| === mhall1191 is now known as mhall119 | ||
| dgroos | I can't add computers in iTALC on my thin client network. | 01:24 |
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| dgroos | nor are there any computers in the auto-detect group though 2 users are logged into thin clients. | 01:25 |
| dgroos | I've used this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc to no effect though it's for Hardy, I know. | 01:26 |
| dgroos | This page seems to provide even older info: http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=ITALC_in_a_ThinClient_environment | 01:27 |
| dgroos | I've spent many hours on this to no avail--any help I'd greatly appreciate. | 01:28 |
| LaserJock | hola Edubunteros | 07:13 |
| === alkisg1 is now known as alkisg | ||
| LaserJock | stgraber, highvoltage: around? | 13:14 |
| === mhall1191 is now known as mhall119 | ||
| davidgroos | Good morning/afternoon alkisg: would you expound further on your lockdown method for firefox? | 14:47 |
| alkisg | davidgroos: hi, did you try it and got stuck somewhere? Or should I start from the beginning? | 14:48 |
| davidgroos | well... :) | 14:48 |
| alkisg | OK. You're using jaunty, right? | 14:49 |
| LaserJock | hi guys | 14:49 |
| davidgroos | I tried it, didn't work, did a good bit of googling, now my google search doesn't work on the firefox running as a localapp :) | 14:49 |
| davidgroos | Yes Jaunty | 14:49 |
| davidgroos | good morn LaserJock | 14:50 |
| alkisg | Hi LaserJock! Could you please answer a quick question? I'd like to make a cd similar to the edubuntu add-on CD and put some proprietary greek edu apps in it. I already have them in an apt repository, but I can't find any tools that would help me create a cd from the repo... | 14:50 |
| alkisg | E.g. there's an "appinstall" folder there for gnome-app-install, but I can't find *any* docs for it | 14:51 |
| LaserJock | alkisg: hmm, the easiest way might be to use AptOnCD | 14:51 |
| LaserJock | oh, you're wanting to do the same installer thing? | 14:51 |
| alkisg | Yup | 14:51 |
| alkisg | I'd like it to be as easy for the end user as possible. So I wouldn't want them to install aptoncd to access the contents... | 14:52 |
| LaserJock | hmm, there's a certain flag that gets passed to gnome-app-install | 14:52 |
| LaserJock | but I don't really know how that's detected in our CD | 14:52 |
| alkisg | By trial and error I've seen that if I have an "ubuntu" soft link in the cd, then gnome-app-install is launched | 14:52 |
| LaserJock | the best person to ask is mvo in #ubuntu-devel, he's the guy that wrote gnome-app-install and the one that added that feature | 14:52 |
| alkisg | But official docs? None whatsoever :( | 14:52 |
| LaserJock | no, no docs | 14:53 |
| LaserJock | code == docs in this case | 14:53 |
| alkisg | Thanks! That's what I was looking for :) | 14:53 |
| alkisg | Thanks man | 14:53 |
| LaserJock | gnome-app-install is supposed to get replaced at some point in the future | 14:53 |
| LaserJock | but I hope it's replacement would have a similar feature | 14:53 |
| alkisg | davidgroos: I don't know about localapps, the locking method works fine for standalone PCs though. It also works in LTSP without localapps. | 14:54 |
| davidgroos | in the chroot (/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/firefox-3.5) there is nothing in the firefox pref file. In the regular root the pref has a few things-- | 14:54 |
| alkisg | So I can help you do it outside the chroot, and then you could try to do it inside the chroot yourself. | 14:55 |
| davidgroos | OK can you help with stand alone and I can probably get it from there... | 14:55 |
| alkisg | OK. | 14:55 |
| davidgroos | 'great minds...' ;) | 14:55 |
| alkisg | 1) echo 'lockPref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://students.sch.gr");' | sudo tee /etc/firefox-3.0/pref/user.js | 14:56 |
| davidgroos | I made a user.js file | 14:56 |
| alkisg | 2) That's it. | 14:56 |
| alkisg | :D | 14:56 |
| alkisg | Your start page should be locked after that. Restart firefox to check it out. | 14:57 |
| davidgroos | and used same permissions 644 as the firefox.js file... | 14:57 |
| davidgroos | now, I cleared out what I had put in there yesterday... | 14:58 |
| highvoltage | hi LaserJock | 14:58 |
| davidgroos | so will re-type what you put above... | 14:58 |
| alkisg | Copy/paste it | 14:58 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: hey! | 14:59 |
| davidgroos | YES! | 14:59 |
| alkisg | Heh :) The home page setting should even by grayed out, completely disabled in the preferences dialog.. | 14:59 |
| alkisg | davidgroos: I have a template user.js with all the firefox settings, but with greek comments. If you want I can updload it to pastebin and you can get it through google translate for the comments to be translated in english. | 15:00 |
| davidgroos | Awesome! Thanks! :) | 15:00 |
| alkisg | davidgroos: http://pastebin.ubuntu-gr.org/m318e29f6 | 15:02 |
| alkisg | They're all commented out initially, so you just uncomment/edit the ones you want. | 15:02 |
| davidgroos | Cool, I'm signing out of this irc client and will re-enter as ... dgroos (so I can copy-paste!) | 15:03 |
| alkisg | ok | 15:03 |
| dgroos1 | hmmm... it copied all of the line numbers--will those get in the way? | 15:06 |
| alkisg | Yes. Better click here to download it as plain text: http://pastebin.ubuntu-gr.org/pastebin.php?dl=m318e29f6 | 15:07 |
| dgroos1 | hmmm... seems to be empty? | 15:11 |
| alkisg | It shouldn't be, it's ok for me. Anyway, just copy it from the previous url, but not with the line numbers. Use the box at the end of the page, this doesn't have line numbers. | 15:13 |
| dgroos1 | cool | 15:13 |
| dgroos1 | ok, copied it into the user.js file, noticed that you had uncommented the one line: lockPref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://students.sch.gr"); and I opened firefox-should I have logged out/in? | 15:21 |
| alkisg | No, but I think you have to close firefox for the changes to take effect. | 15:21 |
| dgroos1 | I'll try again! | 15:22 |
| === calimer- is now known as calimer | ||
| dgroos1 | hmmm... I'll delete the user.js file, would you type in that command you gave at first to create the file? I closed the irc client that had it. | 15:25 |
| alkisg | (04:56:40 μμ) alkisg: 1) echo 'lockPref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://students.sch.gr");' | sudo tee /etc/firefox-3.0/pref/user.js | 15:25 |
| dgroos1 | thanks--first, why is there now a user.js and user.js~ file? | 15:26 |
| alkisg | gedit made a backup when you saved it | 15:26 |
| dgroos1 | user.js~ is the backup? | 15:26 |
| alkisg | yes | 15:26 |
| dgroos1 | OK--works like in a charm in 3.0 however it doesn't work in 3.5. | 15:34 |
| alkisg | You have 3.5 in jaunty? | 15:36 |
| dgroos1 | yes, I figured I go with the newer firefox | 15:36 |
| alkisg | OK but you should put user.js in /etc/firefox.3.5 then | 15:37 |
| * alkisg wonders how dgroos1 installed firefox 3.5... | 15:37 | |
| dgroos1 | I put it both in firefox-3.0 (as per your command) and in firefox-3.5 (by altering your script) | 15:38 |
| dgroos1 | oh you-know, I waved my hand over the computer and it installed itself ;) | 15:38 |
| dgroos1 | actually, there are blogs on the internet on how to do it and I did it but in the process of making it work as a localapp the guy whose helping install the server jimrockford, uninstalled and reinstalled it a few times to make it work. | 15:40 |
| dgroos1 | and in the meantime I've forgotten--too much water over the dam... | 15:40 |
| alkisg | Yes I asked because there are lots of blogs out there that advice people to add the mozilla daily ppa to their sources. That's a really bad way to install firefox. Anyway. | 15:40 |
| dgroos1 | ... or terminal commands passing through my brain :) | 15:41 |
| dgroos1 | Yes, did the daily thing and it was problematic. since then it is in jaunty restricted, I believe. | 15:41 |
| dgroos1 | as of 1 week ago, I believe. | 15:42 |
| dgroos1 | Is there a problem with that? | 15:42 |
| alkisg | I don't know. | 15:44 |
| alkisg | I tried with karmic 3.5, and it worked by putting user.js in /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/defaults/preferences/ | 15:44 |
| alkisg | *I mean firefox 3.5 in Karmic | 15:45 |
| dgroos1 | I'll try to put it there! so I just alter the command to make user.js install there? | 15:46 |
| alkisg | Yes | 15:49 |
| dgroos1 | strange! I've only got /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.13/ and /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.3pre/ | 15:53 |
| alkisg | OK, put it in 3.5.3pre | 15:53 |
| dgroos1 | this is strange because I'm running 3.5.1 on the server, and 3.5.2 on the localapp | 15:54 |
| alkisg | dpkg -l 'firefox*' tells you the version you're running | 15:54 |
| dgroos1 | seems like it is left over from installing from the ppa. Can I delete it and it will re-create the proper one? | 15:55 |
| alkisg | I don't know. | 15:55 |
| dgroos1 | ok i'll try | 15:55 |
| dgroos1 | I meant, I'll try the dpkg -l 'firefox*' | 15:59 |
| dgroos1 | so I did and got this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/257567/ seems like a bunch of stuff | 15:59 |
| alkisg | So you have firefox 3.0.13 and firefox 3.5.3. | 16:00 |
| dgroos1 | Yes and 3.5.2 running as a local app (according to the 'about mozilla firefox in the help menu--though it calls it Shiretoko) | 16:02 |
| alkisg | ...because you said "(05:53:36 μμ) dgroos1: strange! I've only got /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.13/ and /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.3pre/" | 16:03 |
| alkisg | You have these folders because that's the firefox version you have. | 16:03 |
| dgroos1 | Shiretoko is the one that is in restricted, I believe. | 16:04 |
| dgroos1 | they call it Shiretoko because they have firefox 3.0 as the official jaunty firefox and don't want to confuse brands... | 16:05 |
| dgroos1 | but, I'm confused. | 16:05 |
| dgroos1 | is there a pastebin for images? | 16:09 |
| alkisg | imageshack? | 16:11 |
| dgroos1 | arg... can't...upload...screenshot...anywhere | 16:27 |
| dgroos1 | I'm rebooting client, I'll be back | 16:29 |
| dgroos | alkisg: nothing like a good reboot. Here are links showing the 'about' screens, do they not give accurate info?: http://yfrog.com/0kscreenshotaboutshiretokp and http://yfrog.com/2iscreenshotaboutmozillafp | 16:39 |
| alkisg | dgroos: that's the local app firefox. dpkg -l 'firefox*' showed you the server firefox. | 16:40 |
| alkisg | The second screenshot though says 3.5.1, and you don't have 3.5.1 (according to dpkg -l). | 16:41 |
| alkisg | dgroos: did you try to put it in /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.3pre ? | 16:42 |
| dgroos | no--got sidetracked, will do now. | 16:44 |
| dgroos | Works! :) | 16:54 |
| dgroos | Thanks. | 16:55 |
| dgroos | I'm going to install it in the chroot and rebuild it so available to the localapp. I'm pretty sure it will work. | 16:59 |
| dgroos | and to deal with can-o-worms... | 16:59 |
| dgroos | I'm going to purge 3.5 from regular root and just install shiretoko from restricted. Sound reasonable? | 16:59 |
| dgroos | be back | 17:14 |
| dgroos | alkisg: works as localapp on thin client :) Thanks for generously sharing your user.js file as well. I'll now try to customize it in english. | 18:05 |
| Meiki | Hi - could someone help me with an IP address issue that I'm having. Please look at http://pastebin.com/m575e62fd, I can bind public services to the first IP, but not to the others (*.87- onwards). | 18:07 |
| alkisg1 | dgroos: you're welcome | 18:21 |
| dgroos | alkisg1: babelfish is quite a polyglot, check this out: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpastebin.ubuntu-gr.org%2Fm318e29f6&lp=el_en&btnTrUrl=Translate | 18:36 |
| === alkisg1 is now known as alkisg | ||
| dgroos | alkisg: I'm fixing the translation as I customize it (with logic not knowledge of Greek, unfortunately) and have 2 questions: | 19:26 |
| dgroos | 1. Will the directory /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/defaults/preferences/ get overwritten when a new version number of firefox updates? | 19:28 |
| dgroos | 2. It would be fantastic if I could assign a certain user.js config file with a different group. So, all students in, 'level1' would use the most restrictive user.js, students in 'level3' would use the least restrictive user.js file. Is this possible? | 19:31 |
| mhall119 | dgroos: maybe with symlinks? | 19:37 |
| mhall119 | I assume they have separate profiles, right? | 19:37 |
| dgroos | mhall119: you mean the groups? | 19:38 |
| mhall119 | however edubuntu sets them up | 19:38 |
| dgroos | As far as I understand, the user.js file is not in a location that is specific to a user or a group, but I think you are | 19:40 |
| dgroos | saying that I could sym-link this file into an appropriate directory that would/could exist in a group's folder? | 19:41 |
| dgroos | up till now I didn't know that a group had it's own folder :) | 19:42 |
| dgroos | I'm looking for it now... | 19:42 |
| dgroos | not finding a folder for groups--not sure I get your idea. | 19:46 |
| mhall119 | I may be misunderstanding | 20:06 |
| dgroos | mhall119: thanks for trying. alkisg showed me a way to lockdown preferences for users. I create a file called, 'user.js' with all of the lockdown settings. | 20:07 |
| dgroos | and I put that in a particular location and | 20:08 |
| dgroos | it becomes the required settings for firefox. | 20:08 |
| dgroos | I would like to be able to increase the computer rights of a student as they demonstrate sufficient responsibility with computers. | 20:09 |
| dgroos | So, I'd like to have 3 versions of limits on the computer: | 20:10 |
| dgroos | level1, level2, level3. I'm doing this with sabayon. | 20:10 |
| dgroos | Sabayon doesn't do firefox prefs, however, so this is an additional layer. | 20:11 |
| dgroos | more sense? | 20:11 |
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| alkisg | dgroos: what kind of firefox settings do you want to set per group? | 20:29 |
| dgroos | alkisg: Good question. Upon closer examination there aren't any of the permissions in the preference pane that need to be specific to different responsibility-level groups. I guess I'm thinking more about whitelists and blacklists. | 20:33 |
| alkisg | Better do that with squid, not firefox. | 20:34 |
| dgroos | I'm hoping to get help w/district person on squid guard with that. | 20:34 |
| dgroos | Yes :) | 20:34 |
| alkisg | It's easy for a user to run his own version of firefox or other browser and override any settings you impose to him | 20:34 |
| alkisg | But he can't overcome a transparent proxy. | 20:34 |
| dgroos | Is there any way besides using another version of firefox from a flash drive that they could overcome the prefs I'm setting? | 20:35 |
| alkisg | They could run e.g. google chrome locally | 20:37 |
| alkisg | But other than running another browser, I don't think a non-admin can overcome the lockPrefs | 20:37 |
| dgroos | where does that program come from? can I just delete it from the server? | 20:38 |
| alkisg | What program? The other browser? They can e.g. download it from the internet | 20:39 |
| alkisg | Student: (1) runs locked down firefox, (2) goes to mozilla.com, (3) downloads firefox, (4) runs firefox locally with his own permissions | 20:39 |
| alkisg | You can't really lock that scenario. | 20:39 |
| alkisg | Unless you prohibit them from running programs, which is far fetched | 20:40 |
| dgroos | got it. Thanks for letting me know. | 20:40 |
| dgroos | The main thing really is making it non-trivial to break the rules, not impossible or even improbable. | 20:41 |
| joshiggins_ | Anyone home? | 20:42 |
| dgroos | Afternoon Josh, or that would be, Evening for you :) | 20:42 |
| joshiggins_ | Evening for me | 20:43 |
| blkdg | hi, is anyone here using edubuntu on powerpc ? | 21:31 |
| blkdg | thanks anyhow | 21:32 |
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