[00:35] <shikibu> what should happen if I am looking at my own url (https://launchpad.net/~shikibu), and I click "Code"? what actually does happen is a timeout error
[00:37] <wgrant> shikibu: Try https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~shikibu; that's more likely to work at the moment.
[00:37] <wgrant> There's a bug causing timeouts on some branch listings.
[00:37] <shikibu> got it. thanks
[01:56] <poolie> thumper, can you help https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-code/+question/80568
[01:56] <thumper> poolie: I had already opened it when I say you change the project
[01:56] <poolie> oh cool, thanks
[02:33] <Hellow> Hello, I require the assistance of a Launchpad admin. Any here?
[02:34] <wgrant> Hellow: You might not actually need an admin. Ask away, and people will help or direct you to where you must go.
[02:36] <Hellow> wgrant: The leader of the Ubuntu Forums Unanswered Posts Team has gone MIA, and since we have appointed two new leaders, myself being one. We need a LP admin to set the two new leaders as administrators on the relevant Launchpad team.
[02:36] <wgrant> Hellow: You should ask a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion, and an admin will sort it out.
[09:26] <wgrant> Are old launchpad-users archives anywhere? The old archives were never imported into the new list, and the old archive URL just redirects to the new on.
[09:51] <bigjools> wgrant: that's a question for kfogel I guess
[09:52] <kamalnandan> I was wondering what this launchpad ppa does..
[09:52] <kamalnandan> i am new to packaging and i was directed to this website..but i find it really intriguing..
[09:52] <bigjools> kamalnandan: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA
[09:54] <bigjools> mrevell: talking of which, that page is wrong about subsequent PPA quotas
[09:54] <mrevell> bigjools: Ah, is it?
[09:54] <wgrant> I noticed that last week, but thought it might have been intentional.
[09:55] <bigjools> mrevell: they're all 1Bg
[09:55] <bigjools> er 1Gb
[09:55] <kamalnandan> bigjools: thanks for response..but that page I have already been visiting..but it talks of "signing the Ubuntu code of conduct. "..
[09:56] <mrevell> bigjools: Ah, tis news to me sir. :)
[09:56] <bigjools> kamalnandan: yes, it requires you to digitally sign the Code of Conduct, which is recorded in Launchpad, before you're permitted to use PPAs
[09:57] <bigjools> it just affirms that you're a nice guy and you won't do anything stupid
[09:57] <kamalnandan> I tried doing that..but i am taken to this page:
[09:57] <kamalnandan> https://launchpad.net/~kamal-nandan/+editpgpkeys
[09:57] <bigjools> kamalnandan: yes, you need to have a gpg registered in Launchpad
[09:57] <bigjools> gpg key
[09:57] <kamalnandan> i need to enter some fingerprint there..
[09:58] <kamalnandan> how do i get gpg key?
[09:58] <kamalnandan> when i type this command at the terminal:
[09:58] <kamalnandan> gpg --fingerprint
[09:59] <kamalnandan> i dont get any response..
[09:59] <bigjools> you have to generate a key locally, and upload it to the ubuntu keyserver
[09:59] <kamalnandan> how do we generate that key locally?
[10:00] <wgrant> kamalnandan: See the 'Learn more about OpenPGP keys' link on that page.
[10:01] <kamalnandan> bigjools and wgrant, thanks for guidance..I will go thru that 'Learn more about OpenPGP keys' page ..:-)
[10:03] <rowinggolfer> kamalnandan: mrevell's howtos are 1st clas IMO.
[10:03] <rowinggolfer> what exactly don't you get?
[10:03] <mrevell> rowinggolfer: Oh thanks man.
[10:04] <mrevell> Perhaps we should have a screencast on generating and adding a PGP key
[10:04] <popey> \o/ screencast highlight
[10:04] <wgrant> mrevell: OTOH I think it's a reasonable barrier.
[10:05] <mrevell> popey: hah
[10:05] <bigjools> mrevell: +1
[10:05] <mrevell> wgrant: Maybe for PPA-related stuff but not for CoCs.
[10:06] <wgrant> mrevell: True.
[10:06] <mrevell> wgrant: Unless I misunderstand you.
[10:06]  * wgrant recalls helping non-technical people through signing the CoC...
[10:06] <wgrant> So yes, screencast!
[10:07] <mrevell> heh
[10:07] <rowinggolfer> kamalnandan: what I didn't get about PPAs was the "building" part.
[10:07]  * mrevell dons his robe and screencast hat
[10:07] <rowinggolfer> I had thought that you made the debs on your own machine......
[10:07] <rowinggolfer> the VM stuff behind the scenes is really cool
[10:08] <bigjools> mrevell: robe? are you playing quidditch?
[10:08] <mrevell> bigjools: Just a reference to the classic bash.org quote -- http://www.bash.org/?104383
[10:09] <kamalnandan> rowinggolfer: thanks for response...but how do you know if I am building something, and I doing that on Ubuntu VM..
[10:10] <rowinggolfer> kamalnandan: here's the deal... locally (ie. on your machine, be it i386, x64 or lpia......)
[10:10] <rowinggolfer> you build a SOURCE package
[10:10] <rowinggolfer> that is sent to launchpad PPA (using dput)
[10:11] <rowinggolfer> and the launchpad builds a deb for the 3 architectures.
[10:12] <kamalnandan> rowinggolfer: but how do you know if I am using some VM...:-)..
[10:12] <kamalnandan> and BTW, how do i access this "mrevell's howtos"
[10:12] <mrevell> kamalnandan: There are some help guides here: https://help.launchpad.net
[10:13] <mrevell> kamalnandan: and there are some pop-up help links in the Launchpad web UI itself
[10:13] <kamalnandan> mrevell: thanks for the link...
[10:13] <mrevell> pleasure
[10:16] <rowinggolfer> kamalnandan: I'm sorry I mentioned the VMs now... I've confused you.
[10:16] <rowinggolfer> that's all behind the scenes.
[10:17] <rowinggolfer> launchpad build method creates a "virgin" ubuntu machine
[10:17] <rowinggolfer> and builds your deb on that
[10:17] <rowinggolfer> that ensures dependency checking etc.....
[10:17] <rowinggolfer> is non-polluted
[10:17] <rowinggolfer> I may be wrong about this... I'm a newbie to this too.
[10:18] <rowinggolfer> Launchpad is a HUGE TOOL that is difficult to get one's head around.
[10:18] <rowinggolfer> difficult to swallow.... so to speak
[10:18] <kamalnandan> rowinggolfer: infact I have been working on ubuntu packaging for which I was asked to use launchpad(initially I was trying to do that on my own ubuntu machine that is installed over my VMWare)..and I was surprised how you know so many things abt me...:-)
[10:18]  * rowinggolfer getting close to the boundaries of allowable euphenism.
[10:21] <kamalnandan> rowinggolfer: infact this is the 1st time i have logged in into this lauchpad IRC..and you mentioned all the keywords like building, deb, VM etc. that was related to my work..and that left me surprised..though you wrere talking of some other VM(i.e. Virgin machine)..
[10:23] <kamalnandan> rowinggolfer: sorry for my misunderstanding and if it offended you..
[10:23] <popey> mrevell: never seen that bash quote, it's awesome
[10:23] <garyvdm> Hi - I'm trying to dput to a launchpad ppa. It stops on the .orig.tar.gz: on 467k/468k. I left it for 5 min, but it did not continue. Here is pastebin of my console: http://paste.ubuntu.com/256786/
[10:23] <garyvdm> Is there any thing I can try to get it to go?
[10:24] <mrevell> popey: Seriously? I thought it was majorly famous, I love it :)
[10:24] <noodles775> garyvdm: I replied in #ubuntu-motu
[10:25]  * wgrant had seen that quote years ago.
[10:26] <bigjools> mrevell: haha, yes, that's old but awesome
[10:27] <popey> mrevell: as do I now :)
[10:27] <rowinggolfer> kamalnandan: not offended in the slightest
[10:29] <rowinggolfer> kamalnandan: delighted you thought I was cracking into your system though....
[10:29] <rowinggolfer> that is SO beyond my sklillset
[10:29] <bigjools> mrevell: more here http://www.mlcsmith.com/humor/cybersex/
[10:29] <mrevell> cheers bigjools :)
[10:30] <bigjools> mrevell: my pleasure
[10:30] <bigjools> or maybe yours
[10:45] <kamalnandan> rowinggolfer: thanks...:-)
[10:58] <rowinggolfer> #ubuntu-motu
[10:58] <rowinggolfer> damn
[10:58] <rowinggolfer> one day, I'll get a clue.
[11:07] <rowinggolfer> question.
[11:07] <rowinggolfer> this room is aimed at which demographic?
[11:07] <rowinggolfer> launchpad is such a big toolset
[11:07] <wgrant> Launchpad users in general.
[11:07] <rowinggolfer> is this the place for PPA discussion?
[11:07] <rowinggolfer> or the bug tracking stuff?
[11:07] <rowinggolfer> or both.
[11:07] <wgrant> PPAs, yes. Packaging in general belongs in #ubuntu-motu.
[11:08] <intellectronica> rowinggolfer: all of the above
[11:08] <rowinggolfer> what does motu stand for?
[11:08] <wgrant> Discussion about the bug tracker is here; discussion about bugs in particular belongs in the project's channels.
[11:08] <intellectronica> masters of the universe
[11:08] <rowinggolfer> lol.
[11:08] <rowinggolfer> seriously?
[11:08] <wgrant> Yes.
[11:08] <intellectronica> rowinggolfer: funny, but that wasn't a joke
[11:08] <wgrant> A term dating back to 2004, and about to die :(
[11:09] <intellectronica> (universe being the general debian-derived repository managed by said masters)
[11:09] <rowinggolfer> ah... ok.
[11:10] <rowinggolfer> I was thinking that the shuttleworth was the master of the universe...
[11:10] <rowinggolfer> with jono and popey as his evil henchmen.
[11:17] <mrevell> deryck: pingalingading
[11:18] <deryck> hi mrevell
[11:18] <deryck> pongalongadingdong
[11:18] <mrevell> deryck:  :)
[11:40] <intellectronica> anyone else getting replies from boxbe.com for email sent to the users list?
[11:41] <wgrant> intellectronica: Yes. It's been like that for months.
[11:41] <intellectronica> really? first time for me. always from the same user?
[11:41] <wgrant> Yes.
[11:42] <intellectronica> i think we should ask him to stop. i realise this is supposed to be some kind of outsourced authentication service, but i don't think it's acceptable nevertheless
[11:43] <wgrant> Agreed.
[11:44] <gmb> intellectronica, wgrant: I just saw that too. +1 for asking him to stop.
[12:53] <rowinggolfer> I'm having trouble connecting to people.ubuntu.com
[12:53] <rowinggolfer> 1st time I've tried
[12:53] <rowinggolfer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeopleUbuntuCom
[12:53] <rowinggolfer> I'm using filezilla.
[12:53] <rowinggolfer> can anyone help?
[12:54] <rowinggolfer> is my secret key the password?
[12:55] <rowinggolfer> surely not.
[12:56] <wgrant> rowinggolfer: It's your SSH key.
[12:56] <rowinggolfer> the public one?
[12:56] <wgrant> I just use Nautilus.
[12:56] <rowinggolfer> cool
[12:57] <wgrant> rowinggolfer: You need the private part.
[12:57] <wgrant> But that won't help you.
[12:57] <geser> wgrant: does it work for you?
[12:57] <wgrant> You're not an Ubuntu Member.
[12:57] <wgrant> geser: I haven't tried.
[12:57]  * wgrant tries.
[12:58] <rowinggolfer> wgrant: am I not?
[12:58] <geser> wgrant: it doesn't work for me
[12:58] <wgrant> rowinggolfer: Launchpad doesn't think you are...
[12:58] <rowinggolfer> damn.
[12:59] <rowinggolfer> who do I need to sleep with?
[12:59] <wgrant> geser: Works fine for me.
[12:59] <geser> hmm
[13:00] <rowinggolfer> Member since:  2007-07-12
[13:00] <wgrant> rowinggolfer: That's your Launchpad account.
[13:00] <wgrant> Little to do with Ubuntu Membership.
[13:00] <wgrant> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[13:00] <rowinggolfer> understood, thanks
[13:00] <wgrant> geser: What goes wrong when you try?
[13:03] <geser> wgrant: sftp -v geser@people.ubuntu.com shows that it offers the public key but then "Permission denied (publickey)."
[13:03] <geser> wgrant: I wonder if it's the newline in https://edge.launchpad.net/~geser/+sshkeys
[13:04] <geser> but pulling from bzr over bzr+ssh works. it does use the same ssh key stored in LP, right?
[13:05] <wgrant> geser: It does.
[13:05] <wgrant> geser: But LP is not OpenSSH; people.u.c is.
[13:05] <wgrant> And OpenSSH seems picky about this.
[13:06] <geser> wgrant: what does bzr+ssh://... use when I do a bzr pull? doesn't it use OpenSSH??
[13:07] <wgrant> geser: The server is not OpenSSH, no.
[13:07] <wgrant> It's a derivative of Twisted Conch.
[13:07] <geser> oh, I trying fixing the ssh key stored on LP
[13:07] <wgrant> I tested here, and OpenSSH dislikes newlines inside keys.
[13:09] <geser> I guess LP should warn about the newline when adding a SSH key
[13:10] <wgrant> Possibly.
[13:11]  * geser files a bug
[14:50] <IntuitiveNipple> On a PPA build I'm getting some "Depends on xxx but it is not going to be installed". The issue seems to be that the package being build (kdenlive) has a build-depends on libmlt-dev which also has a build-depends on libmlt1. The MLT packages have already been built and are in the PPA archive. I'm not quite sure what the cause or solution is and searching hasn't helped. Anyone know the answer?
[14:51] <bigjools> IntuitiveNipple: have you tried asking in #ubuntu-motu?
[14:52] <IntuitiveNipple> I thought about it but as this seems to be a PPA issue (never had this problem before) I thought it more applicable to launchpad
[14:53] <bigjools> IntuitiveNipple: the PPA builders just rely on apt to install dependencies
[14:55] <IntuitiveNipple> My packages are recently refreshed git/svn snapshots of packages in another PPA. I looked at the build logs for the originals and they don't have the same problem, yet the debian/control files are the same, which is why I thought it was something to do with the buildd getting confused.
[14:55] <IntuitiveNipple> I'll try some more digging
[14:55] <bigjools> that's odd indeed
[14:56] <bigjools> it might be that some other dependencies changed in the meantime
[14:56] <IntuitiveNipple> yeah... I only came here after doing a lot of checking and reading the PPA help pages
[14:56] <IntuitiveNipple> which recommends this channel or email if problems persist :D
[14:56] <bigjools> we aim to please :)
[14:56] <IntuitiveNipple> I can build them successfully locally too, which is even odder
[14:57] <bigjools> with pbuilder?
[14:58] <IntuitiveNipple> yes
[14:59] <IntuitiveNipple> I'll go through the build logs again comparing and see if I missed something
[14:59] <IntuitiveNipple> The main issue seems to be that dependencies of dependencies aren't being added to the installation list
[15:31] <geser> IntuitiveNipple: try adding your PPA and try installing the mentioned package from it (simulate is enough)
[15:34] <geser> "Depends on XXX but it is not going to be installed" happens because of a problem somewhere down the dependency chain (uninstallable package or conflicts) and you need to figure out yourself what's the problem exactly is
[16:57] <mpt> Now that +filebug-advanced is gone, what's the best way of getting around timeouts during duplicate searching?
[16:58] <exarkun> bzr: ERROR: Invalid http response for http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~exarkun/pyopenssl/pkcs12_mod_and_export3/changes: Unable to handle http code 502: Bad Gateway
[16:58] <mpt> Last time I accidentally avoided a timeout by reporting the bug against "blueprint", which I guess has few bug reports
[16:58] <mpt> but I probably shouldn't do that as a habit :-)
[17:05] <exarkun> I tried to log in to report the 502 error
[17:05] <exarkun> And I got an oops
[17:05] <exarkun> OOPS-1329H1775
[17:05] <exarkun> Something going on?  Should I stop trying to use launchpad for a while?
[17:13] <intellectronica> mpt: there isn't, really, and i sense that this is fast becoming a serious problem for bigger projects
[17:13] <intellectronica> gmb: ^^^
[17:15] <gmb> intellectronica: It's not hard to put it back if we need to. OTOH, once I've got this Bugzilla stuff out of the way I can get the async version working properly.
[17:17] <intellectronica> gmb: yeah, i guess it makes sense to wait for this
[17:17] <mdz> I'm seeing several timeouts in a row on edge
[17:17] <mdz> while trying to report a bug
[17:18] <mdz> I see two different queries, one a VaridPersonCache query and the other looks like the full text search for similar bugs
[17:18] <gmb> mdz: One work around is to use a short string for the inital title and then expand it once the dupe search is done.
[17:19] <gmb> mdz: Part of the problem is that hte more complex the title, the harder the FTI search.
[17:19] <gmb> mdz: Though doing that increases the chances of duplicates.
[17:39] <mdz> gmb: it happens even with 'xxx'
[17:39] <gmb> mdz: What are you trying to file the bug on?
[17:39] <mdz> gmb: linux
[17:39]  * gmb tries
[17:40] <gmb> mdz: Can you give me a URL? I can't reproduce it (yet)
[18:04] <mtaylor> merge requests: the workflow of resubmit, request review, add comment all by hand seems a bit excessive... if I'm resubmitting, perhaps an option to add a comment at that point in time and perhaps pre-populate "request review" with the person that reviewed before?
[18:13] <mdz> gmb: bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug/@hash@
[18:14] <mdz> gmb: it's a crash report
[18:14] <mdz> gmb: it's for the kernel, so it has a huge attachment
[18:21] <gmb> mdz: Hmm, I wonder if that's part of the problem. I can't get it to fail on its own.
[18:22]  * gmb tries to think of a workaround
[18:22] <gmb> mdz: Can you give me an OOPS ID?
[18:23] <mdz> gmb: OOPS-1329ED193
[18:24] <mdz> gmb: OOPS-1329ED197
[18:24] <mdz> gmb: bhey, it worked!
[18:25] <gmb> mdz: Did you just keep your finger down on F5? ;)
[18:25] <mdz> gmb: sort of ;-)
[18:25] <gmb> Heh.
[18:25] <gmb> mdz: Okay, let me see if I can find an appropriate bug for this, but it's obviously something we need to solve in pretty short order.
[18:26] <gmb> mdz: I think this is bug 357907
[18:26] <mdz> gmb: the kernel crash reporting is new, so we won't be getting too many, but it would be very valuable to have it working
[18:27] <mdz> gmb: agreed, that looks like it
[18:27] <gmb> mdz: Okay. I'll mark it high and see if we can take a look at it soonish (though deryck's your man to butter up for getting bugs engineers assigned to things now ;))
[18:27]  * gmb wonders how it's stayed un-triaged for so long.
[18:27]  * deryck looks at scrollback
[18:28] <mdz> deryck: pleased to make your acquaintance ;-)
[18:29] <deryck> hi mdz :)
[18:36] <NCommander> Any Soyuz gurus around who can explain http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30644644/upload_1175233_log.txt ?
[18:39]  * bigjools looks
[18:40] <bigjools> NCommander: the package is building a binary version that already existing
[18:40] <bigjools> existed*
[18:42] <NCommander> bigjools, *groan*
[18:42] <bigjools> NCommander: sorry man :)
[18:43] <bigjools> barry: what does class="registry-stat" do?
[18:43] <NCommander> bigjools, I'm kinda curious on how that happened though
[18:43] <bigjools> ECHAN
[18:43] <bigjools> NCommander: *usually* when a binary packages moves between source packages
[18:46] <NCommander> bigjools, its a new package, it just went through NEW
[18:47] <NCommander> bigjools, found the cause: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-mvl-dove/2.6.31.200.1 (how can a package be both superseeded by itself?!)
[18:48] <bigjools> NCommander: I am racking my brains trying to remember why this happens
[18:48] <bigjools> NCommander: ah I see
[18:48] <bigjools> NCommander: it was overridden while building
[18:48] <bigjools> can't do that
[18:48] <NCommander> bigjools, what happened and how do we prevent it from happening again, and how do we fix ti :-)
[18:48] <NCommander> overridden?
[18:49] <bigjools> universe->main
[18:49] <NCommander> *headthunks*
[18:49] <NCommander> Its not supposed to be in main
[18:49] <NCommander> bigjools, can we demote it and then retry?
[18:49] <bigjools> you need to get an archive admin to fix that
[18:49] <bigjools> yeah, then retry the build
[18:50] <bigjools> IIRC
[18:50] <NCommander> bigjools, LP *really* needs to handle that better :-/
[18:51] <bigjools> no dount
[18:51] <bigjools> doubt
[19:00] <NCommander> bigjools, *groan* FTBFS again
[19:00] <NCommander> bigjools, er, Failed to Upload
[19:00] <NCommander> bigjools, duplicated ancestory
[19:00] <NCommander> bigjools, now what?
[19:07] <bigjools> NCommander: ah sorry, brain fart, version bump is the easiest thing to do right now
[19:07] <bigjools> but get the component overrides fixed first
[19:08] <NCommander> bigjools, got it fixed, the source package is set for universe. Once it builds and uploads, I'll get it bumped to main
[19:13] <bigjools> NCommander: ok, sorry for the trouble
[19:36] <fta> i like the new design of the build pages but for my packages, it's too wide: https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archive/ppa/+build/1175114
[19:36] <beuno> fta, interesting
[19:37] <beuno> fta, thanks for the feedback, I'll file a bug about long names breaking things
[19:37] <beuno> fta, I'm guessing that if we shortened them, you wouldn't be too happy, right?
[19:37] <beuno> as in, truncated
[19:38] <fta> right
[19:38] <beuno> even with a tooltip?
[19:39] <beuno> or, truncated them in the middle, like: chromium-browser-4...tu1~ucd1~intrepid
[19:41] <maxb> eww, that would really be not useful
[19:41] <beuno> that's what I thought
[19:41] <beuno> so
[19:41] <beuno> help me out here
[19:41] <beuno> how can we solve this?
[19:41]  * beuno puts on his brainstorm hat and looks at maxb and fta 
[19:43] <maxb> Well, "Files resulting from this build" and "Binary packages produced by this build" have a lot of redundancy between them
[19:43] <maxb> I would opt for combining the two concepts such that the names can use the entire page width
[19:44]  * beuno stares at bigjools
[19:45] <beuno> maxb, one of the reasons they are like that, is because at one point, the one on the left is "building"
[19:59]  * bigjools repels beuno's stare with his batshield
[20:00] <bigjools> the sprites are borked on that page too
[20:00] <beuno> yeah
[20:01] <beuno> bigjools, all you have to do is remove the class="downlaod" from the utl
[20:01] <beuno> er
[20:01] <beuno> ul
[20:01] <beuno> and it's fixed
[20:01] <bigjools> what will that do, exactly?
[20:02] <beuno> bigjools, not have a sprite that spans the whole list
[20:02] <beuno> since it's on the ul, which is multiline
[20:02] <beuno> it exposes all the icons in the sprite
[20:03] <bigjools> ah
[20:03] <bigjools> put it on the <a> instead maybe
[20:03] <beuno> well
[20:04] <beuno> yes
[20:04] <beuno> and drop the img
[20:04] <beuno> will save one http hit  :)
[20:04] <bigjools> I'm all for that
[21:02] <kiko> siretart, is keepassx's bug tracker really SF?
[22:45] <IntuitiveNipple> PPA fails to build a karmic LPIA package because of build-depends failures (on other same-PPA packages) but the i386 and amd64 packages build OK. Where do I start?
[22:48] <LarstiQ> are those other packages built for lpia?
[22:48] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes
[23:22] <wgrant> NCommander: Actually, bigjools was wrong.
[23:22] <wgrant> NCommander: 'Duplicated ancestry' means 'wait for the publisher to run again'
[23:25] <wgrant> NCommander: The problem is that an override creates a new source publishing, with status Pending. But the old one doesn't get marked Superseded until the publisher runs. So if a build finishes after an override but before the publisher, it will see that there are two possibilities for sources that it built from.
[23:26] <wgrant> so it dies.
[23:26] <wgrant> when it should just take the Pending SPPH.