [22:49] a quick googling reveals that gc store some windows painting related stuff [22:49] but if it was dead, it should be 0 at that point [22:51] not if it was nuked outside the Qt mainloop I suppose [22:51] apturl at some point always ends with sys.exit [22:52] weird [22:52] as it stands the qt mainloop (app.exec_) is not invoked at all, since I am using dialogs and access their local exec_ [22:52] that certainly can't work out well :pm [22:52] but I doubt it would make much difference if I would use app.exec_ rather than dialog.exec_ [22:53] smarter: the app and its wigets will not be nuked once the mainloop exists eitherway [22:53]