[00:03] <hggdh> darn!
[00:03] <hggdh> I give up. How can I restore bloody GM on 3.0 ffox?
[00:04] <micahg> can;t you jsut reinstall the extension?
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[00:15] <Ampelbein> hggdh: what seems to be the problem with greasemonkey? It works just fine here with FF 3.5
[00:25] <hggdh> Ampelbein, mine is disabled, stating it is not compatible with 3.5.2
[00:26] <hggdh> I am almost to the point where it is worth the pain to just rm -rf the ffox profile, and start new
[00:26] <micahg> what version is your extension?
[00:26] <Ampelbein> hggdh: strange. what version of greasemonkey do you have, it works here with 0.8.20090123.1-0ubuntu2
[00:26] <micahg> hggdh you can test with a new profile firefox-3.5 -ProfileManager
[00:29] <hggdh> yay, that's mine
[00:32] <hggdh> heh. It is back
[00:32] <hggdh> (on 3.0)
[00:39] <hggdh> well. Go figure. Nothing like a selective cleanup of the profile...
[01:43] <komputes> chrisccoulson: Bug #390304 is actually pretty big...
[01:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 390304 in devicekit-disks "external usb disk drives are mounted under their UUID's" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/390304
[01:43] <chrisccoulson> why?
[01:44] <chrisccoulson> using UUID's as the mount point is intended, and is not considered a bug
[01:55] <komputes> chrisccoulson: "using UUID's as the mount point is intended"  -where do you get this from?
[02:00] <chrisccoulson> from the source code of devicekit-disks?
[02:00] <komputes> chrisccoulson: yes, but it creates a regression as compared to previous releases
[02:00] <chrisccoulson> the design intent is to use UUID's as a fallback if the volume has no label
[02:00] <chrisccoulson> so if you don't want UUID's, set a label on your volume
[02:01] <komputes> chrisccoulson: the fact that the design of devicekit makes it that way is a side effect of moving to devicekit, users should not have to set labels on disks
[02:01] <chrisccoulson> i don't see what the issue is here. UUID's and labels are persistent. "disk-1", "disk-2" etc are not persistent, and depend on the order in which you inser the volume
[02:01] <chrisccoulson> thats more confusin
[02:01] <chrisccoulson> g
[02:02] <chrisccoulson> and there are still human readable names in computer:///, which is how most people will access their media
[02:02] <komputes> chrisccoulson: plus many of our documentation makes reference to out use of mountpoints such as /media/disk, disk-1, disk-2
[02:02] <chrisccoulson> well, the documentation should be fixed then
[02:03] <komputes> chrisccoulson: please place a comment concerning consistency in the bug - i see where you're coming from now
[02:03] <chrisccoulson> komputes - i will do. i was going to write a comment when i set the importance earlier, but i did it from my phone and i had coverage problems when i tried to do it
[02:03] <chrisccoulson> but i'm going to bed now, so i'll do it in the morning
[02:03] <komputes> k, np
[02:04] <komputes> i'll put a note in then
[02:04] <komputes> chrisccoulson: night'
[02:04] <chrisccoulson> i'm not saying it's not a bug though - perhaps the behaviour will be changed
[02:04] <chrisccoulson> but i don't think it's a high priority issue right now
[02:04] <chrisccoulson> and it's the intended behaviour "for now" ;)
[02:04] <komputes> but you do make a good point about persistence, i just wanted to avoid alienating users
[02:05] <komputes> chrisccoulson: medium importance?
[02:05] <chrisccoulson> personally, i don't have much preference either way. but i do slightly prefer the persistence
[02:05] <chrisccoulson> komputes - i think the importance is ok where it is for now
[02:05] <chrisccoulson> anyway, i've got to go to bed - i'm up again in 4 hours ;)
[02:06] <komputes> advanced users would prefer persistence, new users, easy names
[02:06] <komputes> k 'night
[02:06] <chrisccoulson> possibly, but new users get easy names in computer:///
[02:06] <komputes> path
[02:06] <komputes> easy name in the path
[02:06] <chrisccoulson> i hope new users don't think they have to navigate to /media to find their volumes
[02:06] <chrisccoulson> yeah
[02:06] <komputes> no, but they may need to point some programs to it that way
[02:07] <komputes> we both have strong points, i'll update the bug
[02:07] <chrisccoulson> komputes - you're possibly right about pointing some programs to it using the path - but most applications on the default install should be using GIO anyway
[02:08] <komputes> i agree
[02:08] <komputes> but not all do
[02:08] <chrisccoulson> so the media is accessible in computer:/// by its pretty name ;)
[02:08] <komputes> computer:/// is a gnome thing
[02:08] <komputes> let's not assume
[02:09] <komputes> Plus, haven't checked but this may affect server, so without auto-complete it makes the job of typing in a path impossible..
[02:10] <chrisccoulson> komputes - there is nothing to do automounting on the server
[02:11] <komputes> ok
[02:11] <chrisccoulson> the automounting is initiated in nautilus via gvfs in gnome
[02:11] <komputes> chrisccoulson: what does device kit replace in karmic? HAL/UDEV?
[02:12] <chrisccoulson> well, there is no such thing as devicekit now - applications now use udev directly (using libudev)
[02:13] <chrisccoulson> devicekit-disks is to replace the disk handling part of HAL
[02:13] <chrisccoulson> and devicekit-power replaces some power management parts of HAL
[02:13] <komputes> ok, thanks for clarifying
[02:13] <chrisccoulson> and applications that previously used HAL for discovering devices and properties about those devices now probe udev directly
[02:14] <chrisccoulson> "devicekit" was just a temporary daemon acting as a wrapper around udev to allow user applications to access it
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[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[07:11] <thekorn> good morning dholbach
[07:13] <dholbach> hey thekorn
[08:57] <theaaronc> Hello all. Question, would the BugSquad be an ok place for someone who is somewhat competent with Ubuntu but has never done anything within the community?
[09:01] <theaaronc> While I've used Ubuntu as a second partition on my machine for some time I only recently dropped windows all together. I'm looking for some way I can contribute, and the Ubuntu community page lead me to (among other things) the BugSquad info
[09:03] <theaaronc> it sounds like something that requires minimal knowledge and beyond operating the local desktop/server environment I fall into that catagory
[09:22] <theaaronc> guess I should have just read more. This line seems to answer my question "Bug triage is an excellent way to start helping out. You get to learn a lot about Ubuntu, its available packages, its infrastructure, and you get a feel for the development pulse."
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[13:43] <mac_v>  could someone have a look at this Bug #416084  , this always happens to me ... do i have to add any additional info?
[13:43] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 416084 in thunderbird "thunderbird-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_main_do_event()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/416084
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[14:25] <thekorn> mac_v, are you using the default theme?
[14:26] <mac_v> hmm. no
[14:26] <mac_v> i'm using silvermel ,
[14:27] <mac_v> theaaronc: silvermelXT , but i'v been having this problem always  :( only now it took the time to report it
[14:27] <thekorn> mac_v, can you reproduce this bug with the default theme
[14:27] <mac_v> hmm... let me check again
[14:28] <thekorn> I remeber a bug where somethng like this happend for some custom themes
[14:29] <thekorn> I think it was bug 135191
[14:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 135191 in mozilla-thunderbird "[GUTSY] thunderbird crashed x86-64" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135191
[14:31] <mac_v> thekorn: i think you are right ! its not crashing with the default theme! so where should this be reported
[14:32] <thekorn> mac_v, is the theme you are using in an official package?
[14:33] <thekorn> in this case you should report it against this package
[14:33] <mac_v> silly quest,  are there official themes  , i never knew... let me check
[14:34] <thekorn> what's the name of the theme?
[14:34] <mac_v> theaaronc:  silvermel is a thunderbird theme , not a gtk theme , that bug talks about a gtk theme
[14:35] <mac_v> oops , thekorn ^
[14:35] <thekorn> oh
[14:36] <mac_v> i'll try it with another different theme and see , i have been using silvermel for a very long time
[14:36] <thekorn> mac_v, In this case I think you should contact the author of this theme, report your bug there,
[14:36] <thekorn> and mark it as invalid for thunderbird
[14:37] <thekorn> but maybe double check with the people in #ubuntu-mozilla
[14:37] <pedro_> mac_v, just wondering, why did you tagged the bug as usability ?
[14:37] <mac_v> yeah , if it doesnt happen to any other theme , i'll mark it invalid , or if it happens with all themes , i'll leave it as such :)
[14:38] <thekorn> (or whatever this channel for the mozilla team is called)
[14:38] <mac_v> pedro_: it affects me using thunderbird ;p , i have not been able to use it when the setting was set to 1 min
[14:38] <thekorn> hey pedro_
[14:38] <pedro_> hello thekorn, how's going?
[14:39] <mac_v> pedro_: was that a wrong tag?
[14:39] <pedro_> mac_v, well in that case every single crash would be an usability issue :-P
[14:39] <mac_v> lol , true , i'll remove it :)
[14:40] <thekorn> pedro_, very good, how about you?
[14:41] <scream> CAn someone check https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/416952
[14:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 416952 in ubuntu "Package not in repo" [Undecided,New]
[14:41] <pedro_> mac_v, no worries, thanks!
[14:42] <thekorn> scream, this is not a bug we can care about, you are using a third party repository for thunderbird
[14:42] <pedro_> thekorn, nice to know!. I'm good too ;-)
[14:42] <scream> I am?
[14:42]  * scream checks
[14:43] <scream> I have no third part repo's enabled.
[14:44] <thekorn> scream, ehmm, maybe not, but you are using a mirror, so maybe it is out of sync or such
[14:44] <thekorn> or just not available
[14:44] <thekorn> best is to check with whoever runs this mirror
[15:10] <scream> I actually just changed to the "main server" in the settings.
[15:10] <scream> I don't have time for mirrors who get out of sync.
[15:16] <mac_v> pedro_: thekorn i cant reproduce the problem with any other theme! so i guess i'll invalidate it and send an email to the dev :)
[15:17] <mac_v> thekorn: thanx for pointing it out  :) , this bugged me for god knows how long!
[15:46] <thekorn> mac_v, no problem, remember setting the status of the bug to invalid ;)
[15:47] <thekorn> and maybe add a comment which explains that this seems to be related to the theme
[15:47] <thekorn> for future references
[15:48] <mac_v> thekorn: will do , just have to restart for updates now  ;)
[15:49] <thekorn> super
[16:01] <jjardon> hello, Can someone confirm this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/416988
[16:01] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 416988 in network-manager "NetworkManager doesn't depend on hal" [Undecided,New]
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[16:11] <thekorn> jjardon, sorry, but what exactly is the bug here?
[16:12] <thekorn> jjardon, ah, I think I got it now, the ubuntu package is still depending on hal, although it shouldn't
[16:12] <jjardon> thekorn, network-manager package is packaged with hal dependecy, and this is not necesary
[16:13] <jjardon> thekorn, correct ;)
[16:13] <dholbach> asac: ^ :)
[16:15]  * thekorn was about to do the same trick than dholbach 
[16:16] <thekorn> ask someone who should have a answer to this ;)
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[16:25] <asac> yeah... thats our ace ;)
[16:25] <asac> assigning to tony
[16:26] <asac> ok done
[16:26] <asac> jjardon: thekorn: dholbach: ^^
[16:26] <jjardon> great :)
[16:26] <asac> launchpad timeout :(
[16:26] <thekorn> super, thanks asac
[16:27] <goneri> Hi, how can I close this bug #347729 I did the patch and it's been accepted but I can close the bug. Should I use the "bts" command?
[16:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 347729 in bzr-fastimport "git-bzr doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/347729
[16:27] <goneri> s/can/can't/ upse
[16:28] <jjardon> asac, only xorg-core and checkbox depends on hal rigth now :) (checkbox bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox/+bug/399319)
[16:28] <goneri> I can't find a documentation about that. Just this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl but
[16:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 399319 in checkbox "Remove the HAL dependency from Launchpad HWDB and checkbox " [Medium,Triaged]
[16:29] <asac> yes
[16:29] <asac> jjardon: are you sure we still build depend on it in karmic?
[16:29] <asac> yeah seems so
[16:29] <asac> ok
[16:40] <hessam> where can i find ubuntu security bugs ?
[16:41] <jdstrand> hessam: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/BugTriage#Existing%20Bugs
[16:42] <hessam> jdstrand, thanks
[16:49] <greg-g> pedro_: I guess [$distroname] in the summary is no longer needed/suggested?
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[16:54] <pedro_> greg-g, i don't recall that was it ever suggested, but it's redundant if you use apport-bug since that information is available on the description
[16:56] <pedro_> greg-g, and it's better to update the description rather than the title if the bug affects more than one release, I've seen weird titles with [hardy..... karmic] or [karmic<->something] etc
[16:56] <greg-g> pedro_: right right. I guess it was always one of those things where I see other people doing it and joined in the fun :)
[16:56] <greg-g> heh, yeah
[16:57] <pedro_> remember: a kitten die if you do it :-P
[16:57] <pedro_> hggdh, how many kittens left do we have?
[16:57] <pedro_> :-P
[17:01] <hggdh> pedro_, I would guess we may be running out of them soon if we do not act ;-)
[17:02] <pedro_> lol
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[21:58] <mac_v> pedro_: hi, could you take a look at this > https://bugs.launchpad.net/nautilus/+bug/416251/comments/5 , i'v attached a screencast of the problem
[21:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 416251 in nautilus "Nautilus does not show Desktop thumbnails" [Low,Triaged]
[21:58] <pedro_> mac_v, will do
[21:58] <mac_v> thanx
[22:02] <pedro_> mac_v, eek weird, is the file listed if you do: gvfs-ls from a terminal ?
[22:02] <mac_v> hmm.... will check
[22:03] <pedro_> there was something similar when we migrated to gvfs
[22:04] <mac_v> pedro_: yup the file gets listed , but is only not shown
[22:04] <pedro_> mac_v, ok thanks
[22:05] <mac_v> i'll add that to the upstream comment
[22:29] <BUGabundo> hey fellows