=== mhall1191 is now known as mhall119 [01:24] I can't add computers in iTALC on my thin client network. [01:25] nor are there any computers in the auto-detect group though 2 users are logged into thin clients. [01:26] I've used this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc to no effect though it's for Hardy, I know. [01:27] This page seems to provide even older info: http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=ITALC_in_a_ThinClient_environment [01:28] I've spent many hours on this to no avail--any help I'd greatly appreciate. [07:13] hola Edubunteros === alkisg1 is now known as alkisg [13:14] stgraber, highvoltage: around? === mhall1191 is now known as mhall119 [14:47] Good morning/afternoon alkisg: would you expound further on your lockdown method for firefox? [14:48] davidgroos: hi, did you try it and got stuck somewhere? Or should I start from the beginning? [14:48] well... :) [14:49] OK. You're using jaunty, right? [14:49] hi guys [14:49] I tried it, didn't work, did a good bit of googling, now my google search doesn't work on the firefox running as a localapp :) [14:49] Yes Jaunty [14:50] good morn LaserJock [14:50] Hi LaserJock! Could you please answer a quick question? I'd like to make a cd similar to the edubuntu add-on CD and put some proprietary greek edu apps in it. I already have them in an apt repository, but I can't find any tools that would help me create a cd from the repo... [14:51] E.g. there's an "appinstall" folder there for gnome-app-install, but I can't find *any* docs for it [14:51] alkisg: hmm, the easiest way might be to use AptOnCD [14:51] oh, you're wanting to do the same installer thing? [14:51] Yup [14:52] I'd like it to be as easy for the end user as possible. So I wouldn't want them to install aptoncd to access the contents... [14:52] hmm, there's a certain flag that gets passed to gnome-app-install [14:52] but I don't really know how that's detected in our CD [14:52] By trial and error I've seen that if I have an "ubuntu" soft link in the cd, then gnome-app-install is launched [14:52] the best person to ask is mvo in #ubuntu-devel, he's the guy that wrote gnome-app-install and the one that added that feature [14:52] But official docs? None whatsoever :( [14:53] no, no docs [14:53] code == docs in this case [14:53] Thanks! That's what I was looking for :) [14:53] Thanks man [14:53] gnome-app-install is supposed to get replaced at some point in the future [14:53] but I hope it's replacement would have a similar feature [14:54] davidgroos: I don't know about localapps, the locking method works fine for standalone PCs though. It also works in LTSP without localapps. [14:54] in the chroot (/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/firefox-3.5) there is nothing in the firefox pref file. In the regular root the pref has a few things-- [14:55] So I can help you do it outside the chroot, and then you could try to do it inside the chroot yourself. [14:55] OK can you help with stand alone and I can probably get it from there... [14:55] OK. [14:55] 'great minds...' ;) [14:56] 1) echo 'lockPref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://students.sch.gr");' | sudo tee /etc/firefox-3.0/pref/user.js [14:56] I made a user.js file [14:56] 2) That's it. [14:56] :D [14:57] Your start page should be locked after that. Restart firefox to check it out. [14:57] and used same permissions 644 as the firefox.js file... [14:58] now, I cleared out what I had put in there yesterday... [14:58] hi LaserJock [14:58] so will re-type what you put above... [14:58] Copy/paste it [14:59] highvoltage: hey! [14:59] YES! [14:59] Heh :) The home page setting should even by grayed out, completely disabled in the preferences dialog.. [15:00] davidgroos: I have a template user.js with all the firefox settings, but with greek comments. If you want I can updload it to pastebin and you can get it through google translate for the comments to be translated in english. [15:00] Awesome! Thanks! :) [15:02] davidgroos: http://pastebin.ubuntu-gr.org/m318e29f6 [15:02] They're all commented out initially, so you just uncomment/edit the ones you want. [15:03] Cool, I'm signing out of this irc client and will re-enter as ... dgroos (so I can copy-paste!) [15:03] ok [15:06] hmmm... it copied all of the line numbers--will those get in the way? [15:07] Yes. Better click here to download it as plain text: http://pastebin.ubuntu-gr.org/pastebin.php?dl=m318e29f6 [15:11] hmmm... seems to be empty? [15:13] It shouldn't be, it's ok for me. Anyway, just copy it from the previous url, but not with the line numbers. Use the box at the end of the page, this doesn't have line numbers. [15:13] cool [15:21] ok, copied it into the user.js file, noticed that you had uncommented the one line: lockPref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://students.sch.gr"); and I opened firefox-should I have logged out/in? [15:21] No, but I think you have to close firefox for the changes to take effect. [15:22] I'll try again! === calimer- is now known as calimer [15:25] hmmm... I'll delete the user.js file, would you type in that command you gave at first to create the file? I closed the irc client that had it. [15:25] (04:56:40 μμ) alkisg: 1) echo 'lockPref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://students.sch.gr");' | sudo tee /etc/firefox-3.0/pref/user.js [15:26] thanks--first, why is there now a user.js and user.js~ file? [15:26] gedit made a backup when you saved it [15:26] user.js~ is the backup? [15:26] yes [15:34] OK--works like in a charm in 3.0 however it doesn't work in 3.5. [15:36] You have 3.5 in jaunty? [15:36] yes, I figured I go with the newer firefox [15:37] OK but you should put user.js in /etc/firefox.3.5 then [15:37] * alkisg wonders how dgroos1 installed firefox 3.5... [15:38] I put it both in firefox-3.0 (as per your command) and in firefox-3.5 (by altering your script) [15:38] oh you-know, I waved my hand over the computer and it installed itself ;) [15:40] actually, there are blogs on the internet on how to do it and I did it but in the process of making it work as a localapp the guy whose helping install the server jimrockford, uninstalled and reinstalled it a few times to make it work. [15:40] and in the meantime I've forgotten--too much water over the dam... [15:40] Yes I asked because there are lots of blogs out there that advice people to add the mozilla daily ppa to their sources. That's a really bad way to install firefox. Anyway. [15:41] ... or terminal commands passing through my brain :) [15:41] Yes, did the daily thing and it was problematic. since then it is in jaunty restricted, I believe. [15:42] as of 1 week ago, I believe. [15:42] Is there a problem with that? [15:44] I don't know. [15:44] I tried with karmic 3.5, and it worked by putting user.js in /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/defaults/preferences/ [15:45] *I mean firefox 3.5 in Karmic [15:46] I'll try to put it there! so I just alter the command to make user.js install there? [15:49] Yes [15:53] strange! I've only got /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.13/ and /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.3pre/ [15:53] OK, put it in 3.5.3pre [15:54] this is strange because I'm running 3.5.1 on the server, and 3.5.2 on the localapp [15:54] dpkg -l 'firefox*' tells you the version you're running [15:55] seems like it is left over from installing from the ppa. Can I delete it and it will re-create the proper one? [15:55] I don't know. [15:55] ok i'll try [15:59] I meant, I'll try the dpkg -l 'firefox*' [15:59] so I did and got this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/257567/ seems like a bunch of stuff [16:00] So you have firefox 3.0.13 and firefox 3.5.3. [16:02] Yes and 3.5.2 running as a local app (according to the 'about mozilla firefox in the help menu--though it calls it Shiretoko) [16:03] ...because you said "(05:53:36 μμ) dgroos1: strange! I've only got /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.13/ and /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.3pre/" [16:03] You have these folders because that's the firefox version you have. [16:04] Shiretoko is the one that is in restricted, I believe. [16:05] they call it Shiretoko because they have firefox 3.0 as the official jaunty firefox and don't want to confuse brands... [16:05] but, I'm confused. [16:09] is there a pastebin for images? [16:11] imageshack? [16:27] arg... can't...upload...screenshot...anywhere [16:29] I'm rebooting client, I'll be back [16:39] alkisg: nothing like a good reboot. Here are links showing the 'about' screens, do they not give accurate info?: http://yfrog.com/0kscreenshotaboutshiretokp and http://yfrog.com/2iscreenshotaboutmozillafp [16:40] dgroos: that's the local app firefox. dpkg -l 'firefox*' showed you the server firefox. [16:41] The second screenshot though says 3.5.1, and you don't have 3.5.1 (according to dpkg -l). [16:42] dgroos: did you try to put it in /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.3pre ? [16:44] no--got sidetracked, will do now. [16:54] Works! :) [16:55] Thanks. [16:59] I'm going to install it in the chroot and rebuild it so available to the localapp. I'm pretty sure it will work. [16:59] and to deal with can-o-worms... [16:59] I'm going to purge 3.5 from regular root and just install shiretoko from restricted. Sound reasonable? [17:14] be back [18:05] alkisg: works as localapp on thin client :) Thanks for generously sharing your user.js file as well. I'll now try to customize it in english. [18:07] Hi - could someone help me with an IP address issue that I'm having. Please look at http://pastebin.com/m575e62fd, I can bind public services to the first IP, but not to the others (*.87- onwards). [18:21] dgroos: you're welcome [18:36] alkisg1: babelfish is quite a polyglot, check this out: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpastebin.ubuntu-gr.org%2Fm318e29f6&lp=el_en&btnTrUrl=Translate === alkisg1 is now known as alkisg [19:26] alkisg: I'm fixing the translation as I customize it (with logic not knowledge of Greek, unfortunately) and have 2 questions: [19:28] 1. Will the directory /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.2/defaults/preferences/ get overwritten when a new version number of firefox updates? [19:31] 2. It would be fantastic if I could assign a certain user.js config file with a different group. So, all students in, 'level1' would use the most restrictive user.js, students in 'level3' would use the least restrictive user.js file. Is this possible? [19:37] dgroos: maybe with symlinks? [19:37] I assume they have separate profiles, right? [19:38] mhall119: you mean the groups? [19:38] however edubuntu sets them up [19:40] As far as I understand, the user.js file is not in a location that is specific to a user or a group, but I think you are [19:41] saying that I could sym-link this file into an appropriate directory that would/could exist in a group's folder? [19:42] up till now I didn't know that a group had it's own folder :) [19:42] I'm looking for it now... [19:46] not finding a folder for groups--not sure I get your idea. [20:06] I may be misunderstanding [20:07] mhall119: thanks for trying. alkisg showed me a way to lockdown preferences for users. I create a file called, 'user.js' with all of the lockdown settings. [20:08] and I put that in a particular location and [20:08] it becomes the required settings for firefox. [20:09] I would like to be able to increase the computer rights of a student as they demonstrate sufficient responsibility with computers. [20:10] So, I'd like to have 3 versions of limits on the computer: [20:10] level1, level2, level3. I'm doing this with sabayon. [20:11] Sabayon doesn't do firefox prefs, however, so this is an additional layer. [20:11] more sense? === |Baby| is now known as Baby [20:29] dgroos: what kind of firefox settings do you want to set per group? [20:33] alkisg: Good question. Upon closer examination there aren't any of the permissions in the preference pane that need to be specific to different responsibility-level groups. I guess I'm thinking more about whitelists and blacklists. [20:34] Better do that with squid, not firefox. [20:34] I'm hoping to get help w/district person on squid guard with that. [20:34] Yes :) [20:34] It's easy for a user to run his own version of firefox or other browser and override any settings you impose to him [20:34] But he can't overcome a transparent proxy. [20:35] Is there any way besides using another version of firefox from a flash drive that they could overcome the prefs I'm setting? [20:37] They could run e.g. google chrome locally [20:37] But other than running another browser, I don't think a non-admin can overcome the lockPrefs [20:38] where does that program come from? can I just delete it from the server? [20:39] What program? The other browser? They can e.g. download it from the internet [20:39] Student: (1) runs locked down firefox, (2) goes to mozilla.com, (3) downloads firefox, (4) runs firefox locally with his own permissions [20:39] You can't really lock that scenario. [20:40] Unless you prohibit them from running programs, which is far fetched [20:40] got it. Thanks for letting me know. [20:41] The main thing really is making it non-trivial to break the rules, not impossible or even improbable. [20:42] Anyone home? [20:42] Afternoon Josh, or that would be, Evening for you :) [20:43] Evening for me [21:31] hi, is anyone here using edubuntu on powerpc ? [21:32] thanks anyhow