[00:18] <pincy> hi
[00:19] <pincy> i want to get a hidden psk-secured wlan working, but with the network manager, my system crashes
[00:58] <meglo> Xubuntu just looks like Ubuntu without metacity, nautilus, and the panels. Looks like it has all the gnome libs and configuration utilities.
[00:58] <meglo> How much ram am I looking at saving?
[00:58] <meglo> the disk footprint is nice
[01:00] <meglo> Virtualbox is hungry
[01:02] <meglo> Mmmmmm, the next LTS probably wont have Xfce 4.8
[01:03] <meglo> Planned release for xfce 4.8 is 2010-04-12
[03:00] <kholby> Good evening everyone.  I'm having some trouble with a few things running xubuntu on an older PC.  Hold for specs...
[03:02] <kholby> Running kernel 2.6.28.15 with 180MB of memory (thought it had more, may be bad), can't get DVD playback or flash movies to work correctly.
[03:04] <kholby> anyone?
[03:24] <Laserbeak431> hello
[03:25] <Laserbeak431> i want to download the JDK, but the only two downloads are a .bin and a .rpm
[03:25] <Laserbeak431> which do i choose?
[03:25] <Laserbeak431> how do i useeither?
[03:25] <Laserbeak431> use either*
[03:29] <Laserbeak431> hmm maybe #ubuntu is more active
[04:45] <FloridaGuy> hardware drivers is telling my there is no proprietary drivers are in use on this system..its not listing them so i can install them
[04:46] <maduser> what drivers do you have?
[04:47] <FloridaGuy> i have nvidia gforce6...the drivers show up in package manager  but not in the gui where you activate them
[04:49] <maduser> install them through the package manager
[04:49] <FloridaGuy> k
[04:58] <FloridaGuy> been useing ubuntu installed xubuntu to try a lighter desktop for vbox..how much lighter is xubuntu
[05:00] <maduser> the only difference between the two is that xubuntu has xfce instead of Gnome
[05:00] <FloridaGuy> i know that....but is xfce any lighter
[05:01] <maduser> sort of
[05:02] <FloridaGuy> k
[05:02] <maduser> it uses less ram and space but its still a Desktop Environment
[05:02] <FloridaGuy> thats what i was wanting..something that uses less ram...sence im runing xp in vbox
[05:04] <FloridaGuy> the printer drivers in linux suck....my printer prints better photos in windows
[05:05] <FloridaGuy> reboot and see if nvidia works
[09:15] <benchik> hello
[09:15] <benchik> what's the latest xubuntu 8.04 kernel?
[10:03] <_Pete_> benchik: 2.6.24-24
[10:03] <benchik> how do i reinstall this kernel in xubuntu? what's the package name?
[10:04] <_Pete_> why do you need to reinstall it?
[10:04] <benchik> i think i accidently installed linux-image-generic package. i need
[10:05] <benchik> another one right?
[10:05] <TheSheep> no
[10:05] <TheSheep> !info linux-image-generic
[10:06] <benchik> i have installed: linux-image-generic , linux-image-2.6.24-24-386 , linux-image-2.6.24-24-generic. do i need all of them?
[10:07] <TheSheep> no
[10:07] <TheSheep> type uname -a to see which you are using atm
[10:07] <benchik> i suspect that when installing virtualbox kernel modules, something got messed up in my kernels. when i go back to kernel 23 gstreamer works fine and also skype. which both fail under 24
[10:07] <benchik> Linux xubuntu 2.6.24-24-386 #1 Tue Aug 18 16:24:26 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:08] <TheSheep> ok, then you can remove the two -generic packages
[10:08] <benchik> from the above kernel models is any of the 3 an extra which i don't need?
[10:08] <benchik> ok
[10:08] <TheSheep> but I'd use the -generic one, and not the -386 if I were you
[10:10] <benchik> TheSheep: from the kernels i have installed (in history the old ones are kept), i had before 24 also generic ones and not 386 ones and they worked fine. so maybe i should keep only linux-image-2.6.24-24-generic ?
[10:10] <TheSheep> if you want to do that, you have to first reboot to the -generic one
[10:11] <TheSheep> because you shouldn't remove the kernel you are running :)
[10:11] <TheSheep> it's like sawing off the branch on which you sit
[10:11] <benchik> should i in synaptic: mark for complete removal or just remove?
[10:12] <benchik> TheSheep: do i get in grub both generic and 386 choices?
[10:13] <TheSheep> yes
[10:14] <benchik> will try. brb
[10:17] <benchik> TheSheep: in generic now. everything works great. who asked to install 386 kernel anyway?!
[10:18] <benchik> TheSheep: now, in synaptic can i mark for complete removal or i need some of the dependencies and should mark only for removal?
[10:21] <benchik> TheSheep: please one sec of attention, sir :)
[10:21] <nikolam> Bah, is there some GUI that allows me to search content of text files and see in what files results are found?
[10:23] <TheSheep> benchik: doesn't matter, you can even leave it around
[10:24] <benchik> TheSheep: ok thanks
[12:51] <jiohdi> how do I get a ooffice xcel like file to open from a launcher?
[12:51] <jiohdi> I get permission denied
[12:52] <jiohdi> I specifically get :Failed to execute child process "/home/jiohdi/finances/finances.xls" (Permission denied).
[12:54] <jiohdi> anyone here?
[12:58] <jdb> jiohdi: why do you want to execute an xls file?
[12:59] <jiohdi> I update a spread sheet often
[12:59] <jiohdi> so I want to just be able to click on it to open it
[13:00] <jiohdi> I can do it in gnome... but in xfce4 it tells me permission denied
[13:01] <jiohdi> is there a way to put a link to the file on the desktop?
[13:01] <jiohdi> I am new to xfce
[13:02] <ablomen> jiohdi, edit the launcher and put oocalc before the path
[13:02] <jiohdi> I found how to send a link to the desktop
[13:03] <jiohdi> ok, in the launcher... do you keep the ' ' around the path?
[13:03] <ablomen> doesnt matter in this case
[13:04] <jiohdi> thanks ablomen, yous is a genius :)
[13:04] <ablomen> hehe your welcome
[13:04] <jiohdi> worked better than a charm, they dont work for $#!+
[13:05] <jiohdi> ablomen, is there anything besides eyecandy that cannot be done in xfce?
[13:06] <ablomen> well eyecandy is possible, afaik compiz works with xfce (and there is real transparancy in xfwm too btw)
[13:07] <jiohdi> so why would anyone use gnome over xfce?
[13:08] <jiohdi> is there a way to change the panel colors?
[13:08] <ablomen> yeah.. change your theme
[13:09] <ablomen> not induvidialy per panel
[13:09] <ablomen> or at least, not that i know of
[13:14] <jiohdi> thanks again... once I get the feel of where things are they are very similar to gnome
[13:23] <vinnl> Hmm... Would upgrading my system with slightly less than 1GB of free space be wise?
[13:24] <hezy> vinnl: upgrading to what?
[13:24] <knome> it should be barely possible.
[13:24] <vinnl> Upgrading to 9.04, sorry
[13:24] <vinnl> OK, I guess I'll see if I can delete anything to be sure
[13:25] <hezy> I used it with 512 MB, and there was no problem
[13:25] <hezy> the only app that was problematic is firefox
[13:25] <knome> hezy, it's not about ram
[13:25] <knome> hezy, it's about free disk space
[13:25] <vinnl> Nope, it's actual hard drive space :P
[13:25] <hezy> sorry, my mistake...
[13:25]  * vinnl blushes
[13:26] <vinnl> But I've decided to buy an external hard drive soon, that should solve some problems ;-)
[13:26] <knome> vinnl, ? :P
[13:26] <knome> vinnl, remove all the... nature documentaries
[13:26] <vinnl> xD
[13:26] <hezy> 1GP disk space sounds too little
[13:26] <knome> you should be fine in upgrading after that
[13:26] <vinnl> Actually, it's only 1GB outside that /home directory
[13:26] <vinnl> So it's all applications and stuff filling it up
[13:27] <knome> have to go now
[13:27] <knome> see you later dudes
[13:27] <vinnl> In my defense, that partition is only 9.32GB large
[13:27] <vinnl> Bye
[13:48] <premorphos_> hi. how do i move and extract a tar file in to a root catalouge
[13:49] <vinnl> premorphos_, not sure what a root catalogue is, but you can extract it by right-clicking and selecting "Extract here..." or "Extract to..."
[13:49] <Cristi1> hey
[13:49] <vinnl> Hi Cristi1
[13:49] <Cristi1> heywhat are xubuntu minimum hardware req?
[13:50] <vinnl> Cristi1, see xubuntu.org/get#requirements
[13:54] <premorphos_> you see that dint work.. got permission denied
[13:55] <premorphos_> was thinking to do it true terminal, with sudo
[13:56] <vinnl> premorphos_, what file is it and where is it located?
[13:58] <premorphos_> i got it on desktop.. and it is flash install.tar.gz  im trying to setup flash for opera.
[13:58] <vinnl> premorphos_, why don't you install Flash using Add/Remove...?
[14:00] <premorphos_> did it true synaptic and it dint work in opera... do you think it will do any difference if i do it in add/remove
[14:01] <vinnl> No Synaptic should work just as well
[14:01] <vinnl> !opera
[14:01] <vinnl> premorphos_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser#Flash%20problems
[14:02] <premorphos_> tnx man... dint know you could ask ubottu
[14:02] <vinnl> Everybody loves ubottu  :)
[14:26] <vinnl> Can I see on packages.ubuntu.com which packages depend on a given package?
[14:27] <vinnl> Or else: could someone on 9.04 check for me which packages depend on kdebase-runtime?
[14:27] <vinnl> Or perhaps compiz-kde?
[14:38] <majuk> vinni: apt-cache depends
[14:38] <majuk> vinni: apt-cache depends $PACKAGENAME
[14:39] <vinnl> Yeah except I'm not on 9.04 :(
[18:11] <wweasel> Hello, I've created an xubuntu chroot environment which I am using to launch X apps.  I chose not to install xubuntu-desktop, since it contained many packages I didn't want. Instead I installed xfce4-session and all its dependencies, plus a few other selected packages. My problem is this: it seems XFCE is not displaying a theme.  Apps are ugly, thunar doesn't display folder icons, etc. What package do I need?
[18:11] <vinnl> wweasel, wouldn't you rather install the xfce4 package?
[18:12] <wweasel> aha, probably :)
[18:13] <wweasel> hrm, except that I really probably don't need all the xserver packages that it depends on, no?
[18:14] <vinnl> Really not sure, would expect you to need it but if it works without it now...
[18:17] <wweasel> Well, I'm just guessing here, but I think it's taken care of by my main system. I am running X apps in a Xephyr display on my main Ubuntu system.
[18:17] <wweasel> I just can't seem to figure out which package has the xfce4 theme in it
[18:18] <wweasel> I can launch apps right now, but they don't have themed menus, scroll bar, icons, etc.
[18:18] <wweasel> It works, it's just not very easy on the eyes :P
[18:18] <vinnl> Well, it's just a GTK theme so you should be able to set it with the GNOME app as well, I suppose you'd need something like xfce4-settings to configure it
[18:18] <vinnl> ...with the Xfce application
[18:20] <wweasel> Good idea.
[18:21] <wweasel> The xfce4 package is actually just a metapackage, like xubuntu-desktop.  I think I just need to find the right combination of packages, since I'm trying to avoid unnecessary ones.
[18:22] <vinnl> Yeah, well, the xfce4 package *should* give you the minimal packages needed to run a full Xfce environment, so without Office apps and the like that you'd get with xubuntu-desktop
[18:24] <wweasel> Yes, it does. But because I'm running XFCE in a chroot environment, I think it still has a bit of fluff I can do without. I don't know all the various components of XFCE well enough to know precisely which ones I need and which I don't (I use Gnome most of the time, and probably don't even know Gnome well enough for that).
[18:25] <wweasel> Right now I'm going ahead with your suggestion, and selecting all the packages that "xfce4" depends on except for the xserver-*** ones
[18:25] <vinnl> I suppose you'd need the actual Xfce components (that start with xfce- and xf- and the likes), wouldn't know about xserver and stuff
[18:26] <wweasel> Yep. Unfortunately I have them now, and it's still not displaying a theme :/
[18:26] <wweasel> I can even see the themes are installed (I launched xfce4-settings-manager as you suggested)
[18:26] <vinnl> Hmm, selecting a theme doesn't make a difference?
[18:27] <wweasel> Nope! It has the usual long list of themes and 2 icon themes, but no matter which I choose, none work
[18:29] <wweasel> I'm assuming it's lacking a component which allows it to display the themes.
[18:30] <vinnl> I think there's something wrong with GTK that it's not applying the themes
[18:30] <vinnl> Which might be the lack of an X server :P
[18:31] <wweasel> Possibly :P
[18:31] <wweasel> Window Manager themes work
[18:31] <vinnl> But I gots to go, good luck :)
[18:31] <vinnl> Of course, that's xfwm4 :)
[18:46] <JarlG> Hello! I installed ubuntu, then installed xfce and removed GNOME, is my installation now the same as a clean xubuntu installation?
[18:46] <JarlG> What would the differences be?
[18:47] <JarlG> Also, the update manager lists GNOME-things, should I update my sources list to one of xubuntu, perhaps? Thanks!
[20:13] <Algyz> My weather panel plugin is not updating, what can be wrong?